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so everyone on /o/ with a small Japanese Nippon mobile seems to hate any American cars, and vice versa.
my question is who else actually doesn't give a shit? they both have their obvious benefits.
which leads to my point, of why don't people have both. A muscle car, and an "import" for a DD.
nip cars get better gas mileage, good traction in all scenarios (FWD), are cheap to own and are reliable, drive nicely, handle good etc.
(good) American cars are usually much more powerful, much faster, better acceleration, better handling at speed, better braking, more stability, comfortable, better for highways, etc
anyone with a job can easily afford a muscle car and an economy car. so why the hate between the two
>i personally own an LS1 T/A and a 1.5l Civic DX hatch
why not you?
Plenty of people are the same as you, the internet just gives mouth breathing retards a louder voice, especially /o/. Gonna debate you on better braking stock for stock though.
>Gonna debate you on better braking stock for stock though.
well my 4th gen TA out-brakes the fuck out any eco car i've driven
my civic has fucking drums on the rear. and tiny single piston fronts. it's only good enough because the car is light and not going very fast
I feel lucky not to be part of the nationalistic shit flinging that comes with car culture. I only rank brands and cars on their own merits, not by the country they come from. I'd gladly have a high displacement Foxbody and a high boost S-Chassis in my garage.
Because for a long time Nippon did sports cars better for cheaper and with a smaller displacement engine and better fuel economy
2005ish to about now was a shitty time for Japanese sports cars (there were hardly any) nissan went full shit mode and stopped giving a fuck
>>14155058
I guess I'm more talking about the Japanese performance cars with good brakes. Just less inertia to counteract with less mass moving forward.
Tons of people don't give a shit about muscle vs rice box
They have other interests because they don't care about automobiles outside of if it gets them to their destination.
I only stuck around after vinbro told showed me my car report because I was interested in what sort of kids who just learned how to drive would act in a community.
The answer is: like kids, but it's endearing enough that I'm still here.
>>14155068
>i wish my car was a lexus
i would too they're nice af
I love all modified cars.
>not ironically shitposting
its like you hate fun OP
>>14155073
>smaller displacement engine
>better fuel economy
>>14155089
Rotary is a bit different.
I'm more impressed at how Mitsubishi managed to make this 4-banger drink more than most V6's. It's an engineering miracle.
>>14155088
>0-60mph : 2.4
it's not. even.close.
>>14155089
>one car
>all Japanese cars have bad fuel economy
You from 0 to full retard
Anyway the 13b was a great turbo engine for a car that is purely a sports car
>>14155075
you saying my civic isnt a performance car?
>>14155011
>which leads to my point, of why don't people have both.
Dude, my goal is to get one of everything eventually
>>14155092
>what is AWD
>>14155103
The fuck does that have to do with anything he said, fuck off
>>14155103
Takumi lad pls go
There are performance trims, the type rs and whatnot, but not a normal civic
>>14155110
It's moreso the assloads of boost I think.
Every car and type of car has its own advantages and disadvantages. No car is perfect for everyone, but there is at least one or two cars in the world that you would consider absolutely perfect, or very close to it.
I know there are hardcore car enthusiasts with money that would say that Japanese Hot Hatches and American Muscle Cars are hopelessly outmatched by Ferraris from the 50s onward (but especially 60s-80s). Others might say British GTs are unequaled in their superiority. And then you have the people who like less expensive cars and even collect them to some degree.
The thing about car enthusiasm is that you really can't be wrong because its all about opinion and preference. But some of the more childish people in the community absolutely can't stand the idea that someone has a radically different opinion than they do, and so they have to devote their time hopelessly trying to prove that person's opinions wrong, and given 4chan's reputation as a wasp's nest that attracts all sorts of underaged pre-teens and teens who feel that they absolutely must be as edgy as contrarian as possible because there is no other reason for 4chan to exist, then stuff like /o/ happens.
>>14155088
>0-60: 2.4 s
>0-100: 5.7 s
>1/8 mi: 12.4 s
My sides holy kek
>>14155122
19lbs of boost stock, isn't it?
>>14155115
why not?
