>want fast car that also has aesthetics and luxury like the M3
>can only afford regular 3 series, or non luxury brand fast car
How do I get the best of both worlds? Fun to drive but also some luxury.
>>14117962
Keen for answer.
In other news I was bored a few nights ago and decided to look at the baseline bmw models the new ones going from 50-90k.
to my surprise 95% of them were 100-140 kw's of power only.
what the actual fuck? i thought they were have been at the 180-230 mark at least but jesus what slow pieces of shit. same for most mercs. amg's and m's are the only performance ones
also thought 325i's were fast as well until i looked at the stats for them
>>14117962
you sound dumb enough to never be able to tell the difference between a "luxury car" and a "non luxury car" so i wouldn't worry about it
>>14117962
Get a 3/2/435
>>14118002
this
Buy an ATS.
>>14118002
inb4 this thread talks about how bmw m3 is not luxury. That is not my point, I don't want a fucking s-class. I just use the word to distinguish what I am looking for. I know I can get a loaded honda that has all the same features.
>>14118018
what?
>>14117962
The Volvo S60R and Audi S4 are probably both worth a look, depending on your budget. Much cheaper than M3s, at any rate.
For something a bit more left field, the Jaguar XJ's reputation for unreliability means that, if you know what you're looking for, you can get some serious car for your money. Woe betide you if you don't, though.
Lexus isf?
>>14118026
I am saying saying that I am not under the impression that a base model 3 series is luxury. However I am using the word luxury to distinguish the difference between buying a "luxury brand" car vs. something like ford or toyota. I am not here to debate the accuracy of whether BMW is actually luxury, I am just using that word to distinguish it from other brands.
>>14118018
You've already gotten your answer. The x35 can fill a budget from $15K, has all the commodities and features of an m3, and is easily made faster. Now go away.
>>14117962
so ur asking regular 3 or non lux sports car
>always the latter because performance
370z, mustang are pretty safe bets
>>14117962
if you are dead set in luxury performance, may want to consider used boxster
Tuned 335i
>>14117962
Just get a 328i or one of the other more powerful variations of the 3. Or are you after just having the M badge and a bunch of M shit inside the car?
used 335i can be had for 12k with good miles, comes twin turbo, plenty of creature comfort "Luxury" along with 300hp and 300lb/ft tq.
Don't act like that isn't fun to drive.
>>14118065
Need to stick with a sedan for now.
>>14118078
doesn't need to be M, had a ZHP in the past. Just want something less boring.
>>14118047
The s60r is ass to drive, turns like a blue whale, and is so heavy fwd biased it's gross.
>>14118082
sounds like a blast to drive. I am guessing it is cheaper to run/ maintain than an M3 as well
>>14117962
What you want is a Porsche or a jaguar. Fast and luxurious.
>>14118092
Look it was only said literally four times before you read it. Good job, you're a retard.
>>14118011
Do they make these in manual, having a hard time finding it on build options on the site
>>14117962
get a lightly used v6 jaguar xe
>>14118104
Then light it on fire.
>>14118100
They do.
>>14118093
>>14118104
Seem really nice, but would probably be too pricey for me.
>>14118092
This >>14118099
But seriously, buy a used one, get it walnut blasted (Intake Cleaned, ~$400), buy a Oil Catch Can to keep engine clean (~180), then intercooler(~500), downpipes, CAI, Full exhaust if you want, charge pipe if you want, and an MHD Flash Tune(~150) which is now available on all android devices and can be done within an hour with a $20 cable from amazon and you can easily have >400 hp with little money invested apart from price of car.
>>14118086
Get a 3 with some of the sweet optional extras. I had a 3 a few years ago and it handled like a dream. As for the boring part though, it depends on what you consider boring. The looks? The handling? The social status of the car?
