Why is there so much hate for BMW here? Every time I see one posted all I see is
>BMW
with no actual explanation of what the issue is.
>easy to find in manual
>powerful engines
>RWD
>good suspensions
>comfy interiors
>conservative appearance
>easy to work on
>cheap to buy used
It seems like everything /o/ should like.
BMWs are notorious for things breaking in them.
One anon, for example, said the key lock on his door broke. Apparently, you need to clean that out once per year so you can actually lock your door with a key.
I was wondering the same thing, it's probably because /o/ is full of ricers and faggots. Currently looking at e46 330i's myself.
lots of benchracers and people who don't know how to maintain their own cars or are really bad at gauging badly maintained cars before buying them
>>14161742
>anonymous story posted years ago as proof
no, it's just a regular door lock
>>14161718
>easy to work on
Not really, but easier to work on than my dodge grand caravan
>>14161718
Because they are civic tier quality.
Retards will blindly scream they are reliable and then qualify it with "if you maintain them"
As if that's some sort of defence.
Honestly rotaries are more reliable and burn less oil.
And are cheaper and better cars all around.
>>14161761
>years ago
that was like 3-4 months ago mane
>>14161742
BMWs aren't any more or less reliable than any other car. It's all a matter of how they have been taken care of.
>>14161771
I don't think you understand what "maintain" means.
Maintain means don't nigger your car and change your fucking fluids and filters.
>>14161769
E30s, E36s, and E46s are easier to work on than most cars, especially modern cars.
>>14161784
I'm going to have to disagree with that.
The engines are definitely above average and all the little interior electricals are below average just because there's so much more shit in there that other cars don't even have.
>the motor that folds in my mirrors died
>the motor that controls the lumbar supports in my seat died
>the LCD that tells me my coolant level is low or how much life is remaining in my oil lost a few pixels
BMW problems.
>if you replace everything before it has a chance to break or buy one that has 400 miles on it they are pretty good
>>14161786
The problem is more things break.
>>14161814
Totally anecdotal, but contrast this with my experience with my Toyota Camry.
>driver side window control stopped working, it's not the switches and it's not the fuse so assuming wiring harness is fucked or something
>developed some sort of weird ground loop so when the headlights are turned on the gear indicator changes to reverse
Even the electricals may be better.
>>14161844
But all the shit that breaks is inconsequential and easy to replace, and the engines themselves are superior. Add that into the fact that /o/ likes shit like old Z's and the reliability argument doesn't really make any sense.
>>14161844
Like what?
>tfw really want to buy a z3 but don't have the driveway space for it
hold me /o/
>>14161856
>engines themselves are superior
They are massive heavy lumps of over-engineered turds
People like old Z cars because they are reliable and super simple.
>>14161718
>Why is there so much hate for BMW here?
Boomer parents.
Specifically, dadvice received about buying cars in /o/'s teens
>never buy a german car, son. the maintenance will cost more than the car is worth every year and your insurance will double. what you need is a nice reliable chrysler, americans know how to do it right
I fell for this shit too until I became friends with someone who actually knows about cars and he convinced me to buy a BMW. Shit's great and my insurance went up $25.
>>14161904
But its correct you will spend more in parts than its ever worth to own one. They aren't super amazing to drive.
Honestly prefere driving a corolla to any BMW I've driven.
>>14161888
I DD a BMW and I bought a Z because never having anything to fix was boring me. I love Z's but this is bullshit. Anything with comparable performance to a BMW like a 300zx is significantly less reliable.
>>14161888
ever heard of a BMW inline six petrol engine??
>>14161915
>Honestly prefere driving a corolla to any BMW I've driven
yeah that's how I know your opinions are worthless
>>14161915
>you will spend more in parts
only if you buy a broken one or if you mod/tune the shit out of it.
>>14161915
You're an idiot
>>14161915
>you will spend more in parts than its ever worth to own one
Where are you getting this from even? This is true of any car given enough time but you're never going to spend more than a car is worth in a year in maintenance unless you need a transmission swap every month.
>honestly prefere driving a corolla to any BMW I've driven
You must have been driving a 318i with a shot suspension and a ripped up interior or something because this is retarded.
>>14161718
because ppl here are jelly of ppl that can afford them. but at the same time bmw has reliability issues and is not as prestigious as it used to be (drivers car wise)
>tfw cruising at night relaxing in the comfy orange glow of your interior
>>14161939
>>14161940
>buy $80k BMW.
>things are breaking in less than a year.
>buy $1000 corolla
>drive forever
I'll take the corolla
>>14161962
God damn boy
>>14161965
>buy $5000 BMW
>drive forever, but comfortably and capable of getting to 70mph before entering freeway
You're only claiming you'd rather have a corolla because you're poor and have never driven a BMW.
You could at least have a Miata or something, jesus.
