>RWD is just a meme edition
A thread for our beloved econobox pocket rockets. Talk experiences, ask for advice and questions and generally shitpost about the Fiesta ST.
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Which would you buy for £30K? 86 or FK2?
>What is a "Hot Hatch"?
A Hot Hatch is a manufacturer produced, performance oriented variant of a standard hatchback, designed for improved handling, increased top speed, acceleration and generally enhance the driving experience.
>Are all Hot Hatches FWD?
No. Whilst most Hot Hatches are FWD, some are AWD or even RWD.
>Isn't FWD shit?
No. Just because you can't get the arse out by stamping on the accelerator doesn't mean you can't have fun.
>Aren't Hot Hatches just for Europoors?
No; with the launch of the Fiesta and Focus ST in the US, it seems like the Hot Hatch is beginning to take of on the other side of the Atlantic, but Europoors definitely have more choice.
>Is the Fiesta ST actually good?
The Fiesta ST is one of the best small hot hatches on offer at the minute; so yeah they're pretty good.
>>14440250
>Which would you buy for £30K? 86 or FK2?
Out of those two? FK2, but only because the 86 sucks.
I'd rather get a Peugeot 205 GTI, an S13 and an AWD Volvo 850 estate and have a good selection of all drivetrains with money left over to put into them.
>>14440288
I think automotive industry really needs new player. Demand on used cars is strong, so I think:
>Used Motors Corporation
Lineup: ae86, miata na, s13, foxbody, passat b5 tdi
[] I'm this close from jumping to a '95 phase 1 106 xsi in my area, has some modifications that I plan to restore to original condition. Anything I should be aware of?
Uncontrollable 20k shitbox Torque Steer General.
>>14440360
Rear torsion beam.
If you're planning to crash it, roll cage because that car is a deathbox.
>>14440384
>roll cage
As much as I'd like to, this is Portugal. Literally everything outside factory settings is illegal without paying heavy legalizing sums (I'm talking something like twice this car's value).
>>14440334
UMC better sell them for a couple grand each, because that's one of the few reasons I'd buy a bunch of older used cars.
>>14440360
pretty good, cant remember if the xsi has the 1.6 sohc but dont get one with the smaller engines, they're shite. unless its the 1.3 rallyee. this is back when france made reaosnable reliable cars, but when they start dying it all happends at once
>>14440409
Torsion beams tend to wear and you have to replace whole unit. In poland there are shops who regenerate them by replacing all bars and bushings, but dunno about western europe.
Also rustproofing on these pugs was really great.
>>14440419
It's a late spec, so it uses the rallye's 1.3.
Biggest worry is a large gash on the passenger seat, oh and while the mods are small, neither of them is tasteful. Going to be restored save for minor details here and here, as it will be a semi-daily with an occasional funride in mind. Definitely not boyracing it, this chassis handles corners very well, but not going 200+. Fags in civics and ibiza tdi's will certainly be an annoyance though.
>>14440423
Yeah I think I remember some talk about the torsion beam. As long as it's little more than bushings I don't see much of a problem in replacing them.
What I do remember is head gasket issues with the earlier 1.4 engines, but IIRC it was fixed by using the rallye's engine afterwards.
>>14440250
Breaking news! Car with over 300hp is faster than car with 200hp!
>>14440250
*yawn*
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=civic+crash+compilation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGljFQUWLzw
If RWD is a meme, why is it we see some shitvic owners convert them to RWD but we never see a, S-chassis, or any RWD cars converted to cuck wheel drive?
>>14440637
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=civic+rwd+conversion
>>14440630
>Almost double the power
>One tenth faster
Expected a lot more to be quite honest famiglia
>>14440641
>>14440637
>>14440634
>>14440630
nice to see you are still fully triggered
you forgot your tripcode tho
>>14440627
Except the point being made is that brand new both cars cost near enough the same. The Civic is faster round a track, faster in a straight line, more efficient, cheaper to run and much more practical. Why would you even buy RWD except to pander to the meme?
>>14440630
>Vastly more expensive than the Civic, way less practical, way less economical, not that much faster
>>14440634
What is practicality. And really not much cheaper mileage for mileage. Probably less economical somehow.
>>14440637
>Vastly more expensive, much less economical, much less practical, much more expensive to keep on the road.
>>14440641
Much less economical, less practical, more expensive.
>Implying everything is just about speed.
When will you guys stop pandering to the meme? Your money will always be better spent on FWD.
What do people think of the Yaris SR 1.8? They're a bit cheaper than Twingo 133s, so I'm not sure what to go for. Would look at the Swift Sport, but I've been told I'm not allowed one because reasons.
