Why do you losers think a rotary engine is bad. Ok sitting here thinking and I can't see why it would be bad.
Just drive it nicely in residential areas and wind it out on freeways. Give it a chance to rev when downshifting. If you actually downshift like a real man.
>>14072053
/o/ is mad its better than their pushrod heavyweight
Because any engine where a rebuild is considered 'routine maintenance' is inherently terrible.
im a gigantic rotaryfaggot and rotaries are shit for typical commuting duties. unless youre a masochist. just a headache t,bh
and honestly thats the only reason /o/ has to shit on it because they're all point a to point b faggots in econocars.
>>14072059
/Thread
>>14072059
>any engine where a rebuild is considered 'routine maintenance' is inherently terrible
so the 2-stroke petrol engine is inherently terrible?
>>14072059
i guess dirt bikes are terrible then =(
>>14072075
2 stroke piston engines will run forever bro what are u talking about.
>>14072083
>>14072083
>muh 50 hour piston rings
>>14072053
It's really high maintenance and most people don't know how to take care of them
>>14072059
kek
>>14072059
I've always wondered this... would a vehicle with a dorito be suitable for a first car, or should I just buy a 4 cylinder shitbox like everyone else?
>>14072059
But it isnt routine maintenance. Thats just an /o/ meme
rotary thread??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcqLr6qp-9k
>>14072053
Thirsty and requires the same amount of attention and maintenance as a small child.
With that said I'd take the dorito over a kid. Out of the two it's a better investment.
>>14072099
>high maintenance
What's high maintenance about it?
>>14072255
Regular oil changes and premixing are considered high maintenance by casuals.
>>14072268
>Not changing your oil every 15,000 miles.
Pfft. Shit engine obv.
>>14072268
Living in the land of delusion?
Don't try to avoid the topic of
APEX SEALS
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NO TORQUE
>>14072308
oh look something that most likely wont be a problem on a well cared for engine for at least 20 years
>>14072318
>won't be a problem in a well-cared engine for at least 20 years.
Yeah, because you'll have given up with the constant rebuilds, gone out and gotten a not-shit car, then come back 20 years later and need to deal with the apex seals again.
-0/10 try harder weeb.
Wankel rotaries are quite touchy engines if they don't get regular preventative maintenance. Ironically they don't perform as well under street as they do in performance settings. Not efficient at all idling in city traffic or being limited to 3k-4k revs.
The issues right now
>gas consumption to power produced is terrible
>inherently cannibalizes own oil to lube rotor housings
>apex will eventually wear out and cause loss in compression.
>like to flood if stop/started too quickly without warming up
>inherently produce lots of heat, issues are exacerbated if cooling system isn't 100%
>rebuilds are common at 80k if you don't use two-stroke premix at every fill up
Whats great about them
>power/weight ratio is superior
>not difficult to push a lot of power out with turbocharging or adding more rotors
>compact size allows for near 50/50 distribution
>almost linear power band, peak power at peak rpm
>little parts to go wrong or break inside
>easy as fuck to take apart and repair/replace parts
>catastrophic failure is almost impossible, only so much that can go wrong
>love to rev all day, pretty much what their built for
>>14072336
lol that ass hurt
waah waah rotary goes bang after 200,000 miles. meanwhile gm v8s go bang within single, double and triple digits
>>14072346
>Turdo
>>14072356
>Naturally Asspirated
>>14072362
>naturally assraping your turdo-discharger
>>14072336
why do you piston nerds try to comment on rotary shit that you don't even have in slightest clue on. Fuck off already.
>>14072379
>t. no car
>>14072395
>i'll just insult him by saying he doesn't have a car
you can leave now.
>>14072318
>wont be a problem on a well cared for engine
Assuming it was maintained properly. The RX-7 and RX-8 are no longer in production, and buying one now means buying one used.
How many normies bought them without knowing how to dorito? Never taken redlined or even taken above 6k rpm, oil never changed, treated like a Corolla because the previous owner bought it just for looks.
>>14072437
spend 2k and enjoy 20 year+ engine =)
>How many normies bought them without knowing how to dorito?
this is what compression tests are for. and proper interrogation of the owner
>>14072437
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNsjQCBPUe0
My favourite resto-mod ever.
>>14072444
>spend 2k
I wish. Prices in Australia are fucked.
For now I've relegated my dreams of importing and owning a Cosmo to years down the track when I've got the money to fix it up and keep it fueled.
>>14072437
If you look hard enough you can find pretty good examples that have been taken care of.
