Why aren't you crapcan racing?
http://3dautosports.com/crapcanracing/index.htm
http://jalopnik.com/tag/a-guide-to-crapcan-racing
>inb4 no one on /o/ actually races
>>14134766
Because it ends up being fairly expensive and you are still just "racing" shitboxes. The joke gets old.
>>14134780
>not liking chumpcar racing
you, sir, hate fun.
>>14134766
because no one on /o/ actually races. we had those idiots in s/o/cal who did lemons and that's about it. I think some of them conefag.
>>14134810
Why wouldn't I just spend the money on making my existing car better or on trackdays? It just seems like a waste of money and effort if all you will do is drive around a mostly broken shitbox slowly as some kind of extended joke.
>>14134836
track days aren't racing. at least you are competing when you do LeChump - you don't win anything for being FTD at your local HPDE.
>>14134766
Looking forward to Hallett.
>>14134766
My shitbox has an oil leak >.<
>>14134852
Yeah but you aren't really competing if you are driving a $500 shitbox that will probably fall apart after 5 laps, the track day would be more fun. And you wouldn't feel like you had wasted the money on some kind of running meme.
organized racing like that is a retarded waste of money
>>14134836
>sacrifice upgrading DD to race
What, no.
>seems like a waste of money
isn't everything? but please go put a cold air intake on your civic and continue bitching about this.
>pic related chassis, chassis everywhere
>>14134871
The joke wears off when you are a few thousand dollars into it and the racing is still shit
>>14134836
>trackdays
lel
>>14134865
>what is a race team?
>what is car maintenance?
>yfw on a soviet meme board and you don't like may-mays
>>14134866
>fun is a waste of money
>>14134888
I can have more fun without wasting money on stupid shit like racing
>>14134877
>few thousand dollars
>not knowing how to weld
>not knowing how to wrench
>not creating a team with people who also know things and have resources
>not charging dues
1/10 it's like you're not even trying anon.
Waste of money unless you like driving a shitbox around a track slowly as part of some boomer meme
>>14134766
I considered it, but I ended up in crapcan open wheelers instead.
>>14134897
Personally I can't think of anything more fun than racing to waste money on.
>$20,000 worth of safety gear just to race shitty cars
nah.
>>14134942
just buying a car and not modifying it for rules is an easy one
>>14134950
>no source, no xp
cool story bro.
>>14134951
>driving around in a beater u got off craigslist
wheeeeeeee.
>>14134925
What's it like (besides awesome)? Any good stories or tips? where do you race?
>>14134979
>driving around in a beater u got off craigslist
literally what this shit is
youre just wasting money on it so its retarded
>>14134951
If I wanted to go nuts with the development I'd go with hillclimb racing. There you can pretty much do whatever the hell you want. One of my friends built this thing and won in his class last year at Pike's Peak.
Formula Cars offer a significant amount of development possibilities too though. I'm going to quit the spec skip barber arrive-and-drive racing this year and save up to buy my own Formula Continental. Yeah there are rules you have to abide by but there's also a lot of development and improvements you can make too.
>>14134985
>i hate rules
I don't understand this mentality.
>>14135004
it's less that people hate rules and more that they dont want to be restricted by parameters i feel
>>14134981
>learning the basics of racing with a shitbox for lulz
=/=
>bombing down the highway at 80 in your moms civic
why do you hate fun anon?
>yfw
>>14134985
I mean
I could have more fun by just buying a car and flogging the shit out of it
seems like a waste of money to spend thousands on safety shit for racing
>>14135013
racing is shit in general
>highways
who the fuck thinks going fast is fun lol
I have miles of backroad to rally down
>2016-2 days
>not doing time attack
>wsting time and money "racing" shitboxes
>>14134979
It's amazing, there's nothing like battling for the checkered flag going side-by-side while pulling crazy lateral G force in a tiny open cockpit open wheel car where one little touch could send you spinning off into the sand trap. Mostly I race up in the Pacific Northwest but that webm was from NOLA. In October I got into the Skip Barber Karts to Cars scholarship shootout and lost to an Australian teenager lel.
>>14135020
It's not really thousands on safety shit unless you really want it to be. If you go full budgetmode you should be able to get a suit, gloves, helmet, and booties for around $600 all new. You could get used gear to save even more but I recommend getting a new helmet at least.