>>14440875
It's a Yaris, it's boring.
Swift Sport would be the most fun option, why aren't you allowed one?
>>14440882
It's a complicated story that involves a woman.
Might try and find a Yaris to test drive. Don't mind boring looks if it's a good drive. Otherwise, I'll be getting a Twingo. Isn't really much else around for <£3000 that isn't a chav-tastic shitbox.
>>14440896
Oh, it's your mother.
>>14440921
It's not actually. My mum has 0 influence on my car choice.
Tfw the only hot hatch here are velosturd.
>>14440979
That's as hot as ice water.
Is it just me or do hot hatches seem out of place on American roads?
>>14440999
Yes because almost everyone is fat and they barely fit
Someone talk me out of buying a Golf GTI Mk2
>>14441262
Nah man, do it. VWs from that era are still reliable enough, and they're no harder to work on than other cars from that time.
>>14441252
>"GOTTA HAVE A TRUCK BOY, UNLESS YAR SUM FRUITY EURO QUEER"
>>14441262
>VW
Considered buying a 207 GTI, but found out it's the same 1.6T from the Cooper S that's prone to destroying itself.
Fit Type R when
>>14440637
>57 + 214 = 270
>>14441686
Kek didn't notice that
I know that shitposter site was bad, but that's just sad
>>14441583
Probably never desu.
>>14440250
>>14440630
>>14440634
>>14440641
>>14440637
>>14440665
Bench racing cucks. Afraid of superior 1WD
>>14441750
>having driven wheels at all
>not only driving downhill
Plebs, all of you.
>>14440376
>he can't handle torque steer
Git gud
>>14440376
this car, as well as a citroen CX, XM and BX4TC absolutely can not have any torque steer no matter how much power you put in the wheels (look up DIRAVI). Not that torque steer is even bad on difficult to deal with; I mean, if even 60's GM could do it, you only can't if your not trying.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tVilgrKwS0
>>14440250
Can my shitbox taken on my potato camera join the circle jerk?
>>14440951
Spill the beans bro, we are on a Sudanese ISIS tween-age child soldier recruitment community blackboard.
Totally anonymous.
If you need a replacement zonda dashboard...
Active suspension for the win. even if in some of these cars it's a bit shabby.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0EtQNufzTw
Does this count?
>> technically a hatch
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>>14448001
Would this count too, then?
>>14448492
Technically they are hatches too. I think a more precise term is fastback?
>>14440479
>>14440438
Ok went to check the 106, and the deal is off. The dealership told me the mark I saw in the hood's photo was a "small scratch". When I checked in person, it was more than a scratch.
They used silicon rubber to hide a literal puncture through the hood's. Closely, it looked like a small caliber bullet hole. Didn't even bother checking the rest of the car.
R8 mine senpaitachi
>>14448500
Liftback
>>14444591
edgy
>>14450671
That's a golf, dude
>>14440376
>can't handle torque steer
Women or 18yr old confirmed. Gut goud
>>14450833
Le epin
oh look its the poorfag cuck thread
>>14450671
Those wheels are uglier than the stock ones.
>>14450898
Yeah, they are winter wheels and I was able to get them very cheaply.
The ones I wanted weren't in stock.
>>14444645
Ahh well, TL;DR, GF left me because I was being a massive cunt. Want her back, she won't let me have a Swift because she wants one. Care more about her than I do about my car.
This board is getting really autistic
>>14453544
>Your gf is not the car
Gtfo of /o/ and never return
>>14453544
>Care more about her than I do about my car.
You can drift RWD
You can't drift FWD
>>14453891
i'm replying to bait right now
https://youtu.be/OX9kW1bYrfI
>>14453901
That video itself is bait, they are running basically trays on the back wheels.
RWD cars don't need trays on the rearwheels nor handbraking to drift
When is the next Type R coming to America
>>14453911
they also don't need handbrake to drift.
>they are running basically trays on the back wheels.
i don't see the problem, they are still drifting.
>>14453964
Except that's fake as fuck. Why buy expensive fake wheels when you can just put trays OR you could buy a cheap RWD car instead.
>>14453985
so you can keep your car and your car street legal.
>>14453995
I doubt those fake trays are anymore street legal than real trays
How do you even control the rear end when there's no power going there? They're just swinging it into a slide and that's it, I doubt you can keep a slide going in a FWD
>>14454003
>I doubt you can keep a slide going in a FWD
but they did exactly that.
did you even watch the video?
DO YOU EVEN KNOW HOW TO DRIVE A CAR?
fuck off, Corey.
