What is the most *important* car made in the last 10 years? Whether that means setting design trends, predicting the future, advancing technology, etc, what "important" means is up to you.
I elect pic related, because it brought back a genre of cars that went dead for almost a decade, the small, cheap, RWD sports coupe. It also has more manual sales than automatic despite being sold in a country where only <5% of sales are manual, proving that driving enthusiasts are still a viable market.
>>14272067
86 or miata ND, because it showed you can lose weight if you try. Camaro is already following suit.
Tesla Model S or the Nissan Leaf
>>14272079
As much as everyone is going to bitch about this
it's the prius
It popularized a lot of the features we have now, engine/stop starts
multiple engines in car (i.e one elec, one motor)
What we will see in the future of cars was made viable by the success of the Prius
>>14272092
This
>>14272092
Prius isn't just important in terms of technology, but for car culture as well. It's either the hero or the villain, depending on which side you choose.
>>14272092
the prius has been in production for almost 20-years now
>>14272122
this
I'd say for a sportscar it would be GT-R.
>>14273902
Why? Because it favors technology over weight?
>>14273945
The GTR was a hell of a step for production cars, really. It brought performance DCTs and performance-tuned AWD to an entirely different price bracket. It's also a car that's incredibly fast but still very confidence-inspiring to drive.
Unfortunately, benchracing fanbois ruined its existence.
>>14272116
says a lot about "car culture"
>>14273969
Don't worry, Alphonse will never be able to afford a GT-R.
>>14273945
Different anon, but I think it's because it so masterfully works with the technology it's given. The gtr's ATTESA I think it is, is in my opinion the greatest awd system made
>>14273983
>being this assmad
>>14272067
I'm interested in this car (Frs or Brz) what's the opinion on them? I saw it on top gear and heard it was a drifting machine. I just want something fun to drive
>>14272067
Both have been posted but yeah, going with the 86/BRZ or the Model S.
The twins showed that car manufacturers can still make 'drivers cars' in the form of fun sports coupes if they try and the Model S is a huge benchmark for EVs.
>>14274006
BRZ or FRS will definitely fulfill that criteria. It's essentially a hardtop, slightly more oversteer-prone Miata.
>>14274006
if your idea of fun is sitting back and letting the car impress you then probably not for you. if you want to get involved then yes.
>>14274006
>what's the opinion on them?
Pretty polarizing on this board, although maybe it's just shitposting rather than actual distaste. Otherwise, it's pretty widely loved. The only thing most reviewers want out of it is a turbocharged version, since it's a bit underpowered and has a dead spot between 3000-4000 RPM.
They're pretty fun. Get one before they're all crashed or modded into stance garbage/drift missiles/weebmobiles.
>>14274013
lel no
>>14272092
I get the logic of this, but I think the Tesla beats it out. The Prius is an interim step, the Tesla is the first truly practical, polished example of what cars are likely to be for the rest of our lives.
>>14272067
10 years? Tesla or GT-R easily.
>>14272067
Tesla P85, because it showed that world that no-emissions vehicles don't HAVE to suck and have pretentious sounding names. A driving enthusiast might get bored of it trying to drive for them, but most people think they're pretty rad.
>>14272122
God damn that makes me feel old.
>>14274013
I couldn't disagree more about the 86.
If anything, it's proven that its style of car is NOT viable. It came in under performing and over budget, sales have been well below Toyota's hopes, and the majority of owners are not the people who wanted them in the first place. I'm in SoCal, which should be this car's ideal market, and yet I'm not seeing them in the canyons, I'm not seeing them at the track, I'm not seeing many at autocross, but I'm seeing tons of them, totally done up like race cars with widebody and wings and graphics, struggling to make it up driveways and then hard parking at car meets. I also see a lot being driven by young girls.
The real enthusiasts have shunned the car, and it's totally been bought up by non-enthusiasts who think it's cute and by people who use it as a fashion accessory.
It's not an 86 at all, it's the new Celica.
>>14274228
Maybe it's an east coast thing. I love mine and see a bunch at auto cross. There has been at least 3 every time I went. It is the car I wanted since it was released. I knew what to expect and its really an enjoyable car. People who ride in it are really impressed. And let's not forget that the supra started as a celica. It's more like an a70 supra than an ae86 in weight, power and silhouette.
