I don't get the hype
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It seems that this car is widely lauded around here. But isn't it just a under powered, overpriced fedora machine for interior designers, hairdressers, or other poor GenXs'.
It's cheap and is one of the best corner carvers out there. It's not a straight-line car.
Now nobody else respond to this bait.
>>14042780
It merely took over where s2000 left off.
Price is pretty incredible for what it is. Next to unbelievable.
>>14042780
Not a good daily car
A very fun weekend car
Buy a Subaru Wagon and a Miata and you're set for life.
it is overhyped. all of them are.
its a good car, but theres better options for the money.
>>14043411
not really. 86 is same price.
much rather have that for the simple fact it isnt a convertible and has much more space.
>>14043431
Miata is a much more finely engineered machine. Interior quality is worlds better than the FRS, while being massively light.
The FRS is a RWD econobox. The new Miata is a fine motorcycle on 4 wheels.
>>14043419
Like what? Literally no other car in the price range handles like the ND does.
>>14042786
It's more expensive, less powerful, less practical and slower than an FR-S, unless that 0.1 second to 120 trumps lap time.
>>14043458
The miata is only 300lbs lighter, but makes 40 less hp. Their interiors are comparable.
>Miata is a much more finely engineered machine
>The new Miata is a fine motorcycle on 4 wheels.
nice memes
>>14043499
More like +400 pounds.
Simply adding more power to compensate for more weight isn't what this type of car is trying to achieve. Get a Mustang bro.
>>14043407
Not sure if you've managed to notice yet, but existence of MX-5 is entirely unaffected by a brief appearance of s2k. The market spoke loud and clear; they weren't interested in spending 20+k to get vtec in a miata.
>>14043470
the frs/brz is the most obvious choice.
>best handling stock production car on stock production tires
who cares? an frs with 225 direzza IIs will handle better.
all while making more power, having a top, having more space.
the miata needs to be faster. they should have made the base 30k and used that extra 5k to give it some actual power and make it a real roadster.
>>14043547
You realize the Miata actually has a smaller engine in most of the world (outside of North America). Power isn't the point of the car.
>>14043600
What is the point of the car? Because you can get just about any car to handle as well as one.
If I can't buy an NA, which miata is best miata?
>>14043518
The market got even more fucked up for the S2k as time marched on. There's no such thing as a clean one these days - Salvage title is pretty much the only option and it's fucking nuts how much people are willing to spend when they could be buying cars that are actually fast and don't attract tattooed, pierced, sleazy-ass slags with the herp/syph/crabs.
Corvette C5 is the only reasonable option.
>>14043458
Or you could buy a decent used sport bike and a preowned or base model new FRS. Now you have your rainy day daily driver and a nice toy for when the sun's out. And it'll be cheaper.
>>14043495
Two things this chart is missing however
1.) the miata looks better
2.) it's a roadster
I'm still not saying the miata is better though. Not as long as the duke 690 exists
>>14043665
>There's always that one guy who suggests a sports bike in place of a car
You realize driving fast in a car and riding fast on a bike are two completely different feels and skillsets
You can't replace the fun of a sports car with a bike
And you can't replace the fun of a bike with a car
>>14043710
You act like a convertible is better than a fixed top coupe
>>14043710
dude fuck convertibles
>>14043743
Then don't compare cars to motorcycles unless you're willing to make the jump.
A FRS is 85% of that feeling vs the Miata's 90-95%. And I'd rather trade the 5-10% if it means getting a roof over my head for when its shitty outside and a trunk and backseats I'll inevitably fold down to fit shit inside when I do groceries or go shopping.
Any advantage the Miata could have by being a convertible is made null because if its nice and sunny out, why even break a convertible out when I can ride my bike to work? What's the point of even having a convertible at that point?
blow me.
What's not to like about a convertible if it doesn't compromise rigidity or add weight? (which is doesn't with the Miata).
>>14043773
How did they take such a beautiful car as the Miata and make it so fucking ugly? The ass in particular is terrible.
>>14043632
Its so much easier to make more power in the aftermarket than is it to re-engineer an entire platform around weight, handling and suspension geometry.
muhhhhhh
Should I get the 2016 MX-5 next year?
I'd be trading in my DD 14 corolla with 25k miles
>>14043850
Fuck no! Corolla is the best most underrated car in the world and you want to trade it for some meme? Good luck.
