Why does /o/ like to hate on this car?
It's the revival of the cheap 90s japanese sports car, and you fags are shitting on it. Haters should be ashamed, Do you want boring econoboxes?
Its not supposed to be the fastest car of the line, its an supposed to be an entry level sports car. 0-60 in the mid 6s in fine for what it is
>>14209122
>scion
That car is a boring econobox in a RWD platform you fool. It isn't cheap either. It's a meme car for tards like you or the best shit box commuter you can buy new. It is not even a decent entry level sports car by any metric. Buy a used car that doesn't suck you fool.
>>14209122
>inb4 underpowered
>inb4 y no turbo
>in b4 meemyata
>>14209122
>being this mad about a bunch of shit throwing internet monkeys not liking your dream car.
Get over it. /o/ hates everything
>It's the revival of the cheap 90s japanese sports car.
You make it sound like its a good thing
>>14209122
because
>boxter i4 2.0l NATURALLY ASPIRATED 170HP at the wheels for a $40k car is horse shit
And has the interior worse than a Hyundai
>>14209122
>Spending $27,000 on a car with 200hp and 151 lb-ft torque
Its the best shitbox but it's the shittiest sports car buy every you idiot. Enjoy getting raped by 3k cars.
>>14209140
>30-50grand
>cheap
I also fail too see how its a good thing
at least real carfags are gutting them and putting in the 4pot turbo
>>14209122
>Why does /o/ like to hate on this car?
because it is the worst bang for the buck new car you could buy. stop buying into the rwd meme faggot
>>14209150
>>14209149
This
>>14209122
It's an epic meme to hate on it, a few people genuinely hate it but the rest that are true enthusiasts appreciate that it exists.
Who cares what people think anyway? Get over it and like what you like.
>>14209161
>spending alot of money for 170rwhp and 143lbft in 2016
Holy fuck you could buy so much so much with that.
Like i immediately bought a 4k ls1 shitbox just last year and slapped a maffless tune on it bam 200rwhp up to 350hp+ with only otr tune and exhaust
And it can turn AND its comfitable
>>14209122
>It's the revival of the cheap 90s japanese sports car
except it failed at that
>>14209160
>that torque curve
I shit you not when this car came out I went to a dealer and they wouldn't even let me test drive it because it is a "future collector car." The thing has fake fucking plastic vents for gods sake. Its a sports car for people who have never owned a proper sports car. If you want a nice looking RWD commuter power to you but pretending this car is anything less is retarded.
>>14209169
>New vs used
>>14209169
>And it can turn
>ls1
>can turn
lel
I agree but it's almost as much fun to shitpost about as it is to drive, so here we are.
>>14209150
If you're comparing to used cars then you could at least state the correct used price of an FR-S. More like $16-$18k with a clean title and under 40k miles.
>>14209185
>Used Toyobarus are still 3x as much as a better car
>>14209178
this my busted old 190rwhp falcon could outpull one they where the most gutless pos ever
>>14209185
Oh cool ill just go buy a frustbang for $30k
>>14209186
Ls1's are light you dumb fuck 200kg max and its sitting well behind the front wheels
Yeah, you should buy a used car, but what are tomorrow's driving enthusiasts going to be lusting after for a good used platform? It's either a used modern muscle, a shite korean coupe, or a 40 year old 90's mobile.
Your children will thank Toyobaru for making this.
>>14209149
>>14209154
where you fuck are you niggers pulling these numbers from
>>14209192
>cars that come with an ls1 stock
>light
holy kek
>>14209197
FROM THE FUCKING DYNO SHEETS
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=ft86+stock+dyno
>>14209199
do you even 90s gm?
>>14209190
No I'm saying at any price point you can buy a car that is far better. Stop being a cuck to toyuburu and buying their shitty engined car you idiot. Demand a turbo.
This car is an econobox in RWD trim. The end.
>>14209205
apparently its the most uncomfitable car to daily and everyone just seems to own them for a little while get sick of them then sell them
>>14209203
I think he means the idea that a BRZ is somehow $40-$50k
>>14209203
im talking about the costs
its 30k tops, its not 40-50k
>>14209203
>90's cars that come with an ls1 stock
>light
>being able to turn
>>14209215
whut you buttmad my 1.6tonne beast can kick your ass in the twisties?
>>14209215
>>14209212
we dont all pay merricanfag pricing do we oi cunts ai?
>>14209205
>This car is an econobox in RWD trim
And does /o/ not love cars like that? This is why I don't get all the hate for it
>>14209222
>1.6 tonne
>light
>comparing GM mullet/catfishmobiles to a new toyobru
Kind of a pointless comparison, they're 2 completely different vehicles.
You can get a used monster truck for the price of a used toyobru too...
>>14209225
No, the hate is calling it a proper sports car and comparing to, idk, anything with a real engine that doesn't blow. Faggots here and irl think just because it is RWD it isn't just as gay as a honda. For reference, see the miatafags.
>>14209205
>This car is an econobox in RWD trim.
