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>French Master Race Edition
A thread for our beloved econobox pocket rockets. Talk experiences, ask for advice and questions and generally shitpost about the Fiesta ST.
Previous Thread: >>14375304
How was your weekend?
>What is a "Hot Hatch"?
A Hot Hatch is a manufacturer produced, performance oriented variant of a standard hatchback, designed for improved handling, increased top speed, acceleration and generally enhance the driving experience.
>Are all Hot Hatches FWD?
No. Whilst most Hot Hatches are FWD, some are AWD or even RWD.
>Isn't FWD shit?
No. Just because you can't get the arse out by stamping on the accelerator doesn't mean you can't have fun.
>Aren't Hot Hatches just for Europoors?
No; with the launch of the Fiesta and Focus ST in the US, it seems like the Hot Hatch is beginning to take of on the other side of the Atlantic, but Europoors definitely have more choice.
>Is the Fiesta ST actually good?
The Fiesta ST is one of the best small hot hatches on offer at the minute; so yeah they're pretty good.
So OP does anyone other than Ford make hot hatches?
>>14412456
Probably a good 75% of the first world's car manufacturers.
Renault were arguably the best in recent times until the shit-show that was the Mk4 Clio RS. Now Ford seem to be in the limelight. The Golf R/GTI, Peugeot 208 GTI, Suzuki Swift Sport and Abarth 595 all seem to be very good offerings too.
>>14412486
The Mk4 clio with that gearbox is a disgrace. Atleast the Megane RS is still king :3
So far i've only dealt with older hot hatches, a 106 S16, a 306 2.0 (rather warm than hot hatch) and I drove a Golf mk1 GTI once (the hype is real).
So what are the modern ones like the Fiesta St like? I imagine (compared to ratty Peugeots) lotts of noise isolation, mid range torque and sheer grip. How's the steering feel? Does a Fiesta ST feel top heavy? It certainly looks like that
Does 90hp and RR make it a hot hatch? Anyone know if there's gonna be an RS trim? I've heard different things from different people
>>14412566
Don't think a RS is gonna happen, and since it's the smart three-pot 90 hp is probably about as much as you'll get from the factory.
Maybe Brabus or Elia can offer some basic mods for another 15-20 hp.
I'm kinda curious how these Twingos drive to be honest family. Maybe 90-110 hp is plenty? Comes with a manny tranny after all
>>14412603
From what I heard the electronics are obnoxious and you can't turn them off.
>>14412620
Fuse number 15 IIRC.
>>14412566
>>14412603
There were shots of what is believed to be an RS test mule, but nothing has really come of that since. There's probably a map available for an extra 10-15 HP though, assuming it's the standard 0.9TCE engine used across the Renault range. I'm wondering if anyone has tried a K4M RS swap yet.
>>14412678
Also conjectured to be a ForFour Brabus mule.
I don't think they're gonna make one any time soon. Renault cucked themselves with the Clio 4 and they're focusing on releasing millions of Megane RS derivatives and special editions.
>>14412497
The Megane RS is about to die though. And the new Megane is fat, and if the new Megane GT is anything to go by, it'll be shit.
>>14412541
> I imagine (compared to ratty Peugeots) lotts of noise isolation, mid range torque and sheer grip
The Fiesta ST is based on a platform from 2007. It's a fun car but it's nowhere near as "refined" as its newer rivals — road noise is a bit more noticeable. It's probably the most fun you can have for £20k and under, though, if you must have a newish car.
When you start heading to £25-£30k is where the real madness starts.
>>14412701
The most fun you can have with a newish hot hatch for under £20K is a low mileage 2011 Clio III RS Cup.
>>14412700
Can you imagine how mad RSfags will get if Renault go the ClioRS route and offer the MeganeRS with a double clutch semi?
>>14412707
>newish
>>14412402
>got peugeot 206gti
>shouldve gotten the 205gti
tfw the 205 gti in australia was neutered and made way less power than the euro version
fug
>>14412732
>longer, wider roads
>no corners
>neuter cars anyway, because fuck "hooners" muh chilluns
Why is Australia the worst country for drivers?
