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I have $6-7k CAD (the shit currency) to spend on an suv and I'm leaning towards 4th gen 4runners
>dat 2uz v8
>kinda a land cruiser prado
>Toyota reliability
>ignore the timing belt/cracked dash & manifold issues
Is there anything better under $7k CAD ($5k USD) that's as capable or better offroad?
also offroad general I guess
Where my offroad bois at?
>>14420858
Buy a Land Cruiser.
>>14421600
there are literally 3 in my area and they are all twice the price of a 4runner (14,000+) with more km while being 12 years older.
>>14421613
Canada sucks shit. 3rd generation Monteros around you? If not, I guess the Prado is your only option.
>>14420858
>4Runner
>IFS for offroading
>>14421626
Go away.
>>14421631
>Thinks he can do any actual offroading in a piece of shit with IFS
Just admit it's gonna be nothing more than a mall crawler.
>>14421644
Yea we admit it, go away now.
>>14421644
i don't know shit about offroading and I don't plan on buying anything for months, really don't want a mall crawler in the end though
>>14421617
There actually are a few for around the same price as a 4runner
>>14421689
>i don't know shit about offroading
>wants something with IFS
It shows.
>>14421657
Go get your 4Runner stuck on a rock.
>>14421689
Go check them out, then. They're Land Cruiser competitors with a lot of nice features.
Well, what kind of off roading are you looking to do OP? Overlanding, rock crawling, mud runs.
>>14421644
I've seen some IFS vehicles do pretty good off road with a competent driver. Git out with your shitposting.
>>14421626
You're a retarded shitposter. Fuck off
>>14421827
>>14421787
>IFS
How embarrassing.
Try getting a montero of the same year. How much do they cost there?
>>14421839
>>14421787
is IFS really that bad? I don't plan on rock crawling probably just overlanding and mud shit.
>>14423724
between $5,000 and $14,000, I will look into them thanks
>rear main on xj
>watch a few yt vids to make sure do things right
>seems easy enough, whatcouldgowrong.gif
>4 hours in
>having to drop the front axle just to get the pan out
>finally get the lil fucktard of that upper part of the seal out
>get the old one in without even having to use the shoehorn
>aww yiss smooth sailing from here on
>fucking nope.exe
>lose the 2 main rear cap bolts for a whole hour
>finally find them, go to put everything back together
>where the fuck is my rtv
>got dark, went back in
fml
boss aint gonna be happy tomorrow, oh well
>>14424411
You fucked up man lol. But you'll learn to put every single little fucking bolt, nut, washer, snapring in a ziplock bag. Because fuck looking around for 2 hours to find the lockwasher that fell in the driveway crack.
>>14424440
Thank wrenchin jeebus I got an actual parking lot thats not half bad at this apt complex. Wanna throw a crescent wrench at the lil fuckhead college kit neighbor who thinks saying "it fixed yet?" every other hour tho.
Of all vids I watched, none of them said they had any issue with the front axle. Fucking misleading niggers I swear
>>14420858
Plain and simple if your gonna rock crawl IFS is out of the question. CVs break, I know this because I watch a friend with 33s on his taco and a front locker. Its a guaranteed to blow a CV.
Anyhow if you're just gonna overland or mild offroading then IFS is fine. But crawling rocks requires a solid axle for starters, then eventually lockers.
>>14424257
Pajeros were actually better than land cruisers and dicoverys for a long time. Land cruiser only caught up recently with the introduction of the new land cruiser, while the pajero development stagnated.
>>14424257
The ONLY thing IFS is bad for is rock crawling.
Which only drunken retarded rednecks enjoy.
>>14424472
Ahahahaha well I'm a college student and do quite a bit of work on my XJ and YJ in my parking lot. Seals can be a bitch to do, if I'm gonna do a major project like engine or suspension work I will go steal a friends drive way for the weekend.
>>14424480
>rock crawling is for rednecks
>>14424486
new in town, no friends yet. At least all I have to do is get it together before noon tomorrow, should be able to now that I have all the bolts and everythings cleaned up
>>14420858
Shit nigga where u located with 4runners so cheap
>edmonton checking in
>>14424475
which land cruiser are you referring to?
>>14424519
My way of making friends in my college town was to join the local offroading clubs. Lots of help and advice.
Might be a bit tight budget wise, especially if that money includes maintenance and modifications. I recently walked away from a very clean 2 owner 115k mile '03 V8 Sport in a awesome jade green. The reason? Udnerbody rust. The bodies hold up great on these, but the frame and suspension and fuel/brake lines were gnarly on this thing. Seeing as that you're in Canada, I'd make this my utmost priority in terms of the search for the right truck. 4th gens with the V8 really don't have any weak spots as they age except for rusty brake calipers, but rust in general makes working on it a nightmare, and stuff like brake lines is expensive to replace unless you do it yourself.
I'd recommend a third gen 4Runner with your budget, or even steer you towards a Mitsubishi Montero Sport. $4500 should buy a decent early (96-98) 3rd gen, maybe even a Limited with the factory rear locker. The same money will buy a nicer/newer Mitsubishi, although the mitsus simply don't hold up quite as nicely over time and are more prone to some engine oil leaks and valve stem wear (nothing too scary).