>>14155129
I agree but I'd like to think stancefags and ricers are doing it wrong.
>>14155092
i believe there is a power-economy-reliablity love triangle.
you cannot have all three without the hidden fourth factor of cost going up exponentially.
an evo is very reliable, very powerful, not very efficient.
a gm LS v8 is very reliable, somewhat powerful and somewhat efficient.
there is always a trade-off. always.
power goes up, efficiency goes down. when they both go up, reliability suffers.
Honda even acknowledges this with their small-engines. The engines that are designed specifically for fuel-economy are noted less reliable.
>>14155139
>an evo is very reliable
I'd like to believe this since I'm planning on importing a 7 to Canada, but this isn't really what I've heard from anyone.
>>14155135
Because it's a fucking economy car and was engineered and built as such. It's the same way with wrx stis and whatnot, you don't see people calling the regular imprezas performance cars.
>>14155139
Honda knows young guys just beat the piss out their engines
It really is remarkable how dependable and reliable honda engines are
>>14155149
a Mitsubishi 4G63T is with the best 4 cylinder engines ever built when it comes to power and reliability.
>>14155162
>tfw your d15b2 throws a rode through the block when cruising. had good oil/cooling everything
pretty much because the block was cast from old leaves or something.
hondas are not magic
>>14155129
Are you trying to say fwd vs rwd is a stupid bullshit only people who don't drive argue over
>>14155174
>d engine
I haven't driven any honda economy cars so I wouldn't know but I'm in the track fairly often and you'll always see Honda's hauling ass while other cars are already doing cool down laps after 3 laps
>>14155188
Exactly.
>>14155190
They may also just have been smart enough to beef up their cooling systems.
>>14155199
I refuse to accept that
That would mean I've been wasting my life all this time
I can't stop until FF drivers accept that they're morons and will never be on the same level as rwd
>>14155188
People who drive argue over FWD vs RWD, but they don't *shitpost* about it. They don't post Initial D memes and respond with golden meme faces. There is usually some attempt at discussion, rather than grasping for an undeserved moment of feeling superiority for liking a thing a thing that you like.
>>14155212
>can't stop
That's because of your crippling autism
>>14155212
Everybody knows 95% of honda "enthusiast" guys are retards, the other 5% have pretty nice machines regardless of drivetrain.
>>14155214
Ff sucks
>>14155212
Yes way to shit up the thread
This meme is getting so old, any interesting threads that pop up this retard just shit posts spam until everyone leaves the thread
>>14155223
Ah perfect, someone who doesn't drive shows up right on time.
>>14155221
tfw just want to fix my civic up for a slow efficient DD while the muscle sleeps in the garage
>>14155232
C O R E Y C O R E Y C O R E Y I N T H E T H R E A D
>>14155237
So you admit fwd is inferior
>>14155221
All the honda enthusiasts I know actually race there machines including myself
>>14155243
You have found some 5 percenters, then.
>>14155241
What?
>>14155242
it's better for traction in wet conditions, its better for a small car because there's more room on the inside, and its good for efficiency because lightweight design and less drivetrain inertia
but it is overall inferior for anything less than low-speed cornering
>>14155237
Poorly worded on my part, you don't think your civic is a god machine, so you're aight.
A car can be slow but fun
>>14155268
just not THAT fun.
funner than walking, funner than public transport
>>14155254
Anon/Corey/MR RECARO/Takumi lad>>14155223
Same sun, different day
>>14155285
Racing in slow shitbox rental karts with shit tires > TAG or shifter or outlaw class
>>14155258
OK dude
>>14155273
how many le mans winners were FWD
how many indy 500 winners were FWD
how many 24 hour daytona winners were FWD
how many monaco grand prix winners were FWD
>>14155273
Do you really want Shingo to represent FF drivers? Guy is a fucking cunt.
>>14155273
>You literally can't even drive a RWD in the rain, let alone the snow or any other type of adverse weather
my torsen-diff equipped RWD has better traction than any FWD car ever.
two 9.6" wide tires turning compared to your tiny economy car spinning 1 itty bitty wheel.
>more room, better for things and passengers
this is correct.
