How are Scions quality-wise /o/? I'm looking to buy a used tC but I don't know much about cars. I want a 2-door coupe and so far I like the styling of the tC more than most other cars. I'm open to suggestions though. I have about 9k$ saved up and will be able to get around 11k$for my current car. What coupes should I look at?
worse than shit
>>14085117
Nah breah there burty gud petty much a sporty camry and you'll beat most civics
>>14085166
This
Also you'll be able to stomp any Subaru. Like easily. And if u put some adjustable coilovers on it you can rally that bitch and stomp subarus on dirt
>>14085204
Don't forget to camber dat bitch gotta be hella cool brah
It's a camry with a different body/badge
Literally thats it thats the car
They're just JDM Toyotas with a different badge and the steering wheel moved.
>>14085117
Scions are dank af fåm
>>14085166
This. Except the tC doesn't use the chassis of the Camry, just the engine. Chassis comes from the older Celica.
>>14085117
The trunk latch/handle WILL break.
Aside from that, it's a Toyota.
>>14088508
Nah, as long as you are careful. Also, there was a recall to get them fixed at any dealer.
So what I'm getting from you guys that aren't memeing (I think) is that its basically a re-branded Toyota. Which doesn't sound like a bad thing so far.
Also thank you to everyone who gives this thread a serious reply.
>>14088785
It is. ALL Scions are essentially rebadged Toyotas. The only one that isn't is the new Scion iA, which is a rebadged Mazda 2 sedan.
I own a 2014 tC. I love it. It hits a certain sweet spot. Sportier than an economy car, though not an all out sports car. Means you can have fun and still be practical. The liftback is nice, I like it better than a standard trunk. Overall, just know what you're getting and don't expect it to be something it's not.
just get a brz
>>14089517
Why? It's 5 grand more expensive, minimum, and slower in a straight line.
>>14089526
>straight line speed
lol
buy a mustang or something more expensive for your drag races bro
>>14088785
they're good cars, and fast like the others have said. used to have one till my brother hit a deer with it.
>>14089535
IV beaten a mustang gt convertible in my brz. At a drag strip.
>>14089535
If you're looking at a Scion tC, you're clearly not looking for an all out sports car. You want something decently quick, and handles well with a USEABLE back seat. The rear hatch is more practical than the Toyobarus trunk.
And the 2.5L engine in the tC, despite being less powerful (180 HP) than the 2.0L (200 HP) of the Toyobaru, it makes much more torque, which makes it's quicker in the real world and on a track.
Scionce and technology
>>14089575
This. The tcs backseat is insanely usable for a 2 door. I own a 2015 and I can haul around me and 3-4 others pretty comfortably
>>14089646
I can fit a washer in my MX3 hatch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fvOg13V5mI
>>14089909
The Sions are pretty good quality compared to Dodge Chrysler Ford. The commercial written into adult the swim programming is pretty cringey tho
my friends made fun of me when I replaced the logo on my corolla with a scion one, but the car really does perform better because of it.
>>14088508
That, and the LED 3rd brake light burning out are pretty much the only non-wear items I had to fix on my 2007. The light I fixed by drilling a hole, and then cramming an LED strip into the space in the assembly. The hatch garnish got fixed in the recall campaign.
OP you should seriously consider this car. I have almost 105,000 miles on mine with virtually no trouble, and it is by far the easiest car I've ever worked on. It's a good compromise of performance and usability.
It's the best car I've ever owned.
>>14088076
From the Avensis, I think. The Euro-Camry. Not much fun to drive.
>>14085117
The tC is a Toyota in every single way except badge. They're dead fucking reliable. Fun enough, extremely practical for a coupe, decent gas mileage, don't look too shitty. They don't excel at anything but they don't really fail at anything either.
You can get 2010's with like ~69,000 miles for around $10k.
>>14089526
You can bargain a Subaru dealer for a BRZ, you can't with a Scion.
>>14091194
>>14089526
because on the lot the BRZ is the same price and the salesmen will negotiate.
scion has a strict "no negotiation" policy for people who can't into haggling.
Also it's worth not having a Scion badge.