>>14043767
Because all it takes is an idiot to run a stop sign and crush your leg until it needs to be amputated. I own a sport bike, but this is my biggest fear.
>>14043857
0/10
>>14043791
Rigidity is ALWAYS ALWAYS compromised with a convertible.
That means that if they had included a roof in the design, all things being the same, the fixed roof will always have the better chassis.
Does that mean that the new Miata is a wet noodle? No, of course not - but rigidity still would've been better as a 2 door coupe.
At the end of the day, neither the FRS nor the Miata are cars you buy for the numbers or benchmarks.
>>14043892
>vacuous truth
A roofed MX5 may indeed be better relative to itself as a convertible, but the ND MX5 torsional rigidity as a convertible is better relative to most other cars.
>>14043892
Have you actually driven that fucking thing? It's so goddamn rigid that if it was a coupe it would crack itself while taking corners.
I'm actually not exactly a fan of this. While i appreciate improvement in performance i kinda miss that slight wobbliness NA had.
> overpriced
of all points this is the most stupid, op. Tehy are cheap as fuck. I bought the 2l with the best configuration (except some recaros) for 27k Europoor money. If I wanted a German roadster I had to pay double to get the same features + they weigh 500kg more.
>>14043946
You have to be incredibly stupid to believe this, it would be even more stiff and rigid if it were a coupe, the top helps, that's why when you add a top to a NA or NB miata you get added stability with the body. I'm sure they had to add in extra stabilizers in the design because it's a roadster to create this feel.
>>14043993
Read my post again. I didn't say it wouldn't add rigidity.
>>14044025
>It's so goddamn rigid that if it was a coupe it would crack itself while taking corners.
are you pretending to be retarded m8?
>>14043993
I have an NA with a hard top. The hard top does not add any chassis stiffness. It's just a hunk of fiberglass. It does increase visibility and headroom quite a bit though and a couple mph of top speed from better aero.
>>14044043
Are you?
Don't read everything literally.
>>14044061
yeah i fucked up
>>14043993
Top doesn't do shit for stiffness. It's an aero component only.
SIXTEEN
WIDE EYES
anyone else here bought or ordered one here?
>>14043710
>1.) the miata looks better
Are you seriously high? The ND looks like it hit every branch when it fell out of the ugly tree.
>>14044103
Worst fucking commercial oh my god.
>>14043495
>2800lbs
>Only 200hp
>two completely unusable backseats
>Barely faster than a Miata
>Worse handling to boot
>about the same size of a sedan (double the size of even a modern miata)
Should've bought a WRX to be quite frank, lad.
>>14045642
At least the trolls are admitting which car is faster these days.
>>14045642
>>Worse handling to boot
and you'd know this, having driven both cars?
not to mention that the BRZ also comes with skiddy tires. the direzas you get with the club spec ND are pretty damn good.
the 86 is just the better sports car all around, price, value, power and practicality considered.
if you're a divorced botanist or a hairdresser the MX5 might be the car for you however.
>>14045642
>double the size of even a modern miata)
the 86 is like 7-9 inches longer than the mx5...
>>14045642
>Should've bought a WRX
WRX is not a sports car you monumental retard.
Why on earth are people still buying japanese in 2015? Get yourself a mustang son
ITT nerds talking about jap shit boxes they cant afford
>>14045696
Pretty much. I still bought one though regardless.
>>14043495
Also did they bother making it fair by using. Convertable BRZ because we'll it matters.
>>14045700
Are you a real retard or do you just speak like one
>>14043495
jesus christ, was this chart made by a 12 year old?
>Specific trim of Miata, vague FR-S/BRZ with no trim level
>Doesn't mention if purchase price is for the FR-S or BRZ
>Not to mention it's not even officially called the Miata
>TRANSMITION
>No units ANYWHERE
>Track is not listed
>No sources
>"Price as tested"
I have serious doubts this "test" ever occured
On the positive
>specs seem right, if only you had given units
>the colors of the cars are the same, at least
4/10, apply yourself
>>14045668
If you want practicality in a sports car, than you're not in the market for a sports car.
Secondly, everyone is in agreement that the Miata handles significantly and substantially better than the BRZ/FRS. Literally every side-by-side comparison between the two cars have stated that the Miata simply feels much better to drive.