>>14274228
>sports car at miata price competes with miata in performance
>not viable
>>14274355
Could be, it might be that on the EC where weather is worse more people are willing to choose it over Miatas or S2000s because it has a real roof.
Still, it hasn't sold anywhere near as well as Toyota hoped, and the majority of buyers wouldn't really care if it were FWD. I'm afraid that it sets a bad example that will discourage manufacturers from trying something like it again.
>>14274228
To be fair, stancefags just like to ruin everything. S2000s and Miatas are also popular vape&scrape-mobiles.
>>14274373
miata is irrelevant in 2016
>>14274377
I'm in Canada and I see about 100 FRZ's per Miata ND. Weather is definitely a factor.
>>14274435
>>14274355
what the hell is with all the FWD cars in that shot?
god damn thats sad dude, they think they can compete against you
>>14274457
autocross is about fun m8
>>14274468
.......
>>14274414
Ugh, don't even get me started on S2000s. It pisses me off so much that 90% of them have been completely ruined, either by stancefags or by trackday/touge warriors who have no idea how suspensions work.
>>14274457
You only race yourself in autocross and you do it for fun. It's not fucking WRC.
>>14274456
>being this butthurt no one cares about his little faggot's car
>>14274064
Too bad they're mostly getting bought by the overly smug "I'm faster than you and I'm saving the planet while I'm at it, why haven't you bought a Tesla yet?" crowd.
>>14274355
>lots of ff hondas
>cobalt (another ff)
>a fucking suv
>benz wagon
>some audi
...
>>14274457
That cobalt is pretty quick for fwd. Lots of Subaru's and miatas
>>14274377 I hardly ever see s2000's without hard tops and few clean miatas.
>>14274490
>>14274546
Audi/Benz guy might be interesting. Usually people buy luxury yurope cars for status, not to have fun with.
>>14274546
The suv trailers in a heavily modified mg
>>14274564
Unfortunately I only saved this pic but I'm sure reverse search will come up with the article, it's your average boring gramps Benz tuned to be really quick without looking race car-ish.
>>14274550
>for fwd
FWD is just as good as RWD
>>14274601
*If it has a good chassis.
iPhone 4
>>14274611
that goes without saying anon
>>14274355
The right hand side has a white 70 chevelle with a big block and a red 69 camaro.
>>14274601
He kicked my ass. Mostly with experience and tire.
I can't remember what class he ran but he has a n/a ss and it works great for autocross.
>>14274560
>muh bait pics
hello reddit
>>14274644
>tfw no autocross near your
>>14274645
>>14274644
SS Turbos are fucking fast, pretty sure it held a record for FF on Nurburgerking for several years.
>>14274680
>>14272067
>small,cheap,RWD coupe
Miata?
>>14274683
Noice. Anything faster besides the Type R?
>>14274692
>coupe
>Miata
I really don't want to be the contrarian faggot here, but I'd say the most important is the 2016 Viper ACR. In an age of unprecedented technology in sports cars - where the three biggest names on Earth are hybrids - an old school, straight out of Detroit track weapon crushed every record set before it. It proved that the old ways aren't dead yet. It means that there is still a place for what used to be.
>>14274697
Megane RS 275 Trophy, I think.
>>14274708
As awesome as the Viper is, I think a lot of it comes down to the completely fucking insane tires. 200 treadwear.
>>14274708
And then they killed it. Because it can't fit side curtain airbags.
>>14274228
>It's not an 86 at all, it's the new Celica.
BINGO
>>14274726
The tires only amount to so much. It's competing with cars that have active aero, carbon fiber everything, and designers that compete in F1.
>>14274734
Snek lives.
>>14274377
>and the majority of buyers wouldn't really care if it were FWD.
I doubt that. A majority of them have manual transmissions, which is unheard of in today's market. Especially so in the US.
>>14274228
>The real enthusiasts have shunned the car, and it's totally been bought up by non-enthusiasts who think it's cute and by people who use it as a fashion accessory
By real enthusiast you mean people on /o/? Every review on it, both professional and amateur have said its a fun car to drive. Sales don't mean anything either, just because people rather buy crossovers and pigfat muscle cars doesn't make it a bad car.
Maybe toyota or subraru should actually try to market the car, Lots of normies don't even now they exist.
>>14275064
Also the salesmen at the dealerships have no fucking clue what the car is, apparently.