![546c342d0a0d028a0168afddf4377749[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/IZnvgRA.jpg "546c342d0a0d028a0168afddf4377749[1].jpg")
>>14091081
>don't look too shitty
are you kidding? this roofline is absolutely hellacious
>tfw the first gen XB is underrated
>27mpg city, ~33+ highway
>great seating position
>easy to use
>easy to get in and out of
>practical interior
>low hp but it gets to city speeds surprisingly quick
>>14091226
Yeah you're right about the newer ones. I don't find any generation great looking but honestly I think they're better then a lot of other cars in that segment. That really isn't saying much though is it?
>>14091222
>scion has a strict "no negotiation" policy for people who can't into haggling.
is that only for new cars?
>>14091678
yes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciOqHMVdhsQ
>>14091047
And the Avensis uses a slightly updated version of the 2000-2005 Celica chassis.
>>14089984
Name a part that the tC shares with the Corolla. They're completely unrelated.
>>14088860
This.
Scions are Japanese cars for people that hate Japan.
>>14088895
>though not an all out sports car
>implying a TC is anywhere close to being a sports car...
>>14093396
>macpherson strut front suspension
>double wishbone rear suspension
>sport-tuned struts/shocks
It's the same setup as the Toyobaru which IS a sports car, complete with an impractical back seat.
>>14085117
i've got a 103K miles on a '12 xB, quality wise its nice. very comfortable. dont know about the tC tho, but i imagine somewhat similar
>>14093499
Consumer Reports test many cars in 2015 and they think these are the worst:
<Japanese Shortlist>
Toyota Yaris: Yaris remains a slow, noisy, and tinny subcompact with a choppy ride and an awkward driving position.
Scion tC: Question: When is a sporty car not sporty at all? Answer: When it’s the Scion tC.
The Scion tC’s stiff suspension and heavy steering shouldn’t fool you into thinking this is a performance machine. Handling is entirely humdrum, and even smooth roads produce a jarring ride.
Mitsubishi i-MiEV: Some electric cars have impressed us (Tesla Model S, Ford Focus Electric, Nissan Leaf), but Mitsubishi’s lackluster effort somehow feels short-circuited in contrast. It’s not even because its meager 59-mile range and a six-hour recharge time. It’s that the ride is horrendous, acceleration is painfully slow, and the i-MiEV comes with an antiquated interior with fit and finish that feels decidedly third-world cheap.
Mitsubishi Mirage: The Mirage is powered by a small, vibration-prone three-cylinder engine. Handling is so clumsy, it feels scary. To lure customers, Mitsubishi primed the pump with a rather impressive list of standard features. But the car is far too slow and noisy, even for a cheap subcompact.
•Lexus NX 200t/300h. The new compact SUV edition form the Lexus line seems too much to Consumer Reports like the Toyota RAV4, especially the "jostling" ride. Some components feel cheap, and overall it falls short of German competitors.
>>14093499
Sorry to burst your bubble, but FWD is far from a sports car.
>>14093603
This. I've read multiple reviews implying the TC isn't even sporty to drive. All style, no feel.
>>14085117
1st gen tC and it just won't die
>>14093622
Thats expected when electric everything and components from family sedans
>>14093396
>though not an all out sports car
Did all those words confuse you. Let me simplify it for you
>not a sports car
It's not a sports car, it's a fun economy car. It's competition is cars like the Civic and the Focus, the regular ones, not the Si or ST.
>>14093671
more of a sporty fun coupe than an econobox in my book
>>14093687
Yeah, I suppose you're right. Economy/econobox to me just means affordable, like under 25k new. Though the threshold should really be lower. Cars like the Versa or the Spark are better examples of economy cars.
>>14093671
You don't seem to understand my point. Scion TC and sports car shouldn't even be in the same sentence.
>>14093771
Oh my bad, didn't mean to offend the Lord of Sports Car Sentences. Fuck off faggot.
>>14093783
>Thinks his TC is sporty because it shares suspension parts with Toyobaru
>Reality: Camry coupe
>>14093839
>feeling this threatened about Scions
What's the matter, did a scion fuck your mom? I bet you drive an NA miata.
>>14093771
No one here explicitly stated the tC was a sports car. The only thing really said is that it uses the same type of suspension front and rear as the FR-S sports car, which it does. But so does the new Scion iM. The tC is decent fun and can be properly fun when modified.
>but the car should be fun stock!
except that modifying a car IS THE ENTIRE FUCKING POINT OF SCION IN THE FIRST PLACE! It's what built the fucking brand to start with.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pY2Haja1xps
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjxYlZWG8W0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7E6RCcfEGg
>>14093839
It uses a Camry's 4 banger engine and nothing else. It shares its chassis with the Scion iM/Toyota Auris, and Toyota Avensis, which is an updated version of the 2000-2005 Celica chassis.
