I feel like Honda, Toyota and Nissan have lost their souls and their cars lack emotion and that ability to make you feel good and put a smile on your face.
tl;dr
Post your favorite examples of their cars when they had a soul.
Pic related: Acura Integra Type R
Bonus points for sound/video clips
>>14054721
I have a gsr that literally gets driven once or twice a month because I need to preserve its beauty.
back when sports cars still looked like sports cars, and not amorphous blobs
The current Z just doesn't cut it.
>>14054731
heck said gsr is in a climate controlled garage across town. I waste so much money on her
>>14054731
Any pics?
I need to find my dream car that I can look forward to owning and taking out on the weekends for therapy.
>>14054739
It's not wasted anon, it's an investment.
The new civic type r is now turbo. It's blasphemous I tell you!
The trend is now small displacement, low revving turbo engines. Fuck those C.A.F.E. bullshit fuel economy requirements. Let the consumers determine that.
>>14054734
Agreed. They had charm and character. Now they're ANGRY AND AGGRESSIVE BLOBS.
I miss my Integra
>>14054780
I've never known the joy of revving out either a vtec motor or a dorito.
I've been in vtec cars that revved out but never have I known the ecstasy of driving one. And I fear I never will.
>>14054751
10/10 supra
I miss driving my old Z34.
I miss the exhaust note of that 7000 RPM V6 screamer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3RNbq4j66A
>>14054721
I notice cars are less comfy
no one speaks fondly of any car made past the 90s
>>14054751
Fucking hawt.
>>14054861
>no one speaks fondly of any car made past the 90s
I do... not as many, but I do speak fondly of newer vehicles. Many newer cars have forgotten how to make a car you love like a family member instead of an appliance.
>>14054877
THIS
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I'm actually agreeing with a tripfag
>>14054721
>cars
>>14054888
Nice trips but yes, cars.
I love my bike but I'm focusing on cars atm.
>>14054721
How do you determine whether a car has a "soul" or not? What is it about the way a modern car drives that makes it soulless compared to how an older one does?
>>14054877
I own a 2005 Mustang GT that I bought new, and I love it to the point that I doubt I'll ever sell it.
Sure it's not perfect. It could handle better, the interior could have been made better. But I have a blast working on it, I think it looks great without the excessive curviness of the later models. It's something I genuinely enjoy owning and driving to the point that the car will probably be with me in time for me to laugh at my son when he asks to drive it.
>>14054877
its just that even the most basic old car is a nice place to be
all the materials and surfaces are much more pleasant
>>14054912
It's not really something you can quantify or tell by looking at a spec sheet.
It's a combination of factors that all come together in just the right way.
I'm a bit tired so my brain is not working the best right now. If anyone here can explain and put into words this concept, please, by all means do.
>>14054973
I believe you, it's just that I've only driven generic FF sedans, modern SUV appliances, and working vehicles up to this point and I haven't driven a "car with spirit" to compare against them.
>>14054912
to me its intent
when you look at a Toyota camry what does it tell you
is there anything about it that interests you
would you want to learn more about it
>hated by many (ie. non-owners)
>loved by the rest
>happy little shitbox that doesn't pretend it's anything else
>countless people who bought it out of necessity and fell in love with it
>reliable engines, one of them is used in today's cars (D4F)
>1.4T swap sleeper
>spacious
>comfortable
>can sleep in it
I don't know your definition of soul and spirit but this one definitely puts a smile on my face
>>14054912
>>14054973
>>14054986
I have a theory on this, tell me what you think.
Modern technology has come a key component in every facet of our everyday lives. Technology which once only existed on computers spread to our phones, and from there, they spread everywhere. My computer, my laptop, my phone, my touchscreen fridge/oven/etc, I'm surrounded by it all day. I'm probably spending more of my life looking at a screen than anything else.
All this technology has become a part of our vehicles too. Getting into your new car isn't much different than getting into your office chair in front of a computer. Everything looks and feels digital.
But if you drive an older car, devoid of any infotainment systems, screens, etc, it stands out from the rest of your day. You're not operating another computer, you're in something else entirely. That's why they feel special.
>Fuck da police coming straight from the underground.
>>14055023
giant steering wheel
heavy as fuck clutch
box of coals gearbox
every control has something like a slight amount of gear lash
that is one aspect yes but I think over all it is that cars are taken for granted and no longer a luxury item
>>14054997
It may be a meme car but it's a meme car for a reason.
Yes anon, that's an example of soul.