I bought my rust free '96 Limited with 99k miles for $6350 3 years ago and it's definitely in rare condition for the year. It STILL took about $1500 to totally catch it up on maintenance and refresh the brakes/suspension. Awesome truck though. Stock, it has better clearance and angles than a 4th gen, and mine has the factory locker which is awesome. I highly recommend it. 20 mpg consistently in mostly highway driving, the 5VZfE isn't a powerhouse but it makes good low end torque and is as reliable and long lived as the sun.
Just get a fucking suburban they make them there for a reason ffs it's like Canada's national vehicle
>>14424615
Trying to, all the groups I've found so far is nothing but mall cruisers.
Why have a jeep, lift it, but big ass tires on it, dump money into it with suspension, rhino lining, fender cutting, all that bs if they never even let it get dirty? Dumbest crap ever
>>14420858
4 runners and LC are great SUVs but im going to be the devils advocate here for a minuet.
Im sure there is about to be a shit storm of hate and people spouting exploder memes for me saying this but. . . .
gen 1 explorer.
Not the 4 door autos that explode.
But the two door 5 speed versions.
My sister had one and that som-bitch went EVERYWHERE in snowy downtown Seattle, AKA Hill city that shuts down over and inch or two of snow.
Just a thought to toy in your head if you wanted to get something other than a toyota.
>>14424786
To play devils advocate with you I got 10 inches of snow 3 weeks ago. My XJ did just fine. I just laughed at all the poor fucks in rwd and fwd only vehicles. Last week we got another 6 inches. Life is good in the XJ with the NP231.
>>14424732
It's not a bad platform with the 5.3 vortec that really does work. The only probably being its fucking huge and aftermarket support is meh.
>>14424778
It comes with the territory I suppose. Everyone I hangout with works on there shit and runs there shit. Not that take it to the shop and dump money into it. Last weekend I rebuilt a NP231 tcase and did an SYE on it while installing metalcloak control arms.
>>14424833
problem*
>>14424585
Not who you replied too, but pure offroad wise, id say by the 150/200lc.
>>14420858
>CAD
call af duty
>>14424480
nigga preese
>>14424786
Emi is my waifu
XJs my friend, aftermarket parts are cheap af so are tires. OP where are you located roughly? wouldnt happen to be in BC?
>>14425343
You know whats good senpai.
>>14425343
if you're considering an xj, check the underside carefully for rust.
>>14424257
what about montero sports?
TFW never knew what IFS was.
TFW impulse bought a WJ.
TFW made the best decision.
Interior quality shits on anything comparable, 4.7 HO was the fastest SUV of the year. Selec Trac and even QD (when maintained) is fucking based.
I don't know why /o/ likes to shit on the WJ. If you find a decent one, you're not losing out on buying it. Literally haven't found anything bad about mine yet.
>>14424585
The heavy duty LC, not the 70.
>>14426650
>D44
>D30
>4.7 drops valve seats
>General Jeep build quality
Found a few bad things right there senpai.
>>14426195
They're fine, as good as a 4Runner. They're related to the Triton pickup truck.
There is a recall on the cracking dashes if that makes a difference.
>>14424472
Probably had a lift installed on the yt one
>>14426688
Yeah I think they don't nearly get the respect they deserve. Optional locking rear diff, good geometry, massive freaking rear diff, like a 9.5 inch carrier. I feel like they give up a bit in overall build quality and reliability to the 3rd gen 4runner, but when they can be bought for less than half price compared to a similar year 4runner, having to do a bit of fiddly work like valve cover gaskets is no big deal. Stick with a later truck with the 3.5 to get some good power, the earlier 3.0 is probably okay with a stick shift but somewhat sluggish with an automatic. Older ones still had leaf springs, I think 99 or 00 and up got coils out back. Not as much aftermarket as Toyota's here in the states but thats part of the fun, lift kits and forums for write ups are out there.
>>14426683
The 44a and 30 can handle 35s just fine and limited at 37s. The engine is actually good, I know 3 guy that have built there rigs around the WJ and they are so fucking sick when crawling. Also they do fine on the highway.
>>14426895
The 3.0 or as a friend calls it the 3.slow, its an okay engine. Seriously lacks in power and once you put 33s on it you will suffer trying to get up to speed bad and even further well its just not a good idea.
>>14424584
>>14425343
I'm around Toronto, the cheapest 4th gen I've seen is $4k and most expensive is $13kish, seems like they cost more in other areas for some reason. There aren't may for sale though. I was considering an xj for a bit but I keep hearing contradictory things about reliability, buy they are waay cheaper
>>14427227
NO IT ISNT
seriously 1 fucking google will tell you what a peice of shit the 3.0 is. you couldnt pay me to own one, especially considering the 3.4 is worlds better in every single aspect
>>14427938
eastcost so yes like >>14426000 said, look for rust because thats the biggest plague in XJs. are you good with your own maintenance and wrench savvy? if so then you wont have a problem. This is coming from a JK owner, you wont go wrong with a XJ, you got the space to pack alot of shit in it and its very offroad capable plus the perk of a front solid axle you will fall in love with rock crawling.
>>14427960
Uhhh If you reread what I said once you put anything above stock it really suffers. Its an okay engine. It runs and can last a long time. It doesnt wear out its lower end like the 3.4. The friend I was refering to has 236k miles on and never blew a head gasket or had to do engine work on it.
