Does anyone else think that Honda went the wrong way with the NSX?
Not with muh v8, muh stick shift, muh RWD but what irritates me is that it's kinda pigfat.
The entire point of the NSX is suppose to be an experimental car showing off the latest tech from Honda.
In this case they showed off their hybrid capabilities which is fine, but I wish they would have showed off their lightweight technology like Ford did with the new GT and the older gen NSX. And they did invest in a new casting process.
>http://wardsauto.com/technology/honda-pioneers-ablation-casting-nsx
I would have been much more satisfied with a 2900lb, V6TT, SH-AWD, 9 Speed Tranny.
It's too ugly and too heavy.
honda doesnt have any lightweight manufacturing. they havent stolen it from the US or Europe yet.
>>14143567
Is the US really ahead of Japan in terms of weight? I find that hard to believe when we have so many sports cars over 4000 pounds.
>>14143582
Well, you have the LFA and it was 3.3k lbs so.
Its more of an issue that Honda can no longer design a proper sports car, and probably never will again.
>>14143567
They recently did team up others but that was this year.
http://blog.caranddriver.com/fiber-won-ford-honda-vw-and-toyota-team-up-on-carbon-fiber-research/
>>14143548
That shit looks like an Audi
>>14143582
>sports cars
You're thinking of muscle cars.
The Corvette is about 3200-3400 pounds
Viper is about 3300-3400 pounds
Most caddies weigh less than Lexus
(2 door RC-F is like 4100 pounds)
(2 door ATS-V is 3800 pounds)
R35 (i think) is one of the heaviest super-cars you can buy at 3800 pounds (you can add the NSX to that list now)
>>14143631
The R8 (which is it's closest competitor in the cost category, along with the 911) is more aesthetic in every way.
>>14143735
naw the new nsx looks much better
the r8 looks dull and emasculated, the nsx looks much more aggressive
>>14143749
>muh agressive look
To each their own, but I personally like the R8's design better. Cleaner lines and more simplistic front end.
>>14143749
The front is overdesigned, and the rear doesn't look different from your average modern sedan.
Everything about the R8 speaks refinement.
>>14143548
>v8
get lost pleb
it needed a v10 or v12
its going to be the Accord of the sports car world
>>14143567
>implying the NSX is not lighter than the first gen Viper c5 vette and the Ford GT
>implying the s2000 was not lighter than the mustang and 4th gen camaro
stop being fucking dumb
>>14143620
>implying
"look at all the computers we throw at it and all these gears omg so experimental xDD"
roflmao honda is such a shit company
>will be slower than used r35s worth 50k
>>14143548
Valid opinions OP, however
>2900lb
>Twin Turbo V6 + Batteries + Electric Motors
Pick one. Electric hybrid systems are heavy.
All the autisms that don't get that and shit on acura/hondaAmerica for making a LUXURY, SPORT VEHICLE, just like the last NSX, should leave this board/life.
Mclaren P1 - 3,075lb, so your close to the 2900lb mark, however the P1 is not a luxury vehicle and i believe made from a lot of carbon fiber
Porche 918 - Which is more of luxury vehicle than P1 - 3650lb.
Maybe theyll make a new NSX-R in coming years, who knows, I'm sure they would have thought of that.
>>14144737
>look at all these rotary sports cars and supercars we have been making since the 90's we at mazda rock at passing emissions and making reliable sports cars
>>14144810
>mx5 is best selling sports car in the world
>honda doesnt make any sports cars
kek
>we at mazda rock at making reliable sports cars
well yes they do, as evident in results of endurance races =))
>>14144837
>evading the fact that there is no new RX7
>>14144665
They are both designed with an aggressive look, assface
>>14144842
>there is no new RX7
will be faster than that hybrid fag mobile nsx too, just like the old rx7 was over the old nsx
>>14144858
>concept
>>14144881
>concept
>exists in reality
what
>>14144895
>>14144895
strange innit
>>14144796
This nigger just called the NSX a luxury vehicle.
>>14143582
American cars are actually starting to become noticibly lighter than euro/jap, it's actually alarming how much lighter a Z06 is than the GTR.
>>14143567
The S660 weighs 830kg and the S1000 is expected to weigh 900 or so.
Only Lotus can match this.
>>14144916
the type R was a luxury item in the same way a track is one
>>14144901
neat memes friendo
>>14143548
It's supposed to be a halo car and they used the Acura design language that's been around for ages.
They should have at least had a new idea for the front end - referencing the boring shit that Acura makes today is a mistake.
>>14144916
Negro, in the 90s, this was a more luxurious sports car than say, the integra or supra etc. Also
>Acura
>Literally luxury honda
>Wouldnt be sold as Acura in the US if it was cheap tier sports car
>>14144796
Yeah I wish Honda would just put less an emphasis on luxury and focus on performance with their acura brand.