So it's the same as what /o/ constantly shits itself over and praises on a daily basis.
>>14209225
no
not everyone on /o/ is an autistic 16 year old
>>14209228
>>14209228
>You can get a used monster truck
And?
Merrica
>>14209231
No one is saying it isn't a cool shitbox. It just is a horrible value and is a terrible sports car. /o/ doesn't know the difference. Like miata owners.
>>14209228
>You can get a used monster truck for the price of a used toyobru too...
for real?
where?
>>14209230
Sports cars aren't defined by monstrous power numbers though. They CAN have them but it's not a requirement in the least.
I also appreciate that the base twins come with everything you need to have fun. You can up-option them, sure, but any car marketed as a sports car shouldn't have to option in an LSD. Looking at you Mazda and Nissan.
I don't think the FR-S or it's sister car would be my first choice if I went out and bought a new car tommorow, truth be told I'd be looking at a 13-14 Mustang GT most likely...but I do appreciate the toybaru for what it is. Silly that they didn't go with a better motor or at least a turbo setup? Sure, but it's not a deal breaker.
So what IS a better RWD sporty coupe thats come out recently at the same ~30k pricepoint?
Since the gt86 is daily driveable, this excludes the new miata.
You just end up looking at muscles, don't you?
>>14209244
>Sports cars aren't defined by monstrous power numbers though.
The 1990's called, they want you to return. If someone wishes to pay more for less based on meme car weight and looks power to them but the fact they get ass raped on resell should tell you something
>>14209134
>with inflation it's cheaper than the original corolla.
>poor fags always gonna be poor
OP it's a great, cheap, easy to mod platform. Only jelly poorfags cry about it. The same faggots who will buy a used one when they are $5k.
>>14209241
holy shit you can actually get a monster truck for the price of a toyobaru
http://www.racingjunk.com/Monster-Truck/182616588/FRESH-AND-READY-FOR-FIRST-QUARTER.html
why would anyone buy a toyobaru over this?
>>14209273
What do the 90's have to do with it? That's been true for the better part of a century. Sports cars need to be able to handle, not necessarily haul ass in a straight line. If they can do both, great, but when your car does everything you pay for everything.
>>14209241
I meant to say new toyobru, but yeah.
'murrica
http://www.racingjunk.com/Monster-Truck/182616588/FRESH-AND-READY-FOR-FIRST-QUARTER.html
>>14209274
>what is the current competition
the car is shit you idiot compared to what you can buy. and that is fact.
>$5k
Yeah, i'd buy one for that. Not 27k new.
>>14209282
>http://www.racingjunk.com/Monster-Truck/182616588/FRESH-AND-READY-FOR-FIRST-QUARTER.html
>maintenance, warranty, cost of repairs, street legal etc etc etc
![funny-pictures-auto-452712[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/hEakJ1i.jpg "funny-pictures-auto-452712[1].jpg")
>>14209274
pic related
>>14209270
>370z
>miata
b-but not daily
get a hardtop cuck
>>14209122
Just jelly poorfags who don't mind wasting hours fixing their used crapboxes.
If you're not poor and don't like buying domestic or don't need AWD or don't want a convertible or don't want FWD its the best choice.
>>14209284
>Sports cars need to be able to handle, not necessarily haul ass in a straight line.
Said nobody since the 1990's besides miatafags.
Face it, what you have stated hasn't been true for two decades. The BRZ is 20 years too late to matter. You can call it a sports car but that just makes it the slowest one availible with the worst bang for the buck.
>>14209287
Name MORE than 1 new car that you can get at that price that is
>faster
>rwd
>with warranty
>>14209290
>370Z
what if you could be sporty and not slower than my 1995 sedan?
>>14209290
objectively this although the new miata and mustang 4banger shit over the ft86
>>14209291
>Said nobody
lel
cant turn barges are not sports cars
>>14209292
Your point is irrelevant. That car is STUPID to buy new. It is a horrible value. To argue otherwise is asinine. Just look at the depreciation.
>>14209294
gross, who would want a 370z?
>>14209299
Guarantee my car cost less, is far fucking faster, and handles even better than a toyubura.
Buy a used car that doesn't suck. My car was like new and I didn't take the 35,000 depreciation hit. Shop around retard.
>>14209300
How is it horrible value? Name more than one car, new, you can get for the price?
>comparing brand new cars to used shit boxes
>being this much of a cuck
It's a $26k, rwd, great handling, easily modable, reliable car. What's the problem? Because you can get a shitty car from 20 years ago for less?
>>14209302
the toyobaru owner when he gets overtaken by one
>>14209122
It's literally a modernized S13. If /o/ existed in the early 90's they'd cry about the S13 for all the same reasons they do the Toyobaru.
>>14209292
There's the Genesis coupe, but dick windows and >hyundai are deal breakers for me.
>>14209300
>buying cars for the next owner
That's like not having sex with your girlfriend so her next boyfriend can enjoy her more.