Its not a failure of an engine but the 3.4 is a great improvement. But its on the same level of the I6 power wise, yet the I6 will go twice the distance as the 3.4.
>>14428006
3.4s go through bottom ends????? since when? i've literally never heard of one doing that and im around toyotas. never had a 3.0 that didnt shit the bed in under 200k. 236k is really not anything to brag about. i know at least half a dozen people with 3.4s that have 350k+ with no engine work beyond valve cover gaskets and intake cleaning
>>14427938
Your biggest fear will be rust being where you are.
The I6 is a super reliable engine, my I6 has 235k miles on it and has never been rebuilt or overheated.
The AW4 automatic transmission is very reliable and can take a beating. Often people put an aux cooler in for it.
The AX-15 manual transmission has a good first gear (3.83) and will take wear nicely. The AX-15 is the same trans as the R150F used in toyota trucks.
The NP231 transfercase is 2HI/4HI/N/4LO. You can shift to 4hi on the fly and with ease. Its a pretty stout case and will take a good bashing. The lo ration is 2.72:1 which is better than older toyota trucks (2.57:1).
The Dana 30 front axle can handle up to 37 inch tires before it will break. Look at finding one with the high pinion. As it way better when lifting to adjust pinion angle.
The Dana 35 rear axle. Well to be honest its a shit axle can only go up to 33s. 1987-1996 used the D35.
Chrysler 8.25 rear axle is superior axle and can be found on 97+ year XJ. It can handle up to 35s.
Those are the facts, I'll let you decide for yourself. If you have anymore questions I can answer them.
>>14428031
Yeah had a friend kill not one but two 3.4s that had about 140k miles on it. The bottom end I guess just gave up on life.
>3.0 shit the bed under 200k miles
>engine goes beyond 200k miles and still doesnt shit the bed
>looks like there is something to brag about
>>14428059
>Dana 30 front axle can handle up to 37 inch
Dude what? You're literally the first person I've ever heard that from, source?
I put a D44 on the front and a Ford 9" on the back of my XJ with 35s
>>14428116
I wouldnt recommend it. Thats the danger zone. That said I've watched someone skinny pedal a d30 with 36.5 inch M/Ts (37s) up rocks. Also watched another put 35s on a D35. Lets just say I was very concerned for the axle shafts. But thats why we all carry spares; like 2 for the front and 2 for the back. A D44 in the front is optimal for anything 35s and over. I like the Ferd 9inch, but would rather put a D60 in the back.
>>14428139
Fair enough. Gotta make some changes to my rig, you going to be around for a bit? I want to bounce some Ideas off you
>>14428159
Only for today. I leave for a wheeling trip in the morning. Gotta test the sye, control arms, front suspension, and rebuilt internals of the 231 I did over the last few weekends.
If the thread is still alive next monday I can report back or you can start a new thread and I'll look in for it.
The V8's sucked, they were prone to manifold issues, got TERRIBLE gas mileage, and had a fucked sulfur smell that no one in human history can identify.
Get a newer one with a V6.
I'd say get an FJ Cruiser, but those are still 3-4x more expensive than what you can afford.
>tfw 243,000km on a 2008 FJ with offroad pack
>tfw one single issue with it ever
>piece of transmission line corroded
>replaced with piece of rubber hose and some clamps
>$13 fix
>literally zero other problems
>oh, and still has original factory Panasonic battery
Shame they stopped selling them in North America, now they're gonna be selling for "I know what I got" prices.
>>14428193
I'll try to make it brief. I have 35" Krawlers on my rig now, awesome tires but they're shit on road, and my spool just chews them up. What do you think of KM2s? I'm primarily in mud/rocky terrain, but I need a tire that can handle pavement (i drive my rig to meets, 2-3, hours on-road time). And can you recommend me a light bar? There are just way too many options
>>14420858
What? can't get a wrangler in canuckada
>>14428209
Also should be noted that V8's have a timing belt, not a chain. People have experienced premature wear on the belts, and it's an INTERFERENCE engine.
Some people have great luck, others suffer $1000's in damage. I'd look for something with a chain, I know the 4.0L in the FJ has a chain.
Fuck just take out a loan or something OP, buy an FJ.
>>14426688
No.
Sports are unreliable trash
>>14428225
Canadians aren't as stupid as Americans, people who actually use their vehicles off-road in Canada use Toyotas.
Failing that, you see a ton of heavily modded little Suzukis and the odd frankenstein XJ.
Wranglers are for fucking roadqueens.
>>14428216
KM2s have a finicky side wall last run I did I watched a bronco rip the sidewall at the beginning of the course. Same bronco 2 hours later rolled the bead so we had to refit it. Besides that on 2 other occasions I've been on runs and the tore their sidewalls. I guess its a thing with them. Mud tires I've had luck with Goodyear MTRs and Toyo Open Country M/Ts. Always get certs, those fuckers pay off so much.
Light bars I cant even recommend to much, I just buy them off guys that I run with. The market is really over saturated with. Theres some cheap chinabars on amazon that are 52'' and curved with spot and flood options.
>>14428231
I'm a university student, I want to pay for something in cash and as much as i like fjs they are out of my range. I know about the 100k mile timing belt issues and rare manifold cracks (was in op). Gas mileage is better than a 3rd gen with a smaller engine though, how does it suck? Are they not rated at the same mpg as fj's?