Third, being one second faster than a Miata is like being slightly slower than a slug. The Miata was never meant to be a fast car, just a great one to drive. It would mean much more if it were significantly faster than the Miata and considering the FRS/BRZ being considerably bigger, you would think it would have at least some power, which it doesn't. Quite frankly, after driving a FRS/BRZ myself, I couldn't help but wonder if I was driving a commuter car. I had an existential crisis in the FRS/BRZ. Like what is the purpose of a sports car that is supposedly competing with a roadster, yet has an anemic engine, feels duller, is significantly heavier, and overall feels like a chore to drive?
The answer is, the FRS/BRZ is simply a confused car. It's the size of a grand touring car as far as sports cars go, it has the power that just barely edges out a Miata of all things, it has backseats which barely has enough space for a carton of eggs, handles like an angry ex, and just overall does nothing well enough to excel at anything. You can't call it a roadster because it doesn't handle like one. You can't call it a sports car because it has no power. You can't call it a commuter car because it has nothing to commute and is incapable of transporting anything.
I've driven both cars. There is no comparison. Unless Toyobaru decide to actually upgrade it, there's no reason to ever buy a FRS/BRZ. It's just simply a half-ass of all trades, and a master of none.
>>14045739
>>Specific trim of Miata, vague
it clearly says club you dickknuckle
>FR-S/BRZ with no trim level
86 only has one trim level far as performance is considered. in japan and australia you can get a basic version with 16'' wheels and gutted interior though.
>>Not to mention it's not even officially called the Miata
we're this desperate now are we
aaaand here's your track times
http://www.caranddriver.com/features/lightning-lap-2013-hot-cars-hot-track-hot-laps-feature-lightning-lap-2013-ll1-class-page-3
http://www.caranddriver.com/features/mazda-mx-5-miata-at-lightning-lap-2015-feature
>If you want practicality in a sports car, than you're not in the market for a sports car.
>>14045756
and who the fuck are you to tell me that?
I want to transport 4 wheels in my cars if im going to a track weekend, and I like to have extra space so I can actually fucking use it every day like you would a say, a car.
>The Miata was never meant to be a fast car,
and neither was the 86 you daft cunt. the 86 is still faster and cheaper. and
>I've driven both cars
you know you havent
stop lying its embarrasing
>>14045756
You're full of shit.
>>14045766
Alright, let me break it down for you
>Specific trim of Miata
The club trim
>vague FR-S/BRZ with no trim level
2 cars, most consider the FR-S the base and BRZ the higher trim
You're comparing a specific trim of one car to a full range of trims
Effectively, if you had miatas on both sides it would be
>Club vs Base/Club
or for the 86
>BRZ vs FR-S/BRZ
get the problem now?
>>Not to mention it's not even officially called the Miata
>we're this desperate now are we
just busting your balls on this one, but I don't think i was that desperate considering you didn't address all of the other problems I pointed out
>>14042780
Its called market niche, but your dumbass wouldn't know that.
Honestly.. I didn't like the FRS/BRZ when it first came out. I couldn't really see what it offered, where it fit in.
But, now seeing what it's up against (basically nothing other than the miata and a bunch of wrong wheel drives) I feel like it's the best car in that price range.
The Miata is also a good car in that range. If you were leaving them both stock, sure get the Miata. but I feel like as a base for a tuner/track car, it's not as good. The FRS/BRZ is bigger, more practical, more hp, easier base engine for tuning (probably cheaper too), has a roof. If the Miata had more power it would be different, but honestly.. 150hp at the crank in 2015.. with that much compression. Why not just buy an NB.
>>14045811
>get the problem now?
no I fucking dont, because its the same goddamn car underneath marketed under different badges.
the only literal fucking difference is the front bumper, the headlights, badges and the controls for the AC.
>you didn't address all of the other problems I pointed out
like what?
I gave you your track times and your numbers, and I patentiely tried to explain that the FRS and BRZ is the same goddamn car, even down to the tires they've been supplied with for 4 years.
>>14045766
>>14045793
Funnily enough, the only people who think the FRS/BRZ are better have never driven a Miata due to it being a "car for fags and hairdressers".
Get rid of your bias and the objective truth is a pill less bitter to swallow. Despite the Miata's image, it is a great handling car and should serve as a benchmark for all roadsters. The FRS/BRZ is barely faster and just overall doesn't have the handling prowess to compete with a Miata. As a roadster, it's not even in the same ballpark of a Miata. As a sports car, it can't even compete because there is no power.