>>14412736
its a nanny state, people love being cucked by the govt here.
I get depressed when i think about how I will never even drive my 140hp car to its limits legally on a road here outside of a delimited highway in the outback.
>>14412678
The engine is the same 900cc 3cyl used in a variety of cars, however, it is tilted on its side in twingo. I would imagine the same ecu manipulations used in e.g. Clio 4 apply to twingo. I wish they did a RS version of the Clio 4 estate.
![InstagramCapture_edfa7c45-7e3d-43f8-b8c3-4db61f52eead[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/wcZDvNF.jpg "InstagramCapture_edfa7c45-7e3d-43f8-b8c3-4db61f52eead[1].jpg")
French owners post your french.
>>14412783
But my Fench Wheel Drive isn't hot at all.
>tfw not only slightly warm hatch
>cuckhatch
>>14412888
compensating for something?
everyone knows guys with small cars have massive cocks
>tfw the nismo version of my car is not sold on my country
>tfw neither are nismo parts for it available
>importing them is cost prohibitive
I still have fun with its 106hp, 950kg FWD package.
Does a 210hp RWD diesel hatch count?
It cant hang with the RS and the like but it can still be quite fun to drive tho
>>14413552
Sure, if it's fun to drive and a hatch I don't see why not.
>>14413552
>rwd diesel hatch
125d?
>>14413716
120d with a decat, EGR delete and a remap
Quite old but lights up the rears nicely with 400NM at 2300 rpm
>>14413735
Noice.
Is it the E87?
>>14414050
Yep 5 door... desu the only thing I really miss is a LSD and a sound system that doesnt sound like a chinese 5$ speaker set
How about Euro inspired American hot hatches?
>>14414689
SVT?
>>14414716
It is, not mine though. Which means it's just an ST170. pretty much.
Okay, for less than £3000, is there anything else I should be looking at that isn't going to cost me an arm and a leg to run. Want at least about 40mpg, reasonable reliability but still needs to be fun.
Looking at these and the Twingo 133. I've heard Swifts are bulletproof, anyone now about the Twingo?
>>14414835
Renault engines are pretty bulletproof as well, electronics not so much.
>>14412783
What do you guys think of the 03 Clio? I think it's the only hot hatch I really like
I wish RS conversion parts were easier to find for the MK1, but it's been 13 years since it was released.
>>14414857
My Clio's had a few issues, but they've all either been electronic or
>ball joints & front shocks
They're the real killer.
>>14414913
That's very pretty. You got the cup package on that, yeah?
>>14415039
Thanks, yes it's a cup
>>14415086
I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess it's a 250 and not the 265. What're they like? I'd been wanting to trade up from my 200 Cup, but life keeps getting in the way.
Picking my FiST up sometime this month. So Hyped!
I have a 1994 Clio.
>>14415274
Me too mate. Picking mine up next week.
Not a hot hatch but long story short I can get a car on the motability scheme. I right now share a Rav 4 with my dad and have a Yamaha YZF-R125 as my own. I'm looking at getting a Corsa with the 1.0T engine. I can't get anything bigger because I'm 20 and under the scheme, they insure you and the max horsepower is 115, which is more than fine, this is a free car for 3 years we're talking about. Is there anything else I should be looking at that's new?
>>14415421
My old team-leader at work had one. Seemed pretty decent. Make sure you spec it well and do NOT put black wheels on it. Everyone has the Ltd Ed spec, so I'd go for the SRi if that's still a thing. You can make a Corsa look half decent and tasteful if you do things right.
>>14415357
Nice. I am not the only one on /o/ with a mk1 :D
>>14415604
It's almost as happy as the Twingo
almost
>>14415617
almost
>>14415617
I liked how Renault bought the little mouths back for a bit.
>>14415617
Meh. It is not hysteric about its happiness. It shows some age being the 3rd face-lift and final year of production. There is a hint of sadness in the retarded baby dolphin stare it greets me with. A trusty shitbox indeed.
Naturally aspirated feels
whats a good hot hatch for about $17k brand new?
>>14415925
Burgerland, I assume? There's not much choice over in the US, I think it's pretty much Fiesta, Focus, Golf/A3 or nothing.
