>be ford
>advertise "ALL ALUMINUM F150!!!!!1111"
>entire community is thrilled
>the only aluminum part is the bed
why?
>be ford
posting from the side of the road?
>>14082626
Aluminum fatigues, steel doesn't unless pushed to extremes. It would be fine for a couple years maybe, but lots of bumping around on roads and shit would eventually tank safety ratings in an aluminium cab.
>>14082649
the cab is aluminium retards
>>14082655
arent you that guy who was impersonating alphonse for no good reason?
it's Aluminium
>>14082670
My point still stands. These will fall apart far sooner from stress fatigue.
>>14082714
yeah maybe in 50 years
the design is fine
>>14082690
idk I cant tell any of you apart its all pretty autistic as far as im concerend but the variety of different names makes it hard to filter
>>14082728
Imagine all the amazing cars we would lose if they wouldnt hold up after 50 years.
Ford builds an F150 that can be optioned to be lighter than the heaviest Mustang, Camaro, or Challenger and butthurt people freak out and make ad hominems against it. My favorite is the GM commercials that make a point about how they use military grade steel and make fun of aluminum Fords when GM is going aluminum with at least the next gen trucks if not slowly incorporating into the current gen.
>>14082739
unless that's some sort of odd ball museum car it's probably been restored at least once if not multiple times to the point where there are few if any factory body panels left. Even today the top notch restos use little more than the tub skin with the entire body (hood, decklid, fenders, doors, quarters, roof, and floors being replaced).
>>14082739
steel rusts aluminum doesnt
>>14082751
Oh shut up
>>14082753
>Restoring Aluminum.
Do you know how much of a bitch aluminum is to work with?
>>14082751
but why? didnt you say you would just stop posting with anime because people kept stealing them?
>>14082756
aluminum corrodes too. ford employs coatings to slow the process, but those coatings break down with use wear and tear just like steel coatings. anywhere on the truck that scratches through the coating will corrode. if you've ever seen aluminum corrode it's nasty looking albeit not necessarily as structurally damaging as rust.
>>14082756
Aluminum oxidizes.
It's not some kind of magic corrosion proof metal just because it doesn't rust.
>>14082768
>>14082767
Aluminium forms aluminium oxide on its surface instantly and ONLY its surface unless exposed to very, very specific conditions. So unless it rains mercury where you live, no it won't corrode away.
>>14082765
Yes I did
>>14082759
that's why I didn't and this guy
>>14082751
keeps doing it because he is buttmad that GM cant and won't ever compete.
>>14082760
Aluminum is a bitch. You'd only restore an aluminum body on something very valuable. Provided a new F150 doesn't take frame damage or an amount that can be repair on a rack then you're looking at either replacing the entire bed or front clip in either a front or rear collision. If the cab needs replaced too only special models are going to be fixed because insurance is going to declare a total loss. No big deal since cars and especially F150s are just disposable recyclables.
>>14082780
you've obviously never worked with aluminum
>>14082783
Well then why did you take your name off to post that? Check mate
>>14082792
I'm a fucking machinist.
>>14082789
>150
>disposable
>some models cost more than your house
Yeah ok
>>14082801
I don't mind you actually do a pretty good job at this whole me thing. did you even get a bunch of your own anime reaction images? because thats some real dedication right there
Saw a new aluminum F150 after a minor hail storm. Owner said it was considered totaled by insurance. LEL
>>14082789
>You'd only restore an aluminum body on something very valuable
itt: usual business. /o/ knows better than the whole automotive industry.
>>14082802
There's a $150k F150 model you can buy from Ford? Not some aftermarket special edition?
itt mustang reboot all over again
>>14082792
He's right you know...
>>14082821
In this case that's not a terrible argument, but that's sort of a dumb crutch to fall back on. Automotive engineers are given parameters and compromise in almost every category. They don't often design a component for maximum anything. Almost any component could be redesigned to be better at some other category or a particular mix of categories. Almost all production cars are designed full of compromises. Saying blanket saying the designers new best implies that manufacturers wouldn't ever sell a bad car or go out of business. How dumb does that sound. That's how dumb that original argument sounds.
>>14082655
damn thats a nice looking car though
>>14082792
You're a goddamn retard, he's exactly right.
Brand new fords are rolling off of dealer lots and being wrote off under 5K miles in accidents because the aluminum can't take the impact like the old steel bodies could.
The aluminum body is literally only designed for Ford to increase new vehicle sales as they fold in half in accidents. Can't wait to see what they do in even 5 years. Maybe they'll give the early 2000's Taurus a run for their money.