Might as well make up a completely new sub-category of cars to make yourself feel special for the FRS/BRZ to be the best of. I mean surely if you were ever to choose a FRS/BRZ over the Miata, obviously you are objectively very very "special" in the rides the white short bus definition of the term.
>>14045851
>FRS/BRZ are better have never driven a Miata
if you were to completely ignore the fact that 99% of 86 owners have owned miatas in the past then ok. my first car was a NB.
>The FRS/BRZ is barely faster and just overall doesn't have the handling prowess to compete with a Miata
barely faster? its 25mph faster for starters, and 2000-4500 bucks cheaper than the club trim that can barely compete with a basic FRS for 25k.
> As a sports car, it can't even compete because there is no power.
how fucking stupid are you.
>Get rid of your bias
I did, along with the mazda. then I got myself a BRZ.
>>14045851
I can't fit in the new miata. I'm only 6'3" too.
Also I hate convertibles.
Also, put 225 direzza 2's on a brz and it will handle just as good as a miata and make 50 more hp.
Sounds like you ordered a miata or something desu you're getting emotional and butthurt and using buzzwords like roadster.
>>14045851
>never driven a Miata due to it being a "car for fags and hairdressers".
and florists.
>>14043412
>Trying to replace an established /o/ meme with your own shitty version with some ugly autistic chick
Stop.
>>14045876
>of course all 86 have clearly owned a miata in the past!
Boy, that doesn't seem like a generalization at all. As for faster...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2qL9mmBW4I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLtw2z_mZ6w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wC4xAArXCTY
>>14045880
Not my fault you're an American fatso.
Also if you need $600 worth of tires to beat a Miata, than your car is just slow. Plus hauling the extra 500lbs equalizes the 50hp.
>>14045883
Nothing wrong with being a florist.
>>14045918
>Also if you need $600 worth of tires to beat a Miata, than your car is just slow.
no?
are you somehow forgetting we're talking about 25-30k sports cars, and not high end GT's and supercars?
with skiddy tires, the 86 is just as fast/faster than the ND. with the same tires the ND has, the 86 will beat it into pulp
>>14043892
>Rigidity is ALWAYS ALWAYS compromised with a convertible.
Not when it is designed from the base up as a vert and only a vert. See also the S2000.
>>14045928
So you're saying you need $600 worth of tires to even compete with a factory Miata?
Good lord, m8.
>>14045965
a ''factory'' 33000 USD miata that comes with brembos, bilstein shocks, and sticky ass direzzas on 17''. at least read up on your faggy convertible before you start sounding smart
reminder, a FRS is 25k.
>>14045965
The factory miata comes with those good tires already on it.
>>14045918
>american fatso
im 6'3 165lb lol
>>14045978
and suspension/brake upgrades.
dunno if its really worth it though. you can get much better coils than those Bilsteins the club comes with, for 1700 usd, and APR seem like a nicer choice than brembos these days anyways.
if you're buying a ND, you'll want the 2.0l and a LSD. I'd forget about the rest.
>>14045944
the s2000 would have been stiffer with a roof
>>14043710
>1.) the miata looks better
You are wrong.
>/o/ suddenly hates the Miata
>likes the FRS now
![dba4c7ee0848f8a65c5eb5d3eebbd2ac.400x400x1[2].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/YoAo268.jpg "dba4c7ee0848f8a65c5eb5d3eebbd2ac.400x400x1[2].jpg")
>arguing which car is fastest between two cars with speed nowhere in the design criteria
>>14046071
and in another 4 years they're going to like the ND, worship the BRZ and hate on some new car thats actually pretty good as well.
I havent been back here in a year almost as of today, practically nothing has changed apart from people bashing the ND instead of the 86. I'll be going again soon.
>>14046088
Please senpai, tell us what is going to replace the GTR vs Corvette shit posting that replaced the Mustang vs M3 shit posting before it
>>14046071
/o/ preffers the miata over the brz, its just some BRZ niggers mad they bought a slower, heavier cant turn car
>>14046097
>Please senpai, tell us what is going to replace the GTR vs Corvette
nothing
absolutely nothing. thats here to stay permanently
and everything is just gonna get worse once the 80-90's revival jap cars comes along. R36, BMW supra, new S2000, new wankel
its going to be awful, I advice you prepare to leave already.
>>14046105
>MUH MUH /O/ PREFERS MY CAR
shut up sperg
>>14046105
This
Nd comes along and does everything better while being lighter less powerful and not having shitty parts bin suspension and buyers remorse faggots go for anything they can to defend their shitty purchase
>>14046123
>Nd comes along and does everything better
better at being slower, more expensive and gayer?
suspension setup is also like, identical between the cars, dude.