>>14161965
Who said anything about a brand new BMW? I would much rather drive an old e30 or e36 328i/e46 330i than any clunker corolla.
>you're just mad!
>you're just jelly!
I've driven more BMWs than anyone ITT, every single BMW after the E30 is junk. Too heavy and numb to drive well, too stiff and cheap to be luxurious.
>>14161984
A Corolla XRS has a better engine than 90% of BMWs though.
>>14162011
I doubt you've driven more than me.
I drove an E30 325i, an E39 530i, an E36 M3, E46 M3, and now an E92 M3. The E30 definitely felt more connected to the road as all old cars do, and the E39 did feel a bit big by nature of being a 4 door luxury commuter car, but the M3s have all been excellent and handle extremely well.
>>14162030
but thats not the 1000 dollar corolla you were talking about, was it.
>>14162084
Not the same guy.
But a 4afe is a better engine than anything BMW has made.
>>14162109
Lol junk
>>14162119
Tilted pigfat junk
>>14162090
wew lad
I only like classic BMW, and my DD is an E30. M20 is great for decent power on E28/E30 and you can really beat on it if you want. Tons of parts and easy enough to work on.
I mean there's some I'd consider to buy like E36, E46, E39, and the Z's if they were in immaculate condition. I'm really turned off by modern BMW.
also e90 is shit
>>14162207
>also E90 is shit
I'm really pissed off they stopped using the inline six. I refuse to buy a BMW with a V8 because I know they're going to fuck it up, the M62 is the only one I'd even consider and that's just because it's old enough to have a good track record.
thinking of buying an e46 as my first car
don't know how to drive manual, but i want to use the car to learn and daily drive
i'm gonna be working in an office in dtla, is it even worth learning manual when my commute is going to be that awful with traffic?
325i or 330i?
>>14162238
E46s are good to learn on because they have a clutch delay valve so even if you're retarded and dump the clutch it still maintains some level of slow release. After you've gotten gud, pull that shit out, swap in a short shifter and some royal purple transmission fluid because it's annoying when you actually know what you're doing.
I'd say it's still worth it even if you're going to be in traffic. I feel like falling asleep if I'm not driving a manual.
>>14162265
>>14162238
Also, as long as money is not a concern there's literally zero reason not to go with the higher displacement engine.
More likely to not have been niggered too.
>>14161718
It's part of the "all german cars are shit meme". There's some truth though but it's mostly from poor ownership.
>E34s are notoriously reliable and have one of the best engines ever made in the world (M30)
>really wanted an E34 for that classic look + reliability
>found one in my area
>it's a British racing green 520i
>it's the underpowered M20 but whatever, dem looks
>go to see it
>interior trim is fucked up, read windows dont work, roof has clear coat peel
>engine bay looks like a few fluids have blown everywhere
>its the only E34 in my area so i buy it pending a vehicle engine and safety check
>get results of check two days later
from memory some of the issues were:
>weeping or possibly blown headgasket
>water pump failing
>fuel pump failing
>all belts passed due
>timing belt due
>suspension unsafe
>steering rack in poor condition
>just about every strut, bearing or whatever in bad condition
>there were more but i forget
>inspector warns that car should never have been registered in the first place and its one of the most dangerous vehicles he's ever seen
>he actually reports the vehicle so the registration gets pulled
>tfw i'd actually driven that death trap at 60mph before i found all this out
>owner claimed he knew nothing about any of these issues
>car reappears on CL a week later for 1k with "needs some attention" in the title and a tiny list of issues that are purely cosmetic
>description also reads "mechanically sound"
>it sold 2 days later
>honestly feel bad for the sucker who must've bought it
>>14161962
Noice.
>>14161742
BMWfags will call this kind of shit "preventative maintenance". Then they'll say "as long as you maintain your BMW it's no less reliable than a Japanese car!"
>>14162265
i'll keep this in mind ty based anon
>>14162300
maintenance difference isn't that big a deal? 330ci's are looking nice
>>14162345
>a reliable car is one that never needs maintenance of any kind until something breaks!
>>14162346
There's no maintenance difference on the engine, they're the exact same engine and all share the same parts except for crankshaft, rods, and intake cams.
540i m-tech reporting in
>>14162360
ty based anon
manual 330ci it is
>>14162366
>clear indicators
muh dick
I have a 2003 so the headlight assembly is epoxied shut, I want clear indicators so badly though. I bought some lenses and I'm going to see if I can saw the assembly apart and remove the epoxy once I'm inside. Hopefully I don't fuck up my xenons.
I didn't believe the BMW meme until my friend bought a 2012 335i.
>bought it with only 12k miles
>has already had to replace the fuel pump once, two unscheduled maintenance repairs, and his fuel injectors or sensors went out
>Would've been $1800, but $300 deductible instead through carmax warranty
>Only put 15k miles on it, has had to tow it twice/left him stranded
His E30 only broke down on him twice, but after two visits to the shop it's been more reliable than that 335i. Granted, when the car works it's a great fucking car.