Holy shit i didn't even KNOW there was a racetrack in my state.
Wish i had a nice shit-box to thrash.
>>14135020
>what is welding?
>denies fast is fun
>doesn't deny moms civic
Dagumi plz
>>14135030
Time attack is generally glorified HPDE. It is not a race.
>>14135048
why the fuck would I want to spend money to build a cage when I could just not have one
theres nothing wrong with a Civic
>>14134925
>crapcan open wheelers
thats not actually a series right? Or is everyone racing in old beatup 500$ CL open wheeler? I know must open wheelers are old and beat up, but most arent 500$ from CL
too bad they arent coming back to nola every again lol. One Grand Prix and done.
>>14135048
That image, kek
>>14134766
Because my nearest track is Road America, yet my roommate's shitbox LeMons car isn't legal for ChumpCar. Pretty sure it's not legal for LeMons anymore either. He last ran it at Gingerman a few years back.
>>14135058
Neither is driving around a half-dead Geo
>>14135092
Is it against other people? Is it a contest of time? Then it is a race, you turdknuckle.
>>14135078
I just say that because the Skip Barber F2000 cars are like, an ancient early 90s/late 80s chassis with a dodge neon engine that are super beat to shit from being basically the rental karts of the formula car world for 25+ years. To buy a comparable car of your own would probably be more along the lines of $10k. The cheapest open wheelers you can get are Formula Vee or Formula First (Vee 1600). They're like $16k brand new and can be under $5k for an old hoopty.
>>14135083
>old celica
>noice
is he gonna update it or sell it?
>>14135109
The kind of Formula Continental I'd like to buy are much nicer and faster cars though. Probably more along the lines of $15-25k, depending on if I go with Pinto or Zetec power.
>>14135114
Crazy fucker wants to turn it BACK into a street car. Even though outer AND inner rockers are crap. Pic related: daylight shining through the main structure of the car.
>>14135083
waste of a nice old celica
>>14134766
Because Spec Miata isn't that much more expensive for competitive racing in cars that are actually decent quick and reliable. All of the $500 racing ends up being more like $5-10k just to build the car with safety gear and replace wear items and you're still left with a slow car that doesn't handle that well and chucks economy car wheel bearings every few hours on track. Lemons is dumb because it's too much of a joke. Chump Car is okay, but your're still driving an overpriced shit box instead of a race prepped car. World Racing League is the way to go.
>>14135156
I've got another friend who does chump car. Their car isn't exactly slow or a shitbox. Didn't cost $500 to build either though lel. Still, it's relatively inexpensive racing and you get to develop a car with a team of your bros. Spec Miata is an awesome class to race in with massive fields, a lot of talented drivers, and really stiff competition but it's just a different kind of game. For people who wanna just show up to the track and drive and have very little time during the week to work on their shit it's perfect.
>>14135205
Sure, but around here a Miata costs about the same to buy as a good Chump Car candidate. The preparation including safety is similar too. Spec Miata track records are typically 5-10 seconds quicker than Chump Car track records deepening on the length of the track. The slowest full pace qualifying lap by a Spec Miata would wallop most Chump Cars and still beat even stupid cars like the "Model T" that basically cheats.
>>14135261
The thing that puts me off a little about Spec Miata is it gets exceedingly expensive when you want to be at the pointy end of the grid. Yeah you can show up with a $10k car and have fun but the guys at the front have got like $35k+ put into theirs with pro-built engines and everything. All that money and they're still slow as balls. FC may only get around 15-18 cars per race but that's still enough people to have a good race and you're in a car that's actually fast as fuck for a similar cost involvement. Plus I wanna try my hand at car development, could be fun.
If I wanted to continue doing spec racing I'd probably choose Spec Racer Ford. Much cheaper to get to the front of the pack than SM, the only downside is the cars are ugly as sin.
>>14135283
>pro-built engines
Anything in a Spec Miata that you need to have a pro do is most likely illegal. I worked crew on a team and their $10k all in car could keep up with any Spec Miata in the country on the straights power wise and we never even had the engine apart except for a timing belt replacement. Car was a top 10 usually, but it was eventually sold to a more talented driver who actually won a race with it in Texas I believe. I don't know how you could even start to spend $35k. The team I was on didn't spend $35k on buying, building the car, all gear, a trailer, and 8 races.