With RX-8 prices so low, I don't think it would be impossible to buy one and have it rebuilt without not break the bank.
>>14072472
*without breaking the bank
>>14072469
around 2k is pretty average price for a shop to rebuild an na rotary in aus.
Two Words.
Apex Seals.
Srs. If you cant drive it and beat on it like your ex wife what's the point.
I'm convinced 95% of the rotards on this board are nocars
i think theres like 5 legitimate rotary owners
>>14072198
Is there anyway I can have this in America?
I mean... It's beautiful...
>>14072602
you can drive it and beat on it like your ex wife
its driving like a faggot that hurts them
>wrx explodes as soon as you go into boy racer mode
could be worse
DORITOS
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>>14072618
im confirmed all non rotary fags have owned a vehicle
>huur muh 60k rebuilds muh super hard maintenance
>>14072630
>drive rotary hard
>get 4mpg
>overheats like crazy
>torqueless under 5k
>fun
>>14072671
Mine never blew up. Beat on it daily and hit triple digits regularly. Never had issues. Just ate lotsa tires.
>>14072059
all racing engines are inherently terrible then
reminder
>>14072469
> stranded
> only needs apex seals
i dont see how only the apex seals would be gone
and if they're just worn out, you can still run on lower compression to get home
>>14072602
but you can beat on rotaries all day
literally rev the piss out of them all day long and they'll come back for more
>>14072695
>beat on it daily
That's probably why it survived in all honesty
>>14073237
>Racing
>Daily Driving
You sure are some kind of retard.
>>14073240
lol
>>14075495
Those numbers aren't even close to correct you fat fuck.
>>14072671
Rotaries are notorious for making the same amount of torque regardless of RPM. It's why people love to make them rev to the moon.
>>14075495
That's no where near correct
>replying to a tripfag
Damnit
>>14075502
and you STILL replied.
>>14075495
>buttmad amerifat
color me surprised
>>14075502
ignore the fat faggot, he thinks the rb26 is a 4 cylinder
>>14075519
>>14075532
>rotary engine le mans wins
>1
>chebby pushrod v8 le mans wins
>ZERO
communism>capitalism
>>14075536
>le
Back to reddit you go.
>>14075532
Rotaries aren't a theory though...
>>14075508
That clearly says mustang dyno at the top faggot
>>14075557
must be a typo because mustangs cant rev
>>14075532
stay mad
http://www.autoevolution.com/news/corvette-owners-file-class-action-lawsuit-suing-gm-over-faulty-ls7-engines-101075.html
>>14075543
Kekness
>>14072053
the engine itself is not bad, its a very nice concept.
how it is applied and used IS.
Try to daily and treat a rotary powered car like a regular shitbox. You know, cold start it, idle for 20 seconds, put it in gear and drive off 2 miles down the road following a school bus in start stop traffic with slow acceleration. Then turn it off. Now do this again in 8 hours.
This is why they originally had thousands of them returned.
>>14075620
>cold start it, idle for 20 seconds, put it in gear and drive off 2 miles down the road following a school bus in start stop traffic with slow acceleration. Then turn it off. Now do this again in 8 hours.
I did this for 7 years without issue
>>14075629
you either live in a hot region that never dips below 40 or a liar.
>>14075620
>This is why they originally had thousands of them returned.
Mazda rotaries were known for their incredible reliability until the FD RX-7. After that, RX-7 memeing melded with Ro80 memeing until NSU was forgotten completely and the Ro80 hate was attributed to early Mazdas.
>>14072053
Owner.
Long story short. It's fun to drive, but the Mazda incarnation is a 40 year old design at its core and does show it. It really is a 1973 engine tuned to double its naturally aspirated horsepower.
What I've found however, is that most of what /o/ says about rotaries is bollocks. Really. I've driven the RX8 like you would any other car and the only real 'rotary' drawback I've had is that it guzzles the petrol.
The one thing it doesn't tolerate is being out of tune. It needs to be kept happy. Good solid ignition, good fuel, good oil.
Half of the memetic problems come from One thing.
The RX8's Forditis - cheap ignition coils being basically the thing that ultimately caused the premature death of a lot of engines. Or fuel pumps that ae marginal on an engine that already hates being run lean.
The RX8 isgnition system is just epicly bad. The one thing a rotary needs is a good solid spark to get combustion going. And the stock coils will do it - for about fifteen thousand miles. Then they start to arc through the base to the chassis as the heat breaks down the insulation.