ITT: badgewhores
>>14161811
fuck you nigger include the fucking E21 dammit
>>14162374
There are lots of guides on e39 forums on how to bake the facelift headlights open
Since I have a 2000 those are ebay snap on angel eye lenses over my stock xenons
>>14162376
The issue is when the BMW meme is applied towards older BMWs. The rule of thumb is if it has an NA straight six you're good.
>>14162382
These work for 2001s and 2002s but they changed the adhesive in 2003 and it can't be baked open.
>>14162376
Everything after the E39 (which ended in 2003 I think?) is shit. Too much relies on electrical components plus the build quality is just overall worse.
80s and early 90s BMW is GOAT though.
>>14162373
Be sure you do a cooling system overhaul immediately upon purchase if the PO cannot prove it was done with receipts. It's the only thing to ever fail in mine to leave me stranded. Thankfully the new owner asked me when I sold it, so I got to save him a good few hundred dollars.
Look around some e46 forums, this advice is not rare. Budget $4-700 and a few hours with your initial purchase, and beware the locking pins on the hoses.
>>14162387
>Want a BMW
>All post E46 BMWs have all sorts of fucked up problems
>All pre E90 BMWs have age and wear and tear issues which is a given, but automatic trans known to die or blow up
>Torn ACL, can't drive stick anymore in traffic
Life is truly suffering
>>14162398
Seconding this, it's the only major mechanical issue with the M54. Most will have had it done by now or not be running, but you need to make especially sure that if it was done it wasn't done with BMW parts because it'll happen again.
The other one is VANOS, it takes away some of your low end torque but doesn't prevent your car from running. Parts cost 60 bucks and 1 hour of labor for a mechanic or 2 hours for DIY.
>>14162390
>had E39 540 Msport with 3.15 Rear Diff. DD for 3 years. Only issue I had was coolant issues and a nice Engine Fail safe warning. Put 37k on the car in 3 years Was a fun car to drive. Loved the Naturally aspirated Engine.
DD is now a 335 MSport with MPPK installed. Wish I had gone for the X Drive version.
>>14162376
Addendum to this post:
Is it normal for new BMW owners to suddenly become fucking snobs? He started talking down to Japanese cars and my car because dashboard and interior materials weren't as soft and plush as his BMW.
>>14161754
is this you and are you a fuck boy
>>14162412
They love to sit in the car and feel the dash
>>14162412
>is it normal for new BMW owners to suddenly become fucking snobs?
Yes, especially if they're coming from Japanese vehicles themselves. The difference is kind of jarring. My BMW caused me to get rid of my Camry I planned to keep around as a backup vehicle because it felt so cheap and the wind noise in the cabin became unbearable.
>>14162398
>>14162407
will definitely make this a priority, thanks
anything else i should watch out for?
>>14162412
Only if the driver was already a douche bag. Some times nice things make people want to brag or show off or be a prick.
>>14162411
Assumed this was an n55 thing since you said X-drive. Google it and found it's a $2200 ecu flash and cai that's inferior to the jb4 setup that's $600. Why would you buy this?
Anywho I have a 335xi and that awd is pretty glorious. It's a great system, just gets shit on all the time by people assuming quattro is better while knowing nothing about awd systems. I imagine it'd be awful in a 330, but the e90 is so heavy and comfy that the weight doesn't detract too much.
>>14162412
Yes
>>14162424
You too? My same friend who has that 335i, also has an NA miata. He loved that thing and was his daily until he got that fucking BMW. Suddenly acted like he was too good for it and just left it in his garage. When he had to get to work while his 335i was in the shop, the NA started up with no issues after not being started for months. And he was going to sell the NA and spend it all on an exhaust.
>>14162424
>Yes, especially if they're coming from superior Japanese vehicles themselves. The difference is kind of jarring. My BMW caused me to get rid of my superior vehilce I planned to keep around as a backup for when my BMW broke down. Even though it was cheaper to own, was built better, got better mileage, and was a perfectly practical car. I just wanted to be a complete snob.
Ftfy
>>14162433
Nothing out the ordinary really comes to mind. The only other things I did to mine over 2 years were tires, fluids, filters, etc. Normal stuff. Be aware that you need premium gas even though it's a NA 3 litre
My taillight has water in it and the LED tails are $150-300 apiece so check on that. IDK if it's common.
>>14162442
>>14162433
Nothing really huge, but nice things to look out for in any older car
>new door lock actuators
>new window regulators
>new shifter pins will make shifts buttery smooth
most are over 125k miles which is about the replacement interval for the fuel pump so if that's been done, cool. it's a 30 minute job but it's really annoying to have fuel system failure so just make sure it's either been done or do it immediately
>make sure the tach responds instantly when blipping the throttle, lagging response probably means clogged fuel filter and failing fuel pump
>basic maintenance like changing fluids and filters
>>14162447
I got rid of the Camry because it felt cheap and things went wrong way more often than the BMW, which didn't work out well when the entire purpose of it was to have a spare car to drive while I'm working on the BMW.
