how do you fix understeer in a 3,000 pound FWD for family fun car with 63/37 weight distribution
buy a mustang
aggressive styling
Give me the name and manufacturer anon...
>>14106981
Stiffen the rear
You fix the problems it has, get it a nice detailing, and sell it for a car that's lighter with a better knowledgebase for performance.
Alternatively trade it for a 600 supersport bike or a SV650.
>>14106997
i dont want to do that no thanks
stance it
>>14107002
Then you're fucked, quit posting. Get a car that already has a ton of people turning them into racecar or buy a sportbike and worry more about learning how to ride it.
>>14107012
Why am I fucked?
What's wrong with my car?
>>14107020
Weight, drive wheels, and the fact that you're making this thread instead of googling a answer and finding said answer from a person whose done it a million times before you
>>14107038
What's wrong with FWD?
it's got a wheelbase of 101.8
I think you may just be a benchracer who wants to hate cars
>>14107020
>What's wrong with my car?
Short term memory loss eh?
>understeer in a 3,000 pound FWD for family fun car with 63/37 weight distribution
What's it like to be a gold fish?
>>14107044
Again, if you can't Google the answer and find a answer to your question on a forum dedicated to your car, its likely going to be more difficult than its worth doing.
Just polish it up, sell it, and get something worth doing.
>>14107052
wh-what
anyway i am never going to drop my car
>>14107054
>sell it
no
Y'all getting trolled
>>14107096
Im not
im genuinely looking for help here
>>14107095
Enjoy wasting time and money being slow and inferior then
>>14107106
whats your problem here
nobody forced you to open the thread
>>14106981
Best fix is an oily rag in the filler neck and a match tbqh breh.
What car is it?
>>14106981
A thicker rear anti-sway bar (also known as anti-roll bar, or stiffener bar) will put more load on the rear wheels and make your car more neutral or even oversteery. A FWD car will never oversteer under acceleration, but you can make it oversteer under braking/lifting off the throttle or even steady-state cornering. You want to be careful because with less weight over the rear wheels, it can easily come in the form of snap oversteer. So don’t get one that’s too stiff.
>>14107138
what about decreasing weight while still being able to carry four people?
>>14107109
yes it is
because we get a thread at least once a week about some high schooler trying to make his parents ford taurus/chevy lumina into a race car after he saw initial d
either sell the car and get something worth building (bmw e30/e36, honda civic/integra, mazda miata) or buy a sportbike and keep the car
>>14107160
Smash all the glass, rip out all the carpet, remove spare tyre, remove all interior trim, delete AC and PS, remove wiring for those systems, drill holes in the base of your rims for maximum weight reduction.
>>14107196
i dont want to sell my car and thats final
why would i sell my car and only be able to afford a shitbox id need to build from the ground up when i have a car right now that i can tune
>>14107160
Lower weight is good for handling, but you won't be able to remove enough to have a greater effect than a stiffer rear bar.
>>14107217
i mean lower weight in addition to the rear bar
>>14107203
Tell us wtf it is, it'll affect what your tuning priorities will need to be.
>>14107203
because building your primary form of transportation into a race car never works out and only turns it into one big compromise machine that isn't a reliable comfortable primary form of transportation or a fast race car
you think im joking but i'm really not, get a sportbike if you can't afford a second car
>>14107226
no thanks
I dont like the idea of owning more than one car
sorry
Spare wheels at the rear
>>14107249
50/50 weight distribution isnt even good for FF so thatd just increase the weight for no reason
>>14107223
It'll help a little bit, but not much. Get a carbon fiber hood (with proper hood pins) but I wouldn't do much else.
Priorities should be:
1. Rear anti-sway bar
2. springs/shocks (what kind, you ask? tell us what goddamn car you have already!!)
3. lightweight, wider wheels with UHP tires
4. motor mounts
5. carbon fiber hood
5. power mods, starting with intake/ cat-back exhaust
>>14107316
should the wheels at the front be wider than the rear?
what about alignments and camber
>>14107326
That depends on WHAT KIND OF FUCKING CAR IT IS
>>14107411
Buick century
>>14107326
Handling is a matter of self-confidence. If you believe in yourself, you can achieve anything.
>>14107434
That’s a challenge because their steering doesn’t feel very precise, and there’s no easy way to change it.
In a hardcore race car you’d use wider and larger front wheels, but on a street car just keep them the same so you can still rotate your tires. FWD cars usually have hard limits on how large you can go in front – too wide a wheel and you won’t be able turn all the way without rubbing. That’s why a lot of the sportier Hondas and Acuras have such wide turn radiuses.
Max out front caster. Camber should be mildly negative front and back, maybe -1.0 degree. More if you turn like a maniac. Toe should be minimally inward in front, a little bit more in the back.
>>14106981
>36 replies
This board honestly couldn't get any worse.
>>14107466
that wasnt me or my car but you give good advice
>>14107487
fuck off
>>14107411
It's a dodge avenger
>>14107500
>fuck off
What
>>14107503
That's not even that bad, at least in terms of handling. And bolt-ons are easier to find for that car. Start with the sway bar, then look for better tires.
>>14106981
Reverse stagger wheels and left foot braking.
>>14107479
Whats wrong with that?
>Active board
It would be much worse if i made a thread and it got no replies because people thought they were too "enthusiast" to answer a basic question.
>>14106995
the one and only correct answer.