I don't think you got the Swift Sport, French hatches or Polo GTI.
>>14415604
>>14415665
Your's is a little newer than mine. It has the different headlights and grill. Mine is a 1994 model, which is the very first model with a fuel injection engine, also the same engine as the Twingos at the time.
>>14416329
Mine is the 1.4 "big block" (i.e. a stroker version of the 1.2) e-series with TBI. First gen Clios are getting more and more rare taking into account that it was among the top sellers throughout the 90's. They are solid cars and easy to maintain with tight budget. The remaining special models like 16v are starting to increase in price. Many of them were lost in early 2000's ricer boom.
>>14415925
There are no HOT hatches for 17k$ new only normal hatchbacks
>ford focus
>ford fiesta
>honda fit
>toyota yaris
>nissan versa (shit)
Hatches that are more expensive but you should also consider
>any worthwile ford focus
>FiST
>vw golf
>probably the new chevy cruze hatch
>mini (expensive and gay)
and always remember to never get a automatic hatchback that isn't from a german company
What about this? http://columbusga.craigslist.org/cto/5439551039.html
>>14416508
forgot the sonic hatch
What about this? http://columbusga.craigslist org/cto/5439551039.html
>>14415421
Get the Fiesta 1.0T Ecoboost. Trust me, it's an infinitely better car in every single way except ICE gadgets.
Except half of the Corsa's ICE systems work from screen scraping, so unless you have unlimited data, if you're gonna use your phone to run the Corsa's ICE, prepare for an arse-fucking come phone bill time.
Does a 1.3 turbo japanese shitbox from 1994 count?
164bhp in a car that weighs ~860kg dry feels gud man.
>>14416439
Mine is an 8v though :_;
I got no airbags, no powersteering or central locking, the weight reduction makes up for the lack of power a little.
I know it's a slow car, but Renault made a fun chassis and I have lowered suspensions. So taking corners with it is pretty fun. I like the pedal setup and shifting too.
It was probably owned by someone as a second car as grocery getter. 22 years old an only 125k kilometers on it.
I wish mine sounded like this though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asKuYgAcyIk
>>14416549
Starlet GT Turbo?
>>14416565
Yep. No recent pics of it atm (well, none that haven't already been posted ad nauseam).
What about this? http://columbusga.craigslist org/cto/5439551039.html
>>14416584
Nice car, pham.
I've always liked the Starlet and the Pulsar GTI-R. The Pulsar is retarded expensive to insure, though.
Is this thing supposed to be the Jap take on a hot hatch?
How about this one? http://columbusga.craigslist org/cto/5439551039.html
>>14416660
>Guys, should we make a hot hatch?
>Yeah, ok. But let's make a shit one, and sell it as a Ralliart.
>Good idea.
Typical Mistubishi.
Really considering a focus st.
>Fiesta ST to small to haul people+things around
>Focus is faster
I'm used to cars with a massive turning radius, so that won't be a problem.
Any reason I shouldn't?
>>14417352
Have you also considered the Mazdaspeed 3, Golf GTI or Impreza Hatch? Assuming you're American.
>>14418977
>Golf GTI
lol
>>14416508
well im fucked when my only choices are fiesta, fit and yaris.
They have 110-120 hp ;((
>>14418977
More like mazdaslow 3
>>14419000
The Fiesta can get about 140 from the 1.0T Ecoboost.
Also how much is an Abarth over there?
You may as well just buy used.
>>14419081
ecoboosts are autotragic in here.
>>14419118
Then unless the Abarth is sub-$17K, you're really gonna wanna go used.
>>14416660
The Japs make good hot hatches, though.
They always have, and they always will.
>When your mate tells you his MX5 is faster
>>14419414
But that might be true, HIS miata might not be completely stock
>>14419414
>this car with more power is faster!
How surprising
>>14412497
The new trophy actually fixed the gearbox to be good, but their reputation is too far gone with that car, even more so since the fiesta st is so popular
>>14412732
If money was an issue, you should've got the 306 GTI at the very least.