It also got worse mileage, but it used lower grade fuel so the fuel costs were about the same.
>>14162442
Maybe not to that degree but it was definitely a new experience that made me appreciate Japanese cars a lot less.
>>14162218
love the shit outta my m62
it's leaking oil at the moment though. not much, maybe a drip every day, but enough.
>need to do a full engine refresh with timing cover seals, timing chain guides, VANOS, etc
>don't have the spare cash or a garage to work on it with
>that feel
>>14162411
I currently daily a 540i 6 speed prevanos with a 3.15 rear diff, and like yours it has not giving me any issues besides a window regulator.
Thinking of getting a 335i with the n54 next.
Have you had any issues with yours?
>>14162799
protip; uro just made a new "premium" window regulator replacement that has all the pulleys on their own bearings, should be almost indestructible since the plastic pulleys will be way less likely to crack from heat cycling. i think it's $100 with the motor
Would you go for a somewhat ok 318i or a 300000km+ 320i? (Both are E36)
Also how's the e36 compared to the e46?
>>14162854
Similar reliability, interior less comfy but more "road feel".
>>14161718
What do you expect? Like honestly.. look at the majority of threads and the intelligence / maturity of the majority of posters over the last couple years. It's progressively getting worse.
It's either wanna be car guys with zero racing experience thinking going 20 over the limit on le mountain togue means they know fuck all about driving.
Armchair mechanics or first year engineering students thinking they know fuck all about real world racing design/setup because they had a materials and classic physics class one time.
And the rest is autistic weebs trying desperately to be "car guys" plus a bunch of nocar teenagers.
This is board is pure garbage and nothing here should be taken seriously. I come here for pictures and it's not even hardly good for that anymore.
>>14162011
>I've driven more BMWs than anyone ITT
doubt
>every single BMW after the E30 is junk
objectively false
also you aren't fast so your opinion is meaningless data.
>>14162400
E90 is actually really reliable. Just not the 335i variant with it's high pressure direct injection. But 335i is a really fast car.
since this is now /bmwg/.....
if i wanted to get a good z3 as a fun weekend car and to occasionally use as a daily for shiggles, what would i get? In terms of year and model and options, the sportier/faster the better, with the exception of an m roadster or coupe
BMWs are actually great, I think they are exactly what most people who like driving are looking for and expecting from a car - a connected driving experience in a "normal" car (as in comfortable and stylish). I never considered BMWs because dadvice (even when others suggested it) and because of the stereotypical BMW driver, but once I tried one I was sold. Low seating position, perfect dials, perfect 50 50 balance, RWD and looks great. If you're prepared to deal with an used car you can own one pretty cheaply.
pic related - E46 suspension (it's pretty simple, the E90's is much more sophisticated but since the main purpose of suspension is to reduce road noise and vibrations you might not even care, because "roadfeel").
>>14162937
the 2.8 uses the m52, god tier for reliability
the 3.0 uses the m54, similar, but makes more power.
the 2.8 and 3.0 both came with LSD standard
id avoid the moon roof cars for obvious weight reasons.
If initial D was happening in Europe Takumi would probably drive an E36 318ti or some shit like that.
>>14162943
I absolutely despise the interior styling and image that a BMW holds.
Recently I've become more partial to them. I think driving one would convince me to buy one. Some of them even look nice to me now.
Difficult to find them with a cream interior. Every Bimmer I see is black inside.
>>14161938
>mod/tune the shit out of it
so the car also has to remain stock to function?
>>14162902
So then what year E90 is best? Do I just stick with a 328i/330i?
>>14163074
I don't know because in different countries different models were sold (with different engines) and I'm from yurop. Generally later years of production have less problems but in E90 case I would make sure you get the N52 engine.
N52 engine is the N/A port injected magnesium/aluminum engine that is troublefree.
Then there is also N53 which is direct injected N/A engine which has a bit better MPG but I wouldn't go for this.
N54 is the twin turbo engine used in early 335i and N55 is the twin-scroll (mono)turbo engine used in later 335i. M54 and other are older and were used in E46 3 series and early E60 5 series. So make sure it's an N52 (silver or black cover - black are later models).
Also (this goes for any bmw e39 and newer) if you're not computer-averse, get the "INPA cable" and install bmw software into an Windows XP virtual machine so you can read and clear error memory (or even do some more advanced stuff like coding). This is necessary so you can prevent stuff from happening. There is a posibility of electric water pump failure on these N52 BMWs, but you get errors beforehand (but they don't light up the check engine light), which you can read with INPA. Also it doesn't happen as often as internet would make you believe. The parts are $500 and then there is quite a bit of labor, but can be done DIY.