>>14274919
>A majority of them have manual transmissions, which is unheard of in today's market. Especially so in the US.
>>14275082
Yeah, a majority. I'm willing to bet the Scion's higher auto sales is due to rental car companies buying the auto ones.
>>14275082
How many other cars sell 50/50 manual vs auto in the US?
>>14275064
Most people would rather just buy a used car for 1/2 the price with double the performance.
>>14275103
The only car I can think that has a better manual vs auto ratio would be the Fiesta ST.
And that's because it doesn't have an auto.
>>14274683
I love these troll posts
>>14275142
Focus ST is the same way, but they don't really count since no automagic option.
>>14272122
What the fuck
>Prius
>Tesla
>GTR
>Hellcat (marks Dodge/Chrysler turning around and IMO is the "pinnacle" of this era's horsepower wars)
>GT86
>>14272092
Yep. 2nd Gen 2004-05 Prius. 45-50mpg no matter what, tremendously practical, Stop/Start, Viable Hybrid System, Bluetooth, Backup Cameras, Keyless Entry/Start, Made the Hybrid go from a "hip/trendy car" to a regular fucking car that everyone from celebrities to white collar joe blow to ahmed the cab driver uses. Proved to the general public hybrids can be reliable cars.
>>14274228
The real enthusiasts in the market just proved why no car company actually listens to real enthusiasts. Because they'd rather buy X 5 year old sports car used after 50% depreciation from its original MSRP than a new GT86. Why else do you think Honda doesn't waste time on fun cars? Because HRVs/CRVs sell and S2000s don't.
>a70 supra
>3400-3500lbs with the body rigidity of a limp dick and shit-tier suspension
>closer to the gt86
you stupid or what
>>14275064
>By real enthusiast you mean people on /o/?
No. I work at a track-oriented performance shop, and because of that I'm at track days almost every weekend. I also go to some of the most popular canyon roads around, and have friends who are big into autocross. FR-Ses are rare at all three, and when I see one at the track it's generally a new owner, doing his first ever trackday, and they don't come back again. (Aside from a few shop or aftermarket manufacturer demo cars that are modded to hell.)
If they're not at the track, the canyons, or dodging cones, I don't know where enthusiasts are taking them. Standing around next to one with a vape while other parking lot denizens complement your fake Rocket Bunny kit doesn't make you an enthusiast in my book.
>>14275197
>The real enthusiasts in the market just proved why no car company actually listens to real enthusiasts.
I actually totally agree, which is why I say that it sets a bad trend, if anything. It's in a bad price bracket for the current economy, the people who can afford one as a second car and would otherwise be interested are wealthy enough to buy a faster, more expensive car, and people who want a brand new car but can only have one car are gravitating to more practical sporty cars like the WRX or the Ford STs.
As much as /o/ likes to argue over the Fiesta ST, I think it's a real sign of the future in the US, and isn't news at all in the UK and Europe. Take a practical, affordable daily driver, and add sportiness, and you end up with something that people will buy, because it's justifiable for them.
>>14275323
>As much as /o/ likes to argue over the Fiesta ST, I think it's a real sign of the future in the US, and isn't news at all in the UK and Europe. Take a practical, affordable daily driver, and add sportiness, and you end up with something that people will buy, because it's justifiable for them.
That's called a hot hatch and it's been around for a while m8
>>14275498
That's why I said it wasn't news to the UK or Europe.
Hot hatches are pretty much new to the US, the GTI is the only proper one that's ever been successful in the US. (Unless you count the MINI.)
>>14275531
Oh, Civic SIs and the CR-X too, I guess.
Still, compared to what Europe has had for decades, we've been sorely deprived.
>>14275142
>>14275172
But those are both trim levels of an existing model. Counting the base model sales the manuals would only account for a tiny percentage.
>>14274228
What's wrong with the Celica, faggot? Besides, the tC is the current base Celica ST/GT, and there is no Celica GT-Four. Any other interpretation is full-retard.
>>14274457
>I have no idea how autocross classes work
Benchracing on /o/, why am I not surprised.
>>14275323
>Take a practical, affordable daily driver, and add sportiness, and you end up with something that people will buy, because it's justifiable for them.
If you can only have one car, this is the only reasonable solution.