>tfw like one 205 GTI for sale in the whole country
>>14412736
>>14412752
>drive an R33 GTS (N/A)
>a fucking V6 camry is faster
>always getting pulled over
>"you ain't out for a hoon are ya, mate?"
>meanwhile all the people passing us doing at least 10-15 over the limit
Truly the gayest country for drivers.
Sort of really want one of these. Upset they were never released.
>>14419859
only crossovers for you
feels good, man.
>>14419878
please no.
>>14418977
Mazdaspeed, from what I've read, doesn't seem to be as nice as the FoST in the corners
Also
>Volkswagen
>>14417352
I think the Fiesta dropped into the 11s quicker than the FoST did, and if you're in NC you can have the 4 door version. The Focus is really only ever so slightly larger on the inside and it feels cramped, where as the fiesta feels roomy for a small car.
I'd just say make sure to drive them back to back before purchasing.
>>14420345
In NA* lol whoops
>>14414689
Focus and Fiesta are pretty much european cars anyways.
>>14416623
Sod it, I'll post the pic up that I post all the time. My Starlet at JAE '15
People always say the ride quality of a FiST is bad, but I didn't really notice a difference from a 2006, 1.2 model to the ST.
I'm very hyped now.
>>14419437
>b-but muh rwd
much better than the golf gti or the focus st.
>>14422149
The Astra OPC/VXR is a bit of an FWD muscle car. Has more power than it probably should, but that's what makes it fun.
>>14421201
next uk meetup when
>>14422180
Need someone to organize it desu senpai
mfw my dad had a 106 rallye and an EP3 Civic Type R and sold them both
>>14422551
>dads first car was a bright yellow challenger
>raced it against his mate who imported a fucking superbird
>golf GTI fags used to challenge him at the lights thinking theyre hot shit
Things never change huh?
>mfw he went over a bridge too fast and almost cracked the car in two when he landed
and that was the end of that
>>14422578
What kills me is that he didn't wreck them, he just gave them away. And especially the rallye was cheap as shit to run (dunno about insurance on it to be honest cause it was a long while ago) but still he could have easily kept it.
Is this a hot hatch?
>>14422595
Rallye's didn't used to be expensive to buy, even as little as 5 years ago. I haven't checked recently, but I do not doubt that they have also gone upin price in this weird bubble thats been forming these past 4 or do years with a lot of classics.
This bubble is also evident with MK1 golfs. 5 years ago I was in college looking at getting a first car. A good condition MK1 GTI was £2k MAX. Now they're easily double that for a meh example. It's like this for so many cars now, the time to buy is slipping away before they become too much money to be worth it. Find something obscure and buy now, I don't expect this bubble to go away any time soon
>>14422599
nah, more like a fat hatch
>>14422626
Hot hatches that are not in circulation are blowing up, especially performance versions.
>>14422551
>tfw a friend had to scrap his 106 GTi
>>14419902
thats not a hot hatch, thats just a shit hatch with the speed of a lawnmower
hon hon
>>14412736
the 205 gti was altered here to fit emissions standards, since I don't think cat converters were compulsory in yurop at the time
correct me if I'm wrong familia
>>14421201
Is it time for a collage?
>>14422472
I'd organise one, but I've got a few other things on my plate right now.
>>14412402
Is this good?
The Fiesta ST/XR4 sold in Europe and Australia, has 2.0 150HP engine
>>14412402
how are 944s? one for 2,500 in my area
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School me on the Megane 265 Trophy. Looking at a low mileage second hand model.
>>14425843
How so?
>>14414857
My Clio 3 F1 was botched by the first owner putting a lame crackle tune from Ktech that splutters during gearchange. The software is from the dark ages and managed to corrupt the factory file and now has a severe missfire that I cant rectify.
>>14426308
Can you not just get a decent map on it?
>>14426577
or a new ecu
>>14426278
What're you driving currently?
>>14426287
All the other generals seem have collages of side shots.