> It takes at least a 5.0 liter engine to even compete with a hatchback civic and a few simple mods and even then it's still an easy win for the hatchback.
this is incorrect. it would take my hatch a full swap and turbo build to even KEEP UP with my stock muscle car. a d-series turbo is wayy slower than a stock LS1.
>20mpg avg in a 300hp car
>30mpg avg in a 100hp car
also
FRONT WHEEL DRIVE CAN'T DRIFT
>>14155329
>get BTFO on all fronts
>post shitty gutted niggerwalk comic
>>14155011
I'm Aussie and don't really give a fuck as long as its a performance car..
I've owned a few aussie/murrican v8s and a few jap turbo cars.
I'm not a huge fan of Hondas though, do love the s2000 and nsx.. But I'd never own one.
>>14155011
I own a GT86 but would gladly own a Chevy SS.
My only beef against muscle cars is that most of them try too hard. The Chevy SS (or Holden in general) knows how to do understated muscle.
>>14155311
>fwd can't drift
>>14155345
i like hondas because they're cool little cars when they are tasteful
all i want are clean oem panels and bumpers. nothing aftermarket that ruins the styling
i wouldn't go dump $10k in mawdz on one, but you could. very easily. and it would be a really fun car and i see the appeal
but a real RWD sports car is funner to drive
>>14155344
>b-but muh racear
>>14155311
>>14155304
>falling for pasta
>>14155308
That's presumably the joke.
>>14155351
>The Chevy SS (or Holden in general) knows how to do understated muscle.
i think the chevy SS looks like a Malibu, being way too understated for a muscle car.
>>14155361
Nope
>>14155011
I have an LS1 in an X80 Toyota.
Checkmate atheists.
>>14155372
w-what?
>>14155368
though i have to say do prefer the SS to the styling of a 5th gen camaro
>>14155368
>>14155385
I just prefer muscle cars looking like sleepers. The GNX is my favorite muscle car from that era, and all it looks like is a black buick.
JP imports should look flashy, DE imports should look deutsch efficient, and US muscle should be in sleepers
>>14155397
i would maybe argue that the 4th gen cars without the ws6 option "nostrils" on the hood are actually pretty subtle
it's more elegant than the aggressive looking WS6. much smoother lines on hood and a lot more subtle curves
>>14155397
>JP imports should look flashy
kek that's because japcrap is all bark and no bite
>>14155437
Typical American, go shine some chrome faggot
>>14155477
>l-laptimes dont matter ;_;
t. 2nd place
>>14155481
>laptimes brah
>most rwd sports cars are actually fast. most FWD cars are actually slow
>>14155481
No idea why I'm responding to this but
Literally the only time laptimes matter is if you are autocrossing your car, and not many people do. If you are driving on the road, driving enjoyment can ONLY be determined by feel, and what feels good is subjective. Even if you can afford to go to track days, you are usually only racing yourself.
>>14155481
It's not that they don't matter, just that they're not the end of the world. The laptimes you should be focusing on are you own. "How do I go faster, with both my driving style and car modifications? Can I brake a few feet later into that corner?" Etc. And also learn how to have stupid fun like chucking the car sideways.
>>14155480
>>14155437
Inbred hicks who care about nationality pls go back to /int/
>>14155477
It's funny because usually it's the people who drive FR who obsess over performance and laptimes...until FF argues using same fact based logic, then they're benchracers who only care about numbers
It's insane
You guys need to stop posting on here and drive more
>>14155488
>b-but muh supercar
>>14155500
I think the only people who obsess over benchracing laptimes drive Playstation controllers, not any drivetrain of car.
>>14155011
I don't give a fucking shit.
I own a GTR and i think american muscle is great, unfortunately i can't get it here without a 150k luxury car tax and 50k import tax.
I'm more mad about my government. V8's are awesome and at least the vette can fucking turn, unlike my country's v8's.
>>14155011
I like japanese cars, but I don't hate US or Euro cars. Except the Scion XB. I do not like that car one bit.
>>14155504
Can you find even one example on the internet, literally ANYWHERE on the internet, where someone refers to the 86 as a supercar? Because certainly nobody on /o/ has ever claimed this.
