What's your opinion of the Jeep Renegade? Do you think it can be off-road viable like the small 4x4s before it? Ex. Sidekick/tracker, samurai etc.
>>14145870
Yes, it is off road viable. The real issue with it is that it's way too expensive.
It's expensive, and the auto transmission is made of wood and glass. Good luck finding manual one .
>>14145927
>less than 20k
>too expensive
lolwat
Anything is offroad viable if you got da cash my nigga
>>14145927
Yeah, if you get the trailhawk. There's also a 1.4t manual starting at 17k
>>14145936
The base model doesn't get 4x4.
the trailhawk is off road viable, more than viable really, it scampers real well
but it's too cute to be taken seriously by jeep diehards
>>14145870
It is literally a rebadged fiat 500x with a few cosmetic changes. And no, a samurai or tracker with upgrades that make them cost the same as the renegade would blow it away offroading.
>>14145935
Is the 9 speed auto really that bad?
>>14145966
It's 18k for a 4x4 base model
I think it's a travesty to compare the pig-fat and articulation-less Renegade to the Samurai, an offroad legend in every regard. The most fun I've hard offroad was in my friend's old woods truck Samurai, stock except for narrow tractor tires. You can literally just pick a line through the woods with that thing. We ended up trying to scramble up an insanely steep slope and slammed the corner of the bumper into a sapling, bending it into the front tire and locking the steering. Tried to bend it back with a comealong tied to his F250 but the damn Samurai would just get dragged towards the truck. He ended up taking an angle grinder to it. Good times.
In regards to trackers and such, my bro has a stick shift XL7, the long wheelbase one. No lift, just some A/T tires. Not a hardcore rock crawler by any means but surprisingly capable considering the lack of clearance.
Long story, no the Renegade is shit.
>>14145936
>>14145962
The Trailhawk is the only one worth shit off road and equipping it comparable to pretty much every modern car will push it to 30k+. It's too expensive.
>>14145977
*had offroad
You could buy an 8k tj put 37s, axles, lockers, and a long arm on it and come in under the price of a renegade.
>>14145968
>>14145978
/thread
>>14145972
Ever so gently more than 20k.
>>14145969
Yes.
I am really thinking about getting a trail hawk version. I live in America so there's not a lot of fuel efficient 4x4s, so it seems like a good idea. The 2.4 SOHC engine puts out about 180hp, the only thing I'm worried about is the automatic transmission. What should I do?
>>14145983
And then you'll have a piece of shit that can only go off road. Until it breaks something.
>>14145993
Why are you worried about the transmission?
>>14145983
The renegade is more than capable for light duty trail stuff. It's also better for day to day stuff. Kinda like the Cherokee from the 80s and 90s. Its off road ability is above average for most stock vehicles while still making for an effective daily driver.
It has a mic interior
>>14145997
>can only go offroad
literally no..
>break
it's not going to break ever.
nocars / automatic fwd owners please exit the thread.
>>14145993
If you have the parking space for it, here's whatyou do:
Buy an efficient commuter for everyday driving, and then a $3-5k used SUV and set aside some money for maintenance and modifications. You get a car that's better on the road than the renegade, and a capable rig that you don't feel bad beating on a bit. It's the best decision I ever made.
>>14146005
I sat in it. It's better in person and is kinda cozy. Not the best.
>>14145870
>off-road viable
Nope, it's just too low even with lift kit.
>>14146003
Chrysler's 9 speed has been an unmitigated disaster, just read some KL Cherokee forums.
>>14146003
I've read some renegade threads talking about problems with the transmission.. Things like not shifting properly and extremely hard shifts when it does.
>>14145993
If you're dead set, get a manual one.
The 9-speed auto is kind of dodgy. I'm sure they've worked out all the bugs since its launch but I still wouldn't trust it personally.
>>14146008
>literally no..
It will be pure garbage on the road.
>it's not going to break ever.
Yes, it will. Have you seen a Jeep before? They're designed very weakly.
>>14146008
Not him but shits gunna break on a tj. I love jeeps as much as the next guy but driving a car with such a short wheelbase and 37 inch tires is going to suck cock.