>>14422149
Until you show it a corner, much like most American cars LOL
>>14421201
>>14422180
>>14422472
>tfw haven't been to a JAE since 2010
>>14425894
I owned one, a 56 plate silver (Sept 2006-March 2007). It was fun, but the engine feels a bit woozy at high rev ranges because intake piping and manifold were deliberately restricted so the car would sell better to younger drivers. The rear suspension set-up made it feel a little too loose for my tastes, but it did corner very well.
All in all it's a great little car with a largely bulletproof engine and with some mild mods can be hitting 170-180hp quite easily. Should you get one, the first thing on your mods list should be a decent rear anti-roll bar.
>>14426677
WILLST DU SCHLÄGE?
>>14414835
I'm going to chip in a vote for Citroen C2 VTS - Slightly quicker to 60 than the swift, mine gets an average of 39.2mpg, same N/A 1.6l 5MT setup, incredibly short gearing, parts are incredibly cheap, the cars themselves are incredibly cheap (decent examples with low mileage going for less than £2k), low kerb weight (1080kg or something like it), nimble chassis, huge aftermarket including turbos/throttle bodies/a 3.0l V6 conversion, and reliability-wise mine's had almost nothing wrong with it in 40,000 miles (it's now at about 82,000). Exhaust bracket rusted away but that was only reason to get a stainless steel catback - for £240, brand new and fitted.
It's a good fun car for under £2k but I've had mine 2 years now and I've started to outgrow the performance... but I expect I'd feel the same with the swift or the twingo.
>RWD, not fwd or shitty pseudo-4wd
>6cyl engine, a straight 6 at that
>hasn't gone fucking mental with styling like Honda or Mercedes or even WV with the Golf R
>implying this isn't the best hot hatch on the market right now
Prove me wrong. You can't.
>>14423616
It was my first car and I had a budget of 6k. I really liked the styling of the 205 and even the 306 styling seems better than 206. I lowkey regret my choice.
"When first launched the GTi had a 1.9-litre single overhead camshaft engine with eight valves and fuel injection that put out just 75 kW and 142 Nm. The European models had around 100 kW, the difference being due to a lower compression ratio used on the engines here, along with a different cylinder head with different porting to cope with the exhaust emissions that were in force at the time.
The lower output meant the 205 GTi was something of a disappointment, but there was always the handling to compensate for the loss of power.
A five-speed manual transmission was standard and drive was through the front wheels.
There was also a long list of standard features to help make up for the lack of grunt. Air-conditioning was standard, as were 14 x 6-inch alloy wheels, central locking, fog lamps, a leather steering wheel, power windows, and a four-speaker radio cassette sound system.
Unfortunately power steering wasn’t standard, it seems that the Peugeot engineers couldn’t work out how to include air-conditioning and power steering in the 205 when they did the conversion to right-hand drive and they decided air-conditioning was more important for the Australian market. The result was heavy steering.
An update in 1991 brought power steering and air-conditioning, and a welcome injection of power.
The engine now had 90 kW and 152 Nm, which boosted performance to a much more acceptable level."
It's all about a cars looks imo. there are cars faster than a brz that arent as attention grabbing. Moreover I dont get how I rarely see people get pulled over for speeding, like you said drivers doing 10km over all the time and no troubles for them.
>>14426746
terribly impractical and expensive as fuck to aquire and keep on the road
Both not traits of a great hot hatch.
Not a bad car though, especially those early 130s.
And considering how pigfat the E90 is these are gettign more and more interesting as the prices come down
>>14426657
2004 Civic Type R
>>14426746
It's the most expensive hatchback (besides the RS3) unless you buy a poor equipped one. The five door looks like shit and the 3 door is as practical as the m235i. It's pretty cool tho
Back before the polishing job in my headlights shit itself
>>14416508
>and always remember to never get a automatic hatchback that isn't from a german company
Why? German hatchbacks are costly on repairs as opposed to American and Japanese hatches.
>>14426797
You'll probably find the size and shape a bit odd, the Megane feels huge, especially width wise. The power delivery will also feel very different.
>>14426780
I feel sorry for you Ausfag.
The used 205 market in the UK is a mixed bag. you can get a GTi with either engine for about £1500, but it will have had the arse ragged off it. The minimum you see on them is at least 130,000mi.