>>14155129
I agree, with the exception of stancefags.
What they don't understand is a few degrees of camber is good for performance to help keep your car stable at over 250km/h.
A few degrees. Not 25 fucking degrees. And we all know they're never hitting over 200, it's purely for look and is actually killing their performance.
>>14155522
I think he was trying to inb4 faster rwds, which is fucking hilarious given the Type R's status as an expensive godmachine for front wheel drives.
>>14155511
>V8's are awesome and at least the vette can fucking turn, unlike my country's v8's.
oh wow a 100k+ 2 seater sports car is faster than a family sedan around a track? great observation bro
>the vette is pure trash btw
>>14155535
He's just complaining that Australia doesn't make a sports car like the corvette.
>>14155538
Or wherever he is, I can't read apparently.
>>14155525
>implying stancefags go full crazy with negative camber because they think it helps with performance
kek. they know what theyre doing and they do it anyway. you arent a genius for pointing out something obvious to everyone
>a few degrees of camber is good for performance to help keep your car stable at over 250km/h
see, you dont even have any idea what youre talking about. just shut up
>>14155011
it is far more likely that /o/ just hates drivers in large number than cars.
>>14155543
To be fair, every stancefag I've seen on the road boyraces around between bouts of being stuck.
>Mods deleting pasta but not other blatant shitposting
I own a mustang GT and an aw11
I don't give a fuck about /o/ memes. I drive and own cars of which I like, simple as that
>>14155011
You're a generalizing moron.
>>14155011
i love a lot of random things. i love BIG COMFY boats, but i also love really simple cars like the LADA NIVA
the only thing im not into are new cars and supercars and other things i cant pay for.
Bump for non-cancer thread
FUCK american muscle
>American cars are usually much more powerful, much faster, better acceleration
depends on how fat it is but yes generally, if youre comparing to 4cyl hondas
>better handling at speed, better braking
ahaha. no.
>more stability
around a corner lol fucking no way, cruising down the highway yeah sure
>comfortable
kek gm/ford/dodge interiors
>>14160516
>has never drove a modern muscle car
a honda feels stable up to like 100mph. after that its a fucking death trap.
i would NEVER feel comfortable actually cornering in FWD car at that speed.
>>14161751
That's what makes you a shitty driver
>>14161751
You can't corner a muscle car at 100mph, period
>>14160516
New mustang, the z28, and a zr1 are all potent track day cars. Check them out, you might be impressed.
I know in the hands of a professional driver, a z28 is typically faster around a track than a nismo GTR.
>>14161774
90+ mph in my trans am around corners. not on a track.
your shitbox ricers can't even get to that speed before the corner, let alone go around it at that speed
you guys really don't know what RWD can actually do when you know how to drive.
>(good) American cars are usually much more powerful
What is the RB26 and 2JZ Johnny
>>14161866
276 hp stock
>but they were in the fast and furious bro
>>14161858
you guys really don't know what FWD can actually do when you know how to drive
>>14160516
Confirmed posters ff is slower than snek
>>14161991
I know for a fact that a '91 honda civic on aftermarket wheel/tire setup and suspension mods still feels rather unstable and bouncy at really high speed.
my STOCK trans am feels better at high speed. the only time a honda really has better handling response is at slower speed.
they are small, lightweight, great for tight corners. you know what all that equates too? slow-speed cornering abilities.
civics are not great at high speed cornering. nor are they really that great at high-speed anything.
ricers are so delusional they think FWD hatches are like Lamborghini-tier handling or something. mostly because they feel GREAT at low-speed; and that's all they ever get to.
>>14162041
whats your problem
>>14161920
>AND THEY BEAT THE HEMI
>caring about fuel economy
>caring about track times from factory testings
Kek. If you like old American muscle, then buy one. If you like turbo imports then buy one. Just don't expect your muscle car to handle aswell as an AWD evo and don't expect your evo to veat v8 monsters on tge drag strip. Different cars are suited to different things.
>>14162226
/thread
>>14162226
This post will be ignored because it's sensible and ends discussion
