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I'm going to get some rage from non americans here, but fuck it. Here goes.
I really like the new porsche 911 turbo. I'm going to buy one next year.
The one thing i don't like is the engine, which is powerful yes, but a 6 cyl and also has IMS problems (google it if you don't know).
My plan (yes i know it will be expensive) is to swap in a LSX giving me a delicious american v8, more power and more reliability.
Now i've done some research on google and it seems there's a few LS swapped Porsches and ontop of that, they've easily retained AWD.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTwOOBzo0hk
http://www.lsxtv.com/news/swap-insanity-ls7-powered-porsche-911-packs-a-punch/
My question is, aside from the cost, what problems could arise during a LS swap and how to mitigate them?
>metzger engines
>IMS problems
stop being dumb
the metzger engine is literally god tier
>>14137503
You'd be better off swapping something that actually has the IMS bearing problem, like a 996 or a 1st gen Boxster. You'd be wasting a perfectly good flat-six turbo.
>>14137516
Porsche shill detected.
OP is right about the IMS bearing problems, they even affect new ones.
Anyway it seems like his concern is v8 sound, not that kettle of fish.
>>14137530
no they dont you dumb fuck, the metzger engine has an actual dry sump and doesnt suffer from oil starvation
>>14137529
I can sell the brand new engine at like half price, it will instantly sell. Porsche super overprices their engines, undercutting them results in an instant sale.
Should pay off the price of a new LSX or at least some of it, i'm more worried about labor. I want to know a rough ballpark of how it's going to go down so the mechanic dosen't overcharge out the ass.
>>14137541
>YFW the ims bearing failure is due to it wearing out, not due to oiling problems.
You porsche shills are fucking rabid. What more do you want, he's already buying one.
Not our fault our LS engines are better.
>>14137503
>My question i
s, aside from the cost, what problems could arise during a LS swap and how to mitigate them?
Just kill your fucking self, that usually solves all problems.
>>14137551
>I dont understand the relationship between engine bearing life and proper lubrication
oh boy, it must be painful to be this fucking stupid, then again you think the Literal Shit is good, so it checks out
>>14137584
>Being this assmad
Keep posting, your tears make me laugh.
>>14137503
>this nigga
if you want an AWD Porsche with an LS then buy a carrera 4s as your starting car, what's the point of getting a turbo???
>>14137639
Do they still make a regular Carrera 4? I'd imagine that to be the cheapest AWD starting point.
>>14137503
>buying a new 911
>LS swapping it
OP while you're making terrible decisions can you please invest in my 3d printing startup
>>14137649
It'd be the cheapest but I think the S has better suspension and some aero bits that make it look and feel more like a turbo
>>14137677
You could probably add those afterwards, right? Maybe even use some better stuff.
>>14137688
the only actual reason to buy a carrera S was the bigger engine
but since you are ruining it and getting rid if it that doesnt really matters
>>14137688
I guess, but it wouldn't really have a big price difference if youre buying used
>>14137729
I thought the S was wider
>I want to spend thousands and thousands to void the warranty and get "more reliability" out of an already reliable engine that hasnt had IMS bearing problems for over 10 years
Sounds fucking stupid and a huge waste of money. It's really just an excuse because you have a boner for a V8 for some reason isn't it?
>I want more power!
Firstly, the Turbo S can go like 200 fucking miles an hour and to 60mph in 3 seconds. Why you want to go faster than that, unless it's a track car, in which case a new 991 is a bad plat form for, is beyond me. Are you actually planning putting 700hp in the thing and going 220 or something on public roads?
Secondly, why not just tune the flat 6. People have been modding Porsches to have tons more power for years, including Porsche themselves.
It sounds like youre just trying to spend upwards of ten grand to have a V8, when you already have a perfectly good engine. Which makes no fucking sense. Have you never driven a sports car without a V8 before? You know they can have good power curves and sound too right, and that the V8 is really just a meme engine. Just look at this shit, do you really want more power for a street car?