Then agian, one's just gone up on ebay, £23k for 50.000mi on the clocks. It's in good nick, but not £23k worth of good nick
>>14428721
They're shooting up in price right now
beware the master of hothatches
>>14428731
It's a shame I can't get a GTi: £9000 on insurance for me
Managed to pick up an XS with a 1.4 for £770 though, only 62,000mi on it
Here's my french.
Mods - uprated suspension, gearbox and engine mounts, cat back exhaust, rstuner, rear arb, bilstein coil overs, camber bolts, oz racing ultraleggera's.
Pretty fun 2bh, even if it wrecks my back after every drive.
Considering selling and getting a Focus XR5 for that 5cyl soundtrack, also more suitable for a daily commute.
>>14428979
What did you do to the gearbox? The 172/182 gearboxes are pretty bulletproof for the car it's in and can handle way more
>>14428776
My negro
>>14429007
Nothing to the actual gearbox. Just uprated gearbox mount by ktec.
I've actually heard the opposite about the gearbox. Mine has been fine so far, though has a small leak, which is pretty common among the 172/182's.
>>14429115
I think the selector seal can go bad and leak, but I never heard much else about the actual internals
>>14412402
>Whilst most Hot Hatches are FWD, some are even RWD
such as
and that V6 MR clio doesn't count
>>14429170
BMW 135 and pic related.
>>14429235
Chevette HSR also
>>14426681
I'll be there this year, pretty much there every year with UKStarletOwners.
It's at Newark Showground now, and the venue is massive. Plenty of space for all stands.
>>14429170
Volvo 360glt
>>14429170
Toyota starlet
Renault turbo 2
AE86
s12
944
etv
>>14429753
Whats JAE like? Was thinking of going, but don't own jipjap car and not in any japanese car scene/club and nobody I know is. Looks very festival like
Is there a RWD hot hatch the USA?
Fuck FWD because these modern cars are all over 3000lbs
>>14429859
You realize that a FR drivetrain is heavier than a FF drivetrain right?
>>14429852
Chilled as fuck atmosphere.
Good 3 days or so of drinking, seeing club members and catching up, chatting cars, looking at cars, looking at all the different clubs etc. Just really laid back.
Events on too (such as drift rides etc), and food and car related shops. Oh, and a massive fireworks display at the end of the show every year. Sometimes there's special guest cars; 2015 had the HKS Group A R32 GTR, which was a very, very nice wakeup call, having that start up next to our club stand :D
Only problem is that you can't get on club stands etc if you don't have a Jap car. You'd have to park in visitor parking.
>>14430080
I'm thinking some of the experience of it will come with actually having a japanese car, I might wait a while and hopefully get my RX7 project underway within the next year
>>14428979
ausfag?
from what I can see in the photo, that looks like straya
>>14430116
yeah. that's at robertson pie shop after a macquarie pass/jamberoo mountain rd run.
>>14429883
Thats the entire point
If FWD is going to be heavy then might as well go RWD
>>14430435
>if it's going to be heavy it might as well be heavier
>>14430228
damn, that looks like fun, man
noice clio also
>>14426828
>poor equipped
Fucking what? Comes with climate, sat nav, full leather, cruise, parking sensors, led headlights and shit as standard. What more do you need? 29k for the manual. It's only slightly more expensive than the manual Golf R, 3k more expensive than the Golf GTI.
The AMG Merc A class and RS3 are much more expensive, but they're cars knocking on the door of 400bhp. They're a leave above the 30k hatchback group.
The Leon Cupra 290 is probably the best bang for buck, but dat RWD in the 1 series makes my dick diamond hard.
>>14429753
I've been with CTRO.
Not had a car for a while (uni) and I've just bought myself another Civic as a graduation present so I might head to 2016 JAE.
>tfw you paid £5,500 for a 55-plate black Premier Edition with 55,000 on the clock, with DC5 Brembos, HEL braided hoses and EBC slotted rotors, and a Gruppe M intake I'm total worth ~£2,500
Nigga I could sell my car for £7,500 right now and easily get it. £5,5k was mad cheap. Might mod her, keep her N/a but aim for 250bhp. Don't like blown VTEC, feels like a sacrilege.