>>14274000
Wasted trips
>>14274502
>"I'm faster than you and I'm saving the planet while I'm at it, why haven't you bought a Tesla yet?" crowd.
Except that's true
A Telsa P85 is faster than 99% of cars owned by /o/ posters and depending on what sort of power plants provide electricity for the local grid, are "saving the planet"
>>14272067
Camry. Grounded to the ground, sells like nothing else. Cheap, reliable mass transportation.
Without trolling, gotta be the Tesla S, easy.
>>14274599
>fat tires sticking out past the body
>functional wing
Pretty obvious it's set up to go quick if you know what to look for. Thankfully it's not riced though.
>>14275565
It's a mediocre performance car with "sporty" styling and is mostly bought by teenage girls and 20-something guys who want to look like they drive a sports car but don't actually do anything with it, and a tiny minority of people who actually mod them up and use them for sporting purposes.
The Celica was always a standalone model, it was always a coupe, and it was always more expensive than a Corolla. It always performed better than your average daily driver, but worse than a real sports car. Early Celicas were RWD, too.
The FR-S is pretty much exactly a modern Celica. The tC is just a worthless shitpile that has no performance credibility at all and is a disgrace to the Celica line.
>>14274763
>The tires only amount to so much
Confirmed benchracer
Tires make or break the setup
>>14274484
fwd is better than rwd in rally so for all you know it could be
>>14275720
>hey guys autocross could be WRC
Do you read what you post?
>>14275581
>implying alphonse-posting is ever a waste of a post
>>14275570
they're split up because fwd cant compete with rwd?
>>14275748
You're just further proving you know jack shit
>>14275735
>alphonse
>EVER GOOD
end your life
>>14275748
Tbh, the classification system for SCCA autocross is autistic-level complicated.
For the most part it's not explicitly FWD vs RWD, cars are classed based on how fast they perform / are rated, and then based on how modified they are.
>>14274064
It also showed the world that the US government will subsidize the purchase of $100,000 luxury cars because it's "green."
the type R
Answer is obv an Elise or evora
>>14272067
Hard to say between the Toybaru Twins and the Leaf.
>>14276920
I haven't heard anything about the Leaf. What makes it so special between the Prius and the Tesla?
>>14276924
Fully electric like the Tesla, but at the econobox price of the Prius.
>>14272067
DaimlerChrysler developed RWD platform.
>>14276911
>Elise
Began production twenty years ago.
>>14272067
>cheap
At least $40k on the lot
No dealer ever will have a base manual on the lot.
Scion dealers love to buy loaded cars.
>>14277053
Where you live pham.
I just went over to a Toyota dealer yesterday. 3 of them were there, 2 had stickshifts. About 25k for two of them, and the TRD package one was about 27k.
Makes sense given >>14275082
>>14277053
>at least $40k
There isn't a single 86 fully loaded that costs anywhere near $40k. You're not seeing $40k unless you start going into TRD shit.
I seriously doubt any Scion FRS is going to be anywhere close to $40k. Even the BRZ won't cost that much and they're generally more than the FRS or 86
>>14277061
>Where you live pham.
Mid-Atlantic. Were they used or what?
>>14277063
Through the website i was able to get it up to $32k
Dealers then try to sell you a bunch more shit like interior lighting and TuRD shit as you say.
Source: bought a loaded tC.
>>14277071
Nope.
Just checked the website. I can get a new 2015 model for under 25k and a new 2016 for about 27k. If I leave it base, anyway. Pretty sure this is less expensive than an AE86 was if you account for inflation.
>>14277077
http://toyota.jp/86/grade/special/
This is the only 86 besides that club racer spec car that's $40k
>>14277100
Bruv i'm tellin you, dealership got parts not listed on the website. I was pressed in to spendin like 8 grand on struts, brake rotors, etc.
They made me look through on a tablet, 8 pages.
>>14277063
>>14277100
Have you considered that they might be raising the price due to your internet fame, tripfag?
>>14277105
> bruv
Faggot
I can't believe people responded to you.
Hook line and sinker
>>14277148
Cool down nigga.
>>14277078
>getting a car you can't afford
>7 fucking years of paying
are you americucks trying to cause some new global crisis or something?
>>14277106
I'm not the one buying it.
No wonder you yanks are in financial shit.