>>14146022
If I were buying a Renegade and going off road I would want the 9 speed auto. It needs all the gear reduction it can get since it has a single speed transfer case. Also I'm fairly sure the Trailhawk doesn't have the manual available.
>>14146025
no they aren't
it wont be pure garbage, but it wont be a car.
dont think op cares since this thread is specifically about offroading not traffic cruising.
>>14146029
They don't have a manual trailhawk, so I agree on the automatic.
>>14146011
https://youtu.be/UP_rTCarZ04
It's pretty capable. Not mind blowing but good nonetheless.
>>14146033
>no they aren't
Yea, they are.
>it wont be pure garbage
It will be.
I know you've never seen a Jeep product in your life, so please stop posting.
>>14146026
dailyd one with 35s for 3 years. was pretty normal.
>>14146029
If you know what you're doing a manual is much more enjoyable offroad.
Also lol Jeep reliability.
Gp find yourself an old XJ Cherokee.
>>14146033
OP here. I specifically mentioned offroading because I know it's more of a commuter car. I do care about both off road and on road capability, just more worried about the off road aspects
>>14146039
see: >>14146043
literally no issues ever with anything on it.
and it was exactly like driving a lifted truck.
offroad vehicles only get scary on the road when they are purpose built crawlers with 40's and super soft basically non existent suspension with no sway bars.
>>14146045
Enjoying it more doesn't make it better. Even with the 9 speed automatic the capability of the Renegade Trailhawk is actually hamstrung by the lack of engine power/lack of more gear reduction.
>>14145870
>Do you think it can be off-road viable like the small 4x4s before it?
No, pic related is why. With completely independent suspension you might as well buy a honda crv. It's also a pain to get bigger tires under it and it doesn't come with any lockers or a good approach or departure angle.
>>14146070
forgot pic
>>14146009
this. x1000
>>14146069
>Enjoying it more doesn't make it better.
>>14146009
I don't have the parking space or I would.
>>14146009
this goes for basically anything. i never understood people who compromise on a daily driver with 'fun' aspects.. just buy a fucking civic hatch and then buy another car/truck/w/e for fun.
unless you can afford like a 50k+ actual nice sports car it's fucking pointless to try and get something "fun" or "capable" that you can also DD. you're just going to end up with something that isn't good at either.
>>14146070
>With completely independent suspension
It's fine.
>>14146070
What makes completely independent suspension so bad offroad?
>>14146122
Nothing, he's just a moron.
Looks pretty off road capable here.
>>14146122
It's just not the best
>>14146250
What makes it "not the best?"
Interesting that Wrangler sales keep going up and up, probably because it's the only game in town these days as far as a small capable off-roader.
Besides fuel economy is there anything not to like about them?
>>14146270
Ride quality and price mostly.
>>14146270
They handle like shit, but you'd have to be retarded to expect good handling from a wrangler.
>>14146270
They're weak as shit and expensive, that's something not to like.
>>14146277
I assume there's a lot of profit in the Wrangler, given the long generation times, but still the price doesn't seem unreasonable. They have have (AFAIK) the lowest depreciation of any vehicles that aren't collectable sports cars, so you'll get money out of it in the end.
>>14146293
The car literally starts out at $24k with no air conditioning and no power windows.
>>14146311
good price desu
>>14146311
>wanting that shit on an off-roader
How legit was/is the FJ Cruiser? I can't remember what those cost either.
>>14146326
You're an idiot.
>>14146336
It was slightly better than the 4Runner, but not enough to deal with the stupid quirks and hideous looks.
>>14146347
Interesting factoid: aside from departure angle, a FJ is no different in terms of ground clearance, approach or breakover angle than a bone stock 3rd gen 4Runner. It just looks "tougher," although I prefer the much more logical and utilitarian looks of the 4Runner.
>>14146363
The somewhat improved angles are what made it slightly better. I would rather have a 4th or 5th generation 4Runner than an FJ.
When was the last time a Jimny-based vehicle was sold in North America (at one time it seemed like it sold under like 12 different brands).
>>14146336
I love mine.