>>14118109
its not expensive enough for that, you buy a 7 series or s-class and drive it in the pool after its third issue
>>14118113
wait some more then. the v6 might even get a manual option soon, regardless XE is second best car in its class and easily the best driving. You could consider an IS as well, but that will never ever ever get a manual coupled with a higher end trim, so yeah
>>14118104
starting price isn't too bad. I bet the reliability is terrible though.
Looks like auto only.
>>14118123
they aren't any worse than german equivalents, if anything they're better
v6 might get manual option, just like the v6 f-type
>>14118115
>>14118117
Are these fun with auto at all, or is it manual or bust?
I consider boring is base-trim slow. Also will admit that I prefer a more unique car that I don't see on the road all the time, but that is just icing on the top.
>>14118131
>they aren't any worse than german equivalents, if anything they're better
Jaguar is one of the worst for reliability. I'd sooner trust a Lada built during the cold war than a Jaguar as a DD.
>>14118139
i'd sooner trust jaguar than anything german high end, doesn't mean i'd own a jaguar or any german car out of warranty for that matter tho
>>14117962
stop being a poor nigger and save up/ get a better job.
This is what happens when you dont go to school folks.
Buy a older cts-v with a ls2 or a SHO. They are quick and are comfortable and look decent as well.
>>14118138
I've found autos to be pretty fun but you'll probably here "autotragic" and "slushbox" from the manual people on here. It comes down to personal choice really.
>>14118138
any 300+ hp car is fun provided its not some slow ass shifting 1970s automatic
that being said those autos are fine but disastrously unreliable
>>14118138
>>14118154
If you get one made after 2007 you can do something called an alpina TCU Flash and it makes the auto tranny one of the best I've ever used. Smoothest shifts in an auto I've ever experienced for sure. Stock automatic still isn't bad at all though, and paddle shifters are a little funner than bump shift.
>>14118149
I have a decent job, and an education. I could buy a new M3 cash, but that would be a stupid decision. Maybe when my salary is like 500k.
>>14118151
How much more reliable than german?
>>14118163
not him but the cts-v will easily take abuse better
>>14118154
>>14118158
>>14118162
cool. I am not against auto, even if it hurts my heart not manually shifting, it actually feels better on my knees.
Just don't want to get stuck with something auto and be bored to death.
>>14118178
just get a snek m8, not much in the way of luxury but its surprisingly comfy
>>14118187
wrong image lol
>>14118187
I don't know what that is
>>14118178
Autos are fine if you have a nice amount of power and handling behind you and the bigger engine 3's off all that. Also every BMW is RWD, they're completely against the idea of FWD so they're great in that way too.
>>14118198
what if I get the AWD version, are those fun?
>>14118195
snek = viper
make sure to get the cheeky one too, for extra smiles when it fucks your shit up
>>14118198
lol'd, cant tell if satire or serious
Depends how fast you need, and how luxurious.
If your okay with a coupe and going a bit smaller, perhaps the M235 if you like BMW
>>14118210
Is that because BMW is starting to make FWD cars?
>>14118224
if he wants something smaller he might as well try to find a decently priced 1M, waaaaaaay better for the value
>>14118225
yeah
Explain luxury.
>>14118138
The auto in the 335 is godly if you get the tcu reflash from Alpina, $10-100
>>14118270
Why does everything Alpina touches turn to gold?
>>14118284
Experience I guess
>>14118206
I have the awd auto version. The awd system is about as good as you can get for electronic systems. Also rwd bias for glorious turns.
It's also probably the easiest car to launch I've ever driven in my life. Jb4(a piggyback tuner) can even help brake boosting for even more hektik stoplight racing
>>14118054
> distinguish the difference
Holy shit OP is retarded.
4-5 year old AMG C63, W211 E55 or E63
Something like this M6 looks fun, but probably a nightmare to own. Only costs 31k.
https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/ctd/5373216118.html
>>14118390
>>14118390
honestly if you cant afford that brand new you cant really afford it used either
just a general rule of thumb
>>14118206
I have an AWD one. The excessive space between the tires and fenders makes it look kind of weird and it's heavier than the RWD.