>>14277105
>struts, brakes rotors
That's just the TRD catalog
>>14277154
Well it's a Toyota so at least it will work for the next 7 years.
Also we love bankrupting Europe.
Fuckin white beaners
>>14277154
americans confirmed debtslaves
>>14277169
>doesn't buy GAP
Want out of debt? Total the car.
>>14277162
if yurop bankrupts, we just stop buying new stuff for a while and stick with old ones.
if US&A bankrupt, you're fucked cause you haven't even pay for stuff you own now
>>14277175
>you're fucked cause you haven't even pay for stuff you own now
If you buy something on a personal loan there's nothing that can be taken by the bank.
>>14277180
>money that bank gave me is mine cause they gave it to me. They wouldn't give me if they wanted it back, right? I dunno nothin
>>14277192
The money loaned on a personal loan isn't conditional, you can buy whatever you want with it in cash. The bank officially can't take anything back because it doesn't know what you bought. They just wipe out your credit score. Please learn how debt works.
Here's another classic
>China owns America from all the debt lol
No, most of the US debt is owed back to US Citizens in the form of social benefits.
>>14277173
Why don't all americans do it if it's so proffitable?
>>14277180
only if its unsecured and unsecured loans have higher interests rates
>get a car with an unsecured personal loan
>cant pay it because high interests
>has default
congrats
this is why america has AA credit rating instead of AAA
>>14277197
>No, most of the US debt is owed back to US Citizens in the form of social benefits
thats literally irrelevant because the amount of debt china holds is still fucking massive
>>14277202
because
>I DON'T NEED NO $7 A MONTH EXTRA ON THIS CAR
>I'LL NEVER GET INTO AN ACCIDENT
>AMERICAN CARS ALWAYS WORK LOL
I love my country but some people are too blind.
>>14277204
>only if its unsecured and unsecured loans have higher interests rates
true and banks also don;t give you that much.
>wanted $5k personal loan
>here's $3500 fuck you
>>14277207
>fucking massive
Not really. 1.2 trillion isn't even half of all the debt owed to all foreign countries.
>>14275197
The A70 was a decent car for its time and was under appreciated because of its price. It's technology was ahead of its time and is still a popular car. Decent examples with a turbo have been increasing in value while others are a decent choice for amateur driftang.
>>14277215
Also it should be said China owes the US about $750 billion, close to what the US owes China.
People need to stop falling for leftist memes.
>>14277197
[JUSTIFICATION OF CYCLE OF DEBTS INTENSIFIES]
>>14277077
Maybe by the time you are done financing it...
>>14277207
China has like $1.2 Trillion in US debt it's not that much considering Japan has nearly a trillion in US debt as well. Brazil and even Hong Kong have US debt in the hundreds of billions
>>14277232
>leftist memes.
>>14274708
all vipers should come with liability contracts for the drivers that'll crash em
infact make that the standard for all sport cars and maybe we can lose some of these stupid regulations and have fun again
>>14277162
You may want to look at international Debt, per capita, by GDP, by taxable income or time to repay, the USA is far higher than any country in the world bar Japan in all of these stats.
>>14276924
It's the best selling electric car in the US and the only affordable fully electric car on the market (along with its sister the Zoe)
>>14275197
>The real enthusiasts in the market just proved why no car company actually listens to real enthusiasts. Because they'd rather buy X 5 year old sports car used after 50% depreciation from its original MSRP than a new GT86. Why else do you think Honda doesn't waste time on fun cars? Because HRVs/CRVs sell and S2000s don't.
I guess that would make things kinda cyclic: "real enthusiasts" will buy used as much as they can, and firms won't cater to them because of that, until the used market runs dry, and then you get a renaissance of affordable enthusiast cars which will fuel the used market for another 20 years or so. Like how the 90s golden age of nip cars really set in when the well of cheap old muscle and British roadsters was starting to dry up.
Or at least, that would be a neat way of thinking about it. In reality, there's never really been a time when there haven't been at least a few very good, fun cars available new for relatively affordable prices. This one included.
>>14275323
The 86 is still a relatively new car. Wait a couple more years for people to really start racing them.
I've taken mine to the track, but I'm still making payments. I'm not going to modify mine until it's paid off.
>>14274042
I think the frs will be in production long enough to become cheap. Just like the miata.