Fulltime AWD and a low range box, locker out back. Steel bumpers and rock rails. Only problem is the crappy v6, which will be rectified with an LS or Toyota 5.7 swap in the coming year.
I plan on keeping mine until the sun swallows the earth.
Mine is the green one. The pink one is used in offroad events around the world.
The Compass, Renegade, and Patriot are all pretty much the same price. What's the difference as far as target market?
>>14146388
The 1GR is fine.
>>14146421
The renegade is smaller and more off road oriented.
>>14146326
You are literally retarded.
>>14146381
I don't know, but I would've drove the shit out of this thing. My neighbor has a X-90, but won't sell it. Fuck I love small 4x4s
>>14146375
My ass is always dragging (factory towbar) on my 3rd gen, but it's not really used for hard trails, mostly just getting to remote campsites so I'm okay with it. I can't stand the interior of FJs, needlessly poor visibility and those retarded half-doors.
>>14146426
Seriously, I've never heard anyone call the 4.0L crappy before. I've had some 2014 4Runner rentals for work and the motor is a peach, the throttle is just calibrated into basically permanent Eco-mode. Gets some good mileage too, for what it is.
>>14146122
>>14146142
>>14146250
>>14146253
Independent suspension has less articulation, is more difficult and more expensive to lift, has more parts that can break, and is more complicated to fix
>>14146568
Stock vs stock the amount of articulation is the same. Lifting isn't more difficult, but most people don't lift vehicles correctly in the first place. I don't know why you think it has more parts that can break or that it is more complicated to fix.
>>14146577
>Stock vs stock the amount of articulation is the same
You have no idea what you're talking about. A renegade couldn't even come close to this. And why do you assume that most people incorrectly lift vehicles in the first place?
The reviews on YouTube of the renegade off road look pretty good. They all use the trailhawk which has better angles due to different bumpers.
>>14146587
>You have no idea what you're talking about. A renegade couldn't even come close to this.
Because the Renegade is a comparable vehicle. If you compare, say, a Land Cruiser 80 to a 200, the amount of flexibility is the same. Flexibility is pretty highly overrated, anyway.
>And why do you assume that most people incorrectly lift vehicles in the first place?
Because they don't consider things suspension, steering, or driveline geometry and just throw springs and, maybe, new shocks on it. That's why you see so many people with short arm Jeeps and 4" lifts.
>>14146605
the articulation isn't the same. I don't have the numbers for how high this is, but I can guarantee that it is lower than >>14146587 is
and while the person who owns the Jeep usually doesn't consider those things, you know who does? The company who manufactures the lift. The ones with a 4" short arm lifts are the ones who just got it for looks, which means nothing when you're trying to compare the off-road capability to another. The fact is that there are long arm lifts available that provide maximum articulation for a wrangler, while the same does not exist for the renegade.
>>14146640
>the articulation isn't the same.
Because you're comparing two different vehicles.
>The company who manufactures the lift
The amount of fly by night companies in Jeepland that don't do this is very high. The ones that do have expensive kits that most people aren't buying.
>which means nothing when you're trying to compare the off-road capability to another.
Comparing modified vehicles is completely idiotic in the first place, since you can basically do anything once you start replacing structural components like suspension arms.
>The fact is that there are long arm lifts available that provide maximum articulation for a wrangler, while the same does not exist for the renegade.
What? There's more aftermarket for a vehicle that's been around for 10 years than there is for one that's been around for about 1? Color me surprised as fuck.
>>14145870
If my mother were looking to buy a new car, it is the one I would recommend to her.
>>14146426
It has an oil sludging problem. It's not hard to find pics. Just google 1gr oil sludging. Is it a big deal, eh, not really I don't go by recommendations of the factory I'm more anal than that. But it is indeed a thing if you abide by the factory specs.
Also, on a heavy truck having a power peak as high as it is on that engine is just stupid. It's a bad fit for a truck. Not enough low down grunt, and pointless high end pull.
>>14146564
Also, I get 2mpg better around town in a new Suburban with a v8 than in a 2014 4runner with the 1gr V6. It's a tolerable engine, not a good one.