Just get a fucking Corvette if you want a fast LS car. I mean damn dude, do whatever you want with your money, but it sounds like youre just throwing it away for no reason.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoKst5KKtdQ
>>14137503
>>14137530
Are you a fucking idiot? Mezger engines don't have an IMS in the first place
>>14138596
>It's really just an excuse because you have a boner for a V8 for some reason isn't it?
Yes.
Look, i know the 6 can be modded for the same power, but i am chasing that sound.
Hell, it dosen't even have to be an LS, it just seems like the easiest route for a v8.
And yes, i plan on doing top speed attacks on country roads.
>>14138596
>hey guys, I'm interested in doing a v8 swap to my Porsche
>to make it sound mcnasty and be faster than ever
>WHAT THE FUK IS WRONG WITH U R U A RETARD MONEY WASTER FUK UNSAFE DUMBASZ
/o/
>>14138596
Not OP but can someone explain the differences between the porsche models?
I know the boxter is entry level shit, but what's the deal with the 911 and carrera?
I also see 911 carreras, are they 911's or carreras?
What's the difference between the turbo and regular 911 apart from engine?
It's fucking confusing and i would like to learn more.
>>14138688
why don't you get a fast V8 in the first place?
>>14138698
None of these cunts actually own a porsche, all they do is bench race and pretend to be purists.
I don't own one, but i'm of the mind that anything which yields a potential performance gain should be considered. And it sounds like OP knows he's only really doing this for NA and the sound he likes, which is ok.
>>14138688
I promise the Turbo's power is much much more than what you're capable of reaching the limit of. Anyways, you're spending so much money for an ultimately shittier engine and gearbox, voiding the warranty, destroying the resale value for.. the sound? Just get a corvette or R8 or something. Or better yet, an exhaust and intake?
This is so senseless. Like I said, it's your money, if those thousands and thousands are worth it to you, then do it, but I still think youre an idiot, unless youre super fucking rich. In which case, what the fuck are you doing here.
>>14138702
He most likely likes everything about a porsche apart from the engine and thus wants to make his own. It's a conundrum that many people have (in different shapes and forms).
>>14138688
Then just get a Corvette you fucking retard
>>14138700
Carreras are the naturally aspirated 911s, Turbos are the turbo charged 911s
But now the new ones are all turbos so who the fuck knows
>>14138711
This is untrue.
A LSX crate engine is going to yeild more power and can be fitted with a gearbox of a potentially higher standard (money is the only problem here).
It's a performance upgrade, but one which will turn porsche purists into crybabies. And a really expensive one.
OP, are you considering this for the reason here >>14138715 ?
I think it's a great idea if you have the money to do it, but be aware your warranty will be void and you need to source a good shop to help you do this. It's doable though and will give you amazing performance.
>>14138700
a boxster and a cayman are the same, its just that one has a roof and the other one doesnt, its like the entry level porsche, what the 914 was
the 911 is the name of the mainstream porsche, it has been like that for years a carrera is trim version, like the GT or SS for a mustang camaro, then thres the carrera S, targa, GT3, GT2 which are oither trims, like the shelby and shit for premium mustangs
>are they 911's or carreras?
its a 911 carrera
>What's the difference between the turbo and regular 911 apart from engine?
the metzger engine is fucking god-tier, made strictly for racing comes with turbo, GT3 and GT2 911s and has nothing related to the m96 and m97 found in carreras and targas
>>14138721
Wait so a carrera is identical to a 911 apart from the engine?
Does it have AWD?
I thought carreras were a different range, like the boxter.
Fucking confusing man
>>14138724
It's a performance upgrade only for older non-turbo 911s like the 996
Shoving an LS in a brand new Turbo is idiotic
>>14138724
>haha lol i troll u with mah engine swap
hello reddit
>>14138733
no
not all 911 are carrera, carrera is just a trim
>>14138733
Carreras are 911
911 = Mustang
Carrera = GT
911 Carrera
Mustang GT
The ones with AWD are called Carrera 4, Turbos also have AWD as standard
>>14138724
>A LSX crate engine is going to yield more power
and you can just fucking upgrade the stock Turbo engine for more, for cheaper.