>>14428059
Thanks for the info, are WJ's worse than XJs? Why are they worth nothing now?
>>14428244
JKs and JKUs when built can do a lot. I've seen JKUs with the curries 60 and 35s just demolish obstacles. JKs are limited to 37 inch tires as the COG gets to high and will risk being too tippy. If you wanna run large tires one needs to get the 4 door for added stability.
>>14428244
Mines a 91 I'm not about the Jks and soccer moms
>>14428283
I'll tell you what, the WJ has a stronger unibody and more safety features but weigh a lot. If you wanna end up building a WJ it will cost a lot more because there are not a lot of suppliers for aftermarket stuff. Theres also the issue that you will have to end up making a beefy 242 or 231 tcase as the 249 and 247 really wear out on trails and will die fast if you put them to work. The 4.7 in the WJ put out a lot of power for what it is but at the price of having reduced reliability when compared to the I6.
In all they cost more to modify and to build. But they also look fucking sweet and watching a WJ flex over rocks and have like 3 feet of travel in the rear is very very appealing.
>>14426675
The 70 is the "HD" one.
Ever since the 70 everything after has been a soft roader. And that started with the 70 Prado which was a light duty 70 and the prado went it's own way as a capable pleb mobile and all the others softened up to compete with Range Rovers.
The 70 stayed similar to how it was and has been constantly been purchased by red cross and mining companies for the reason that they are significantly better than anything else on the market for real world work or offroading rather than special situation rock buggying or feeling comfy while your wife cucks you in the back of your 200 with your buddies.
>>14427960
We have hundreds of 3.0's here and they run up and down mountains all day long.
I like how all these offroaders quote
>my vehicle went 200,000 miles with no issues so it must be good
If they were really offroaded they'd all be shit heaps right now. I have a 1998 Frontier KA24 that has not even ticked over 80,000 miles but I drive it every day for hours and the thing is on it's last breath. I have rebuild the whole suspension twice, the body is pure patchwork, it has a newer 2006 H233B becuase the other diff is all twisted up after being dropped on a rock and ripped off sliding down a construction road, welded on leaf mounts because the rear end took them along for the ride, body work is swiss cheese, frame is surprisingly OK, I only need a single head light so thats all she has, one wiper, no mirrors, engine I haven't serviced in years as the head has been going since 2011.
When you actually offroad something you don't rake up any sort of mileage in quick time. So anyone who can quote how reliable an offroad vehicle is cannot exclaim how many miles of road traveled before any issues appear because that has nothing to do with a good offroader or even reliability in a totally different environment. Where the hell do you find road salt out on the bush?
>>14428407
When we speak about mileage we are speaking about the drive train components. And you can and will rack up the miles. My trip tomorrow is 400 miles one way. I also daily drive my rig, so theres plenty of use. I dont have a trailer queen like others. However I watch people with trailer queens destroy their rigs because they about half the time zero patience and foot down throttle mentality.
Also no one seriously buys a brand new vehicle to do trails on so buying a vehicle with 150k already on it is pretty normal. Then driving and wheeling it. You can clock up the miles pretty quick. I do about 14-17k miles a year over 5-6 years that 150k becomes about 230k miles.
Body damage is nothing though because I can pop out dents, build armor, or cut n weld.
Also you have an I4 Nissan engine. I wouldnt be surprised at it dying trying to wheel it. But I think theres a bigger problem with your engine that is causing it to slowly die. I've only had to rebuild a suspension 3 times on my 96 XJ. Factory, then 3 inch, then 6 inch. Factory was the only thing that actually needed to get replaced so I have a feeling its the quality of parts.
Also as a soil scientist theres quiet a bit of salt in the soil where I am so mud will eat the body and frame. Also whenever it rains its nasty.
>>14427960
6G72, not 3VZ.
>>14428243
Wrong
>>14428356
Okay, the 'luxury' LC, then. Happy? No one cares about your opinion about how the only 'real' LC is the 70. It's nonsense. It's purchased by companies because it's fucking cheap and comes in a pickup version.
>>14428494
Right so the majority of those miles of yours are on road
Also saying an i4 Nissan engine while die when wheeled. How do I manage to get by going 18 years off road where in my on road average is 20 kmh in my hiace and that is "open road" to me. I probably run 5 km/h in the frontier and that is fighting terrain all the time.
Your 14k a year is not 14 k of wheeling that is for sure
>>14428704
And that is what makes it so good.
What is the point of high expenditure for the same or less of a result?
>>14429491
>What is the point of high expenditure for the same or less of a result?
Probably what the rest of your money gets you, nice shit.
>>14429533
>sending nice shit into the bush
Come on.
>>14428244
you best be talking bout older toyotas before they went IFS.
>Wranglers are for fucking roadqueens
uhh no.
>>14428356
I don't know what I'm talking about, the post.
>>14429577
>being poor enough to care
Come on.
>>14429366
14k like 80/20. I cant see an I4 pushing 33s or 35s upto highway speed and not suffering then being able to hold probably 3k rpms when crawling.
Anyhow I'm off. I have to fuel up and strap down everything and hit the shit.
>>14424257
what gen monteros?
Here to second that monteros are great for offroading. Tough as all fuck when it comes to taking a beating.