>>14209122
I don't mind the car in my eyes even the Prius is algud mate, someone's gotta own these cars I mean shit people buy worse cars new, I need em so I can keep me cars drinkn that dinosaur fuel and most people here don't have money to buy a 500$ car let alone a new one to each their own bruv
>>14209306
>you cant buy used cars that can turn
stop posting any time
>>14209287
>>14209289
The miata is barely faster the frs, but the frs is a little more practical, Is that not not a fair trade off?
There's not many cars to compare to, because not too many of them exist nowadays
>>14209300
You could say that about a lot of cars, like the bmw 8 series. So what?
>>14209307
That car is a terrible purchase new. That is the point. Throw 5k more at it and get a 370Z or buy a Focus ST. Or don't be a tard and buy a certified pre-owned.
>easily modable
lol to make what 210hp nigga pls. car is slow. slow cars suck. it's like i'm arguing with a christfag
>>14209308
I love the 370, but it's a shit car to mod. The ONLY mod worth a damn is turbos. And then your engine will blow. It's OKAY stock for $30k, but it's shit to mod.
>>14209311
the s13 had a proper turbo option
>>14209320
Not in the US
>>14209308
Who gets mad at being overtaken? wut
>>14209319
>mfw you can make 400 crank N/A without too much money
>shit to mod
>>14209313
22k. 330hp. bought from a bmw autist who didn't put a scratch on it.
Enjoy your shitbox in disguise while the rest of us enjoy real sports cars
>>14209318
>focus ST
>better
LOLOLOOOLOOOOLOLOOLOL you fucking FWD cuck. The focus ST is as good as it will ever be. The FRS is a platform to modify. The 370 only takes to turbos and building the engine. Other wise it's maxed out. AND the FRS is cheaper. SO again, it's decent value for money. Stop being ass blasted mad.
>huuuurrrr 0-60 is errrthing!
>I is a spic nigger who thinks 1/4 is da best!!!
>>14209322
>25 years
lel
>>14209326
>400 crank
>325 wheel
>made up numbers
>>14209327
could have had a mazdaspeed NC/10
>>14209318
Are you a pro race car driver? Your sound like a really fast and cool guy.
>>14209329
>The FRS is a platform to modify.
If you hate money and want no return on investment.
Why do I argue with poor people who can't afford a decent car?
>>14209340
Cuz u r poor cuck boy nigger fag dick sucker bitch
>>14209340
>car
>modified
>investment
Why are you even here?
>poor people
>370 vs FRS
>5k difference
LOL you are a moron.
>>14209334
>implying I ever mentioned anything about "325 wheel"
the VQ37 makes 330-350
google about how easy it is to get to 400 crank
>>14209340
>modifying cars
>return on investment
I KNOW WHAT I GOT NO LOWBALLERS
>>14209339
No I just don't want to buy a 27k car and sell it for 18k in a year. Can you into depreciation?
>>14209338
Slow. Also shit interior.
>>14209344
Enjoy your toyubura fag i'll be waiting at the end of the togue for you
>>14209346
Dumb. Pissing away mod money is different from pissing away car money. Tell me more poorfag.
>the car needs more power
>"no it doesnt"
>ok, there are similar options that make more power
>"you can modify it to make more power"
which one is it
>>14209349
Nice made up depreciation numbers.
>>14209347
>400 crank
>made up number since no one has an engine dyno outside factories
>vq37
>forums have everyone dynoing at under 300 to wheels
>fucking moron
>>14209349
Do you even own a car?
>>14209349
ok
could have had a type s s2000/10
>>14209349
Why would you sell a car so soon after buying it?
>>14209357
What does that have to do with anything? My bus is still faster than your Toyobaru.
>>14209349
>pissing away mod money is different
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL Top cuck here. AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAha.
>id rather waste money on something that will void my warranty than buy a new car with a 5 year warranty and lose 10%
Fucking idiot.
>>14209352
It has enough power to be fun but was designed to be a good platform to modify (low weight, perfect driving position)
>>14209365
You're a wiki enthusiast. Fuck off kid
>>14209355
Have you seen what they resell for? Face it, even a hondafag gets bored of a slow ass BRZ in a year.
>>14209357
Yes, a proper sports car.
>>14209359
>200hp vs 330hp
S2k is nice but they are outdated. If honda made a new one i'd buy one with cash. They are fun cars but they belong to the collectors, and I'm just not a honda collector. Great cars tho. I had a friend with one and they truely are a sports car in the purest sense. Raw.
>>14209356
>made up number
its ok, I understand you didn't know engine dynos exist
>all these toyuburu fags
You are the same faggots in /dbt/ who try to say their 250 is just as good as a litre bike because of muh handling. Pathetic
>>14209373
Name one shop that does engine dyno's outside the factory or race car companies.
OHHHH you cant, because no fucking shop has an ENGINE dyno
>made up numbers
>stock 370 hitting 270-280whp and weighs 3,400 lbs
>>14209381
Westech Mira Loma ca
>>14209366
I don't even understand your autistic comment.