>>14138724
Yes, i like the style of the 911's and i was hearing they handled well.
I'm fully aware the engine is powerful and as some have stated, apparently the IMS bearing is no longer an issue, which is good to hear.
I'm planning on doing a LSX which will give me more power and keep it NA, something i like. I also love the sound.
I know it's expensive but i'm buying a porsche, it's not like i'm lacking in that department.
>>14138741
So i'm looking to get either a Carrera 4 or a turbo? The AWD and bodykit is what i was after, i wasen't aware it came on other models. Seems the carrera 4 is visually different though.
>>14138749
I know this already. But i can take the LSX further AND i prefer the sound.
It's not that i don't like turbo 6's, i would just prefer a v8 in my porsche.
Or, you could pretend for a moment you aren't a completely retarded doorknob licking dumb cunt, and buy a flat 8 from RUF.
>>14138753
dont get a fucking turbo and drop the metzger engine you fucking cunt
get a carrera 4
>>14138755
>flat 8 from RUF.
Want to explain more?
You're a fucking retard, OP.
>>14138755
>RUF makes flat 8s
wait a fucking second
RUF makes flat 8's?
pls be real
>>14138753
I think you may legitimately be retarded
If you want a V8 911 there was one selling for $30k a couple months ago
I don't even think it's possible to swap modern Turbos, They probably incorporate the engine as a structural component of the chassis using active engine mounts
>>14138763
>>14138755
you fucking cunt
the 8 cylinder Ruf is a v8
way to make me excited for nothing Anon
>>14138763
>>14138759
My bad, it's a 'V'8 with a 180 degree flat crank.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cs0Gy_EK1DY
>>14138781
fuck you anon, you ruined my night
I was literally having an erection and you blew it
>>14138789
Don't lose your boner too much, it's still a 4.5L that sounds like a flat 8 while making 550hp @ 8,500rpm with a dry sump and everything, it's 80lbs lighter than the turbo H6
>>14137503
I know this is just a troll thread, but one should just get a RUF is said situation.
Otherwise, you're just pissing away an unsightly amount of money. For that matter, just get a Corvette, if you want a V8, just don't get a Porsche to begin with.
>>14137503
This has to be the same guy who posted the "LS1 into Audi R8" thread a couple days ago.
And for everyone responding to this thread, you deserve every bit of it. cunts.
>>14138815
Sorry that I don't browse 4chan every single day
>>14138819
>Sorry that I don't browse 4chan every single day
But you respond to shitposting threads every other day? Badluck for you I guess. cunt.
>>14138801
there are tenths of custom v8 engines out there already
I want a flat 8 already m8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2IFwanIptw
fucking subaru and toyota should have made on for the frs
Op is actually smart. Cue the retarded fags itt who don't know shit about cars. There's a couple youtube dudes who ls3 swapped a 911 and not only was it more powerful and reliable, but it was actually LIGHTER.
German engineering is a marketing m e m e
>>14138851
>German engineering is a marketing m e m e
>But still buy a German car to shit up
>But don't just buy an American car as recommended
>>14138858
Well their chassis/design is their only call to fame. Engine wise they are terrible
Honest question OP. Since you have so much money, why not support the Viper? It's the last true enthusiast car and more American than the lsx will ever be.
>>14138851
an iron aircooled flat 6 maybe
the new flat 6 weighst around the same as an LS and has a lower center of gravity
>>14137503
>buying a new car to swap it
Why? Buy a Porsche with the engine already taken out, save a butt ton of money along the way
>>14138862
>engine made by lamborghini
>modified by mclaren
>american
>>14138865
Also weaker and no torque
>>14138861
Sounds more like you don't know what you're talking about to me.
>>14138872
It's a literal truck engine from the 80s with one part designed by lambo
You're an idiot
>>14138872
It is American. Are you dumb. I had yard work done by Mexicans one year, does that mean my lawn was Mexican territory?