>>14427938
I see. West coast trucks are more expensive due to smaller market and no rust.
>>14424480
>The ONLY thing IFS is bad for is rock crawling.
>Which only drunken retarded rednecks enjoy.
qft
>>14430892
Yeah it's pretty hard to find anything here that isn't rusted to shit
>>14431061
I drive my pajero around in Kazakhstan where almost all roads are trail-tier and covered in salt. I often need to lock diff and go into 4hlc just to leave my driveway. And my car has got almost no rust (except for the exhaust which is kind of rusty). Rust on the underside just gives a general picture of how the car was maintained.
>>14430786
>what gen monteros?
He's Canadian, so it will only be the NP.
>>14431584
>except for the exhaust which is kind of rusty
Damn, nigga. That's stainless steel. You must have crazy salt there.
>>14433189
I already cut off the thermoisolation off because it rusted to shit. This is the rest.
That's a third gen basically, right? If true, that's a great off-roader.
>>14420858
Are you willing to sacrifice a bit of comfort for better off-road capabilities? Then get an Iltis.
>Stupid easy to take care of
>Unstoppable
>Can literally climb mountains (rated for 70 degree climbs in the manual, we pushed them harder in LandNav)
>Bitch will float if you seal it up, attach a trolling motor and you could cross a lake, then drive out the other side
>Easy on gas
>Sexy Cold War looks get all the mad pussy
Only problems? Thin milfag tires aren't the best on sheer ice, and every time we tried mounting weapons to them, things broke from the recoil. But as a kickass off-road/Recce vehicle, they were great. I had so much fun with them, I'm probably going to get one to DD.
>>14430356
4.636 gears help from the get go.
Hell Suzuki sidekicks have 5.125 gears in anything 4 speed auto and 5 speed manual.
Just because your jeep can barely put down any power through its road style gear ratios doesn't mean that the rest of the world doesn't offroad with half the power. Your offroading is a pass time and a "life style" while mine is necessary to put bread and salt on my table.
Also i4 is too much of a blanket statement seeing as some jap of road commercial vehicles have large 4.0l - 5.0l i4's and they redline at 3k rpm and have stupid low tractor gears.
Hell even Mitsubishi pajeros come with 3.2 i4 diesels that are pretty powerfull
>>14434358
Do they have lockers?
>>14434358
>Iltis
my nigga where the fuck is anyone going to get that in canada
>>14434841
Yep, apparently.
>>14434987
There's a guy in Edmonton who restores them off-frame back to showroom. There's also a fuckton of them around online. Look on Kijiji or whatever. Shit, there was one sold that had 210 bhp. But speed isn't their strength, obviously.
>>14434987
>>14435699
http://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/sudbury/1985-bombardier-iltis-custom-bumper-sliders-rollcage-leather/1136264276?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true
Why drive off road when there are roads lol. Never understood this.
Or why people leave a road to go off road. There's a perfectly good road! And you just left it?! And you could have gone a ways further to find a road going to your destination but no you veer off road.
Pure autism.
>>14436762
Spot the road I could have driven on to get where I took this picture.
jeeps are GOAT at offroading
pic related, my wrangler unlimited
>>14436833
>jeeps are GOAT at offroading
Nope, they're weak shit.
>>14436830
Well then you shouldn't be there in the first place.
All the exploring was done long ago and nobody is designing maps anymore.
>>14436855
>drives a honda civic
>knows all about everything
ok neckbeard, you keep doing you
>>14436875
Nice projection there, chump. It's ok, one day you'll be able to afford your POS Jeep with pencil axles and Chrysler quality.
>>14436857
Yes but no one had a decent pic of my jeep there so it was up to me to take one. Also there was the factor of it being really fun to partake in and plan the trip there, so on a personal level it was beneficial.
>>14436887
top kek, dana 44 front and rear with rear locker. also, i believe you mean Daimler-Chrysler, faggot, and if not a civic, then what? a corolla, im guessing? and be sure to post pics
>>14436918
>top kek, dana 44 front and rear with rear locker.
Kek, he thinks his D30 with a D44 center section is a D44. Not that your D44 in the rear is anything to brag about.
Why are you so concerned about my car?
>>14436896
But unnecessary and nobody cares because people explored there already. So really nobody cares.
>>14436955
>j80
>almost 5,000 lbs
>bloated fuckhueg truck with shit-tastic engine
ah. so i was close. a bloated corolla.
>>14436833
>jeeps are GOAT at offroading
kek, still in high school?
>>14436830
>tfw it only takes 24" tires to get where you are in that photo
>>14436955
also driving your truck for >100k miles will rape your t-case. so yeah, my axles are more to brag about than yours.
>>14436990
>1FZ shit
5,000lbs doesn't matter when you don't have pencil axles.
>>14437002
None of that is true. Sorry you can't contest that your Jeep is weak shit.
>>14436993
nope, just have the money for multiple vehicles, so why not the vehicle most dedicated to what it does?
>>14437009
>present fact
>n-no that fact isnt true!!1!
>deflect
ok man. once your transfer case blows youll know im right
>>14436996
>tfw being bromaro
>500 HP to run 15's
>35" tires to get through the Walmart parking lot
>>14437011
pretty ironic how it is supposedly "the vehicle most dedicated to what it does" yet is still worse than a 20 year old toyota
>>14437019
Please show me where anyone has ever had a transfer case failure with the HF2AV.