>>14093875
>feeling this defensive about Scions
See how that works?
>>14093876
>Sportier than an economy car, though not an all out sports car.
This implies that he thinks the TC is at least partial sports car. Any FWD car is 0% sports car.
>>14093914
>Any FWD car is 0% sports car.
>>14093931
Thanks for proving the point lmao
>>14093914
Except that's wrong. There are FWD sports cars. Get over it
>>14093933
try reading that first
>>14093931
>Any Integra
>Sports car
>Probable brain damage
>>14085117
The Scion tC is a girl car.
20 year old integra > any scion
>>14093978
Chicks and EDM dude-bros
![CTGNjn9UsAAMDA4[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/hFc11ZG.jpg "CTGNjn9UsAAMDA4[1].jpg")
>>14094000
>trips
TOYOBARU CONFIRMED ABSOLUTELY REKT
TOYOTAKEKS ON SUICIDE WATCH
>>14093881
>point out that you're shitposting
>defensive
I totally see how that works.
>>14093914
>>Sportier than an economy car, though not an all out sports car.
>This implies that he thinks the TC is at least partial sports car.
No it doesn't. If I describe myself as athletic because I'm a runner, does that mean I think I'm a "partial athlete"?
>Any FWD car is 0% sports car.
Clearly exaggerating, or else every "sporty" feature would be related to the car's drivetrain, and steering/tires/height would be irrelevant.
>>14093978
It is when it's stock, and those tend to be automatic. Good luck finding it in manual, OP.
FWD is so much not that much worse than rwd that it's almost better. Transaxles are superiour to driveshafts. MR > FR >= FF
>>14094055
>calls out retard on glorifying his Scion
>apparently shitposting
oh, okay
>Clearly exaggerating
Nope. Any proper sports car is not FWD.
>>14094079
It can't do time saving maneuvers like drifting anf because of physics can't go fast so it sucks
>>14094151
>drifting
>time saving maneuver
b8
>>14094141
see pic
>>14094151
Yes it can. Look up lift-off oversteer
>>14094079
>almost better
Lol. It's either better or not.
>SPOILER ALERT
It's not.
>>14094185
>It's either better or not.
>the world is black and white. gray areas don't exist
What this thread has turned into:
>the tC is a sporty compact car
>hurr durr it's not a sports car
>sporty, no one ever claimed it's a sports car. There's a difference.
>hurr durr not a sports car
Fucking retards.
>>14094199
I know, right?
>>14094176
That does nothing for me. You're going to have to explain what the Mitsu has to do with anything. Too intellectual for me.
>>14094199
RWD cucks grasping at straws
nothing new
>>14094216
The Mitsubishi 3000GT and Dodge Stealth were Mitsubishi's flagship sports cars in the 1990's. AWD, twin turbo V6, and active aero.
But that's the top of the line models. The base models were FWD with either the N/A 3.0L V6 or the 3.0L twin turbo V6. Either way, all 3 variants were classified as sports cars.
>>14094227
now compare 80s-90s cars AKA cars i can afford
no type car cause USA
>>14094227
>implying lap times around a track matter for a DD
how autistic are you exactly?
>>14094227
>Any man past college age driving a tuned Civic
>>14094244
then what are we even comparing anymore
as a DD FWD would still win in that department
i dont understand
>>14094235
The fwd variant is a piece of shit. Actually, they both are.
>>14094245
wow you might as well give up being into cars after you turn 26 right?
>>14094251
This. Even then the Scion tC comes out on top. Fucking RWDfags continue to grasp at straws
>muh feels
>>14094258
I never said it wasn't shit. Only that both AWD and FWD variants were designed from scratch as sports cars.
>>14094260
>realizing how gay civics are
>giving up on being into cars
k
>>14093978
This. There are 7 tCs in my area, all are driven by women in their teens/early twenties
>>14094266
>I never said it wasn't shit. Only that both AWD and FWD variants were designed from scratch as sports cars.
>>14094266
>both AWD and FWD variants were designed from scratch as sports cars.
No. The FWD variant was designed as a cheaper option for fags who just want a cool looking car.