Post shitbox webms/gifs
Is there a comprehensive list of hot and warmish hatchbacks? I'd really like to get more info on these, the concept of a small cheap fast car is a godsend
>>14432462
Budget? Country?
>>14432462
in the back of a copy of evo magazine
>>14432462
Euroland, let's say 3000 Euros. Old or newish, doesn't really matter.
>>14432525
meant for
>>14432504
>>14426696
Thanks man. Do you think it will become a classic once day?
>>14432525
Punto 176 GT
>>14432525
Hot hatches that might fit within your budget: Clio 172/182, Civic Type R, Saxo VTS, Fiesta ST150, 205/206 GTI, MG ZR, BMW 325ti, Mini Cooper S, mk1 Focus ST170, Leon Cupra, Ibiza Cupra, Golf Mk4 V6 4motion, Vauxhall Nova GTE, Astra SRi Coupe, Corrola T-Sport, Lupo GTi, stuff like that
Warm hatches that will fit within your budget: mk5/6 Fiesta Zetec S, mk6 Fiesta ST, Mini Cooper, BMW 320ti, Corsa C SRi 1.8, Corsa D SRi 1.6t, Leon FR, Ibiza FR, Yaris T-Sport, 147 1.6 TS, Punto Sporting, Lupo 1.4
>>14432555
It'll be a cult classic at the very least, in my opinion. I doubt it'll be a classic on the level of a Williams or a cossie Escort or the coveted Delta Integrale. Who knows. Perhaps Mountune versions might be a classical classic?
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>>14432873
Nice, is that Tuxedo Black or Shadow Black?
So, Citroën Saxo VTS 16v.
These are pretty cheap around where I live, and I know it's basically a 106 GTi with a bodykit and slightly different gearing.
Took a ride in a 106 GTi a few times, that thing was a lot of fun, but how good are they to live with? Are they easy to work on? What are things to look out for when buying (I'm assuming rust and failing electronics)?
>>14433423
They are fairly solid cars and can actually stand rust surprisingly well. Electronics could cause some troubles (coilpacks, ground wires etc) and torsion bars tend to snap in high mileage Peugeots.
>>14433626
Okay, so I guess the coilpacks are a thing to replace right away, just to be sure, and I'd have to make sure the torsion bars are still in good shape. Thanks.
>>14433738
Those are general issues with French econoboxes of that vintage. It is almost impossible to monitor the condition of those parts. I would recommend to replace them when they break. Also e.g. pattern coils could last half of what OEMs do. Just acknowledge that there could be issues. I would put the effort in finding a clean and unmolested example and do preventative maintenance where possible.
>>14433797
Fair enough. I did hear they're pretty easy to work on from a guy who used to own a 106 GTi, so they seem like pretty good beginner's cars.
Has anyone test-driven both a 106 and a clio?
Which did you enjoy more?
(frenchman looking for his first car)
So here's a predicament I'm in.
I am lucky enough to have won a sweepstakes I entered for last year in March. I have the option of choosing 1 of 2 cars that are being offered to me, free, with everything paid off. Thing is, they are both automatic.
It's either
>2016 Honda Fit base model with CVT
>2016 Toyota Yaris base model hatch with 4 speed automatic
What should I go for? Any advice is greatly appreciated.
>>14435367
The most expensive one, then trade it in immediately for something better.
>>14435367
>>14435421
Unless there's a clause which says you cannot resell in X time, just let it sit and use it every now and then, and trade it in when you can
>>14435367
Grab the fit and DD it. This way you can have bad ass impractical project cars/trucks while having a reliable gas saving DD.
>>14419902
Mazda2s are a ton of fun. I had one for a few years, threw some basic mods on it, and hooned it around the canyons like crazy.
I traded it in on a Fiesta ST when I started hungering for more power and a bunch of other stuff, and realized that the ST was a much easier solution than trying to turbo my 2 or whatever.
>>14436416
And the ST that replaced it. 90% of /o/ has probably already seen it a billion times, but might as well post it again.
Last week cruised in a V6 Laguna. Dude, never been so much comfy since the 19
