Why do Europeans get so mad when talking about American muscle cars? Especially the Camaro?
>>14036433
god damn modern muscle cars are ugly
>camaro
>american
its made in australia nig-nog
>>14036433
Wouldn't you be mad too if your government made you pay twice the value of the car in taxes and fees to own anything other than a 2 liter i-4?
New Mustang is okay, I like the Charger and Challenger.
Camaro can eat a dick. Fucking small windowed hotwheels piece of shit. Disgusting.
>>14036444
Didn't know Oshawa Ontario was in Australia.
Good talk.
>>14036454
I would me mad if my goverment spent my tax money on a military police state and in aid towards israel instead of healthcare or free universities for young people
>>14036433
maybe it has to do with them being stupidly overpriced after terrifs, import taxes, displacement taxes where applicable, and the vat.
Last i knew it was roughly double the USA cost + some change to get a new mustang in the netherlands
>>14036462
didin't know holden was Canadian
>>14036467
if university wasn't already free
you don't deserve to go
Because they can't be driven on their small roads.
>camaro
>>14036472
What in the star spangled fuck is a Holden? That's a Chevrolet Camaro.
Why do Americans get so keked when a foreign company goes and gets the import of cars almost entirely banned? :^)
>>14036494
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_Zeta_platform
what a dumb dumb
>>14036433
Because the Camaro is a glorified skid pig that was intended to be released as just that in Australia and Americans act like it is some glorious speed demon.
It was going to be the VE Monaro, stop acting like it is special for anything other than burnouts.
Still no idea how Chevy managed to take this car and turn it into the Camaro, it was very pretty once.
>>14036474
deserve got nothing to do with it
>>14036503
it's funny to see them blame MB instead of their own govt
>>14036472
>Chassis developed by a wholly owned Australian subsidiary of GM.
>Designed by a gook in the US
>Assembled in Canada using parts from all over NA.
>MADE IN AUSTRALIA GUYS
Speaking of the new Camaro, any seen a road test and/or dyno of the new 2.0t? Cant find any online
>>14036487
You fool, don't expect "mussle" cars to make turns. They are built for quarter mile pseudoracing.
>>14036433
>posting shit cars in a shit city
>>14036471
You mean this?
>>14036471
>quote the Netherlands or Norway
>HURR DURR YUROP ENTIRELY TERRIBLE
The Mustang starts at 37.000 € in Germany, that's after taxes, accordingly 31.100 € before taxes, at the current exchange rate US$ 34,180 including shipping across the Atlantic Ocean. Yeah the US prices are lower still, but a price like this isn't going to break your neck.
>>14036596
Dutchfag here, this is the reason you see a lot of expensive cars with German plates around here. They tend to work in the Netherlands, but live just across the border in Germany.
ITT: Euro's mad as FUCK they don't get to enjoy the pleasure of owning a muscle car.
>>14036627
>hurr durr europe
>posts two european cars
>>14036617
Weird, I'd do the opposite because as I understand it the inspections in the Netherlands are a cake walk in terms of modifications.
>>14036633
The ones that can afford big expensive cars aren't the type of people to mod their cars.
Inspections are a lot easier to pass over here though, and <2l shitboxes are still cheap enough, so for a poorfag like me it's not too terrible.
>>14036433
>Listening to anyone on /o/
The Mustang and Camaro both sell like hot cakes for a reason. Both are decently reliable, cheap, and are decently fun to drive.
>>14036647
>The Mustang and Camaro both sell like hot cakes for a reason.
americans dont know any better?
>>14036647
Also this will get a whole lot of dank meme action going, but there is a lot of heritage that comes with owning Camaros/Mustangs
They have a very long lineage in American society, and both are pillars in the American car world.
>>14036650
>hurr americans r dumb!
No, it is the exact reasn the anon posted above you.
They are fun, looks good, cheap (for the price they perform extremely well), reliable and working on them is pretty dmn easy.
>>14036672
>literally the same a mustang which i s the same a challenger which is the same to the camaro in the first place
its like going to a restaurant opening the menu and only have 3 dishes, which are exactly the same as each other, to pick from
>>14036684
In and Out Burger
Five Guys
etc.
Your comparison is fucking retarded because you don't even bother reading or researching the differences.
>>14036732
Or Hardee's and Carls Jr.
>>14036732
>>14036741
>no its not
>posts """"restaurants"""" that serve the same (burgers)
what the hell?
they are all the same heavy RWD v8s
at least Ford is making the new Focus RS
>>14036761
I was trying to tell you that your comparison was fucking dumb because many people happen to do the same thing, however, they are extremely popular for the differences each restaurant has to offer.
Camaro - Looks, style, fun.
Challenger - Powerful, smooth, comfortable
Mustang - Has a little of everything
Everyone has there style and those styles share similarities but are not the same. You can make the same damn comparison about supercars.
They are all the same fast and flashy cars.
>>14036537
Have you ever been to America? Once you get out of the major cities and suburbs, America is largely rural, flat, and have miles of straight cross crossing roads. There is no need to worry about turns only going fast.