>>14437011
>jeep wrangler
>the vehicle most dedicated to off roading
definitely still in high school
>>14436996
He got there and you didn't
Unless you have a picture of you at an equally impressive place with your vehicle?
Didn't think so.
>>14437037
>>14437025
He said to what it does
And what it does is cruise up and down the strip with the doors and top off blasting back street boys or spice Girls
>>14437025
they're both old as fuck cars, mine is just more dedicated to offroading than yours. its ok. you probably have two or three little shits to haul around and have to commute to work in it.
>>14424480
I agree that solid axles are over-rated/fetishized, but what advantage does a solid axle have over IFS for rock crawling that wouldn't translate to general off-roading.
>>14437050
With that kind of projection I feel bad for you. I'm sorry your family is holding you back, man.
>>14437047
kek
>>14437050
okay, believe what you want
>>14437047
caught me fair and square. also who calls it a strip? are you 80 years old? back street boys? you are fucking out of touch.
>>14437059
hahah dude im 20 years old and make 76k. no kids. i have that jeep, a 2015 f350 and an 04 bimmer. im sorry your poor as fuck and can only afford a single japbucket
>>14437063
Sorry, I'll call it the maino instead
And justin beiber? Idk
>>14437070
You have really got something to prove, huh? Maybe when you finally receive a 6 digit salary as a tenured sanitation engineer, you'll be able to afford nice cars brand new instead of secondhand Jeeps.
>>14437070
Enjoy it while it lasts
Those old dudes gonna lose interest in your boipussy when you turn 24
>>14437072
cmon man. drake! adele! if youre gonna drop insults at least make sure they up to date. you might as well say i dance to elvis
I don't like this thread anymore
>>14437083
>he likes Drake and Adele
>>14437080
lol you didnt pick up (ha) on the 2015 f350 platinum, did you? also its like, fifth-hand
>>14437083
You ain't nothin but a hound dog
please stop making me want to buy a wrangler. i wouldn't even use it. just euthanize my daydreams pls senpai
>>144370890
agreed
>>14437093
Dropped all your money on the pickup you don't have anything to haul with, so you can't afford anything else that's good.
>>14437096
Why would you? They're shit.
>>14437108
Just out of curiosity if you consider a wrangler shit what do you consider good?
>>14437108
lol except my 4 horse trailer, for 'work'. jeep is for muddy weekends, bimmer is for dry ones :^) and lol i have the best, why would i need anything else? a overbloated, overrated japanese shitstack?
>>14437096
do it my friend. the community is great, the aftermarket is vast, and the work is easy.
>>14437118
Anything not made by Jeep.
>>14437128
>I have the best
No, you have a Jeep and a BMW of no description from 12 years ago.
>>14437142
ah yes. sorry let me describe them. 2004 e46 BMW m3 6-speed manual, that i also track from time to time.
>>14437158
>2004 e46 BMW m3 6-speed manual
let's see a picture of that
>>14437158
>2004 e46 BMW m3 6-speed manual
Oh wow, a 15,000 dollar car! Definitely someone who makes 75,000 dollars a year, gross. Living above your means already, boy.
>>14437160
fuck no! dude its 20 degrees outside. if this thread is still up in the morning ill post it
>>14437179
lol you missed 63 thousand dollar truck part, didnt you?
>>14437142
Sorry you dont know what you are talking about but you are wrong.
>>14437200
>He spent his entire salary on a truck
LMAO
>>14437208
No, I'm not.
>>14437210
>he has 1.7 mil in the bank
lol stay salty, pleb
>>14437215
Well i own both so whats your proof?
>>14437217
1.7 million in the bank? You mean in your trust fund from your grandpappy you can't touch until you're 45?
>>14437222
hes just poopty pants that he bought a shitty bloated crossover
>>14437222
>financed both
FTFY
>>14437222
Proof of what, retard? Shitty axles? Poor build quality?
>>14437227
actually yes, my trustfund from my great uncle that i couldnt(!) touch until i was 20. which i did, and bought my baller ass truck
>>14437233
@>3% Of course i did.
What do you have, cause you talk alot of shit but so far havent backed anything up. And i have.
>>14437235
That i know what i am talking about because i do own both and proved it.
>>14437241
>retard thinking I'm the same person
You're a salty fuck aren't you?
>>14437236
>Get access to money
>first thing he does is buy a car
Yea, you're going to blow that shit in a year and the bank is going to have fun repossessing it all.
>>14437241
nice rubi! what color is it?
>>14437245
>That i know what i am talking about because i do own both and proved it.
Well considering Jeep tells you what axles are in it, I don't think it's necessary to force a JK upon myself.
>>14437248
is that how you got poor as fuck and saltier than the dead sea? no wait, your entire family has been poor since the dawn of time. enjoy your 75 mile commute in your honda shitbox
>>14424475
Are you fucking retarded?
>>14437249
>>14437208
how do the 4-door wranglers compare to the 2-door?
>>14437266
One has 2 more doors
>>14437255
What do you have that is better then either.
Please put me in my place.
Please prove i am wrong and i don't know what i'm talking about.
But you cant because you don't have anything more then what you read on the internet.
Sorry real world experience > internet message boards.