>>14055023
This and the fact that you're in control. There's no computer in between you and the controls. It's pure.
I hope this thread stays alive for a while, it's giving me good feels. That and ideas for cars to save up for and buy.
>>14054721
>drive a 2012 civic si
>feel good every time i rev it up
>still puts a smile on my face whenever that vtec kicks in
>probably the best car i'v ever owned
>definitely has a soul
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRKNeKxsB3c
>>14055032
>a young nigga got it bad cuz im brown
>>14055097
milano x1 turbo master race
http://en.autowp.ru/nissan/pulsar/n12/pictures/buwt46/
>>14055154
jesus farrrrk
>M-MUH FEELS
Get with the times, grandpa
>>14054916
>>14054932
My theory on it is that people used to just try to make the best car they could given the conditions they needed to meet. It gave just about every car from the basest Corolla to the best Mustang a sense of personality.
But somewhere along the line, people bitched about any automotive feedback. They didn't want a metal and plastic family member. They didn't understand what to do with the information from automotive feedback. They wanted mobile sensory deprivation tanks. And now they want sensory deprivation tanks that connect to your phone.
This led to only sports cars or cars of a sporty nature (EG: Ford Mustang, Honda Civic Si, Chevy Cobalt SS, etc) having any sense of a personality and feedback. Which is what (I think) has led /o/ to claim that
>hurr durr RWD is the only way to have fun
>>14055208
Go die in a fire Alphonse.
>>14055215
everything is trying ot be a luxo barge now
>>14054721
>japanese cars
>ever having a soul
kek, fuck off weeb
>>14054734
>>14054777
Reminder. Modern cars are aggressive blobs that I don't really like either, but every generation looks similar within itself. What do you think people who grew up in the 60s thought about 80s, everything-an-edgy-wedge, cars? Why do you like them now when you probably didn't give them a second glance as a kid and lusted for the Diablo?
I have an AE86 and love it, but I'm not kidding myself that it isn't a nostalgic bias. If I was 10 right now, I'd end up with nostalgia for the FRS in my 20s.
Everything is shit now, everything is great in retrospect. Shit has never changed. The majority of people have always wanted simple transportation with features that make it easier and less involved to drive. Bonus points for utility and showing off to your neighbors.
>>14054997
No casual driver in Germany gave a shit about those when I was there. They were a good purchase but they weren't some fire and soul shit. /o/ likes them because of the face and then justifies it further by realizing that, oh shit, a bland ass car can actually be fun and reliable too when you aren't comparing it to a fucking GTR!
>>14054768
Consumers are fucking stupid. And the government. We just don't know what we want.
>>14055215
I like your theory.
I always feel better when I can drive with my windows down because I feel more in tune with everything as one more of my sense's is engaged. Hearing things is more impactful on an experience than anon's realize.
>>14054794
Mazda has teased a new rx-car, so you b might be eating out some Doritos in your near future.
>>14054737
I'm so glad someone said this. I fucking hate the new Zs.
The EM2 civic.
That glorious road feel and cornering capabilities stock.
>>14055208
>tfw car is so ugly, I have give it a dykes name
>tfw rx7, nsx profiles lost within the mystery of time
>lost their souls
>lack emotion
Poorfags please die.
>>14055379
what are these two?
>always loved type r integras
>always wanted to buy one
>always in my price range, low miles, manual
>never do it because FF and people will think I'm a riceburner
I hate living for others' opinions.
What car with 「SOUL」makes the best DD?
I'm looking up a 944 that looks like it's in great condition and the timing belt changed just a few miles ago. But I'm afraid it's not the most sane of DD's out there.
I'd go for an MR2 but I need 4 seats.
>>14055983
Silvia S12 and Mitsubishi Starion.
>>14056010
>Mitsubishi Starion
That looks sick, the only one I've found locally has a broken cylinder head
What are thoughts of Toyota Matrix?
>>14056089
It's literally a Toyota Corolla hatchback. so pretty damned reliable.
Here's a tip on the Matrix. if you want a Matrix, but don't want the "Toyota reliability" tax, get the Pontiac Vibe. Same car, different styling, no Toyota tax.
And the Matrix itself was American market only. The Vibe was actually sold in Japan as the Toyota Voltz.
>>14056036
par for the course.
For a sports car bargain, no one really wants the Nissan S12's (known in America as the 200SX). They're rare but goddamn they are cheap since no one wants them. They have no aftermarket support but you can cannibalize aftermarket support of the S13 and Z32 to actually make it halfway decent.