>>14209386
>Westech Mira Loma ca
Okay show the 370 hitting 400 hp on there.
>>14209367
>It has enough power to be fun
That is a matter of opinion. And very few who have owned a car that is faster would agree.
>designed to be a good platform to modify
Not the engine.
Tell me anon. What is the fastest car you've owned? Why would you ever own a slower car?
>>14209381
You fucking idiot.
>>14209386
>implying that isn't a race company who wouldn't waste the time on a stock 370
>>14209381
>>14209390
you are retarded kid
go away
>>14209392
> I have no proof of 400 crank on an NA z for less than modding an FRS
>everyone else is an idiot
>>14209380
Argh bikefags have to put up with learners too?
At least we can agree these sorts of fags are the worst
>>14209393
It isn't? You dumb fucking prick
>>14209394
>can't prove numbers
>hurrrr you dumb
>I is right cuz internet!!!!!
>da 370z hits 400 crankl with simple mods!!!!!
>it's cheaper to get 400 crank from a 370 than to buy an frs
>I have all this proof I just don't want to show you!!!!
If the toybaru was what it is now but started at 22,500 it would be absolutely wonderful. As is, for the price it is, it really is hard to justify against some of it's competition, new or used.
>>14209122
because toyota cucked them by not making it $1000 with 500hp
>>14209403
Then show the 370z hitting 400crank. Or are we going to keep moving the goal post?
>>14209410
exactly the 4cyl frustbang owns this car and has better mod support AND ITS CHEAPER
>>14209421
yeah, but then you own a mustang 4cyl......ewwwww....
>>14209410
Less than $3000 really makes that much of a difference to you?
>>14209400
You anon, you're okay in my book. You don't have to be the fastest but there is a damn minimum level. They'll grow up and look back and wonder how did I live before feeling this speed. As we all have.
>>14209419 suck it
![IMG_1675copy[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/4U18dmT.jpg "IMG_1675copy[1].jpg")
>>14209405
the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence, cosworth for example makes a shitloads of parts for the VQ engines
we are talking about cosworth here, if you belive cosworth dont test their parts on an engine dyno you are beyond fucking stupid
stay mad the toyobaru is worse than the 370
>>14209122
Fucking overpriced weak shit. If it was $10, 000 and came with a turbo and 600hp it would've been perfect.
>>14209423
But then you can v8 swap it or better yet add so much boost you blow it up!
>>14209434
this
>>14209440
>I can't prove shit so I'll keep talking out of my ass
The frs is a car you buy to either DD or modify. The 370 is a car you buy maxed out from the factory. Sorry you're too fucking dumb to realize that nissan has built shit engines the last 15 years. The Z car died with the 300zx TT.
>350z garbage tier
>370z garbage that cost more than everything in it's class while being slower
>>14209423
I really like the idea of a 4 banger mustang actually, mostly just because I like I4 RWD's and they're pretty rare. But I just couldn't do it. If that was the only option I'd even be okay with it but knowing I can get a V8 instead kills my desire to get the ecoboost no matter how cool the idea is to me.
>>14209424
That's a pretty healthy price cut. It's not like it's a bad car, just a little too much for what it is. In my opinion anyways.
>>14209464
>its slow so i can mod it
Goddamn benchracer mentality.
>>14209470
>I like to pay $5-$10k more to have a car that can't be modified for less than $20k
>I like a car a the highest end in it's class to be slower than everything
>I think light, rwd, fun cars are shit
>I hate that I can get a fun rwd car with tons of mod potential for less than the nissan cuck car
>I can't wait for the Z to become a cross over
>>14209470
children. one day they'll know. do you ride?
>>14209122
It's underpowered - it has a laughable torque curve
It has prius tires.
It sounds like a tractor at idle be lolboxer
It's slower than some minivans.
It's like an eclipse. It 'looks' fast but in reality its slow as shit.
If subaru made an STI version of the 86 I would probably change my opinion of it
>>14209482
>things people who can't afford the cars they shitpost about say
please. tell me more what you would do if you had money. meanwhile i'll look at what real people do
>>14209464
The 300zx was a pigfat dick handling boat, as much as I love it.
>>14209464
>The 370 is a car you buy maxed out from the factory
uwot? The 370Z is far from beiing maxed out from the factory.
>>14209487
>It's like an eclipse.
That is an insult anon. I had a 200hp/200tq eclipse turbo from 1991. Do not compare an eclipse to the modern $27,000.00 toyubura.
>>14209491
>hurrr everything is a 120hp miata!!!!!!
Who still falls for the pig fat meme?
>13 sec 1/4 in 1989
>top speed of over 190
>amazing track car with tons of wins
>hurrrr piggg fat 4 chan 4 lfe!!!!!
Idiot.
>>14209501
My mistake, Anon. I take back what I said about the eclipse, I hope you didn't take it too personally
>>14209496
>only turbo or SC can really make any power
>over 400whp you have to build engine, new injectors, fuel pump, intake, ecu etc.