>>14146661
>Because you're comparing two different vehicles.
well no shit, there's not going to be a vehicle out there offered in both fully independent and fully solid axle suspension. Find me any fully independent vehicle that has more articulation than the wrangler does. Pro tip: you can't
>The amount of fly by night companies in Jeepland that don't do this is very high. The ones that do have expensive kits that most people aren't buying.
You're assuming that because there are some shit companies out there, all the companies must be shit? That's just throwing the baby out with the bath water.
>Comparing modified vehicles is completely idiotic in the first place, since you can basically do anything once you start replacing structural components like suspension arms.
you're the one who brought it upo in the first place, don't get so upset about it.
>What? There's more aftermarket for a vehicle that's been around for 10 years than there is for one that's been around for about 1? Color me surprised as fuck.
The aftermarket of the renegade is never even going to become a fraction of that of the wrangler. This is because it does not appeal to enthusiasts. Look at the fj cruiser and xterra. They have a decent size aftermarket because they are relatively suited for off-roading, but the wrangler has a larger one because it is the best for off-roading. There might be a couple of companies out there that make some aftermarket support for it, but it will likely be similar to the nearly nonexistent aftermarket support of the new cherokees.
>>14146706
this nigga cannot suck jeep dick enough. does the cum cost extra or is that the one standard feature?
>>14146568
There's a Renegade lift out right now for $400.
>>14145870
My cousin has one and hers had a huge panel gap on the spoiler in the back. It seemed nice on the inside, but FCA...
>>14146013
It's using the shitty ZF 9 speed that the TLX sadly uses on the V6 which would magically come out of park by itself.
>>14147613
Uh, did you stop and think that maybe it is clearance?
>>14147626
It was only like that on one side of the spoiler
>>14146577
Howabout all of the control arms and their bushings and other components versus simple tried and true leaf springs? And the fact that solid axles are heavier, stiffer and stronger than independent set-ups.
>>14145962
2wd as well
It looks like a toy car with its build quality.
>>14145870
HEY HEY HEY
HEY HEY HEY
LIVING LIKE WE'RE RENEGADES
Hellcat Grand Cherokee when?
>>14147963
Never, that's dumb as fuck
>>14147963
SRT4 renegade when
>fugly ass design on par with the Nissan Juke
>feminine, cheap interior
>2.4L meme
>$33k full loaded
Mistakes were made.
>>14147989
>>fugly ass design on par with the Nissan Juke
Subjective.
>>feminine, cheap interior
Subjective.
>>2.4L meme
Memespouting.
>>$33k full loaded
Find me a better off and on road capable new vehicle for less. Protip: you can't.
>>14147963
Another year.
http://www.caranddriver.com/features/2017-jeep-grand-cherokee-trackhawk-25-cars-worth-waiting-for-feature
>>14148019
>Find me a better off and on road capable new vehicle for less.
For the same price you can have a KL Cherokee Trailhawk. For not much more you can have a 4Runner Trail.
>>14148048
You can get a not liftable Cherokee or you can get a base model 4runner. Yeah no thanks.
>>14148182
There's nothing stopping you from lifting a KL Cherokee, not that it matters, and the Trail isn't base.
>>14148182
I'd take a base model (SR5) 4Runner over any Renegade, any day of the week. I don't even care about the MPG difference at that point, the 4Runner is a VASTLY better vehicle.
>>14146280
TJs could handle pretty well if put in heavier springs.
I ran the Springs and Shocks out the a JK Rubicon w/ Hardtop and Tow Package. Both Front and Rear were stiffest and the Shocks were monotubes.
Pretty easy to drift round corners even in the dry, even easier in the wet. Could carry a lot of speed through corners if you had some bravery and ability.
>>14145870
It's "off road viable" in the sense that you can drive it on dirt trails and if you put enough money into it, it will be more capable than the average FWD sedan.
If you're looking for something that's going to take a beating and keep going reliably for two decades or longer with minimal maintenance in environments that are harsh on vehicles (not just on people), then no. It's not going to be "off road viable" for you.