>>14138875
>weaker
kek, not the metzger one
>torque
its a sports car, not a truck
>inb4 but the corvette and camaro weights as much as one
>>14138877
Nah. That's why no one swaps German engines into anything while the reverse is highly sought out for
>>14138882
the viper engine has nothing to do with the magnum v10
>>14138889
it probably was
>>14138889
Considering it was stolen land, yes
>>14138891
>better power curve
>usable in all conditions, not just track like the high strung garbage you're peddling
>smokes the competition
>a bad thing
>>14138893
>no one swaps german engines
how does it feels to be delusional? there are hundreds of BMW swaps, theres even a ultima GTR kits powered by a BMW v10
if you are talking about why no one swaps german engines into american chassis, its because american chassis are garbage
>>14138904
>better power curve
you dont know what you are talking about kiddo
>>usable in all conditions, not just track like the high strung garbage you're peddling
clearly not since GM is getting sued over faulty LS7s and LT4s
>>14138893
Totally explains the annihilated value of swaps then.
If you think German swamps don't exist, you're even less knowledgeable than I previously presumed.
>>14138914
>viper acr literally btfo million dollar racecars
Your high revving shitline 6 feels like garbage unless at 9K rpm, how is that power curve good?
>70 retarded boomers who didn't break in their cars
>thinking that lawsuit has ANY merit
inb4 american starts shitposting about socialism and yuropoor
>>14137503
definitely do it OP. Sounds like a fuckin awesome idea!!!!!!! totally worth it
>>14138924
the viper is so good its getting cancelled tho
>shitline 6
>porsche boxer engines
>inline 6
god damn
why are americans so fucking retarded??
>>14138935
I'd bet $10,000 he's underageban.
>>14138924
>defending Garbage Motors this hard
kek
have fun bailing them out again
>>14138935
>>14138937
>implying I'm wrong about a 9K redline being fucking retarded and having shit power curve
>getting this mad over the ACR killing million dollar cars
>>14138946
you think porsche engines are inline 6s
you are literally fucking stupid
i just googled "dumb american" and found a pic of you
thats literally how fucking dumb you are
what makes you belive your opinion about flat 6s having bad power curves should be taken seriously?
>>14138946
Some formula one cars have 17k redlines, for giggles I'm sure you believe.
That you genuinely think the way you do is proof enough you've never driven any of these cars.
>>14137551
Metzger engines have plain bearings that cannot fail catastrophically
Maybe you should learn what your talking about?
>>14138946
but 9000rpm is fun anon
and the turbo motor makes more torque than an LS
someone like APR can tune the ECU to give you 540hp and 640lbft
that's pretty good
>>14137503
>My question is, aside from the cost, what problems could arise during a LS swap and how to mitigate them?
You will start to find your sister irresistible
Torque numbers only matter if you're moving a heavy load from a standstill/low speed. Torque is relevant for trucks, not sports cars. Power is what matters for sports cars.
I can get behind the basic idea, but I'd cringe at the thought of butchering a new, very expensive Porsche to get it.
If I couldn't source a suitable used one to start from... or, hell, just get an R8... or a Factory Five GTM kit.
>>14137530
try to use google before embarrassing yourself next time
>>14137503
If I were you I'd seriously consider ruf as an option OP;
http://ruf-automobile.de/en/
>>14137503
Get that RUF GT3 with the V8 already fitted
>>14138688
>>14137503
op post your pay stub before i devote any time to writing you an answer
>>14138902
We won the war get over it spic
>>14139292
perkele
>>14140149
top rewd
>>14137503
The Turbo didn't have IMS problems.
>likes v8s
>ignorant
well thats not a surprise
>>14138700
The Boxster is the car of choice for a person who wants to be able to say that they drive a Porsche, but can't afford a 911.
>>14140171
Turbo on paras Ja Es
>>14140227
You know you can just buy straws instead of grasping for them
>>14137503
Porsches stopped having IMS issues since 2009.
If you want to do an LS swap, don't do it to a car that hasn't depreciated yet. You've best off putting it in a 996 carrera and then doing a 997 conversion. This will give you your LS V8 in a 911 for significantly less money.
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