How does one justify a 2-seater sports car when motorcycles offer such ridiculous value for money?
The new, praised-to-the-moon Miata is ~$25k. It's a fair-weather two-seater with a tiny bit of luggage. It drives well enough but is anything but fast.
For half that money you can have a sport bike that also seats two, with whatever luggage you can fit in a backpack, that eats million dollar sports car for breakfast. For MX-5 money you're talking an ultra-exotic hand-built all-carbon track god that will out-drag a Veyron.
tl;dr: you dream of a Ferrari but settle for a Mazda, when you could have Ferrari performance (and Lamborghini exoticism) at Kia pricing with a motorbike.
Different people like different things
>>14155658
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>>14155653
Op do you own a motorcycle or a miata? They are two compleatly different experiences some people just want a nice comfy fun to drive roadster. Some want a killer fast 2 wheel beast . You can't really compare the two and they both fill much different needs
>>14155653
I'm a fan of not dieing.
>>14155653
People who think "i want a fast car but i am poor, i know i will get a litre bike" generally tend to die within a few weeks which is why we never hear from them.
>>14155653
Because I only have room for one vehicle, and commuting 50 miles a day on a motorcycle greatly increases the risk of someone wrecking my shit. As evidenced by weekly close calls, and eventually, someone running a red light in front of me. Which killed the bike, and put me in a cast for over three months.
That wasn't my first bike, and I'll likely get another. But it won't be my DD when I do.
>>14155685
>the driver of that car was charged with manslaughter
>>14155709
I'm sure this was of great relief to the deceased motorcyclist.
Motorcycles will become a lot more attractive in a few years when all cars have computer crash avoidance. That should all but eliminate cases of drivers hitting motorcyclists because they didn't see them (which I assume accounts for almost all serious motorcycle injuries). Even better would be to fit all cars and bikes with transponders, making crashes all but impossible.
Plus, with so much control out of the drivers hands (whether they like it or not), motorcycles will be the only option for RealDrivers™ (assuming the nanny state hasn't outlawed them entirely).
>>14155752
>nanny state has power to mandate self driving cars
>nanny state hasn't banned motorcycles and anything else fun
pick one
>>14155776
I'm not sure what is pushing automakers in the self-driving car direction, except perhaps a fear of Google eating their lunch. But once these accident avoidance systems start showing up in lots of cars (as they are now) the government will probably make it mandatory; and if not the government the insurance industry will make it defacto required.
If the motorcycle was invented today the government would never allow them on the road. But people like them, so they'll probably continue to be grandfathered in even without active accident avoidance (same as they don't need airbags, seatbelts, etc.). But they really won't need it if all the cars around them have it.
I also beat those supercars.
>>14155776
self driving cars do not need to be mandated, they are happening in the next 10 years if you like it or not.
>>14155802
>Alpha Romeo releases the stunning Lotus Elise
Perspective:
ND Miata ('pure' sports car)
>$25k (starting)
>0-60: 5.9 seconds
>0-120: 28.9 (can't do 130)
>top speed: 129mph
>nurburgring: ?
Alfa 4c (less-is-more 'supercar')
>$65k (starting)
>0-60: 4.2
>0-130: 22.4
>top speed: ~155mph
>nurburgring: 8:04
Corvette Z06 (budget 'supercar')
>$80k (starting)
>0-60: 3.3
>0-130: 12
>top speed: 185 mph
>nurburgring: 6:59
LaFerrari (ultra exotic)
>$1.5m (1500k)
>0-60: 2.4
>0-130: 7.5
>top speed: 217 mph
>nurburgring: 6:59
BMW S1000RR (superbike)
>$15k
>0-60: 3.3
>0-130: ~9
>top speed: 185mph
>nurburgring: ~7:20
>>14155752
I can´t speak for the US, but here in Finland, the most common serious motorcycle accident is riding off the road aka riding too fast in a corner/not turning enough(not leaning enough).
The most injuring accident around here is tipping over when stopped or at really slow speed, but they are usually not that serious.
Car fatalities keep going down (safer vehicles I assume), while motorcycle fatalities keep going up (inattentive drivers?)
Googling, about 1/4 of motorcycle accidents are single-vehicle.
The majority of accidents involving motorcycles are due to drivers not seeing the motorcycle, turning or merging into them. Interestingly, car drivers who have motorcycle licenses are much less likely to hit a motorcycle.
>>14156260
>Interestingly, car drivers who have motorcycle licenses are much less likely to hit a motorcycle.
That seem to match my personal experience too. You just know where the dangerous zones are and check them, even when driving a car.
Not sure if an aircraft style collision avoidance system like TCAS would even work for the automated car <-> manual motorcycle scenario, but hopefully the PC will make less mistakes then the human drive now.
>>14155653
>sports car
Slower than a slowbaru.
you either drive or you ride, or you do both. nothing stopping you from both.
>>14156303
>>14156260
The fact that cars seem to have less and less visibility every year is surely a contributing factor. People are essentially riding around in tanks these days, with outward visibility to match.