It gets by in a lot of areas that trucks you wouldn't think of as "off road vehicles" would tackle with ease. It's a crossover/econobox with the nameplate of a brand known for building a few "off road" vehicles in the past.
>>14146388
After the 100 series land cruiser, Toyota suvs turned to shit.
>>14148708
B-but muh 'trail rated' badge and muh cool commercials showing it fording a 3" deep trickling stream and then driving on a gravel driveway...
>>14148730
You're a moron.
>>14148919
>wah, he called my shitbox by its name.
>>14148708
If you believe this, you better believe this about all Jeeps.
I almost bought a Trailhawk in blue.
But then I bought a 7th gen Honda Accord.
Gud car, I r8 it 8/8 m8
(both the renegade and accord)
Nobody's mentioned the Xterra? It's the last (unless I'm forgetting something) of the old-style pickup-based compact SUVs.
4x4 w/ a 4 litre v6 and 6-speed manual for ~$25k msrp.
With the $30k off-road model you get locking diff, selectable low-range transfer case, and clutch start/cancel.
4Runner will set you back at least $10k more for equivalent specs, and if a Colorado-based SUV comes out it'll probably be priced like the 4Runner.
What's not to like about the Xterra?
>>14147983
This
>260+ HP
>manual
>crawl ratio
All my want
>>14145969
Lets just say they like to Renegrenade
>>14146073
Is that a Honda?
>>14149638
No, a FAMAS
>>14145870
>FCA
Sister owns the limited. It's comfy, capable for what it is: a mall crawler. Maybe the trail hawk would be useful off road, but from my experience driving and riding in this jeep around town and on the highway, it's comfy and well insulated. Cool shit as far as the climate control goes. Infotainment system is decent. Aux input is in a fucky spot, down near the cup holders below the whole centre console. All in all, comfy/10, fuel efficient/10, mediocre/10
>>14145993
>fuel efficient
>4x4
>looking at AWD panda
saving something as insignificant as 3 MPG over the lifetime of a vehicle is a stupid reason to look at one of the worst brands for reliability available.
>>14149870
>looking at AWD Focus
>>14149446
Love my Xterra, even though I didn't get the pro-4x package. The manual trans is great.
>>14149870
hurr durr le FCA = shit meeme
>>14152025
It is a meme for a reason, billy bob. Now go back to fucking your cousin
Just face it. The Renegade is the best off road viable, fuel efficient new vehicle.
>>14152040
yeah he mad
>>14152056
Yeah I guess he >>14152025 is mad. It is hard to not be when defending such a shit brand.
>>14149446
Definitely a bang for the buck champ, but boy is that $10k difference with the 4Runner felt when you sit in or drive one. I manged to find one of the final '15 6spd Pro-4Xs to test drive this fall, it left me with mixed feelings:
I loved the torquey engine and 'trucky' mechanical feeling of the shifter. Good seating position too. Rear seat cushions removable with little tabs, a thoughtful move. I find Xterras very aesthetically pleasing. And yes, you get a ton of features and offroad goodies on the Pro-4X, including standard heated cloth seats these last few years of production.
In the negatives I'd put just about everything else. Interior quality is beyond just "utilitarian," it's cheap in a nasty way. Interior room isn't very good in terms of cargo space, it gives up quite a bit of space compared to a 4Runner.
It drives surprisingly crudely, the rear leaf spring rear end is way too soft, leading to poor payload, and poor control with lots of axle hop, for the benefit of a relatively soft ride on the road when unladen. Most guys swap out the rear springs almost immediately. I was surprised, there is more noise and vibration felt in this brand new 2015 vehicle that my 20 year old 4Runner. On short drives I could care less, but on 10 hour road trips it'd get old fast.
So long story short I decided it wasn't for me, but if the choice was between a Renegade Trailhawk for an eye watering $33k or a pro4X Xterra 6spd for $31k, I'd get the Nissan hands down. However if means allowed it, a 4Runner Trail smokes them both. It's just too bad you can't get a 4Runner with the FJ's 6spd manual.
>>14152102
Good review, I was also considering the xterra to replace my old jeep.
this is such a chadmobile
I like the way it looks as an alternative to the toaster boxes scion has. Obviously it's not a serious off roading vehicle, and the fact that it's made by chrysler makes me not really want one.