LOL okay. You clearly don't own a 370. I do. They are maxed from the factory for the most part.
>>14209228
>drive stock LS1 T/A
>shit on a manual 350z at maybe half-throttle
>>14209215
you fags really underestimate the handling abilities of a fbody 4th gen. they are above average. it is very fun around corners. and not just drifting either, it actually grips nicely
![556296[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/c9MQQdA.jpg "556296[1].jpg")
>>14209464
>I can't prove shit so I'll keep talking out of my ass
lel, suck it
have a detailed super street article of a cossie VQ build
they make way over 400 hp at the crank, and test it in an engine dyno
http://www.superstreetonline.com/features/news/sccp-0807-all-motor-vq35de-top-shop-challenge/
inb4 more butthurt and straw grasping
>The frs is a car you buy to either DD or modify. The 370 is a car you buy maxed out from the factory.
lel
keep being mad and talking out of your ass, see the above super street article
>350z garbage tier
>370z garbage that cost more than everything in it's class while being slower
lel
so many sour grapes :^)
how does it feel that the succesor of the g37 will have a 400 hp v6 ?
![5fe6525ce61c470f4ad2d262c9dadd13417cb910a879ad8768b7135b938a4b37_1[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/lZruPq5.jpg "5fe6525ce61c470f4ad2d262c9dadd13417cb910a879ad8768b7135b938a4b37_1[1].jpg")
>>14209522
>le 4th gen can turn meme
>>14209513
>you dont need new injectors, pump, intake mainfold, exhaust, pistons or rods, ecu in a 400 hp toyobaru
how delusional
>>14209513
>>only turbo or SC can really make any power
>>over 400whp you have to build engine, new injectors, fuel pump, intake, ecu etc.
Wow. It's almost as if it's just like every other engine in production cars today
>>14209528
>I don't actually own a car but here's an article I found when I was riding the bus the other day
>>14209540
>this is the best he could come up with
kek
how does it feel to be getting completly BTFO kiddo?
>>14209528
>super street
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA OMG really?
>" By adding 6mm of stroke, Cosworth had to increase the journal offset radius by 3mm."
>thinks this is "cheap"
Are you fucking retarded? They have to change the bore and storke to even do that. That's easily $10g in parts and labor. Confirmed 16 years old.
>>14209537
.....that's the point......the Z is maxed from the factory.....Moving on now.....
why are americans so cucked?
>>14209560
By your definition you're implying there's no room for improvement on the Z of which there is loads.
>>14209556
>super street is not legit because I say so
lel so much asshurt. damn
there is another motoIQ article about that build but I can only find part 1, google it
>Are you fucking retarded? They have to change the bore and storke to even do that. That's easily $10g in parts and labor. Confirmed 16 years old.
lel silly kid, just because they use an specific kit on that build doesnt mean you need to follow that build step by step
you can buy a bolt on stroker kit for a VQ engine, that doesnt require any major work, you dont need to change the bore or get new cylinder liners if you are just changing the stroke
you asked for "proof" of a tuning house using an engine dyno to get to 400 hp N/A on a VQ, I provided it, now fuck off kiddo
>>14209535
>>le 4th gen can turn meme
it's not a meme, its actually a very competent, well handling vehicle
it's slightly heavy which you can feel, but it loves to find traction and absolutely eats corners
mostly due to the engine. RWD torque just points the car where you want it.
>>14209595
>>14209587
>just because you have to spend MINIMUM $10k on your 370z and completely modify the engine into a new engine makes it totally not maxed from the factory.
How far can you move the goal post before you realize you are a fucking idiot?
I asked for proof of a 370z hitting 400 crank with normal mods, not designing a whole new engine you fuck ass.
>the miata hits 500whp once you swap in a turbo LS.
>>14209608
>you dont have to spend minimum 10k to make 400 hp out of a turbo toyobaru
lel this dumb faggot
> asked for proof of a 370z hitting 400 crank with normal mods, not designing a whole new engine you fuck ass.
except you dont need to design a new engine faggot, you are just butthurt you got btfo lel
read the article and you will understand why the custom work
>>14209587
>400 hp stroked NA VQ
>fully fucking built
>450HP+ stock displacement NA LS1
>cam and tune
>>14209630
>cars equipped with an LS1 stock
>being able to turn
pick 1
>>14209607
>i've never driven a modern muscle car
sorry about your miata
>>14209641
I've never driven a lolcantturn solid rear axle catfish/fireturd
thank god
>sorry about your miata
its ok, no need to get butthurt about it
>>14209636
>cars equipped with an N/A VQ
>being able to accelerate
>>14209627
>http://www.superstreetonline.com/features/news/sccp-0807-all-motor-vq35de-top-shop-challenge/
>bored, stroked, 100 octane fuel, displacement, rod length, modified journal, compression ratio, cylinder heads CNC ported,
Yeah totally the same engine. Do you have downs?
>this is a $30k build with labor minimum.
