What's the latest car I can with a 3800 series 2? I love this engine. It makes decent power for every day stuff, gets ok gas mileage and replacement parts are plentiful. I never want to not have this engine.
>>14068717
2005 model year Le Sabre, Park Avenue, Impala, Monte Carlo, and Bonneville.
>>>/qtddtot/
>>14068717
get an SV6 monaro
>>14068735
This. Those were the last cars to use the series 2 3800.
BTW OP, the 3800 is shit. Reliable shit but still shit.
>>14068830
finally, someone who isnt ignorant..
>>14068830
shit eats gaskets like Americans eat burgers
>>14068830
I swear this is the third time this week you've been saying the 3800 is bad and you haven't explained why any of those times.
Just stop posting. You're embarrassing yourself.
>>14069155
I've explained why multiple times. It's not my fault you never listen.
>>14069166
>listen
>words on a screen
>>14069582
>stolen recaros
>anything but a mentally ill GM shill
>>14068717
>transverse
LOL
>>14068857
I've owned 5 3800 all over 130k
>Never had to change head gaskets
>I never let my car overheat
>get good
>>14069659
series 2 or 3?
>>14069666
All series 2
>96 LeSabre
>95 Riviera
>97Gran Prix GTP
>98 Regal
Also held onto one of my friend's car for awhile before he sold it, it belonged to his dad before he passed away
>97 Park Avenue
>>14069680
Ah, the series 2 was bullet proof tho.
I was talking about the series 3 (05 lacrosse and lucerne). Could've been that i just got unlucky with the cars but w/e, my experience with that engine was a total nightmare
>>14069659
he never said anything about headgaskets. 3800's are known for eating intake manifold gaskets.
>>14068830
I want you to explain using words and not
>muh feelings
Exactly why the 3800 is shit.
I thrash the FUCK out of my 3800 and it just keeps going and going and going.
>>14069628
'no'
>>14069659
3800's rarely blow a head gasket. It's usually the intake 98% of the time.
>>14069769
GM has come out with a revised intake gasket design. Aluminum instead of plastic, so it won't fail.
It's also stupid easy to work on, I've taken my 3800 apart twice using basic hand tools.
It should only take a DIY backyard mechanic an afternoon to replace a 3800 intake gasket.
ITT: it has a poor intake gasket design that they have an improved part for and can be changed in an afternoon.
>That engine is a complete pos
3100s also have this issue.
>>14069989
This.
The 60˚ V6's have the intake gasket issue as well, Stolen Seats always shills so hard for the 60˚'s and shits all over the 3800 even though they have the same damn problem.
The new aluminum intake gaskets are fantastic and work extremely well.
My Park ave has 140k miles on it. A few small bolt on mods just to wake up the motor. I drive the shit out of that car and ive never had intake gasket or any other type of gasket issues. The only gaskets ive replaced are the vavle cover gaskets only because i was installing new rockers. The 3800 is a great motor, easy to work on, reliable as hell, mpg is decent. Yeah you won't be getting 600hp out of it. But then again, who cares? You can very very easily get over 300whp and for 99% of people that are just driving to and from work and or picking up their kids. 300+ is good enough.
>>14070118
Was a common repair when I was a light wheel tech. Super easy on transverse.
>>14070118
>pushrod sealing clusterfuck
This is why no one respects pushrod engines, because of this shit.
>>14070696
Well I disagree.
I love the 3800. It's stupid easy to work on.
Pushrod engines in general are much easier to work on because there's far less fuckery involved.
I had zero experience ripping an engine apart, and I did a cam swap, new lifters, new pushrods, headers, valve springs, gaskets, timing chain set, etc. etc. by myself just using basic hand tools.
Also I'm not sure what you're getting at by saying 'pushrod sealing clusterfuck.' The 3800 is a simple engine, it's easy to understand how it all fits together and works.
>>14070118
I never give either engine shit for gasket problems.
try again. Other anons who don't know shit will heap praise on the 3800 but then call the 60*s shit because of gasket issues the 3800 also had.
>>14069920
I respect the 3800. I have never said it was unreliable, and I recommend them to normies often because the engines just take abuse. but it's still a shit engine
>cast iron heads flow like shit, even on supercharged cars.
>heavy as shit because cast iron everything.