>>14277045
It didnt really start til '01 ;)
I still think we should go by production not introduction. Since cars can change quite a bit in their lifetimes anyways.
Easily the Tesla Model S, not only because it demonstrated a viable electric-only drivetrain for the first time while outperforming many ICE vehicles, but also because of its groundbreaking capabilities in terms of post-release hardware and software upgrades, Tesla's efforts in creating practical charging technology and Tesla's willingness to operate in the public domain. Yes, it required a lot of public funding, but that doesn't change anything about its innovation.
>>14277397
If what he said was true then no one would buy ANY sports car brand new which is a retarded sentiment
Hopefully they keep making the FRS for the next five years, I'll wait to get one until I move out of the city and buy a truck. I don't wanna settle for some used boy raced beat to shit one.
>>14277443
Paid cash for mine but I'm not going to do anything to impact on the 5 year warrantee as that's a major part of buying a new car.
Prius was the most important of the past 15yrs. Proved that hybrids could be profitable and attractive to the masses.
Tesla is becoming most important by pushing electric tech in cars while still being sexy. If they can make it slightly more affordable to get it to the everyday middle class it is golden. The name recognition gives it the advantage over the leaf.
Everybody's favorite celebs drive Teslas, the Leaf/Volt are good cars but just aren't as desirable or recognizable
Prius
in another 10 years itll be Tesla
no other car even comes close to being "important"
>>14274708
ACR is a dedicated borderline racecar
its not even impressive that it can beat hypercars with luxuries
its just the swan song of some outdated garbage
>>14278160
Got a good head on your shoulders. These are the correct answer.
Additionally the FRS/BRZ is not the "savior" it will be discontinued in the next 6 years and become the new 240sx. The Miata will be fine because Miatas gonna Miat.
Also the new NSX won't have a production run longer than 7 years.
>>14277239
>[JUSTIFICATION OF CYCLE OF DEBTS INTENSIFIES]
I'm not justifying it however some people need to get off their fat lazy asses and find a job instead of collecting government money.
>>14277246
That's all US foreign debt is: memes.
>>14277357
>the USA is far higher than any country in the world bar Japan in all of these stats.
Yes and? Once again, over half the debt is owed to American citizens.
>>14279450
>Once again, over half the debt is owed to American citizens.
If you include that debt the USA has bigger debts than even Japan. Face the fact your nation is living on money borrowed from stronger economies like China, Spain and Greece.
>>14276924
It's pushing BEV's limits harder than any other car on the market in terms of market share, efficiency, reliability and affordability. Basically it is doing everything Tesla claim to be trying to do, but successfully and without spending 95% of the budget on PR.
>>14279562
>Face the fact your nation is living on money borrowed from stronger economies like China, Spain and Greece.
Actually not really.
>If you include that debt the USA has bigger debts than even Japan.
Still waiting for you to try and figure out why this is or is actually not a problem.
>>14279597
Yes it is a reality, are you a bad troll or very stupid? If the latter I'll explain google to you and you can look up the economic problems of high levels of debt with low GDP growth.
>>14279562
HAHAHA HAHA I ALMOST HAD A SEIZURE LAUGHING THIS HARD
>>14279622
>Yes it is a reality
No, you look at a number and think you know what it means. You clearly don't from what you've posted so far.
>If the latter I'll explain google
>muh google
>muh GDP
What you don't understand is that national, not personal, debt is a tool used by literally every country. A country that has a balanced budget is a country that isn't actually working.
Here's a good readup from an actual economist in case you don't get it.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/21/opinion/paul-krugman-debt-is-good-for-the-economy.html
Finally, even if we did owe Choina 14 trillion dollars (we don't), they can't call us on it anyway.
>>14279597
Lists economies controlled by the US and bankrupt countries. You forgot to mention Italian economy is stronger tha. The US. That's an important one
>>14279658
>Lists economies controlled by the US
Us isn't communist so the US government doesn't control any economy.
>You forgot to mention Italian economy is stronger tha. The US.
Gunna need a citation on that one buddy.
>>14279676
U are a mental disabled. I understand it's hard to read sarcasm but. Italy is bankrupt and nobody there works what citation do I need 30 percent of the country are politicians. The US dollar is good everywhere. You hear anybody accept only hap dollrs yen or w.e
>>14279687
>>14279676
Trawllin'
>>14279699
CYKA BLYAT