>>14209660
>I've never driven a lolcantturn solid rear axle catfish/fireturd
you've never had fun in a car before
>>14209294
Discontinued son
>>14209665
lol someone is mad about not being able to turn
http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/willow-springs
>almost 100 hp more
>.2 faster
literally lolcantturn
>>14209687
Either you can read or you're retarded
>>14209676
what a dumb dumb
they are building it for a competition that regulates certain parameters
I told you to google the MotoIQ articles of that engine, but you are too fucking stupid and butthurt to do that
>>14209693
>production cars
>fast
pick one cucks. stop bench racing
>>14209327
They are 50k+ in australia
>>14209711
Damn. Makes sense though. There are under 4k Z4M Roadsters in the US and even fewer coupes. You Aussies really do get fucked on cars. Your import taxes are absurd.
>>14209704
Jesus Christ just keep moving that goal post. Here moron, show me a STOCK BLOCK, na 370z doing 400hp like you claimed. Or just keep changing the argument to suit your bullshit.
![nissan-370z_100467402_h[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/qBDihSk.jpg "nissan-370z_100467402_h[1].jpg")
>>14209732
>mad at facts
the nismo vq37 makes 350hp N/A, with a bigger camshaft, higher comp pistons, pulleys and perhaps a cosworth intake it will make 380-390 easily
that article was about an engine being built for a competition under certain regulations, so thats why they had to do all that work
cosworth makes all these parts for the VQ and, as show by the links, they use an engine dyno to develop the parts
stay mad FRS fangirl :^)
Let me run down the reasons why /o/ shits on the gt86
It's underpowered, its slow as fuck and expensive, like other anons said its a rwd camry/rwd wrx in all the wrong ways, you be better off buying any of the miatas, hell if you want a good sporty car, the nc is better than this half assed shit. Its pretty much a feels car.
You guys are actually all so fucking autistic you should kill yourselves.
Anyone who hates the 86 for reason like cost or muscle car is a retard crying for others to not like things they like.
Shit like the RCF deserves hate because it's shit at what it does and more expensive and inferior than the competition (M4 etc).
What about the 86? It's fucking perfect at what it does. It's meant to be low powered, RWD, and fun to drive. If you want it to be fast then fuckin mod it yourself
You know that car that gets its dick sucked by everyone? The Cayman? It's literally the only car with a similar driving feel. 1 fucking second faster at 2.5x the cost and then maintenance. Is it worth?
Poorfags crying about the cost are literally the car "enthusiasts" that never buy shit which makes companies focus more on shitboxes for normies. If all you sour grape niggers actually paid for sports cars im sure it could be 20k because they have more sales to offset the R&D costs
>>14209784
>it's shit at what it does and more expensive and inferior than the competition
So the Toyobaru.
![tumblr_inline_nu71zn6e3I1red24s_500[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/kHCGNQq.jpg "tumblr_inline_nu71zn6e3I1red24s_500[1].jpg")
>>14209784
>doesnt know toyota makes a 20k FRS for the japanese market and still profits from it
>>14209793
checkmate gaytheists
dont mind me just saving the actual entry level sports car segment
>>14209814
that looks like shit
>>14209822
t.mad toyobaru fangirl
>>14209830
Non toyobaru retard here to say that anon is right, that does look like shit. Well... The back mostly
>>14209122
/o/ hates any car they can't afford.
>>14209729
Worth the price of admission
>for now
there was talk of lowering/killing all that stupid red tape but i doubt it, doesnt seem to be much point as we dont make anything anymore anyway
>>14209447
>Fucking overpriced weak shit. If it was $10, 000 and came with a turbo and 600hp it would've been perfect.
underrated post ;)
>>14209205
>This car is an econobox in RWD trim
...which is why it's a step in the right direction.
>>14209300
>>14209292
>name more than 1 new car that competes at this particular price point
>i can't
>even though I've just proved the other anon right, the car is still stupid to buy new because reasons
Accept that there will be a segment of a market that this car suits. (it's not even me, I'm just amazed how stubborn you're being)
>>14209340
>platform to modify
>poor people
You do realise those two will never go hand in hand right?
cmon man it's like you're not even trying
>>14209992
>econobox in RWD trim
if only all manufacturers offered a rwd trim on econoboxes
>>14209292
Any of the muscle cars
>>14209122
Not reall a revival of 90's sports cars.
The 90's was all about turbos and rwd with I4's and I6's. This has some shitty na subaru engine with no potenial. It'd be a good base chassis for building up a nice engine to drop in their but why would you bother when you can just buy anything from the 90's for much cheaper and a mich more established aftermarket. One day when it's cheaper it'll be a good little shitbox, but at the moment it's just like a hardtop mx5 with a sideways fuck face engine lol ringlands
>>14210096
>The 90's was all about turbos
There were plenty of na Silvias/180sxs, Skylines, Supras, Zs, GTOs etc to go around. Plus Honda and muh vtec
FD was the only one to be turbo only
>>14210113
And nobody buys them because they're shit and slow. If it wasn't for p plate laws here the only reason to buy one would be to do an engine swap and fuck off the shitty n/a cars.