>actually NEEDED a supercharger t make 240 HP
The 60* V6 engines ARE better in every way.
>easier to make power from
>just as reliable
>more balanced due to 60* angle, to the point none of them need balance shafts
>aluminum heads with splayed valves stock. Splayed valves allow for a more efficient burn and more power
The 60* N/A 3900 was only .1 larger than the 3800, but made as much power as the L67 supercharged 3800.
I have enormous respect for the 3800, but it's a shit engine design for making power. The only versions that were of any notable performance all had forced induction.
>b-but just drop a pulley size
Try strapping the same supercharger to a 60* with the same size pulley and then compare faggot.
3800's needed supercharger, was designed that way.
The same way you keep talking about the newer 60* having better flowing heads, Gm went that route instead of boosting them.
Cast iron everything because stronger and cheaper. 3800's weren't designed for smaller cars.
Aftermarket heads are plentiful for the 3800. Even CNC aluminum heads. And the factory heads can be made to flow easily.
The 60* engines are not easier to make power from. I have no idea where you get that idea from but that's nonsense. Stop being so faggy.
Or would you like to compare how useless the 60* v6 is compared to an ecotec? Smaller and lighter but makes the same power?
>>14073962
>3800's needed supercharger, was designed that way.
>The same way you keep talking about the newer 60* having better flowing heads, Gm went that route instead of boosting them.
Fair enough, but there was a N/A variant that still didn't make enough power to justify the displacement.
>Cast iron everything because stronger and cheaper. 3800's weren't designed for smaller cars.
Stronger is irrelevant in this case considering 3500's and 3900's came with forged internals. Cheaper yes. It was actually cheaper for GM to make the supercharged L67 than it was to make the 3400. And of course the Buick 3.8 wasn't designed for small cars. I never said that. It was designed for land yachts of the 1960's.
>Aftermarket heads are plentiful for the 3800. Even CNC aluminum heads. And the factory heads can be made to flow easily.
But you can't get aluminum 3800 heads with splayed valves. And aftermarket heads for the 60* engines can still outflow 3800 heads, since you're bringing the aftermarket into this.
>The 60* engines are not easier to make power from. I have no idea where you get that idea from but that's nonsense. Stop being so faggy.
I never said they were easier to get power from. I said you CAN get more power from them due to their superior design The only 60* thats retardedly easy to get more power from is the LG5, which was a factory turbocharged 3.1L special snowflake variant only offered for 2 model years. Getting more power N/A from a 3800 is still harder than getting more power N/A from a 60*. Just facts.
>Or would you like to compare how useless the 60* v6 is compared to an ecotec? Smaller and lighter but makes the same power?
i'm a fan of the ecotec engines as well so you comment is pointless. I'll still to the 3800 vs 60* comparison for a few reasons, the biggest of which is both are pushrod V6 engines, and both have similar displacements.
>The 60* V6 engines ARE better in every way.
>easier to make power from
>just as reliable
>more balanced due to 60* angle, to the point none of them need balance shafts
>aluminum heads with splayed valves stock. Splayed valves allow for a more efficient burn and more power.
Stop back peddling you lil faggot. You said they were easier to make power from.
There's alot more to head flow than splayed valves.
Forged internals don't mean shit if the block itself can't handle the load. Stock bottom end on a l67 (still a 3800 design) can handle 500 hp. Whats the max on your 60* v6s? The same or less.
Aftermarket matters in this discussion since there is no aftermarket for your wonder engine.
But this discussion is over anyway. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. (The LG5, really? lol) Your answers and reasoning show that. Anyone who has been reading will see that as well.
>>14068717
that timing belt looks like a fucking broken slinky
>tfw my 3800 doesn't have a supercharger
If my car wasn't in far better shape than most examples I'd just sell it and buy a GTP.
>>14076531
I disabled the balance shaft in my 3800.
+5 HP yo.
>>14076919
Those aren't timing belts. The 3800 uses an internal timing chain.
One of those belts is the serpentine belt, the other is the supercharger drive belt.
>>14076531
>Forged internals don't mean shit if the block itself can't handle the load.
Except the 60* engines use iron blocks with almuminum heads.
>There's alot more to head flow than splayed valves.
Again. i said for a more efficient burn, not for flow.