>>14454069
I do know how to drive a car and I stopped watching the video when I realized they had trays on the wheels.
Let's take a Type R Civic or whatever the fuck and a Roush or whatever the fuck, let's see which one can drift and which one can't right from the factory.
>>14453891
no
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBYSl3dD-UQ
>>14454130
I've had that happen in my FWD car too, wouldn't call it proper drifting though
https://youtu.be/LH_1c8zR-Sk?t=27s
>>14440634
>Starts to skid and oversteer
>Doesn't countersteer and lets off the power
Why go on a track if you don't know what to do at the limit.
>>14454081
> muh no mawds allowed
>>14454167
Well, it's kinda pathetic if you have to do that kind of stupid shit only to get it sideways, when you could just buy a car that goes sideways from the get go.
>>14454170
true, who the fuck mods cars for drifting lol?!?!
>>14454175
There's a difference between straight up performance increases and then just simply running completely bald scrap tires on your rear so that you can 'drift'.
You're effectively doing the same as running with a handbrake on through different means.
It's fine to do either as a means of learning.
>>14454175
Well, you can mod an RWD for more power, thus easier drifting and shit like that, but I've never had any problems getting my RWD cars sideways, even my Benz with barely 80hp goes sideways in the summer too if need be.
>>14454186
well you can also get a 60 hp corsa sideways without mods in the summer.
>>14454182
>running with a handbrake
except you're not.
you can keep on powering the car and accelerating and not going slower (what you'd have to do with a handbrake, since it brakes obviously) while wiht the tires you don't slow down
>>14440250
>not awd
we at subarux.com all laughing
>>14454190
You will never get the car fast though because its inherently unstable
>60hp corsa sideways
Funnily enough I drove one of those and it is not a nice car to get going sideways, it's unstable and I could only do it because one of the rear tires was basically scrap.
>>14454195
>it is not a nice car to get going sideways
but it is fucking easy to control
>>14454209
I don't know about you familia, I had a Corsa C not a modern shitheap like that one - which all have ESP so good luck sliding one of those safely.
Car has poor suspension imho and is massively biased towards understeer rather than over.
>>14454227
>is massively biased towards understeer
that's true, but the corsa D is more modern than the corsa C m8 so I don't get what you is saying.
still easy with jamdbreake lamooo
>>14454253
Corsa D is slower and has the required safety functions built in as standard (Stability control)
Corsa C is faster at the same displacement, lighter and more controllable.
>>14454263
ahh now I get it, I thought you meant that the Corsa C was harder to slide because of that it is more modern lel
the base model corsa doesn't even have a radio, that thing is absolute shit so I don't feel bad for raping it, it does actually not even make shit when sliding it with the handbrake, so far nothing uncontrollable has happened.
actually doing slides with that shit every drive i take. so every day.
>>14454300
I was talking about drifting it without using the handbrake
>Doing handbrake turns in me mams corsa innit bruv
>should call me english tsuchiya mayte
>this driftin business is easy in a fwd guvner.
top kek
>>14454310
>tfw not even british
le born in le wrong country
if you were talking bout lift off oversteer or scandinavian flick than you are right, you can forget that with this car
I'd say that it is actually more easy in FWD with these easy drift thing tires at least, because you can just keep on goin forward even if you spin because you just have to point wheels into the direction you want to go an press da gas peda
>>14454322
None of these things are drifting though, this is like the stuff you train on to git gud at drifting - if that.
I'm using british talk because a Corsa is the gold standard car for scummy teenagers on British council estates that mod them out with fartcannon exhausts and rip handbrake turns around Tesco's every night.
>>14454337
>with fartcannon exhausts and rip handbrake turns around Tesco's every night
that's exactly what we're also doing
only that we're about 6 jounglings (20-26 years old)
shit's fun, you should try it.
it's even more fun when you have to U turn and you just go full throttle and then rip the handbrake in the middle of the road to do a 180 and go into the other direction with smoking tires
>>14454357
Not dorifto though.
>When you take your Clio RS into Manchester on a Saturday night and have rev battles with supercars
I'm gonna miss her when she's gone.
>>14454337
you're a moron if you think FWD can't drift
is rwd really meme i need proof
Drivetrain really doesn't matter much. I'll admit that FWD is at a disadvantage once you start getting up to around 400+whp, and it is inferior when used in professional racing.
However, having owned two rwd cars (G35 coupe and NA miata) and now owning a FWD 2012 Civic Si. I can assure you it is just as fast and fun on side streets, and touges, Honestly the G35 coupe understeered way more than my Si. After some modding this car handles fantastically.