>>14056004
>considering an old cheap porsche for a daily
do it, no really 100% best idea totally reliable nothing can go wrong here
>>14055379
>implying I ever gave a shit about exotics
Smfh
>>14056004
Also, what car is this?
>>14056128
That's why I'm trying to talk myself out of it.
My mechanic assures me he won't let me buy it if there's the slightest problem with it and he'll tear that shit appart.
But I'm sure it's not the best option.
>>14056103
>They have no aftermarket support
I'm not interested in aftermarket support, I'm more interested in running stock and making the most of it.
>>14056146
>>14056146
'89-'94 Mazda 323F BG
>>14054737
It really doesn't, its depressing seeing one on the road, just let the car die in peace
>>14056228
370z looks like a 350z had a stroke.
>>14056163
They're reliable and decent fun to drive. Nissan didn't start going to shit until 2002.
Modern BMWs feel empty and lifeless. Just look at this e30 next to that generic looking shit. The e46 and e39 were the last BMWs with a soul.
>>14056605
they got rid of the round headlights is why
same thing happened to the mustang, now the front end looks terrible
>>14055379
I'D FUCKING KILL FOR ANY OF THOSE CARS
>>14056981
BECAUSE THEY ARE FAST
AND FAST MEANS ANNGRY
Damn it Audi, why did you get rid of the straight-five in all but a few models?
>>14057058
Has anyone here ever had experience with one of these?
I love this car too, but know absolutely nothing about it
>>14057069
I know a guy who owns one in my town. Still a very quick car despite its age. Still prefer the 037
>>14055287
They don't have souls. You put your own soul into them, as if it were a device meant to become an extension of your body. The Japanese car and driver become one.
Whereas with European and the good American cars, it's like we are riders rather than drivers, alternating between commanding the car and taming it as to make it driveable.
Both makes have their own charm. Therefore, go fuck yourself.
>>14055649
you know civics only get better as you get older right?
6th was the last really good gen.
>>14055649
>tfw get hand me down em2 ex civic
>got it from my brother who never took care of the thing.
I only have one problem with the thing. The interior is a mess of inconsistent colours. Anyone know how to make this look good/even?
>>14054737
God, those truly were a classically beautiful car.
>>14055590
>Hearing things is more impactful on an experience than anon's realize.
This, and not just for enjoyment but for diagnostic purposes too.
I've rolled down my windows, turned off my stereo and listened to my car when something felt different. I'm so in tune with my car. feelsgoodman
gc8 wrx sti
>>14056004
>>14056128
944 is one of the few that doesn't shit itself. Obviously same with every car, pick a good one to start.
Miata. Drive one before you die - you owe it to yourself.
>>14059133
The only miatas worth driving are the ones with 10 or more grand dumped into them. Otherwise they're slow as shit
>>14057317
Then why is Ep3 one of the fastest chassis honda ever made?
>>14059224
The Ep3 Civic is the worst fucking Si possible.
Unless its the very rare Type R model it doesnt even have real Vtec. It has the same Vtec has on a mom Accord.
>>14059322
You can't read can you, I said chassis and you can swap in any K series without modification
>>14054820
>modded
>10/10
Please leave /o/ now. Get the fuck out
>>14059212
You obviously don't get the point of the Miata.
It's about handling not speed.
And it's that lack of super sanic speeds that you learn a lot from
>>14059322
What's fake vtec? I'm confused here.
>>14059212
3/10 you tried
>>14059565
Not going to spoon feed it to you. Please Google "why the USDM EP3 isn't real VTEC"
>>14059224
You didn't say anything about speed, but the older ones have better suspension by far.
>>14059565
Only has vtec on the intake camshaft.
You don't get the vtec 'kick' or sound and it has significantly less power output than dohc vtec.
>>14054734
>implying modern sports cars arnt beautiful
>cars w/ soul & spirit
plebs GTFO
>>14059809
that's like the only modern sports car though
>>14057240
>as if it were a device meant to become an extension of your body
It isn't. It's just a fucking soulless appliance.
Suppress your weeb shit, please.
>>14059423
>new wheels and paint
>modded
>>14054721
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BACxmVx74OI
>tfw no supra
>>14055023
Dunno, there's still a huge difference between a new Miata (infotainment and all) and a Corolla.
>>14056089
Practical but dull to drive. Get a Mazda3 instead.
