>2003 Honda Odyssey
>3.5L V6 240 hp @ 5500 rpm, 242 ft-lbs. @ 4500 rpm
>GM 3.8L V6 3800 series 2 from 2003
>200hp @ 5200 rpm, 225 ft-lbs. @ 4000 rpm
What the hell, GM?
Lazy engineering
>>14123334
>comparing OHC to pushrods
At least pick a relevant engine to pick on.
>>14123334
What's up Alphonse?
>>14123344
displacement, cylinders, year, price and NA or FI are all that matters.
>>14123358
Not even, I own a 2003 impala. The engine is reliable and provides a torquey response but desu it's pretty obvious it was not a top motor at the time, just serviceable and reliable.
>>14123334
>2003 honda odyssey
>chronic transmission failure
>trans failure after 50k miles
>warrantee work doesnt actually fix it
What the hell, Honda?
>>14123373
Gotta pay to play, and its worth it with Honda™
>>14123359
Valvetrain type matters as well. OHC engines in general make more power.
Besides, GM beat the 3800's output in 1991 with the LQ1 3.4L V6
>>14123373
>chronic transmission failure
my bro is getting a 2004 Odyssey for free from his parents and I believe he said that the trans is going out. should he be scurred?
>>14123373
>2016 Corvette Z06
>massive engine failure after 8 miles
>overheats after 1 lap
>would lose to a honda odyssey in a 10 lap race
>"certified supercar"
>>14123389
>GM beat the 3800's output in 1991
That's my point. Yet, they were still using the 3800 series 2 until 2005. When they should have upgraded it or replaced it.
>>14123417
They we originally supposed to kill off the 3800 after the 1999 model year and replace it in everything with the shortstar here:
>>14123344
Shareholders pitched a fit though because the 3800 made similar power, was easier to work on, and thousands cheaper to make. And so the 3800 survived while the shortstar was killed.
TLDR: Blame boomers.
>>14123389
>Valvetrain type matters as well
No it doesn't. The only thing I forgot was MPGs. So it's
>MPGs, displacement, cylinders, year, price and NA or FI are all that matters.
>>14123451
ok. Then comparing a flathead V8 to a modern OHC V8 is a valid and fair comparison.
>except it isn't fair.
>>14123459
Not near as bad as comparing a 5.7L v8 to a 1.3L rotary.
3800 is like a 1950s shitbox engine with some updates here and there
thats what the hell
>>14123465
You mean a 5.7L V8 to a 3.9L rotary
>>14123459
If they're from the same year, same price and being sold along side each other, it's absolutely a fair comparison.
>>14123417
It was the cheapest minivan on the market IIRC. Using old parts was one of the ways they kept it there.
Worth mentioning that the J35 engine is still in the current model Odyssey, still making ~250 hp, 16 years after introduction. Meanwhile GM's minivans have moved to the 280hp LLT.
Not that they're better vans. They're not. But they can tow 3500lbs without voiding the warranty or grenading the transmission, so there's that.
>>14123403
yes. just google odyssey trans failure, itll tell you everything you need to know.
>>14123404
So its like a Subaru.
>>14123404
CONFIRMED
Z06 IS A TERRIBLE MINIVAN
IT'S OVER, GM IS FINISHED