>Aftermarket matters in this discussion since there is no aftermarket for your wonder engine.
Oh Really? You haven't looked then.
http://www.milzymotorsports.com
http://www.wot-tech.com
http://www.tcemotorsports.com/index.php
http://www.ftpp.net/V6Main.htm
http://60degreev6.com/
http://www.fullthrottlev6.com/forums/index.php
Do research before spewing shit from your mouth. I know your head's been up your ass, but that's no reason to start spewing shit everywhere.
>>14079333
Hey! What's up! How the 3800 Fireturd?
>>14079341
It's a shame you could never get the Firebird with the L67. Would have been a nice alternative to the V8 at the time, though it would have ruined the novelty of the GTP I guess.
Does it even fit in one? Have you looked into swapping a Gen V on there?
>>14068717
It's a piece of shit infact if im not mistaken there are multiple recalls out on it right now
>>14076919
>timing belt
Go to bed.
>>14079368
3800 Fireturd has been sitting in a barn for winter storage for about two months now.
>>14079375
You CAN do it, however it is a LOT of work and requires custom fab for a few parts, then you have to perform witchcraft and sorcery to get the computer to work with the supercharger.
>>14079375
>Does it even fit in one?
It does, but not every well. You need to modify the supercharged housing or modify the firewall
>>14070118
>gulf themed intake
>>14079396
>then you have to perform witchcraft and sorcery to get the computer to work with the supercharger.
>>14079396
>>14079399
Jesus fuck that is a tight fit. Would probably just be better to throw an LS1 in there instead.
Now forgive me for sounding ignorant...but wouldn't the PCM from a L67 powered car work just fine? I understand the tranny is different but if you have a 6 speed shouldn't that work fine?
I don't know much about tuning so I have no idea
>>14079420
Yeah the problem (as I understand) that an L67 computer wouldn't work is because the transmission is different.
If you had a five speed it MIGHT be okay, an automatic doesn't work. Don't hold me to this though, I'm not 100% sure.
I don't think the W-body L67 PCM would talk to or control a 4L60E F-body.
Like I said, I'm not sure.
Here's a different F-body with an L67.
>>14079450
Is there a reason there is so much fucking space in front? You could comfortably fit small children in that space
>>14079460
Because V6. The V8 engine's LS1 cars use more of that space.
>>14079450
I'm always amazed how much space the L67 takes up in the F-body. I looked into the conversion for my stepmother's 5 speed V6 '99 Fireturd.
>>14079460
The bay was built to fit the larger LT1 and LS1 engine.
The V6 actually sits almost all the way behind the centerline of the front wheels. Good for dat handling.
>>14079470
I'd love to do an L67 into my car.
I'm just being honest with myself about it though, I don't have the fab skills or PCM tuning skills at the moment.
I'm going to redo some parts of my exhaust, get to try out my new welder I bought. Looking forward to learning how to do that.
Already used the welder last month on a friend old Ford, had to weld some things to his rad cradle.
I do want to buy HP Tuners and start messing around with it possibly in the spring. I've been scrolling through the HP Tuners forum trying to learn a few things here and there.
>>14079504
Have you looked into mufflers at all for your 3800?I was looking at some for my GTP since they are nowhere near as expensive as I thought they were going to be. Was thinking Flowmaster 40s or something close
>>14079504
sounds like a plan.
If I may make a suggestion? When you're ready to do the L67 conversion, import an Eaton M62 housing off a Holden Commodore in Australia. Should help immensely
>>14072324
>I recommend them to normies often because the engines just take abuse. but it's still a shit engine.
It hurts, but you're right. Great motor for normies to start wrenching on, but man... I wish it were just a bit better.
Also wish it weren't partnered to the 4T65E.
>>14079515
I have Pacesetter headers, full 3.0 inch exhaust to an edelbrock SDT muffler.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heXlebYvDvE
>>14079517
I don't think I could ever L67 my Firebird. It's my first car and the body is way way to nice to start hacking away at the firewall. I was thinking I could find another cheap 3800 Camaro to hack up into a racecar or something.
>>14079535
>dat idle
>>14079535
Would it be possible to turbo it with regal t type parts?
>>14080195
Nope.the 3800 series 2 doesn't interchange anything withe the series 1, nevermind the older pre-series 1 Buick 3.8 the T-types used