>>14082822
>>14082856
>cars being written off in accidents
wow you dont say
>>14082822
>his house only cost 150k
Top kek anon, top kek indeed. You really got the last laugh there
This thread has opened my eyes to the failures of aluminum as a car body material. I'm currently on hold with Enzo Ferrari and going to tell him the news so they can switch back to steel like in the 40's.
This thread just saved countless Ferraris from never making it past 50 years.
>>14082889
I live in the country. $150k will build/buy you 3k+ square feet with an attached garage and basement garage built within the last decade.
>>14082872
MINOR accidents. Accidents that any half-assed constructed vehicle should come out of repairable.
>>14082928
lol and? broke ass niggas trying to talk shit ayee
>>14082932
Crumple zones, Mayne. Even modern steel cars are meant to be destroyed in accidents to protect the drivers
>>14082944
I wouldn't say I'm broke. Sure, I take a pay cut for living in a place with reduced cost of living, but I still make more relative to the cost of living than if I made more working a similar job in a big city. I like my acreage and privacy. No zoning, housing codes, or home owner's associations.
I still want to know what F150 costs more than a house.
>>14082822
It's a Shelby.
Let's just ignore the fact that the aviation industry has been using pretty much only aluminum until composites came along. I mean what do they know
>>14082966
Wow, I feel bad for anyone that pays $50k for a Ford F150 let alone $150k or more. Shit my local dealer was selling F150 work trucks for $19,999. What more do you need one for than a work truck?
>>14082626
>>14082649
>Aluminum fatigues, steel doesn't
Yea, where the fuck did you take the materials science course that taught you this? You need a refund.
>>14083015
yeah totally nice sarcasm you sure showed that inferior intellect!
I mean for real though, what does the aviation industry know about building trucks?...wait whats that? nothing at all? Oh, well...
>>14083038
alphonse how big is your dick
>>14083026
>unless pushed to an extreme
If you make a spring that fatigues when compressed past 5 inches and put it in something that only compress it three inches, it will theoretically last forever if made of steel. An aluminium one won't. So please, tell me how I'm wrong.
>>14083042
about tree fiddy
>>14083045
That's not how fatigue works.
>>14083038
>metallurgy is different when its on a truck
your stupidity never ceases to amaze
>>14083015
Airplanes also have an expiration date and are required to go through inspections after every flight.
>>14083045
Luckily only the body is made of aluminum and not the frame or springs. Heavy cars have been using cast aluminum control arms for some time now with no problems beyond standard wear and tear though. The F150 body is only a structural aid to the chassis. It's not load bearing or structural, only semi-structural in that it adds some minor chassis stiffening.
>>14083056
I'm tired as shit so sorry if I'm using the wrong term. My point is that all those little rumbles and flexes a vehicle endures add up in an aluminium frame where as 99% won't do shit to a steel one.
>>14083059
>Airplanes also have an expiration date
No.
>are required to go through inspections after every flight.
And why do you think that is? Hint: it's because failures in an aircraft are easily catastrophic and can cause large loss of life.
>>14083056
not him, but that's exactly how fatigue works.
>>14083070
You're not using the wrong term, you're just wrong. All metals will fatigue. Neither steel or aluminum are impervious to it.
>>14083073
>>Airplanes also have an expiration date
>No.
Yes they do you twit. It's decades from when it's built, but airframes expire.
>>14083085
>All metals will fatigue. Neither steel or aluminum are impervious to it.
That's not what I fucking said, now is it? Steel will not fatigue unless stressed past as certain point. Then it will. If the stresses it endures are always under that point then the part will theoretically never wear out. This is why we only make springs out of steel.
>>14083057
>trucks are just like airplanes I promise
yeah no, you have no idea what you're talking about
my step-dad is a air-traffic controller so I would venture to guess I know a TAD more about airplanes than you do poor sad anon.
ITT; dumbasses that belive a truck is ever going to have to cope with 1/10th of the stress an airframe is onvolved in
>>14083070
I don't think so. Think about aluminum dirt bike frames. They undergo ungodly vibrations, rumbles, impacts, and stress. That's just about the only part of them that lasts forever.
>>14083107
>my step-dad is a air-traffic controller so I would venture to guess I know a TAD more about airplanes than you do poor sad anon
this has to be bait.
>>14083113
I'm not denying it would take years or even decades of riding to cause a failure, I'm just saying that a steel frame will last longer and aluminium is more susceptible to stress failures.