>>14437266
speaking from experience, the 4 doors need a lift in order to compare to the 2 doors in offroading capability. However the 2 doors are excellent offroaders stock, especially the rubicon, and especially the rubicon hard rock. imho i prefer the unlimiteds.
>>14437264
No, he's not. Leave the Pajero out of this shit thread, just let the Toyotaniggers and Jeepfags fight.
>>14437276
dude just stop. you look like an idiot
>>14437249
Tank is what its called from the factory.
>>14437266
Less tenancy to roll while climbing but shit break over angle comparatively.
Also feels very stable on the road but nothing close to the 4runner.
>>14428209
>FJ cruiser
>Good 4x4 platform
> strongly considered worst toyota wagon in the last 10-15 years in Aus
>>14437294
gorgeous
>>14428244
Get fucked my wrangler has done nothing but run circles around toyotas in mud and sand here in aus with light mofification. And been decently reliable to boot.
>>14437294
>Less tenancy
???
>>14437299
however thats australia, so isnt that the opposite?>FJ cruiser confirmed best toyota wagon
>>14437316
>1 of 12 Australians going off road not driving a mid size pickup or LC/Pajero/Patrol
>>14437319
tenacity*
>the quality or fact of being very determined; determination.
>>14437305
Thanks, i love it but i feel like it does need a lift. Probably going to get a 2.5inch terraflex.
Gonna get a bit more miles of the of stock wheels before i toss them. I just hit 8k miles with it. About 600 were off road.
>>14437333
LMAO
>>14437319
tendency, sorry.
>>14437328
Can you reword that for me? Struggling to find any meaning to that.
>>14437339
you are fucking spot on with the teraflex. I have their long arm 5" lift and it is unbreakable. cannot recommend their products enough.
>>14420858
if you had the money...
https://youtu.be/50gN9-M1pw0
>>14437369
I can't make it any clearer than that, should I try in Aboriginal?
>>14437374
>britbong made
>reliable
NOPE.jpg
>>14437370
Did you get i professionally installed? From what i have read about them I am a bit hesitant to start sawing shit off and re welding suspension components.
>>14437379
1 of 12 australians. Are you saying that im the 1 of 12? If so what relevance does that have to what others are driving if my TJ is still making everyone elses offroader their bitch? Also coons dont have anything like a unified language. Get with it old son.
>>14437386
Where's your sense of adventure? These are a tad bit more reliable:
>>14437038
Impressive? No
Despite the sheer cliffs all over the place if I were to take a photo all you would see is green thicket.
There is no such thing as open road or forest or over landing here.
Pure buahwacking
>>14437328
Also theres fuck all in the way of patrols and pajeros left. Nobody has bought one in years. Its all ford rangers, hiluxs, and landrovers and landcruisers.
>>14437414
Where are you?
>>14437425
Probs NZ or tas
>>14437403
I'm saying you're in the minority because a Jeep is a poor choice.
>>14437417
Absolutely untrue. Your country is fucking littered with all 3 of those. You can't throw a rock without hitting either a Land Cruiser, Pajero, or Patrol.
>>14437412
I really wish they would make anything with portal axles in the states. So sex.
>>14437400
yeah I did. all told it was about 3k, including the kit, but the hourly rate will probably differ where you are. I have zero experience with a welding torch so im less than confident. however lifts that dont have the long arm conversion can probably be done in a weekend and dont require modifying the frame
>>14437442
You couldn't afford it just like you can't afford what's available, now.
>>14437082
BTFO
>>14437417
>>14437436
>my vehicle smashes those vehicles on the reg
>"ye but its bad"
Youre fucking retarded if you think that all three of those combined tack up to the amount of hiluxs on the road. I live and sell cars in regional Australia. You're just plain wrong.
>>14437412
i got to ride around in one of those at a sled dog camp in Alaska. Super fun.
>>14437442
portal axles have really weak gearing by their nature. so unless you're driving a 5 ton truck (which you can, govplanet), they arent going to be viable.
>>14437454
Quit projecting, just because you are poor doesn't mean i am.
>>14437469
And we've come back full circle to straight up lying. Australians never cease to amaze me in how deluded they can be.
>>14437491
What part of what I just said is a lie?
>>14437412
unimogs are beasts. however, these take the cake.
>>14437485
I though they usually have really low gearing because of the reductions? And i would guess that if they are built to handle a 5 ton truck they would stand up to some abuse.
I though it was higher speeds that trashed them.
But like i said not many here so i am not really sure. I have seen only a few in person.
>>14437488
lots of that going on in this thread. and lots of salty salty po' folk
>>14437488
Then why don't you own a G500 or G550 with LeTech portals on it? Oh right, because you can't afford it.
>>14437516
its the reduction gears themselves that will give out. and yeah i suppose you could do an axle swap from a 5 ton into a truck or something, but that would look...goofy. and ive looked into them, however theyre expensive as fuck to get under a car, so unless theyre factored into the design of the vehicle theyre not great. However, if you have all the fucking money, you'd probably want some
>>14437526
Poor for not owning the worlds most expensive ute.
>>14437541
tldr of that, not worth it for the money. could be better spent on beefier axles/bigger tires
>>14437526
The fuck is wrong with you.
only about 20,000 people in the world currently have a private jet registered.
I never said i was rich. I am just not poor.