Z's are slow as fuck n/a
Skylines are slower than camrys n/a
Supra's are slow and pigfat without that tt goodness
GTO's are a kekmobile
S chassis are probably the most modyfied cars in the world, and the only people who buy n/a are the ones who got stuck with a ka24 or couldn't afford a turbo.
>implying ff is related to 90's rwd
>>14209757
Not everyone wants a miata
You know the 86 is a great car when it's been out for almost 4 years and /o/ still has huge threads arguing about it almost daily. This car will be considered a classic in the future, and all the poorfags will just complain about not being able to find a stock one with a manual transmission.
>>14209421
Only true in the US, 4banger stang starts at 5k more in the UK.
>>14209122
I would already own one if it had a Toyota badge in the states. I'm not degrading myself to buy anything with a badge for a brand marketed toward children.
>>14210669
Buy a BRZ then
>>14209421
>buying american shit
>ever
>>14209175
At least it doesn't look like an obese, pig-faced mother of 7
>>14210677
Still a childish brand.
>>14209122
Bait thread pls go, you know you just want a shit storm regardless of tour feelings on the car.
I like them but theyre awfully slow. Ive beat them 0 to 75 to get on the freeway many times.
Miata is significantly faster.
If you're a enthusiast looking for a car you can comfortably daily, for affordably money, you really can't do better. (I really don't get the hot hatch thing.)
But if you're willing to compromise a bit on practicality, the ND Miata is a better car in every way, especially perceived quality and looks, for similar money. If you can give up on rear seats, then get the Miata.
>>14210719
OP here honestly not trying to bait
I just don't see why people are holding this car to such a double standard. Everyone is complaining about it being to slow when its barely slower than the new miata, which everyone loves. Being slightly more slow for being more practical is a fair trade.
>it's like the 90s revival!
Maybe they should start making huge car phones
and Tandy 486 computers again and price them the same as smartphones/modern comps
>wow these are shit
>but they would be pretty good if it was the early 90s!
>>14209753
>thinks all those mods are normal or cheap
Kid. Please go.
>>14209122
> Revival
Wot
>>14209154
I'd like to see where you found an FT86 for 50,000.
>>14210789
Go away heartbreaker you one of the biggest fags on this board
Im still asspained about you calling me a redditor just because I like the frs
>>14210789
I think he means the concept of the small cheap light car, instead of the more expensive, faster models that are available today.
>>14209134
So were most of the 90s RWD shitboxes. Why do people suddenly forget when the 86 gets brought up that shit like S chassis cars and shit had even less horsepower.
>>14210789
>even in the day of the tandy 1000 there were idiots trying to make rounded corners happen when sharp corners work so much better
>>14209122
personally I don't have an issue with it, but it's just not enough hp. 200 is pretty weak. It needed an sti version from the factory the day it came out with a turbo. It really is "slow" by todays standards.
owners are mostly faggots
>>14211074
>sti version
Then the msrp will be well over $30+ grand and you cherry picking fucktards will complain its too over priced.
>>14211074
All the 90s cars that it is emulating had less than 200HP as well. Stop pushing this idea that every car needs 350+ HP.
>>14211159
And if the twins had come out in the 90's, they'd probably weigh about 500 pounds less too. There's a reason everything has so much more power now than 20 years ago and it's not just because it's more fun. It's because it's necessary to get all that extra weight around. Everything is heavier. That's why something like the new Miata is so cool to see.
But the biggest reason /o/ shits on the toybaru so much is nothing technical, it's just because it's fun to do so. Just like making fun of mustangs or FWD as a whole. It elicits such immediate and volatile responses that it's just plain easy fun to do. The toybaru is an okay car but it's an amazing shitpost catalyst.
>>14209122
It is not that bad, per se, but 25k can get you something a lot better.
>>14210707
>childish brand
>Literally ALL their advertising is aimed toward 30-somethings with families.
>But they sell one car that you think is only driven by boi-racers so the entire company is tainted.
Go buy a used S2000 instead. Or does the fact that Honda sells a Civic Si mean that they're for children as well?
>>14210669
just buy a toyota badge for 30 cucks then? it's literally the same car built buy the same japs
>>14209294
A 370z is not slower than your 1995 sedan.
>>14209122
I dont need to spend $30k to drive slow.
>>14212121
>I dont need to spend $30k to drive slow.
>>14209157
Seriously. You could buy a used 135i for around the same price and have a car that's similar to the BRZ. Except the 135i can perform and doesn't have a 130hp girl engine.