>>14156328
That makes no sense re: the S2000.
>>14156343
Clearly fake.
>>14155653
Because not everyone can squeeze supercar performance out of a litrebike - nevemrind on public roads.
As far as practicality goes, the 2 seater will be better. It's got an extra set of wheels, usually at least some kind of closed luggage compartment that doesn't affect handling, and you're shielded from the elements and, to some degree, soccer moms in SUV's.
Which leaves us with performance. Think you can make a litrebike perform as good as a supercar in the straight line? That's plausible.
Think you can do it in a corner? On public roads? You're a madman, or a MotoGP rider- the difference is negligeable.
To sum it up:
Practicality: car
Straight line acceleration: bike
Cornering: car
>>14156082
>implying you can get a new Z06 for 80L
>implying it does a 6:59
>implying it doesn't take massive balls and skill to do a 8:00 lap around the Ring on a bike, nevermind a 7:20
>>14156260
>Interestingly, car drivers who have motorcycle licenses are much less likely to hit a motorcycle.
Of course they are. I'm always thinking ''what if I was a newbie motorcyclist, where would I be the least visible'' and check those spots. This >>14156336 too.
>>14156451
This. I get why many people love fast bikes, but saying they make sports cars pointless is just stupid.
>>14156459
Looking again, the Z06 is reported at 7:08 on the ring
>>14156544
>http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/news/a26008/corvette-z06-nurburgring-time-rumor/
>UPDATE: The Corvette Z06 Did Not Run the Nurburgring in 7:08
And even if it did, 7:08 =/= 6:59
I wonder if there is a bigger gap between what the average motorcycle rider is capable of vs. a pro, and the average car driver vs. a pro.
Now that motorbikes are getting more drivers aids that cars have had for a while (traction control, ABS, rev matching, etc.) I figure whatever gap there is will narrow up.
>>14155653
Some people like to have fun, but can't afford to insure more than 1 vehicle. That means buying a fun commuter that can be used in all weather conditions.
I could go off-roading with a KLR-650 instead of a Wrangler, but i can't do it without getting covered in mud.
Then there's the whole safety thing,
http://vodlocker.com/qykikpsmpteo
>@1:40
>>14156554
There is a huge gap between the average motorcyclist and a pro, espceially compared to car drivers. Keep in mind, that the gap between a car ''enthousiast'' and a pro driver is usually even smaller, whereas most motorcyclists already qualify as an ''enthousiast'', they are usually already looking to improve performance, do riders courses, do some trackdays, practice vehicle control etc.
So for cars:
Average < ''car guy'' <<< pro driver
and for motorcyclists:
average/enthousiast <<<<< pro rider.
Sure, driver aids help, but they don't sufficiently close the gap. Rev matching is easy to learn anyways (most of my friends who ride know how to) on a sequential box.
Traction control does kind of close the gap, although not by much. it's only really effective when exiting a corner.
ABS even widens the gap. A pro driver will outbrake an ABS-equipped bike.
>>14156554
I'm gonna guess that the gap is narrower in bikes because at least in the West bikes are pretty much exclusively used by enthusiasts, and even if 50% of riders ride cruisers and touring bikes, there's still a higher ratio of people interested in going fast than in cars.
>>14156577
>ABS even widens the gap. A pro driver will outbrake an ABS-equipped bike.
This is always and forever bullshit.
>>14155707
RIP white busa anon
>>14155831
>Alpha
errytiem
>>14155653
Because my wife has no motorcycle licence.
>>14155653
comparing bikes and cars is stupid and you should feel bad. they offer totally different experiences.
>why buy a snowboard when you can buy a surfboard
>>14156580
Nah, I'd say that exclusively applies to Europe. Going fast for american motorcyclists consists of blasting down in a straight line on a supersport 600/1000.
>>14155685
That dude was driving WAY too fast for that much traffic. Also, you can also die in a car also.
>>14156328
>meme pictures with no proof
>willow springs being taken seriously for anything
>>14156577
>this post is pants on head retarded
>muhh feelss!
How does one justify a motorcycle when model rockets offer such ridiculous value for the money? You can build a big model rocket for $50, attach a knockoff GoPro for another $50, go 0 to 450mph in 1.7 seconds, and have 0 chance of dying.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPfTv9pSPh8
>>14156303
meme picture with no proof photoshopped
>>14158157
You can't ride model rockets though.
Bikes are suicide machine anon, but god damn they are fun.
>>14156328
Love these meme pics
>>14155653
3 reasons i'm trading my motorcycle for a car
1.Weather
2.Dumbass Drivers
3.Worried about Nigs stealing bike
i like bikes but people here drive like shit so i'd be too scared to daily one
>>14156082
bikes cant turn like roadsters though
>>14159964
"Damn I should I have rode my ninja instead of a scooter"
Are strobing bike lights (for noticeability) legal everywhere? (in North America?)
Other ideas for being noticed (and not hit)?