>>14083113
It doesn't matter what you think, he's right. Aluminum will eventually fatigue to failure no matter how much forced is applied to it. It might take 5 million years but that frame will fail before a steel one in a vacuum.
>>14082739
>implying that hasn't been heavily restored and everything you can see is only 5-10 years old, if that
>>14083092
>That's not what I fucking said, now is it?
Yes, it is. Is English your second language?
>Steel will not fatigue unless stressed past as certain point
But it will. Like I said, please contact your university for a refund on your materials science courses.
>This is why we only make springs out of steel.
No, it's because of the high yield strength of the specific spring steels. This gives them a higher resistance to plastic deformation which is important in keeping a spring from taking a set after cycling. I know you don't own a car, but if you ever did you'd know that springs eventually require replacement because they will sag. This sag is due to metal fatigue.
Aluminum doesn't behave like steel.
Been i while since i took mechanics of materials but, aluminum weld will always be weaker than the base metal.
Air frames are usually rated by compression/decompression cycles because aluminum work hardens.
>>14082802
sad thing is, I got a job and moved from a decent sized city to rural iowa, a town of 10k. Bought a house when I got here for 53k, and right down the block theres a falling apart house with a 2015 f150 sitting out in front
this is representative of a surprising amount of working class America
>>14083128
>>14083133
>aluminum frames are bad because they will fatigue and fall apart
>so what if it would still outlast the driver and many other critical vehicle parts. I'm right because aluminum eventually fatigues more than steel
>>14083140
No, you're the one that needs to get a refund because they obviously didn't teach you what an elastic limit is and that steel is the only metal with one above 0. Steel will deform under pressure but will ALWAYS return to its original shape if it was deformed less than its yield point. Springs wear out because it's fucking stupid to design a part that lasts forever unless your company is the one that has to pay to replace it.
>>14082626
MILITARY GRADE ALUMINUM
>>14083164
I regularly drive through the hood to get to the Interstate quicker and there's a stretch I call priorities row. Run down, shitty income controlled houses with new BMWs, Mercedes, Camaros, Challengers/Chargers, or high end SUVs out front. And I'm not taking base models. Most of them close to fully loaded high end trims on stupid expensive forged wheels.
>>14083140
Good God you're a retard.
>>14083144
F150s are rivet bonded (i think?)
>>14083180
That just means you can fix it with military grade duct tape.
>>14083174
So you ARE confusing plastic deformation with metal fatigue. That's what I thought.
>>14083174
Stuff you learned is in a perfect world where everything abides by the equations in your text book...
>>14083195
Which is what I said earlier I might be doing and you ignored me.
>>14083195
No.. He's not.
Please take a fucking materials class.
>>14083240
He is.
>>14083240
I am.
>>14083240
In materials science, fatigue is the weakening of a material caused by repeatedly applied loads. It is the progressive and localised structural damage that occurs when a material is subjected to cyclic loading. The nominal maximum stress values that cause such damage may be much less than the strength of the material typically quoted as the ultimate tensile stress limit, or the yield stress limit.
Fatigue occurs when a material is subjected to repeated loading and unloading. If the loads are above a certain threshold, microscopic cracks will begin to form at the stress concentrators such as the surface, persistent slip bands (PSBs), and grain interfaces.[1] Eventually a crack will reach a critical size, the crack will propagate suddenly, and the structure will fracture. The shape of the structure will significantly affect the fatigue life; square holes or sharp corners will lead to elevated local stresses where fatigue cracks can initiate. Round holes and smooth transitions or fillets will therefore increase the fatigue strength of the structure.
Here read wikipedia...
>>14083249
Plasticity and fatigue go hand in hand. You can't have one without the other. He's right that an aluminum spring, while not past it's point of deformation will lose tension over time in comparison to steel.
>>14083271
You can have a fatigue failure without plastic deformation. I was confusing the two and anon was just being an ass about it.
>>14083292
Hey man I wasn't trying to be. I apologize.
Are you people retarded? He didn't confuse plastic deformation with fatigue he confused plastic deformation with elastic deformation. you can't have fatigue without deformation it's fucking impossible.
>>14082649
The cab and bed are mounted to the rails with rubber bushings. They aren't experiencing any "stress"
>>14083345
Sure you can
>>14083476
>The cab and bed are mounted to the rails with rubber bushings. They aren't experiencing any "stress"
>>14083501
I've been in rusted out longbed trucks where the rails are stressed to the extreme, the bed and cab planes not far from perpendicular to each other. There's not enough stress that you claim to affect the integrity of the aluminum.