>>14135316
>Anything in a Spec Miata that you need to have a pro do is most likely illegal.
Heheh...
I may have just been hearing worst-case stories, that's good to hear that a low budget team can still win. Was it a regular SM or the SSM class with the sealed engine? That sealed engine class might be the right solution to the cost arms race I've heard so much about.
>>14135058
you are fucking retarded
>>14135346
This was just SM, but it's been almost 10 years ago so things may have changed. Back then everyone wanted to run 1.6 NA without a restriction plate on the intake.
I'm no longer involved with a SM team, but I was at the Run Offs last year. SM is full of protesting. If you place in the top 10 at nationals you'll have your engine at least partially examined. In 2014 7th place won because 1-6 cheated. I've seen teams DQ'd because they barely touched casting flash on the cylinder head ports not even a full port match just barely touched. If you mess with the engines teams will catch on. Gaining just a few hp on the straights is noticeable. You'll get a protest.
>>14135376
I think the 1.6L cars are undesirable now for some reason, dunno why though. I did hear about that 7th place winner, shit's nuts.
>>14135354
Winning FTD at your local track day is not a race, you idiot.
>>14135346
If you're running a spec series sealed engines make sense. The extra cost of running a sealed engine still helps the little guy who doesn't have to spend, spend, spend just to keep up with the teams that make parts from unobtanium and run each race with 100% fresh parts. The sealed engine stuff saved budget dirt car racing for the small town dirt oval guys in my area. Cheating in dirt racing is a storied.
>>14135402
The most competitive teams run NBs. The 1999 model is the preferred car.
>>14135122
Those things are super popular in SCCA Solo for C Mod.
>>14135404
>time attack is FTD track day
you are incredibly fucking stupid
>>14135467
so what time attack records are you breaking there, champ? Is it GTA? RLTA?
>>14135438
Yeah, I kinda think it should have been sealed engine from the beginning. It's a very marginal cost increase and the money usually goes right back into the local racing economy anyway as the local certified engine sealed builder gets some extra work.
>>14135448
Never really understood why people would want to spend all the money of a proper race car just for conefagging. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy the sport, but to me it was more of a "thing to do on the weekend in my street car that costs almost nothing" back when I couldn't really afford to do anything else. I like going fast and getting SAIDO BAI SAIDO action.
>>14135482
>the fact that some people time attack experience is just track days invalidates all time attack championships
you are beyond fucking stupid
>>14135484
It's strange - I just enjoy driving. Track or conefagging it's all fun to me. I autocross with a few guys who also do PWC and there doesn't seem to be this "either or" mentality with a lot of us. One of my friends actually went out of his way to get a co-drive at the Solo Nationals so he could catch a flight back to CA to run Laguna (PWC driver for Nissan). Most people I autocross with also do track. But most of the track people I know think it's beneath them.
>>14135495
>>14135131
>put it back on the road
>>14135510
>says dumb shit
>gets corrected
>grasp at ad hominems attacks
>gets corrected again
>ur mad!
hello reddit
I work weekends and all racing events take place on weekends. That includes autoX and rallyX. So no racing for me until I get a 9-5 job.
>>14135504
I think the main downside to the conefagging is just the lack of seat time you manage to get in throughout the day. The Porsche Club ones I went to were pretty decent, quite a few runs in but the SCCA ones were really pretty lame. You get like 6 runs around the 60-second course and that's it. I quit the autocross because it seemed a lot better to just go do a practice day at the go kart track for barely any more money and drive until my arms are about to fall off.
>>14135523
I don't think the "seat time" value is a good way to look at it. Solo has been really popular for 50+ years, and there is a lot of crossover with the Club guys. The competition in most regions is like none other, but I'm sure it's weak in some - maybe yours was that way. Here it's the complete opposite with PCA, the courses and competition are largely a joke.
>>14134766
/o/ has "better things" to spend money on. Translation: /o/ is either too poor even for crapcan racing or they're terribly afraid that actually participating in wheel to wheel racing will shatter their Dagumi driving god complexes.
I think that deep down every fag on /o/ keeps their ego intact by imagining that if they ever got on the track they'd be Mario goddamn Andretti. It's nice to think about, but if they ever actually got on the track and came to the realization that they fucking suck the illusion of that potential would be ruined for them.