>>14163135
>>14163074
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_N52
Looks like any US 330i will do since your gas is not good enough for N53.
>>14161814
Motor that cracks windows when opening door broke so windows are always cracked after I park
>>14163074
>>14163144
Or 328i. It's is actually the same engine, just with a different intake manifold (without DISA) and different ECU software.
>>14163144
>your gas is not good enough for N53
They just use a different fuel rating system, anon.
>>14163155
I think that what we consider normal gas (95 octane) is there called premium gas. But it's not just that - BMW often had different engines for US and EUR (different variants of horsepower for M3 for instance) and this is because of gas, which is in US less "clean" for whatever reasons.
>>14161869
> buying a shittier German s2000
>>14161718
BMW in Europe and BMW in america are not the same.
In Europe we have loads of cheap used well maintained bmws, and have a large aftermarket with cheap pattern parts available.
In America they are still a luxury brand, and the cheap ones are fucked. There after market is poorly supported so repairs are expensiver.
>>14163167
Gasoline quality differs stronger in the US than in Europe
>>14161904
ur dumb for falling for that anon. dum x2
E39 master race reporting in
Clown shoe owner reporting in.
BMW eats through stock suspension bushings. But that's no biggie if you replace them with solid rubber or heavy duty variants.
>>14161718
Honestly don't know.
I have had a bmw 335i e92 coupe from 2009-2014 and then I was offered a good deal on an e92 m3 which I have been driving since may 2014 and I absolutely LOVE it.
The only problem I ever had was the seat heater on the passenger side of the 335i which I had to have worked on twice before they fixed it.
>>14163215
that is actually a very good point, haven't taken that into consideration. Thanks for the input!
>>14163678
M coupe i assume?
how much did that set you back? like 20k?
>>14162376
>12k miles
>has already had to replace the fuel pump once
Must have not done the biennial fuel pump inspection and lubrication.
>two unscheduled maintenance repairs
Must have not done the required monthly engine and chassis fuel inspection
>fuel injectors or sensors went out
Must have not done the required tri-weekly fuel system disassembly and cleaning. Non-BMW owners don't know shit about proper vehicle maintenance.
>>14164195
oh no, that's the first year of the f30 and the f30 is garbage
>>14161718
>friend has 335i e92
>straight piped
>tuned
>pretty damn quick
>comfy as fuck
I don't see the hate either t b h
I'm thinking of moving to BMW in a few month's time (can afford to move away from finance now). I quite like the 125i (M Sport) - is this a good or bad idea? I'm not too concerned about space / practicality as I rarely have passengers.
>>14164074
More like $25k because it had just rolled 100k km. But it seems like I'd get every penny back if I sold it since prices are on the rise.
Euro s50 btw.
what's the best e30 model/year for uner $5k?
>>14161718
Because they need to justify their poorfag ricer lifestyle so they shit on cars they cant afford.
I'm guessing 90% of the people ITT have never owned a BMW.
>>14163070
No, he means you might spend more in parts if you're adding in every tune dinan has to offer and putting on coilovers and shit like that.
>easy to find in manual
maybe in europe
9 of every 10 bmws listed for sale i see are automatic
>>14161869
>tfw z3
>>14162937
if you can afford one, get a coupe
there aren't too many options to put on a z3 besides the power top (which came standard later on), heated seats/mirrors and the harman kardon stereo.
i own a roadster with the M54B22, so the smallest available engine post facelift outside of europe, it's fast enough.
These cars don't come with front strut braces and don't feel too stable sometimes, and are prone to some extremely violent tramblining on grooves on the road.
whatever you do, don't get an automatic, even if it's the steptronic like mine. (its absolute garbage)
>>14165337
>till a luxury brand, and the cheap ones are fuc
not true at all.....relatively speaking there are more bmw manuals in the used car market than their competitors
>>14164741
I currently have the 325i from 1987 and love it. But I haven't had any other E30s I can get 2 that need little work where live for 3 grand or one in good shape for 1.5 grand
>>14165337
The automatic ones stay up for sale longer because nobody wants them.
E90 owner here. I have a 2010 and 65k miles in, my water pump has blown, turbo has blown, windshield wiper fluid has cracked severely, taillight LEDs have died, a cupholder has jammed/broken off, tab on the AC vent has broken off (had to replace entire vent unit), radio has needed to be replaced.
I guess somewhat of an argument can be made for mechanical things breaking ("preventative maintenance," etc.), but why on earth should those interior bits be breaking? Never had any of these problems in my G37 or 4Runner.
Granted, I love to drive my E90, but good grief is it a pain. In the market to buy an IS-F now.