>>14046112
the miata is faster and lighter, lets not forget its actually used in racing
enjoy your rocket bunny and stance faglord
>>14046131
>slower
except that is wrong, nigger
>suspension setup is also like, identical between the cars, dude.
not it isnt
the miata has god-tier double wihsbones and the brz has lol-tier macphersons
>>14046139
>the miata is faster and lighter
lighter yes, slower by almost 30mph and a second around most tracks
>its actually used in racing
... in a mazda cup?
>faglord
coming from a miata fangirl of all things
>>14046131
Faster around a track
Faster acceleration
Double wishbone on all corners> gimped mcphearson shit in the front to get around the pigfat boxer engine
Oh no but it's like 3k more expensive or something :((
>>14046139
lmao sad cunt
owning a 86 >>>>>>> wanking to mx5 pictures
>>14046148
>top speed
kek
>slower around a track
kek
http://www.motortrend.com/news/2016-mazda-mx-5-vs-2015-subaru-brz-comparison/
>>14046153
good thing I have an NC miata
>>14046148
Mazda cup is the largest spec series in the world
Does the toyobaru have a spec series? Or is it just taken to drift days bro by swagfags who then proceed to put it them into the tire wall?
>>14042780
I own a 1990 with a hardtop and under 55k miles
>Pic very related
Amazing car, not very fast in a straight line, but very nimble around corners. Amazing mpg, wicked sounding stock exhaust, and the overall shaky-ness of the hardtop when youre going over 70 really gets the adrenaline pumping. Will you go into outter-space, or carve that curb going sixty as your rear tires spin out from the wet pavement... Drifting purposely is 'cool', but doing it around a corner without meaning to really adds to the fear factor.
>>14046147
>the miata has god-tier double wihsbones
yes, as does the 86.
>Faster around a track
no
http://www.caranddriver.com/features/lightning-lap-2013-hot-cars-hot-track-hot-laps-feature-lightning-lap-2013-ll1-class-page-3
http://www.caranddriver.com/features/mazda-mx-5-miata-at-lightning-lap-2015-feature
>>14046170
>Does the toyobaru have a spec series
yes
is the 86 shit because it doesnt compete in the mazda cup or something
![600x600[2].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/jHt3LAJ.jpg "600x600[2].jpg")
>>14046169
>NC
>>14046169
>good thing I have an NC miata
good thing?
lol
![546b4f3f04a90_-_017mx5globalcup-lg[2].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/XWgGm0n.jpg "546b4f3f04a90_-_017mx5globalcup-lg[2].jpg")
>>14046183
nothing wrong with it family
>does the 86.
kek no
it has macpherson at the frotna nd multilink at the rear
http://www.edmunds.com/car-reviews/track-tests/2013-scion-fr-s-suspension-walkaround.html
>no
post an 86 offered by toyota faster than pic related
and no, the production version of the griffon is not faster
>>14046181
What suspension does the toyobaru have up front kek
Afaik there are only two spec series' for the toyobaru, both are exclusive to Japan and Australia no where else
Meanwhile spec miata literally biggest in the world
Must say something huh, if one car is pretty much the default wheel to wheel spec racer all across the globe and the other is well... a toyobaru
> lightning lap 2013
Please try and stay relevant??
>>14046201
meant to quote >>14046181
>>14046189
just wait until I turbo it cunt ill wreck any slowbaru on the togay
>>14046201
doesnt that thing cost 56k
>>14046202
>my circlejerk is bigger than yours!
>>14046208
> my circle jerk is bigger than yours!
Roflmao that damage control
Yes the miata is the most popular spec racer in the world and it's for a reason. Deal with it
>>14046216
its also the most popular runabout for gay couples and old women
bragging about your cute little convertible having its own league is like bragging about your mental handicap being represented in the Paralympics.
you've never participated in it, you never will, and you've never even been in the vicinity of the tracks its held at.
>>14043773
How do you fuck things up that badly
Why do they always release beautifully proportioned concepts and then put garbage into production
>>14046202
>pretty much the default wheel to wheel spec racer all across the globe
>americans really believe this
>>14046236
shhh let him believe
its all he got when women are laughing at him when he cruises his clowncar around town.
>>14046230
People who bash the miata for being a faggy gay car are usually people who..