I finally got on the track this year at Las Vegas Motor Speedway and I was fucking garbage, but it made me want more. I've also got VIR practically in my backyard. I've thought about Chumpcar for a while, but I think that I'm finally in a place financially and motivationally that I'm actually going to do it.
>>14135782
LeChump is fun. I did Lemons a few years ago, probably gonna look for an open seat again this year.
>>14135803
LeMons seems like a good series, but why the fuck don't they race at VIR? The closest LeMons track to me in Carolina and unless 1 car can be eligible for both series I don't see myself building a car specifically for the 3 LeMons races per year that I'm within a reasonable distance of.
>>14135880
The problem with LeMons is that you have to be an autistic neckbead to get entry and have stupid nonfunctional costumes for your car and team unique enough to get you in. Especially at the popular events with a waiting list. Chump Car is more actual race cars just with shit boxes.
>>14135880
I'm actually working with a bunch of guys I autox with to build a e30 for chump. I previously built a car for Lemons - my interpretation of the rules is that you could get a 100% legal Chump car into LeMons, as long as you have a silly theme.
Don't know what to tell you about VIR, I'm on the west coast.
>>14134766
I would love to hit a LeMons race at Gingerman, trouble is I don't know enough people who would want to actually race a car.....
>tfw you're the only one in your group who doesn't hard-park.
>>14135782
I was garbage when I first started racing. Took me half a year of going to the track nearly every weekend before I was an average mid-pack shitter. That's why I always recommend buying a go kart if you wanna git gud, it's the only way a normal person can afford the seat time necessary. Now I can win races and even championships but I'm still at a kind of "best of the rest" state, can't catch the fastest drivers unless they have problems. It's a combination of still not knowing entirely what I'm doing with setup and my driving skill level being just not quite there yet. Those last few tenths are fucking hard as balls to reach. And that's just with other amateurs, I'd probably get raped if I raced against professionals.
>>14136305
autocross is another good way to get seat time, but for some reason this board goes apeshit if you mention it.
>>14136383
I did a lot of autocross and track days and all that before but the wheel-to-wheel environment forced me to learn much quicker than just driving around by myself. Kind of a sink or swim sort of deal. Not saying autocross is bad but you can climb the learning curve more quickly in a big pack of other cars.
>>14136441
You sort of get the same thing with Solo competition, except you sink or swim in 3 runs. Generally why people get so good at the point edge of the pack is because you have 3 runs to beat 65+ plus people in your same class at nationals. It's tough. But yeah lots of ways get seat time, I will be trying to get back in a LeMons or Chump seat this year.
>>14136305
I don't want to git gud necessarily. I just liked it a lot when I was out there and it's the logical progression of hobbies for someone who likes cars. I'd be fine with getting mediocre. I'm under no delusions of going any further with racing than my wallet can take me.
>>14134888
>>fun is a waste of money
You can spend 4 digit figures in one day just to rent a track for only less than an hour driving time.
That is if there is a track nearby that actually allows to be rented.
That is if you know or have the credentials to even rent out a track.
Which would mean the entry fee is at least $500 for someone to ride in your car with you and then having them tell you what to do.
So when does the fun actually start?
>>14136712
>500 entry free
Around here it costs 200 or less for a whole day of HPDE. Are you brain damaged?
>>14136712
>You can spend 4 digit figures in one day just to rent a track for only less than an hour driving time.
U wot m8? More like $150 to drive all day long. Can be under $100 if you just do those "SCCA track night" things.
>That is if there is a track nearby that actually allows to be rented.
This can be a problem but if you're willing to drive a couple hours into the countryside usually not. A bigger problem is a lot of backwoods club racing tracks don't advertise for spectators so normalfags like you haven't heard of them and wouldn't even know where their nearest tracks are.
>That is if you know or have the credentials to even rent out a track.
Ok if you want to rent out the entire track for yourself it can get into the four figures for a day, but they'll usually cut a deal with your team if you make them your go-to testing facility and pay for an entire year. Not like they have anything going on during the week anyway.
>Which would mean the entry fee is at least $500 for someone to ride in your car with you and then having them tell you what to do.
Never heard of a $500 track day. $500 entry fee for a big national level race in a formula car maybe...
>>14134766
It's too expensive to do casually and i wouldn't want to drive someone else's car.
Are these races even fun to watch?