I'd like to test drive one.
Forester is better.
Isuzu Trooper is the only answer.
>>14145987
>FWD on a Jeep
>4x4 is an option
This is a fucking Panda with a Jeep badge are you shitting me right now what the fuck FCA.
Renegade is shit. If your qualifier is "fuel efficiency" and you want an offroad vehicle, go fuck yourself gently.
The Renegade is a fucking Fiat. They can show it splashing it around in the mud and say it's as capable as all the other Jeeps, but only retards buy that shit. Just try taking it rock crawling or anything that isn't driving through a fucking puddle and watch as the thing breaks and gets ruined 5 minutes in.
You want fuel efficiency? Get a diesel Unimog. Otherwise shut up, cunt.
>>14153172
>and say it's as capable as all the other jeeps
All the other jeeps are shit now, too.
The entire branding is a joke nowadays
>>14145870
>Chrysler
>>14153181
>The entire branding is a joke nowadays
The branding is the only thing Jeep has going for them now. They're overpriced turds. Branding is what keeps them alive, idiots like some of the people in this thread that think they are good vehicles because of that strong branding.
Wranglers are alright in certain applications but the rest of the line is just garbage. The fact OP is even considering a Renegade shows how well that branding works.
>>14153202
great for me since the ACTUAL jeeps are going up in price.
>>14153211
What's an 'actual Jeep'? The whole lineup is more capable off road, now, than it ever was.
>FCA
>ever
>>14152834
This
>>14146381
the last jimny-based vehicle to be sold in north america was the jimny (Samurai) untill sometime in the 90s when the consumer union said it tipped over, the Sidekick replaced it however those are based off Ladas
>>14146004
The Cherokee from the 80s and 90s was just as capable stock as wranglers, if you're not fussing over a little bit of tire size. Though, people were critical of that and it having a reinforced uni body.
That said, these things are pretty ca
>>14154131
Hey I love XJs as much as the next guy, but a JK wrangler BTFOs the XJ pretty soundly offroad, stock for stock. The Rubicon is literally the most offroad capable stock vehicle perhaps in the global market place (capable, not durable mind you)
>>14146069
Isn't FCA coming out with a new hurricane 2.4l engine soon?
>>14154131
>The Cherokee from the 80s and 90s was just as capable stock as wrangler
I wouldn't call CJs and YJs capable, but even then the XJ wasn't better.
>>14154194
I meant XJs are comparable to YJs and TJs. OFC those new JKs with lockers will out perform a stock xj.
>>14154251
Not totally sure what youre trying to say.
>>14154251
>>14154449
The CJ was crap and the YJ Wrangler was, too. Even then, the XJ was much worse.
>>14154454
what do you consider good then?
>>14154600
Anyone who thinks those vehicles are crap off road is a troll.
It's a fiat 500 with 4x4. The FWD is the only one that's cheap, and they are all made cheap
>>14154899
Or smart.
>>14153202
I've been in a lot of Grand Cherokee's over the years, and all of them were really nice.
>>14149446
The Xterra is very cool, but the used 4WD models seem to be just as expensive as used Wranglers.
>>14145936
its a chrysler, its way too expensive
>>14146201
its fucking stuck
>>14157307
No, it's not.
>>14157307
Other than just not being educated, zero experience offroad, or lack of perception in general, why would you say something so fucking stupid?
>>14157326
No lockers, when one of the back tires grip and send the car a little forward, the left back tire will be in the air together with the front left, sending all the power to the wheels that are in the air.
It is out of its element. The entire car is pointless.
>>14157350
While what you said is correct, it doesn't mean that it is stuck in that particular pic. It looks like it can come out of that easy enough.
>>14157350
It has traction control, it's fine.
For the cost of a Trailhawk you could get a real offroad vehicle.
>>14157627
Which one?
>>14157629
Tacoma SR5 4x4 is more than capable for most people.
>>14157727
Oh sorry, I though we were talking about off road vehicles.
>>14157750
hahaha rekt
>>14157727