Make the rear stiff enough and the front soft enough, you can make any car oversteer.
>>14107647
It's not about oversteer or sikk durrifto bro
>>14107503
You kill yourself for buying a chrysler product
>>14106981
335 fronts, 225 rears. Same compound.
>>14106981
put a 600 lb weight in the trunk
>>14107584
Because you're a shitposting troll.
>>14107805
That's not how it works
>>14107411
Honda Prelude
>>14107651
But it is about preventing understeer. Oversteer isnt always drifting, it can also be used to rotate the car around corners, especially when utilizing left foot braking and trail braking.
>>14107840
ITS TOO HEAVY
>>14106981
Overfill the rears. Underfill fronts.
>>14106981
Do lots of burnouts. Rotate tires. Understeer corrected.
>>14106981
>FWD
>Not understeering
Good luck with that.
>>14106981
Drive in reverse only
>>14107852
3k lbs isn't monster truck level heavy. If you stiffen the rear like that other anon said, it's still possible.
>>14107819
This thread is very /o/ related, if it wasn't for all the meme posters it would make for a good discussion.
>>14107951
>dumbass wants to make his mom's dodge avenger into a race car just like every underage idiot once a week for the last 10 years
>/o/ related
oh for fucks sake
>>14107937
/o/ told me anything over 2,500 pounds, fwd, with 101.8 wheelbase is too fucking big
>>14107951
OP is the shitposter, that's the problem.
>>14107852
Plenty of 3000 cars turn just fine. /o/'s beloved GTR is damn near 4000 lbs.
>>14107912
Easy to make a FWD car not understeer. Much harder to make it actually accelerate out of the corner without wheelspin.
>>14107967
What dodge avenger
>>14107978
How? Everytime I ask for advice you guys get me confused with takumi lad and won't answer any of my questions , then when I repost I get shit on again for reposting and everyone refuses to answer
>>14107988
We do answer them you dumbfuck, you just give some bullshit reason why it isn't a valid answer. You are a shitposter and should consider ending your life if you can't take the advice we give to help you on the slight chance you are being serious.
>>14108071
>you just give some bullshit reason
WHEN
WHEN DID I EVER DO THAT
YOU ARE PROJECTING
>>14108080
Like this
>>14107248
>>14107852
>>14107971
>>14107002
I don't think you know what projecting means.
>>14108112
maybe because
>sell car buy bike
>buy another car
isnt really a good bit of advice for what I want to do?
half of those posts aren't even me
You act like I'm ignoring all advice, you just seem determined to hate me for whatever reason
LSD will help
>>14108120
Then don't complain about lack of advice if that isn't you, the swaybar thing and tire fuckery are legitimately good advice.
Also, coming from someone with two cars, having a second vehicle is great. You can fuck around with parts on the other one while still bein able to drive places. I'd consider it.
>>14108132
When did I complain about lack of advice?
God damn man what is your deal?
I was thankful that I have gotten this much advice so far
>>14108137
Right here
>>14107988
>>14108152
I'm not complaining about lack of advice there, jesus. Read the posts i was responding too
>>14108159
>won't answer any of my questions
Sure as shit sounds like complaining about lack of advice to me.
>>14108168
In past threads dude
why do you let this shit bother you so much
So the way you make a FWD car do good
Is you take it immediately to the junkyard?
>>14108233
THIS
the 5th Gen prelude is worthless
pig fat, heavy, AND FWD
The new 3's are ugly as sin
Pic related, last objectively good looking 3
>>14108380
FAT AND WORTHLESS
>>14108567
chink
>>14108444
This and the current gen Mazda3 are the only good looking 3s.
>>14111021
Sorry, this. >>14108444 is pigfat and ugly.
>>14106981
put racing stripes on it
>>14107466
-1.0 degrees in the rear
-2.5 to 3.0 on the front
>muh FF corner machine
wider tyres on the front
stiffer rear anti-sway bar
delete weight like a madman
dont waste money on carbon stuff. if it's shit stock, it won't stop being shit just because its bonnet is 10 pounds lighter.
>>14111269
wrong
>>14107434
The key thing is compliance. You've gotta both remove the steeering bushings, perhaps stiffen the front suspension bushings, and then fit stiffer anti roll bars front and rear.
Then the trick is fitting the thicker front anti-roll bar with soft bushings, so that it has little effect on a straight line, but keeps the roll under control when at full attack. In order to get the balance as close to neutral as possible all you have to do is to make the rear anti-roll bar (this one with the stiffest bushings) adjustable.
It won't be a cornering demon, but it should suffice to make it chuckable. You could play with camber and increasing the tire size, but as I understand that isn't as simple.
>>14112462
>Then the trick is fitting the thicker front anti-roll bar with soft bushings, so that it has little effect on a straight line
sway bars don't affect straight line anyway you tard
>Every road is perfectly smooth
If that was the case, the front anti roll bar wouldn't affect straight line stability at all.
>>14107411
toyota camry
>>14112508
>grasping this hard
>>14112512
BWAHAHAHA
You must really be in high school? Sell it and get some shitbox Honda so you can buy 2nd hand parts off of mexicans.
Put wider tires on the front and stiffen the suspension all around. After that maybe a bit stiffer sway bar in the front end. I'm no expert with this shit though, do your research.
>>14113014
fwd is good though
>>14112512
V6? They can be pretty quick, probably faster than most of your friends Honda's