>>14082962
My first house cost $38,000.
Wasn't a foreclosure or anything, just a 900 square foot single level on a half lot (1/8th acre, ~6000 square foot lot).
I clear 500 a month renting it out after paying a property management company to do the landscaping and handyman shit. I obviously bought it a while back, but it's still taxed at under $50k.
>>14083964
What does the property management company cost?
>>14082739
Yes, imagine all the cars we would lose if people didn't take care of them
oh wait
>>14082626
The f150 is just about the worst car ford makes anyway, why would you get one instead of a ranger?
>>14082709
Who honestly gives a fuck at this point besides Grammar Nazis?
>>14084140
They are both correct, Mericans and Leafs spell it and pronounce it Aluminum where as the rest of the world spells it and pronounces it Aluminium
>>14084139
Because that isn't sold in the United States, stupid.
>>14084188
>>14084139
yeah you fucking dumb asshole, fuck you.
>>14084188
>>14084211
>Cucked
Why is pretty much the best 4x4 ford has ever built not available in America?
>>14084296
Not like you can afford noe, so don't feel superior.
>>14082856
If that's the case, the insurance rates will soon reflect it and the market will self-correct.
Problem solved.
>>14083059
Every time I get on an airplane, I look up at the little plaque on the doorframe with the manufacture date.
Only very recently have I stopped seeing dates in the 1970's.
>>14084456
Going to need a citation on that.
>>14084330
I could have bought one but the D max was much nicer to drive and it is cheaper to modify them for offroad, in saying that i cant see me ever taking it on tracks it would need more lift for that would be getting into "i need a winch to drag me up this hill" territory.
>>14084487
Nevermind, ignore me... I was remembering weights from the last generation chebby.
>>14084486
That's because airplanes don't have expiration dates.
>>14084558
Maybe in North Korea they don't but in modern countries they have to be registered as an antique and certified by a trained flight engineer to be given the ok to fly.
Generally planes are taken out of service after around 40 years because that is when buying a new plane becomes cheaper than maintaining one.
>>14084598
That's not an expiration date.
>>14084607
It kinda is its just varied by like 20 years lol. Hard to say one is going to break down because another did when nothing is wrong with the one you are talking about kinda thing.
>>14084607
In any case an expiration date is not a date when food goes off an is not to be eaten, that is just the recommended date you throw it out so that you go back and buy more food.
Meat is generally more tender the older it is and it is not off until it smells off.
>>14084620
It's kind of not. He thinks they can't fly after a set period of time because they're made of aluminum. That's not true.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hA2IHa1neE
>>14084627
What the fuck stupid tangent is this?
>>14084296
>Why is pretty much the best 4x4 ford has ever built not available in America?
ha
>>14084636
Idk you guys were not talking about cars so i thought i would step in and help.
>>14084628
Oh well that is completely wrong, Aluminium does not degrade over time lol. they are probably ripping planes apart to build new ones because it is cheaper to recycle Aluminium than it is to get new Aluminium.
>>14084656
Take the owner-added bullshit off and that would be really cool
>>14082649
you are an idiot.
>>14082670
>>14082626
Just jacking off the ALCOA Jew. gg ford
>>14082792
>I think my opinions are facts
>>14082856
I'll need some proof of these claims
>>14083973
They take 15% off the top when they collect the rent for me.
On this house that means that they cost me 150. Then there's insurance, which is separate, and the property taxes.
Yeah, I could make more running it myself, maybe, but fuck, it's basically free money since I don't have to do anything but sign my name on the contract, and the liability is completely consumed by my LLC and insurance.
And 500 a month for nothing is way better than what I'd clear selling the house (and paying for appraisal, the Realtor's cut, taxes, etc). If I rent the house for 4 years, I'll collect more income than selling it would clear me, unless I immediately reinvested everything to avoid taxes, but this way I get to keep the equity and actually use the money.
>>14084671
Pressurized aluminum airframes have a lifespan measured in take-offs and landings, because they fatigue from expanding under pressure.
There are maintenance methods that can be used to extend this lifespan, but they are difficult and expensive, necessitating taking the aircraft out of service to perform a teardown to complete.
>>14085030
I agree. Renting out owned properties seems better than selling them since it's basically bubble proof income vs buying and selling. Not as much money, but essentially free money.
>>14083262
>quoting wikipedia
>>14084671
I make shitty aluminum parts for Boeing (+/- .030, 2°) and I'm still making new parts of PCMs written in the early 60s.
>stress fatigue
>supporting a supercharged marine v12 under 5 gs