Maybe there is hope with their new ceo, he stated he wants more exciting cars.
>http://www.autonews.com/article/20150706/COPY01/307069939/new-honda-ceo-hachigo-wants-exciting-cars-maximum-capacity-use
>>14143548
>The entire point of the NSX is suppose to be an experimental car showing off the latest tech from Honda.
That IS what the new NSX is doing
The problem is it's too far away from the old NSX and what made it what it was.
>>14143548
itt: Bench racers who will never even own anything close to this car.
>>14144689
The aesthetics matches more to a V8.
The new NSX is a complete disaster.
Hopefully Mazda will resurrect the light Japanese everyman's supercar and do it right (i.e. not 1000lbs overweight and $100k overpriced)
>>14146474
looks like the Alfa 4C
>>14143548
What was great about the old NSX was that it offered supercar handling, looks and (for the day) performance in something easy to drive, reliable and perfectly reasonable to dd. Nothing else really did that back then, whereas the NSX didn't just do it, it did it WELL.
Nowadays, on the other hand, we have loads of cars that fill that role very well indeed. A modern reinterpretation of the old NSX would just have been one of many. Presumably Honda didn't want to make one of many, they wanted to move the game on again. Even if they fail, I can get behind that.
You want a new old NSX, go buy an Audi R8.
>>14146545
And how, exactly, would this NSX "move the game on" exactly? Hybrids already exist. LED lights already exists. Pigfat already exists
>>14144665
>muh agressive look
That`s funny, because Audi started this shitshow to begin with.
>>14143749
>too many unnecessary lines
into the trash
>>14146555
No-one has made the vaguely accessible performance hybrid work yet. The only comparable vehicle in that regard, really, is the i8 which between the three pot engine and the rwd strikes me as a rather different animal. Also, that car is widely held to be imperfect in a number of ways, from the surprisingly crappy fuel economy to the various issues regarding maintaining the thing.
But more than that, I guess, we'll see when we drive it. Perhaps you'll be right, and it'll suck. But isn't it more fun to be optimistic about these things?
>>14146545
>R8 is the modern equivalent to the NSX
naw man... just naw
>>14143688
RC-F is a bad cherry-picked example. Lexus dun goofed with that car. The chassis is a Frankenstein combination of the IS and GS chassises. The IS350 is about 3500 lbs, which is on par with the 335i, etc.
>>14146625
It offers excellent handling and very good performance in a discrete and usable package, so they're similar in that sense. Obviously there will be some significant differences, because no car is exactly like another, but I think there's some major common ground there.
In any case, though, that was really just an example, though. If there's a car you think is a better fit, that just strengthens my point.
>>14146474
>$100k overpriced
Why does everyone think the original was so much cheaper? It was like 60k in 91, which is about 110k today. The new one is still too expensive but people are acting like it should be 70k.
>>14146596
> But isn't it more fun to be optimistic about these things
if there's one thing about honda, it's that the NSX should be reliable. But it just doesn't seem to have that "cool" or unique factor. Maybe I'll feel differently if I saw it in real life
If Honda had succeeded at delivering McLaren P1 tech and performance at a fraction the price that would have been pretty cool. But the NSX is sooo fucking heavy there's simply no point to the car, and you really have to wonder what Honda is proving: it's certainly not that they're great engineers, either in terms of performance, or bang for buck.
Simply sticking a hybrid system in a sports car for its own sake would have been impressive 10 years ago. I suspect this car's been in development so long that was the idea.
>>14146689
Unless you're quite a lot older than most people on this board, you gotta remember that you weren't paying attention when the first NSX launched. Instead, you're looking at it from a position where its long been established as cool. You don't know how you'd have felt in the run up to it.
>>14146596
>WHAT IS A PORSCHE 918
Literally god tier engineering, the #1 nurburgring lap that's not a fucking F1 car and it's a hybrid.
>>14146738
>A million dollars
>Affordable in any way
>>14146669
The new one is ~50% more than the original in real terms, and that's with a super high dollar / low yen right now. Watch for that to shoot way up if the dollar comes back down to earth.
Lexus had one right idea with the LFA: if you're going to make an ego-gratifying overpriced supercar nobody wants, limit production to create some scarcity demand, and give yourself an excuse for shutting down production early.
p.s. how many LFAs did Toyota manage to sell to real buyers of the 500 made?
>>14146725
I get your point, but there are modern cars that I've felt hype for (like the 918). NSX seems like a more Toyobaru with more power and computers
>>14146760
*newer Toyobaru
>>14146746
poorfag DETECTED
>>14146752
I heard they sold everyone before production.