>>14437555
Fuckin lol at G550 comment
>>14437564
hahahaha topkek dude i didnt even catch that
>>14437526
Oh wait the Mercedes.
My bad. because it would take almost a whole year of pay for me to own one and i have other financial obligations.
>>14437573
Exactly, so what makes you think any other vehicle with portals would be something you would own?
>>14437573
Its too late man ahahaha letech portals on a jet haha wtf on what? its running gears??
>>14437580
look you nigger, im not the guy who youre arguing with, but you can get any fucking military truck with portal axles. they are not expensive. they are cheap as a mexican. anyone could get a truck with ports for sub $10k
>>14424786
The old Bronco II's are underrated.
Get one of the 5 speeds with the Mitsubishi turbodiesel. Bad little fuckers.
>>14437591
>but you can get any fucking military truck with portal axles
Oh, yea? Name a vehicle you can get in the US with portals, even if it is a shitty military vehicle you wouldn't want to actually drive.
>>14437591
To be fair he is right about the ex-military vehicle thing. You can pick up old 6x6 landrovers for that.
>>14437580
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1963-Mercedes-Unimog-404-/281904658878?hash=item41a2d3b9be:g:O9gAAOSwYIhWkLZB
literally 5 seconds on google
>>14437604
>>14437608
BTFO FAGGOT GET REKD
>>14437580
I am not talking about owning the vehicle out right, simply supply.
If there was a good amount of older or used portal axles the cost would go down. As it stands now the G-wagon is the only vehicle around here that has them. Im guessing the import numbers for them are pretty low.
>>14437299
literally one of the dumbest things I have read on /o/ in months
It is strongly considered to be one of the best off-road vehicles, straight off the factory floor, in the past 30 years. It uses all of the good bits from the Tacoma, 4Runner, and LC.
And then it was purpose built, sacrificing stuff like comfort for function.
1/10 man seriously weak
>>14437316
Good for you, Wranglers are notoriously unreliable vehicles and get some of the *WORST* ratings of any SUV today.
>>14437622
maybe if youre a fucking pussy
>>14437608
It's scrap metal, what the fuck? Stop cherrypicking.
>>14437637
>getting upset over objective facts
kek
spotted the degenerate Jeep fanboi
>>14437637
Agreed he is a fucking pussy.
>>14437646
Cherrypicking? you fucking homo. you asked for a military truck with portal axles that you wouldnt want to drive, for less thank 10k and you get exactly what you asked for within a fucking minute. god damn you are a hypocritical bastard. i bet if you even researched that shit for more than 5 seconds youd be able to find something.
>>14437667
I said that you wouldn't want to, not that you can't, fucktard.
>>14437646
another 5 fucking seconds on ebay. you twat
>>14437654
Facts? How about the fact your FJ snaps belts prematurely on the regular in aus. Or it sells like crap because its overpriced and trash on fuel. Or how about that the suspension setup is absoloute pus as standard for AUS offroad conditions. It can barely handle that weakwater U.S. landscape ffs.
>>14437655
>>14437637
>babby's first samefag
>>14437646
>>14437667
>>14437677
>>14437682
whoops forgot the link. this is actually pretty fucking badass
http://www.ebay.com/itm/419-Flu-see-Unimog-/172092220231?hash=item28117ee347:g:zucAAOSwKtVWtrC0
>>14437688
not even close bro. you find it surprising to find more than one jeepbro on /o/ in an offroad thread?
>retard alert
>>14437683
The chain driven 1GR-FE snaps belts???
>absoloute pus as standard for AUS offroad conditions.
It's a fucking Prado, wtf?
>>14437683
It has a timing chain, I live in Canada where we get temperature extremes far in excess of anything you silly cunts do, and my FJ has over 240,000km with original factory belts. Original battery too, which is fantastic considering I start it 3-5 times a day, 5-6 days a week.
Fuel economy is what you'd expect from a 4.0L engine powering a +4000lbs vehicle, not terrible but not great. Suspension setup is absolutely wonderful, it handles better than any Jeep on-road and has great traction off-road.
Never been to Australia, looks like an awesome place to visit. Shame your government is a bunch of cucks and most Aussies are liberal crybabies or inbred retards, though.
Cheer up m8, one day you'll get a real job and be able to afford a proper vehicle like an FJ. Til then, just keep wrenching on that Wrangler. You can probably keep it going for another couple years if you drive it 1 day a week.
:^)
>>14437697
Got eeem
>>14437703
He's spewing meme horseshit, probably the same type of guy who cries about Ridgelines any time /o/ has a truck thread, even though he's never touched one.
Much like Ridgeline owners, FJ owners don't get upset about what others drive. For some reason there's a really obnoxious Jeep subculture that a lot of people buy into, and it requires them to be an ignorant cunt 24/7.
>>14437646
>>14437667
>>14437677
>>14437682
>>14437690
aaaaaaand no response. get. fucking. reck'd.
>>14437499
very nice
>>14437746
Moar?
>>14437425
Lesser antilles.
Congonese come here and shit their pants at how bad and dangerous our roads are.
>>14437724
I expected the FJ to have more cargo room. It seemed underwhelming to me
the triple windshield wipers are cool tho.
>>14437743
>>14437697
honestly this does smell like samefag tho
>>14437724
>240,000km
>pavement princess please go