Currently running stage 1 sport map from COBB. Standing starts are fun because you can floor it and the xdrive puts it down with no slip. Also, I can floor it in pretty shitty conditions and not worry about the tail coming around on me.
As a heads up, xdrive will basically make any front end repair/modification much more difficult.
>>14118429
The excessive space is the only way to get snow chains on it, but lowering the car isn't complicated.
Also
>Cobb
>stages
Lolol
>>14117962
The new Impala.
>>14118478
Ive seen you in other threads you fucking shill
Give me a discount on a new car and you can stay plz
135i is plenty fast and luxury
>>14118465
Is it common to use chains when you already have AWD?
>>14118532
why wouldn't you?
>>14117962
I just bought a regular 3 series.
It's not that fast but it's still fun to drive.
>>14118615
>reguler 3 series
there's a fuckload of difference between say a 320d and a 335i, so what regular 3 series did you get?
>>14118206
i have a 328i 6mt AWD. It's fun, I like it. It grips really well around tight corners. Suspension is a little soft and floaty on the xDrive cars though.
>>14118429
Do you have a coupe or a sedan? The coupes sit higher than the sedans in the front, it's much more pronounced for some reason.
>>14118624
sorry anon, good point. It's a 328i.
I'm this guy. When i'm out of warranty I'll get headers and a tune, decent power bump available there.
>>14118639
>>14118532
If the conditions warrant it, especially if you have all seasons.
>>14118639
I'll probably be selling my 335 coupe for a 6 speed 335xi sedan by next winter
>>14118650
Decent power bump, it's about 20 horse. A tune on a 335I will gain you double that.
Buy an E46 M3.
>>14117962
get the 340i or M2
3.7 MKZ
>>14117962
GOLF R
>>14118002
Found the poor guy with the shit car! Jealous kid? You jealous? Piss off. Go flip some burgers you little zero.
Get an used 335i.
>>14118092
>cheaper to run/maintain than an m3
LOL no. the e92 m3 is rated as one of the most reliable cars bmw has built. the other e9x cars not so much. 335 had pretty terrible consumer reviews for reliability. wouldn't buy one without warranty.
>>14118018
>I don't want a fucking s-class
Yes, you fucking do.
>>14123009
How mad do you have to be to shit talk a day old post?
>>14118497
Easily the most beautiful BMW besides E30.
>>14117962
Buy a regular 3 series and badge it up with eBay badges and stickers. You sound dumb enough to not be able to tell the difference anyway.
>>14118054
Except a base model 3 series can be made just as "luxurious" as a 3 series at the top of the range. The only tangle difference between the various models are engines and chassis. And luxurious is a fucking idiosyncratic term, so who fucking cares. Choose a car based on your own criteria and stop searching for validation from others, which is exactly what you are doing here. No matter how much you might vociferate otherwise, you won't convince me that you are not. Fuck off.
>>14124315
>tangle
*tangible
>>14118054
ah so you're a brand whore. why didn't you just say so?
>>14117962
Get a regular 3 series and rebadge it
>>14127339
is that seriously what you understood out of the post? I am being very candid about looking for something like a BMW and I am using 3 series as a comparison to a loaded accord.
Having learned how to drive on an E46 and also driving Hondas for years I can tell you there a a difference between the two. Just ergonomics and driving feel are not the same. who cares if the brand is also nicer, Bmw are super common in my city. I have plenty of luxury shit that is completely unbranded and you couldn't tell the difference either way.
>>14128104
But that is the same as having a slow 328i, actually worse because it is try hard as fuck. I know you are making a joke but at least put some effort into reading because I said that I want something fast. Try again
>>14129474
A 335 is faster, as luxurious for over $10K less than the m3, and is a regular 3 series
No idea how much those fenders will run you, though
>>14129674
The 335i is only faster if you void your warranty and tune it...
>inb4 you can reflash it to stock before warranty work
If you think BMW can't detect that you've flashed it, then you're stupid.
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