Usually it's the coils for the trailing plugs that go as these are under the highest load - with the trailing plugs constantly on the edge of fouling in a rich mixture. But, these are also the one's least likely to be noticed since they don't contribute much to the running of the engine - they just up the efficiency by lighting off the concentrated mixture at the apex seal.
Without the trailing plug, that rich mix makes it out into the exhaust where it promptly lights off and blowtorches the catalyst, which melts down and clogs.
The first warning for most people was an engine warning light for a P0402. By then, it was already expensive. With a clogged cat, the backpressure would rapidly cook the side-seal springs until they warped and popped the seal from its groove. It'd scrape around the chamber until it clipped the exhaust port and shattered, killing the engine.
>>14075923
This usuallly 'came out of nowhere'. Especially for people who didn't rev theirs enough to notice the lack of power.
UK and ROI cars (And only UK and ROI cars for some reason) seem to be uniquely prone to stationary gear bearing failure. Most owners in the know run thicker mineral oil in the sump and the car's happy with that.
There're things wrong with it, but they aren't hard to fix. I'm running D585 coils in mine with a dwell adjustment and it makes for a much better and more reliable car, with more poke. (Especially with no catalyst)
On the other hand, it's a fucking blast to drive. I've taken mine on racetracks in the pissings of rain and it's aquitted itself with honour - even with the ABS/TCS giving up after a lap. I've driven to building sites with a boot full of tools after the company van had to 'go elsewhere'. I've taken long cross-country trips with friends and still been friends when I got there.
It's been as solid and reliable as any other ten year old car, while offering a screaming high-rev driving experience that really isn't that common anymore. It just revs to fuck and keeps going. Smack it down two gears, stomp it on and it screams down the road.
But it's still tractable enough that it'll run top gear if you're feeling lazy. It's not that it doesn't produce a lot of torque - it's just that there's no real surge of power. It's steady and smooth.
Then it blows 2 metre-long jets of flame out the exhaust.
It also managed to be my first car, so I guess I'll be a bi of a demagogue.
>>14075536
>Snek pushrod V10 Le mans wins.
>10
Need some cream for the butthurt, weeb?
>>14075979
thanks for the reflection, anon
prospective rx8 owner here, attracted to the low price tag and "labour of love" style maintenance. got a guy getting a compression test for an rx8 i found on craigslist, owner will get back to me when he gets the results. if everything falls into place, i'll be installing the BHR ignition kit, a racing beat exhaust, and a greddy oil pan. better reliability, cooler oil, and more brap is always good, right? i've done a lot of reading on maintenance and care and i'm so fucking ready for this thing. the gf is excited, too-- she hates two-door musclecars that turn like shit (her dad is a boomer and has a shitty rustbucket challenger that gurgles and farts like a decaying whale corpse) and is excited to have a fun four-door track car.
its gonna be p good
>>14072255
Checking oil levels at every gas fill up, premixing oil and regularly topping off, revving out the engine every day.
Oh, a good majority of rebuildsare done on automatic equipped versions.
>>14075480
Pretty sure the OP didn't specify daily driving.
>>14072059
>>14072073
Then you either owned a rotary, didn't know what the fuck you were doing, and broke it, or you are simply jumping on the bandwagon of misconception that /o/ rides quite often.
>>14072624
That car is ass. I know a few people with them. They are heavys as hell. Supposed to be like a more luxurious RX7
>>14072624
Also you can import them starting next year I think. They will be 25 years old.
How do they do in -30 temperatures during a cold start? Can you put winter oil in them?
Do they warm up fast so you can heat your windshield fast?
Does cold weather help the apex seals?
>>14076790
Radiator. Not Oil Cooler. One of the reasons the EU cars tend to shit their bearings is that they have too much oil cooling. Oil flow through the eccentric shaft is restricted to on cold starts to let the engine warm faster. With thinner oils like 10W30 or 20, it can cause the bearings to fuck themselves. There's a pellet you can remove if you're rebuilding the engine that'll eliminate it.
Better radiator is worthwhile. Better ignition too. Just make sure you get the dwell times tweaked for maximum benefit.
And it's not really a labour of love. Just check shit you're supposed to check anyway on other cars and it'll be happy. Don't let problems fester. That's all it needs.
I dont think they are bad but I do think my american V8 would shit on whatever the fuck that thing in your pic is supposed to be
>>14077172
Fine. It'll swallow mineral oil happily.
Yes. Best part of the car is the fast heater.
Dunno. Might run richer for longer and be more prone to flooding itself but should still light.
>>14072053
apex seals