>trdl
>One line of text
>>14055208
Think about this for a sec. It's fast. VERY fast and not even that expensive. It's so fast that it's no fun without either completely disregarding the law or driving on a track. If you actually push it hard, the tires are done for after just a couple of laps and a new pop costs 2k. Meanwhile the Miatafag is having fun everywhere and getting new set of sticky tires every couple of season for not even 300 bucks.
>>14057069
I have heard that the fender flares are super rare and prone to damage
>>14059913
worst korea to the rescue
>>14060208
>projecting your soullessness onto others because you can't do anything else to make yourself feel better
>>14055154
>>14055379
>confession:
>I'm not crazy about wedges in general
>some are nice though
>red isn't the best car color either
>>14059423
I'm sorry br/o/, but I have to disagree. Stock Mk4 Supras are ugly, unlike the the Mk3s. And this is coming from someone who loves 90s Japanese sports bars of soap.
I have to say, this is one of the rare instances where I think a car looks much better without the wing. (Usually I'd say an even bigger one than stock is best to my eye, but not for this supra.) From the side profile it looks pretty good (paint a tad too brown), but the front (and especially the rear) fascia still bother me on this car.
>>14061162
>take BRZ's suspension, exterior looks, chassis
>add in Genesis 6 cylinder
>preserve shared price point
NAILED IT
>>14062640
>/o/tisum: the thread
>>14059913
What about Genesis coupe, 370z and ecoboost mustang?
>>14062811
>What about Chintzy, Pigfat and EcoBoom Can'tturn?
>>14062649
K20 I think would spice it up.
>>14062664
And yet, here you are.
Mine.
I know it's not as fast as others. Or as reliable. Or as practical. Or as comfortable. at the end of the day, it's a 3-door DERV with a bit of leather and dials written in Italian.
But, damn, I fucking love this thing.
>>14054751
what happened to that poor supra
>>14063002
stock with nice wheels and no wing
looks good faggot
>>14063011
looks like someone cut the roof
or all supras really look like that?
![1987_buick_grand_national-pic-44509[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/7puGPmZ.jpg "1987_buick_grand_national-pic-44509[1].jpg")
GM had their shit together when they made this
>>14063022
They had a targa top option instead of a separate convertible body style.
>>14054985
A car with a soul is not always good. I have driven a TT z32 with bald rear tires before. That is a car that truly desires with all of its soul, to die and take you with it.
>>14063318
>bald rear tires
I wouldn't even dare to enter such a car.
>>14056605
Dear God, I fucking hate modern BMWs. They've become such over-priced, over-engineered pieces of shit. The E30 is GOAT.
>>14063439
And they're planning to make things even better.
>>14063439
>overpriced
hardly. a base one is 32k.
bmw is and always has been the best badge for dollar of the 5 major german manufactures.
>>14063104
Buick actually told gm to fuck off when they built the gn. I love how a grandpa car put correvettefags on suicide watch.
![hyundai-crate-engine-sema-2013_100445206_m[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/oKi8xVS.jpg "hyundai-crate-engine-sema-2013_100445206_m[1].jpg")
>>14062649
Fun fact: they sell the 3.8 Lambda V6 as a crate engine. You could actually do that if you wanted.
![zo6-oil-fox[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/NWaVabx.jpg "zo6-oil-fox[1].jpg")
>>14063104
Whereas now, they simply can't compete.
>>14063889
>>14063318
Yeah I did that with the tires that were on the car when I bought it, gunned it around a turn at work and slid a lot more then I thought. Other then that though the Z32s handle very well.
No snek?The most murderous soul of all? Seriously?
>>14063842
It was like the last hurrah of that old school in house rivalry. They'd finally beaten Oldsmobile down like a battered housewife over the diesel engine fiasco and the failed turbo car (they adopted it too soon it was a good idea, the proof is in the Grand National) and Buick was all that was left of that good-natured internal competition that actually drove innovation within GM (the bean counters were by this point demonizing that as innovation costs money). The GN's were a fond tribute to a history that 80's GM wanted to divorce itself from. The Grand Nationals were Gran Sports tributes in all the right ways that GM at large was too afraid to embrace. They were the last roar of the dinosaurs.
>>14063577
>>14055379
dumbest fucking post in the thread
>>14059133
>>14059557
i drive a 1.6 miata
el oh el should i die
>>14054721
>itt cars that are total shit, but people defend them because they have "soul and passion"
> cars with soul
pic related
>>14064359
confirmed
>>14063318
No shit it's not good, you drove it with shit tires. You are a fucking moron.
>opinion discarded
>>14063439
They're making a fwd car now...
>>14064309
Confirmed for not reading the thread