>>14094277
alright kid
>>14094289
you dont know what that sentence means do you
>>14094266
>Thinking lap times validate sports car status
>Thinking a Scion TC will ever be as fun to drive as the shittiest RWD car
>>14094251
Because rwd is more fun to drive. I'll never ever buy another fwd car again. They feel like absolute shit.
Would the Scion t(iny)C(elica) be a good first car?
>>14094297
>Thinking a Scion TC will ever be as fun to drive as the shittiest RWD car
I think a tC is more fun than a Crown Vic
>>14094304
It's basically a new corolla with two doors. It's a fwd economy car.
Don't buy one going into it thinking it's a sports car. It isn't.
>>14094244
>>14094245
>this assmad
kek kek
pic related
all of them faster than the scion FR-Slow
>>14094317
I don't want a sports car... I want a fun compact daily driver. I'm also looking at the Ford Fiesta ST.
>>14094141
>calling his tC "sporty" is glorifying his Scion
What are you, the chairman of the sports car club of America? It IS sporty, at least first gen was.
Just look at this fucking behemoth ready to hoon it up. Tell me you aren't terrified.
>>14094298
>i drove a bad fwd
>therefore all fwd is bad
>>14094307
Yeah?
>>14094318
>Lap times
No one cares. It's still a Civic.
>>14094227
>extremely limited edition and tuned car
>vs
>stock dealer sold car at 60% the price
Enjoy your undesteer
>>14094346
yeah
>>14094346
A tC can do that too. So can a Cobalt
>>14094361
>sticker under the headlight says "Don't Fear Torque Steer"
I laughed.
>>14094327
fiesta
>faster
>more fun
>commands more respect among male peers
tc
>cuter
>more reliable
>might age better
>>14094304
Even though I'm currently shitting on it... Yes, absolutely.
>Cheap
>Reliable
>Decent looks
Go sick.
>>14094367
Forgot about that meme. Time to go back to calling RWD fanbois limp-wristed pussies who lack upper body strength.
>>14094344
Enjoy your understeer kid.
>>14094327
Get the ST. It's a far superior car.
>>14094378
what are you even talking about
>>14085204
Make sure to remove your cats, by then you'll have so much top end you can beat any EVO X on a dig. Don't forget the dapper stickers!
>>14094361
Stock-for-stock, faggot. Don't try to pull that bullshit. Regardless, FWD burnouts are fucking gay.
>>14089566
>something that never happened
I do say, I would believe you if it was a 94 gt convert and he missed a gear
>>14094403
exactly. stock for stock, a tC is more fun than a Crown Victoria
>>14094403
>stock for stock
holy shit a tc is way better than a crown vic
is this even a fucking question
>>14089566
Back tires were deflated to 10 psi, ebrake was left engaged, and the roof was only halfway retracted on the Mustang?
>>14094357
>>14094359
>all this buttmad
kek
>>14094403
>crown vic
Now we know what you own. Explains why you have so much car envy.
>>14094431
Those pics are really funny. Can I save that one?
Post the one where Type R does 0-60 in 2 seconds next.
>>14092216
>2000-2005 Celica
fat FWD fucking piece of shit that didn't even deserve the celica name
>hey guys no one buys these cars that are already fine
>why don't we INJECT MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF FAGGOTRY INTO THEM, that should work
>you're a genius let me suck your dick!
>Project """""""""""Genesis"""""""""""
>>14094431
Comparing a 300hp car to an anemic piece of shit. Is there a reason why you think I have a hard-on for Toyobarus?
>>14094447
no you cant its my OC
>>14093914
Just gonna take the bait
>Acura Integra Type-R
>F-Body Dodge Charger
>any hot hatch
>>14091238
Dude this thing is a great vehicle. My mom bought a brand new one back the second year? They were out. Maybe the end of the first. No real problems just yet except the windshield isn't situated right so it leaks. It looks funny and cool and extremely practical. It's at 90k miles and sounds somewhat endearing with its engine
>>14094370
The festia is also way smaller and has huge visibility issues. Good luck seeing out the back of that bitch. The tc is also alot cheaper used. And no one is going to respect you for driving a festia just becuase its an St.
>>14096870
It's also the best box. Nissan Cube and Kia Soul are shit.
Pretty good senpai, i'm loving my iA tbqh. I mean M2.
They're all just costumed toyotas anyway breh. So they're reliable
>>14095773
>F-Body Dodge Charger
U wat nigga?