A) Question their sexuality
B) Have never clocked a corner going 60 without steering mishaps/ bodyroll
C) Drive a VW Bug
D) All of the above.
>>14046253
people who defend their cute little miata is usually
A) gay and defensive as all hell about it
>>14046208
>doesnt that thing cost 56k
irrelevant
the 14R60 costs the same and its just a bodykit
http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1081390_toyota-gt-86-trd-griffon-concept-spawns-14r60-special-edition-forbidden-fruit#image=100484654
>>14046261
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>>14043748
You act like Miata hardtops aren't some of the cheapest things in the world.
>>14046269
what are you doing you idiot?
>>14046269
Gj fag
>>14043767
Some of us don't like bikes?
>>14046236
> American
Try again europoor
>>14046230
Whatever helps you deal with the slowbaru being worse in literally every way
> but what will random people think of me!?!?
So beta
>>14046277
he thinks he's on reddit or something prob senpai
before the miata:
>n-no the toyobaru is not gay fuck off mustang fan!
>sped d-doesnt matter, muh feels!
>muh reliability compared to the mustang!
after the miata
>t-the miata is g-gay!
>the t-toyobaru is faster (which its not), the m-miata is not more fun!
>the toyotbaru is unreliable because its the first model
we should gas the toyobaru fanboys
>>14046278
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZEVLQQ7uEc
Fuck that embed shit. RCR review on Miata.
>>14046284
>Whatever helps you deal with the slowbaru being worse in literally every way
but
the 86 is cheaper, faster and seats 2 more
>>14042780
It's a "feels" car. I won't call it a go-kart, because mine feels like a Camry on the way home from a real go-kart session, but it's along those lines. The controls feel very direct and un-damped. It's the most responsive car short of a Lotus or Caterham. And that makes it fun. It also makes it a handful as a daily driver (loud and rough).
Since it isn't very fast, you're also more likely to wring it out all the time on the street. That's why I get 21mpg in my 2002 Miata. Honestly, that's half the fun - I'd hate to tiptoe around all the time in a 300hp car.
The BRZ/FR-S is similar, but less extreme (i.e. heavier). But it needs to be driven at higher rpm to be faster. At 2,000 - 4,000 rpm, power levels are similar, and the ND Miata is a little more powerful when the BRZ/FR-S has its torque dip at 4,000. After 5,000 rpm the BRZ starts to make more power, though the Miata still has a better power/weight ratio. Near 6,000 rpm, the BRZ genuinely pulls away. The high compression ratio in that Skyactiv engine hurts the high end and forces a low redline.
>>14046297
>the 86 is cheaper
poorfag detected
>faster
kek
>seats 2 more
buy a corolla then faggot
>>14043841
Which trim do I have to get to not have those incredibly ugly led strip fog lights/running lights?
>>14046304
yes, faster
http://www.caranddriver.com/features/lightning-lap-2013-hot-cars-hot-track-hot-laps-feature-lightning-lap-2013-ll1-class-page-3
http://www.caranddriver.com/features/mazda-mx-5-miata-at-lightning-lap-2015-feature
and the 86 has a 27mph higher top speed
>buy a corolla then faggot
rather that than the LGBT mobile
>>14046297
And a used mustang is cheaper faster and can seat two full size Americans :^)
>>14046311
a used mustang is also a used mustang you massive fucking retard
>>14046310
>yes, faster
no, not faster
>>14046201
>>14045918
>and the 86 has a 27mph higher top speed
good for you I guess, its because the car is lolcantturn
>rather that than the LGBT mobile
so why are you shilling for the toyobaru, buy a challenger if you need to compensate
>>14046327
>its because the car is lolcantturn
I'm out
>>14046338
>slower than a miata on tight courses
>butmuh VIR which is mostly made out of long straights
fucking toyobaru fanboys, at least the rustang and camaro fangirls make fun of the miata in an actually fun way
>>14046112
>and everything is just gonna get worse once the 80-90's revival jap cars comes along
Mitsubishi better be packing a new 3000GT and RWD FTO/Eclipse to make up for the dead Evo.
>>14046368
Does Mitsu even make cars anymore? Since the Lancer/Evo died aren't they all just rebadged Suzukis? They make more money from electronics than they ever could with cars.
>>14046411
They outsell Nissan honda subaru bmw audi vw etc in Australia by a Looong margin
Their American lineup is just shit they've never cared about America and never will