What do you guys think a good price for this is? Mileage is a bit high...
http://norfolk.craigslist.org/ctd/5375073311.html
i can see both sides of the argument here, and being well experienced in mechanic type work i've seen some of the fucking wierd problems that only bmw's seem to have.
i think the unreliability aspect is mostly a driver issue, not a vehicle issue. the problem is hardly anyone maintains shit like they should. there's a prevalent culture all throughout the world that you need to update your car every few years or so, which gives the orginal owners the attitude of "my car is new, i can ignore proper maintenance because it'll be long gone by the time any problems actually happen."
the second owner then likely has the attitude of "the car is still only a few years old and still nice and shiny, and the previous owner bought it new so surely they could afford to look after it. that'll do for a while at least"
next thing you know it's gone through 4 or 5 owners in 10-15 years who never really gave it the attention or spent the money where it needed it.
also, the one person who did decide to service it religiously, did so themselves without the proper tools or experience necessary to do the job properly, and did things they shouldn't.
most of the time, wierd issues that are otherwise un-explainable, tend to happen because somebody fucked with something when they knew little or nothing about, because they didn't know what they were doing and they solved their problem only by causing another. whether or not the problem they caused became apparent straight away or 18 months later is another story. i've owned many vehicles with problems like this.
the trouble is also it's not just owners who fuck shit up, often its shithead mechanics with no work ethic. motherfuckers don't like to actually use their brains most of the time and just do what they can to get it out the door and charge you for it. i have had to deal with aftermath of this shit countless times before, often on my own vehicles too.
>>14162090
>4afe
bad bait is bad.
>>14161718
They're fine car if you buy then brand new and sell them once the warranty is over. The newer the model the more valid this is
>>14165391
that pic explains very well why there is a lot of manual BMWs, even in the US
>>14165434
>65k miles
>water pump has blown
Must have not done the cooling system replacement
>turbo has blown
Must not have performed the required cool down or not used BMW oil
>windshield wiper fluid has cracked severely
Must not have used the BMW fluid that contains an anti-freeze
>taillight LEDs have died
All cars do this
>a cupholder has jammed/broken off
Gorilla hands ooga boogaloo
>tab on the AC vent has broken off (had to replace entire vent unit)
It's your wallet, pal
>radio has needed to be replaced
Optional upgrades don't count against reliability.
>>14165456
~$6.5k if has all service records
$5.5k if not
For those looking at a e39 or own one, here are some parts that need to be looked at and swapped for better stuff: I'm talking about the liquid filled bushings in the upper front control arms, broken window regulators, Vanos seal failure, plastic water pumps, stock strut failure, Dash LCD screen failure, Driver seat twisting issue, Headlight adjusters break, Front windshield rubber gasket deterioration, Crank Case Ventilation clogs up, plastic radiator failure, tail light wiring weakens, Viscious fan clutch failure, exterior door handles weaken, and a little cabin temperature fan behind the center console will start buzzing.
When kept in good order, the e39 is very understated VIP car!
pic unrelated lol.
>>14165906
>>water pump has blown
>Must have not done the cooling system replacement
Yes anon, why did you not replace your cooling system at 65k?
>>14161811
fuck you negro, include the e34 and the e28 as well
>>14166259
The easiest way to say it is 2003 and earlier.
>>14161814
>>14161848
Doesn't sound half bad.
GM S10 Blazer
>Power lock actuators for every door excluding the hatch no longer work, both rear doors make a feeble attempt
>Power window motor / regulators for both front doors are shot, window needs help going up and it takes multiple attempts
>Rear passenger side window does nothing, receiving power but does nothing
>Rear driver side window switch only works from the front driver side door
>Have burned through multiple resistors and blower motors, thankfully dormam lifetime warranty
>Power mirrors can only go left, switch is shot
>Dimmer switch high beams quit working, now have a toggle switch for brights
>4x4 vacuum actuator keeps tearing destroying the rubber boot
>Vents for HVAC won't go to vents & feet, one or the other
>Interior light switch is faulty on the driver door, quit working maybe two weeks ago
>Gauge cluster works when it wants to
>Rear wiper works spontaneously, even though the switch is in the off position
>TCCM clicks like crazy before engaging
>138,xxx
That's everything for in the cabin that I can think of. When I purchased it for a winter beater during the summer it wasn't half bad. About a month of winter driving and everything is failing.
Cleanest S10 I've seen too. At least for a Michigan vehicle.
>>14165906
>all cars do this
If a 2010 car is blowing leds, which have a lifetime of over 100,000 hours, that's not fucking good.
>must not have done the cooling system replacement
You mean to tell me, a car with 65k miles should be replacing major parts of the cooling system? On what planet?
You clearly only like BMW because you've wasted a lot of money on their shitty cars and don't want to feel wrong about your decision.
E46 masterrace reporting
>>14167174
>tfw there will reach a point where E46s and E39s are too old and I'll have to find new cars to drive
I want BMW to make good cars again.