>>14146769
0/10
Not even trying
>>14146781
YOU RESPONDED
10/10 since you took his bate, dummy.
Guess you are a poorfag, do you even own a regular 911?
>>14143548
>NSX
>New Sports Experimental
This car is intended to represent what Honda thinks the supercar of today should be.
Back in the 90s, that was a reliable, daily-able, aluminum frame car with a high revving V6. Not super fast, but fast enough to keep up with the competition.
This new NSX is pretty much the same; what Honda thinks a supercar should be today.
Aggressive looking, damn fast, with hybrid doodads to supplement the petrol engine.
Sure, making it light would've been lovely. But what gasoline-electric hybrid supercar is light? The 918 isn't, and the P1 could be lighter. The LaFerrari is the only one of the lot that could be described as light, but its also a shit ton more expensive than any of the competitors IIRC.
>>14146777
http://www.autoworldnews.com/articles/12811/20150207/375-000-lexus-lfa-supercars-are-still-unsold-two-years-later.htm
>>14146813
One of the philosophies that made the NSX the NSX was that it was lightweight. The new NSX isn't.
To be true to the nsx philosophy they shouldnt have had invested R&D in hybrid technology but into lightweight materials like the Ford GT.
>>14146784
fifty bucks says this guy is in highschool
>>14147287
>NSX
>lightweight
the NSX was around 1400 kgs, as pigfat as the supra and skyline
the type R was 1200
I agree tho, the new GT + hybrid is what the NSX should have been
I feel like the new NSX drives itself. It doesn't have muh soul. It's like the supercar predecessor to the faggy Google robot cars that people are going to start buying.
>>14147388
Inb4 the hate
>>14147388
>I feel like
I feel you have never seen, much less driven, this car in person and therein have absolutely no clue about how it drives
>>14147359
The Supra was over 400lbs heavier than the non type-r NSX so it was definitely not pigfat. It weighed around the same as a ferrari 355.
There is no way the NSX could achieve 2900lbs with electrical motors. If they could do that it would put the NSX close to the hypercar territory. And the SH-AWD system is fairly heavy.
>AWD
>automatic
>3800 lb
>hybrid
>american
>designed by women
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebEMJy4cznQ
>this is what you faggots DID NOT want
Hybrid systems are settled tech at this point, at least without a big breakthrough in battery capacity/weight.
I'm much more interested in companies inventing in advanced manufacturing/materials to bring down vehicle weight, since that makes everything better (economy, handling, and safety).
The recent vehicle which has impressed me most in terms of engineering isn't some supercar, but the ND Miata. Not a piece of carbon fibre on it and it still weighs less than the Alfa 4C - which was intended as a low-weight engineering/materials showcase - despite being a more fully-fleshed car. The mind boggles at what Mazda could achieve if they had a mind to building a high-priced sports car, let alone a supercar.
>>14144916
The NSX interior is covered in leather, it's pretty luxurious
>>14146752
The original 911 used to start at like $50k adjusted for inflation, now it starts at double that
> does anyone else think a pigfat, soulless supercomputer machine is an unworthy successor to one of the purest sports cars in history?
> le "am i the only one" maymay xDDD!!!1
>>14143548
is it just that you can not show off hybrid technology and be lightweight at the same time
>>14149541
New 911s start at $84k you ignorant shit
>The entire point of the NSX is suppose to be an experimental car showing off the latest tech from Honda.
Really. The last one wasn't. Maybe there was a press release I missed about this one.
>>14143749
>>14149590
$90k in the US, and the originals were $49k adjusted for inflation. That's close to double
>>14149590
says the ignorant shit
>>14143749
The point of making a car that is at least 6 digits is to shine and stand out amongst the crowd of normies (regular sedans).
I mean, if you drive a GT-R around, people will know its a GT-R.
If you drive a Ford GT, they know its a Ford GT.
If you drive a Lambo, Maserati, Aston Martin, Ferrari, McLaren, or any other supercars, people KNOW what it is. Maybe not down to the point where they will know the exact model and details, but they know its a fancy ass car.
The NSX, however, its just an overpriced Honda at this point. Nothing really unique, I will probably miss it while driving on the street even if it was there.
>>14143548
if it drives like it weighs 1000lb less than it does what's the problem?
>>14150102
>The point of making a car that is at least 6 digits is to shine and stand out amongst the crowd of normies (regular sedans).
>The NSX, however, doesn't achieve this, because of absolutely no rational reasoning apart from my opinion.
Cool story bro.
>>14150111
Paying for bigger / more complex everything to compensate for the weight, when they should have just made it lighter from the get go, is stupid.
>>14150102
Dude if that thing drove by a bunch of normies on the street, people are gonna fucking look