>b-b-but it's not suppose to be fast
>>14212166
>comparing new to used
>130hp
dats it mang
>>14212192
Sorry I meant 140hp
>>14211147
no because just like in msutangs, poorfgs will get the N/A version
>>14210790
>intake, exhaust new pistons and camshafts are "custom" work
lel cant belive how fucking mad and retarded you are
>belives reaching 400 hp in a toyobaru is less expensive
lel
stay mad kiddo
>>14212166
>>14212211
This has to be bait
>>14210298
>its good because people know it could have been better
lel
>>14210685
the funny thing is the Toyotbaur is actually obese compared to the miat lel
>>14209122
>Haters
Go back to puffing on robocock, faggot.
>>14212599
Lol poorfag
>>14212599
>>14212622
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=el2l4YATibg
Purists demand a RWD, naturally aspirated, manual, lightweight coupe.
When one is produced, purists say it's not powerful enough and demand it gets a turbo.
Okay, then.
>>14212149
If you lost some weight that is probably what you would look like.
>>14212166
Why would anyone buy a 135i when it weighs almost as much as a 335i?
>>14212436
Almost every car made can be made better with modifications, what is your point?
You say the frs is obese, but its actually the lightest rwd car made in the states that has more than 2 seats.
>>14213025
the miata is lighter
>4 seats
>FRS back seats
>useable
lel
My Z pisses in your GT86's intake, fuck off queer.
Go ahead and benchrace. I've owned more vehicles than you've seen years, and I was thoroughly underwhelmed by the GT86. The interior is 90s KIA tier too.
They are what got me interested in sports coupes again, but they are a letdown in reality. And I am a Toyota/Subaru fanboi. The 370z blew the GT86 am away in the feels dept, that's why I bought one instead.
The 370z has Jap class with Ferrari tier acceleration, and the handling characteristics you'd expect from a traditional two seat rwd coupe making 530+hp at the crank.
You fell for the meme, while people who actually like cars and driving chose any number of quicker sharp handling cars in the price range.
>>14213039
Sorry you don't have any friends anon
>>14212637
The people who wanted that are happy with what they got.
Its the retarded no cars who think everything should lap the nurburgring in under 7:20 who are the ones crying.
>>14213064
>not having car friends that have their own car to battle with at the tougue
>"friends" who use you as taxi
>>14213039
They're nice to have.
Miata's are nice in their own way too, why can't we just get along?
>>14213083
We can't have any of that, someone has to be the winner!
>>14213081
So...you never needed to carry more than one person in your car?
Have you ever even had a grill in your car before?
It's ok anon, real racers don't need girlfriends...right?
>>14213115
Will you dress up as one, for me?
>>14213115
>you never needed to carry more than one person in your car?
ill ask my mom's for her keys of her sedan
>Have you ever even had a grill in your car before?
>implying i will ever have a gf again
I fap to pics related, what makes you belive I will ever get a gf apart from the one I had in high school?
>>14209122
The 86 got absolutely rave reviews. For me, that alone would make it worth a test drive, if I was in the market for that sort of thing. Sure it could be quicker, but my MR2 is considerably slower yet still more than fast enough to enjoy blatting down a country lane in.
Can't say it's exactly my carfu, but the 86 is alright.
>>14209149
>40k
why god why
>>14209149
>40k
Wot
>>14209154
>30-35
Also wot
>>14209175
How did it fail? The two are reasonably close in performance and price.
>>14213195
because less than a thousand have sold
>>14213134
thats horrifying
>>14213258
Not rly, it's in decline but they've definitely sold more then 1k.
>>14209161
>implying enthusiasts appreciate this watered down cant turn fedora machine.
>tfw 30k for such underwhelimg machine
>mfw 20k for clean s2000
>>14210745
>Ive beat them 0 to 75 to get on the freeway many times.
what a fag thing to say lmao
>>14209154
> 30-50g
> bought my Toyota 86 second hand for 19g
Runs like a dream, lots of fun, nearly killed myself in it already. 10/10, literally no regrets at all.
>>14214704
>paying 19g to be slow
AHAHAHA (jk enjoy your car m8 i'm looking for one too)
>>14209122
Faggots ITT would rather buy a civic SI or fiesta ST for the same price.
>>14214725
> there are people who thinking posting the shortest quarter-mile time is fun
If that's their thing, good on them. Personally, I'd rather be doing twisties bits at 90km/h than a flat straight at 200.
>>14209122
i want one
i will buy new and keep it stock and sealed in a bubble periodically changing fluids and gas and the occasional run
just to sell it in 20 to 30 years for a shitload of money
>i know what i got
>>14214704
Same here, thank you based previous owner taking 8k off the cost for me. I live in an area prone to rust and they kept this thing mint, hardly any miles either.
>>14214986
That's like keeping a 1985 MR2 mint and trying to sell it today...
>>14214986
Get a hyper blue quick, only 500 made.
>>14209122
>250 replies
/o/ took the b8 yet again.
>>14209160
That fucking torque hole at 3-5k.
My 1.7 makes more torque at any rpm than that, and the turbo doesn't even spool properly before 4.5krpm. So I'm.making more power off boost that that untuneable 12.x:1 compression shitheap.
Typical owner. These cars are so embarrassing
>>14215219
The one in that pic was tboned though. What's your point?