>>14167204
135 isnt bad
also 335 is kinda pig fat but its aight
What's the difference between e36 and e46?
>>14167241
They're moving away from their signature inline 6 into unfamiliar territory and it's not been working well for them.
The 3 series has turned into the 5 series and the 5 series has turned into the 7 series. They're all fat.
the 4 series and 1 series may have some hope in them.
the 335 suffers from a pretty tall list of issues.
>>14167292
The E46 has more power and better handling. It's less "raw" than the E36 (the suspension is better and isolates road noise and whatnot a lot better) which autists will claim is a bad thing but it's a lot more comfortable.
>>14162854
almost the exact same car
Which rears have the subframe cracking issues?
>>14162345
So it's the same argument used to justify Rotary engines.
>>14161718
>good suspensions
maybe for 75k miles until they're worn out if you don't drive like a little old lady
>>14161718
weird electrical glitches
strange plastic water pumps
walnut shell intake cleaning
vanos a shit
I might put up with one if it had a few simple mods
>>14162359
>non critical failure of cheep and easy to replace parts
>>14161718
>no actual explanation of what the issue is.
Here's the reason: BMW
>easy to find in manual
Not even true unless you're only looking for pre-2000 shitboxes, in which case you'll find literally everything under the sun in manual for the same price.
>powerful engines
Until the fucking F30, the 328i was the second fastest non-exotic BMW sedan and it did 0-60 in 6.1 seconds, about the same time as a Mazda 6 of a similar age.
>good suspensions
MacPherson struts like everyone else? Meanwhile Hondas use double wishbone on even their Accords and no one bats an eye .
>comfy interiors
The F30 interior barely looks modern, the E90 and previous look fucking ancient. Seats are very comfortable though.
>easy to work on
Not anymore
>cheap to buy used
Only if they're dog slow (E30, any 328i before F30) or moneypits (all other BMWs).
Unless you have the requisite time and space to regularly wrench on a car, a BMW is not for you, and not only for "performance" reasons but simply because they fuck some shit up. Hard. Like the N54 turbos or even the water pump on the N52. I like cars but replacing a pump isn't my idea of a good time.
Fuck you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_ArJdYAHfI
>>14162424
>Yes, especially if they're coming from Japanese vehicles themselves. The difference is kind of jarring. My BMW caused me to get rid of my Camry I planned to keep around as a backup vehicle because it felt so cheap and the wind noise in the cabin became unbearable.
Suddenly I want to buy German. Fuck you shills :(
>>14161769
Chrysler has always been shit.
>>14170109
You're an idiot.
>>14169780
Vanos is great.
All DI cars need intake cleaning.
They havent used plastic water pumps since 1998.
Example of a "weird" electrical glitch?
Get some new ammo already.. this is almost has bad as the N54 has bad turbos meme.
>>14165434
>turbos blown
lol bullshit.
>>14170177
There's always some idiot denying that N54 turbos are defective.
>>14167296
The e46 m3 race car had a v8 and it dominated the GT endurance and sprint classes. If there's one thing BMW knows how to build it's engines. They have more race winning and award winning engines than probably any other manufacturer.
>>14170171
>haven't used plastic water pumps since 1998
cheap to buy used
and that's also where the electrical problems come from
I don't know how op thinks a car that was complex and expensive when new is going to be easy to keep going second hand
>>14161718
The reason is almost exclusively dadvice and the generally retarded normie buyer base.
>>14170191
Because they aren't. Have you ever considered that you're the retard instead of just always being that one guy who thinks they're defective?
All turbos will need to be rebuilt probably around 100k or even much less if you're really driving them hard.
If you're talking about wastegate rattle, that's not the turbo. That's the turbine housing and it just need to be adjusted.
Also BMW doesn't even make the turbos, you realize that right? Pretty sure they still use KKK turbos.. Same as Porsche.
>>14170232
They're Borg Warner who bought KKK in the 90's.
>>14170232
>Pretty sure they still use KKK turbos
Mitsubishi
>>14170223
A "rattle" that wears down your bushings until you get a 30FF low boost error qualifies as a defect. Go ahead and spend 12 hours taking off the downpipes and adjusting actuator arms though. Bonus points if you mention BMW build quality in your defense of the brand in your next post.
>>14170232
It might suprise you but most car parts are made by supplier companies for car brands.
>>14170232
>>14170274
Just realized you're not an idiot. Sorry.
>>14170266
no, they are borg warner based on the EFR series.
>spend 12 hours adjusting a wastegate actuator
you mean 4 max? And yeah I will.. why wouldn't I.
i'm sorry that you're a normie and cant turn a wrench to solve a simple problem.
>>14161718
>>easy to find in manual
so is every other car that had manual transmissions offered
>>powerful engines
In the M models, i guess
>>RWD
woopty doo, theres better handling fwd cars for cheaper
>>good suspensions
that rust prematurely
>>comfy interiors
plenty of cars are comfy
>>conservative appearance
>status symbol car
>conservative
>>easy to work on
lol nope
>>cheap to buy used
If they're broken yeah
>>14161742
That's false, I've owned several and that's never been an issue. It seems like all of the evidence anybody has for BMW reliability is allegorical, and its typically young and not too wealthy people saying it. What does that say to you?
It's just a case of people talking crap about something they can't afford or can't take care of, and I say that as someone who often fits into those categories, depending on the model year.
>>14170326
This is the definitive /o/tistic post.
Watch him reply with something like "nice facts" or "resorting to adhom"
kek
>>14161888
>over-engineered
This is my favorite meme, it shows you how pathetic poor people are, they've invented a way to spin superior quality as a bad thing.
>>14161915
I refuse to believe that this isn't bait.
Someone please hold me.
I'm genuinely angry.
>easy to work on
E32 here, it's a piece of shit and a broken one at that, but I'm too deep in to give up the game now.
>>14161754
"/o/ is full of Ricers"
Wants a riced out bummer, top kek m8
>>14161718
My E36 328i was one of my favourite cars. That thing was pretty much bullet proof, had a few random issues over the years but no more than any japanese car I've owned.
I've been on the edge of replacing my 740 Volvo with an 520 E34 BMW, owned one M20B20 powered E34 before and while it was a slow, heavy piece of shit, it was faster than my Volvo was and a very fine winter drift machine.
>>14170109
what an absolute retard. shame on you.
Aside from the M3, the E90 335i does a 0-60 in 5.2 secs, (can easily get into high 4 secs with an ECU tune), the 330i does a 0-60 in 5.8 seconds. And only then there is the 328i with 6.1 seconds.
BMW suspensions are top tier, nothing wrong with MacPherson, even the 911 still uses it.
And if the older BMW interiors look ancient what interiors are good looking at the time according to you?
>>14165504
Maybe people would be more apt to keep up with their vehicles if mechanics were more reasonable on their prices.
>>14170340
>putting stuff on an engine in weird places that isn't necessary is good
Stay delusional
>>14170344
Its not bait
>>14170382
That's not rice, this is.
>>14171173
But that's a Civic.
>>14171234
Civic is = BMW
>>14171234
>>14171258
yeah man civic is the literally same brand as bmw
>>14171267
Well they have about the same build quality
>>14171316
ok, i know this is probably bait, but ok - build quality in what terms? interior? sound insulation? Have you ever sat in a BMW and a Honda?
>>14171389
They are both junk
>>14171406
>failure to support the argument
Discarded. Kill yourself
>>14171389
civics fall apart less than BMWs do. meme german shitboxes. all german cars are trash
>m-muh german quality
no
>>14171389
that looks like the inside of a juicy couture store. garish trash
>>14164303
that's my dreamcar to be sincere , family member . I'd love a strait-six , 2 door , 6mt BMW . Wouldn't tune it , wouldn't hoon it , i'd love to just cruise in one . I've had the chance to drive a 2L 3 series coupe with the Sport 6MT and it was cash , no power doe .
>>14161718
>>cheap to buy used
Hmm, I wonder why...?
>>14171442
My dad had bought a 2001 Civic to sell for profit, my gf`s mom had a 1998 Civic, my friend had a 2006 Civic. Having owned 4 BMWs I can assure you are wrong. All of those Civics I mentioned were even worse than equivalent VW Golfs (the Euro civic) in terms of build quality. You have got to be a masochist to enjoy owning/daily driving a >2010 Civic.
>>14171457
lol, this better?
>>14161718
The problem is with the newer generation BMWs being heavy, bloated electronically handicap pieces of shit.
>Electric steering
>3 cylinder engines
>no more N/A performance engines
They're now just as cucked as their home country. Now that ethnic Germans won't exist in a few years to continue the company, It'll be bought by the Chinese and everything that once made it great will be lost forever.
Anyone got any advice on buying an E39?
I'm looking at getting a nice little 530i for a comfy daily driver and I'm curious what exactly I should be looking for on the car.
And if any of you own one I'd really appreciate it if you could tell me what you like and don't like about the car.
>>14171613
I forgot to add
>no lsd
>>14162359
I don't remember the last time I had to replace the rear axle from my Honda - thanks Bavaria for making such quality products using shit alloys.
>>14166541
>138xxx mi
But they haven't made those in over ten years, so the mileage isn't very high but the truck is old. That motor is unstoppable though. My whole family used to drive those, we never had a motor or transmission failure. They all got wrecked in drunk driving accidents.
>>14161718
Where I live, BMW and Mercedes is what all the asian immigrants own. Never use turn signals, run red lights, can't see stop signs through their squinty eyes, etc. Almost every time somebody hits/almost hits me it's a BMW so fuck BMW's.