GM and ford must suck since they built a car for America. Enjoy your cobblestone roads and taking tight turns going 15 kph or whatever archaic measurements you use.
>>14036794
>archaic
>>14036783
>Camaro - Looks, style, fun.
>Challenger - Powerful, smooth, comfortable
>Mustang - Has a little of everything
literally all of that is subjective
all 3 cars are exactly the same
>You can make the same damn comparison about supercars.
no?, supercars come in AWD, RWD twin turbo, N/A, supercharged, v8,v12,w16v10, even v6
>>14036794
>this post
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-L6SdaeCx0
holy shit ameriblubers memes are real
>>14036845
Muscle cars come in v4, v6, v8, turbocharged, supercharged etc.
>literally all that is subjective
No fucking shit Sherlock, that's why there are multiple types of muscle cars and that's why there are different styles of cars, not just muscle. It's about preference. Holy Christ.
>>14036857
>v4
kek
>etc.
yeah right, the inline 4 and v6 are shit, and only the cobra jet comes with turbos, the other ones are all supercharged
>. It's about preference.
basically, and if you want an rear engine or a midship platform, or a compact RWD you have to buy japanese or european because the only 3 cheap sports cars in america are literally the same
>>14036870
>3 cheap sports car
>cheap
Way to hit the nail directly on the head. We don't have to pay 100 - 500k or even 1mil^ to purchase a fast and fun car.
>>14036794
>Daily reminder if you are american, you should kill yourself.
>>14036878
Come back when your country's relevant.
>>14036884
Sorry, I wasn't aware being ran out of your home country by mudslime "refugee's" and bending over backwards to your government was deemed as being popular.
>>14036874
neither I have to if I want an impreza, evo, miata, elise, espirit, 80's audi, v8 opels, hondas, MR2s, supras, skylines, Caterhams etc etc
are you dumb???
>>14036816
>>14036849
>>14036878
Getting this mad about things people say on the Internet ;).
>Used to be in the Army
>Got stationed in germany
>Had shitty hand-me-down 97 V6 autotragic mustang from sister as my first car
>Army paid to ship it over to germany
>I sold it for the the equivalent of $17,000 USD to some Russian guy
>Car might of been worth $2500 on a good day in the states
Very happy about that sale still to this day.
>>14036900
>damage control
nice try though, you totaly proved the mustang, camaro and challenger are not the same
>>14036900
I ain't even mad, stop projecting, murrican.
>Flagship sports car isn't faster than a Civic
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>>14036472
Holden is a GM rebadge, its literally just a puppet that GM uses to sell american cars to people who won't buy american cars
>Camaro
>uses the chassis of a family car from newfoundshitpostland
>>14036953
B T F O
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Ford confirmed GOAT
>camaro cant turn
>slow
Kek
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qj1h75vA1Jw
>>14036953
>>14036959
See >>14036487
Thank you fat niggers, back to your burgers.
>>14036978
I'm sorry that I'm posting newer cars that represent how fast they currently are, this is a 2012 zl1 btw and can be bought for $40k
>>14037005
>muh thousand hp mussle car
>can't go faster than a civic
>mfw my granny drives a car faster than murrica's flagship car
>>14037019
Look at the times again, faggot.
>>14037026
>civic faster than camaro
>>14037031
>1:15 is faster than 1:13
>1:41 is faster than 1:38
>7:50 is faster than 7:41
Sure, the Civic is faster than the Camaro.
>>14037039
it is :^)
this civic is 5k btw
>>14037053
See
>>14037005
I'm posting the best that the civic has, and it can't even beat a mustang and camaro
they cant fuckin turn lol
>>14037062
I dont think you understand the problem here
sure, the zl1 is faster, but it is faster than a civic
a civic
you are comparing a v8 500 hp sports car to a civic
and its not even the base model camaro, but one that was close to 60k news
to a fucking civic
C I V I C
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>>14037084
He gets it. The fact that the civic was close is what's important. The fact that it won on a few tracks is fucking embarrassing.
>>14036433
We just get annoyed that people still make cars that bad in 2015, if was acceptable to be slow and inefficient in 1965 but there is just no good reason not to make good cars anymore.
>>14037084
Hey, I didn't start the ahitposts about "camaro being slower than a civic" but in just posting the best that the civic has, and it can't even beat a mustang and camaro (not Ben gt350 and z28 mind you)
And I would post the newer ss lap times, but they don't share any
>>14036444
>>14036467
facebook frog
>>14036870
>>14036910
krautchan bears
>>14037084
now THIS is more like it
very ylilauta tier
I don't particularly hate muscle care , but what I really look for from new cars is technological advancement not "I made the engine bigger and bigger and bigger" , it will be not a car but a truck ...
I love the engines with maximum efficiency , with highest ratio "power/dimension" or "power/consumption" or "power/rpm"
My typical area of comparison is the rally track for example , where no muscle car appear
So I don't deteste muscle car , they are simple not for me
>>14037117
>but in just posting the best that the civic has, and it can't even beat a mustang and camaro
yeah, but that is literally not an issue
because its a civic
a civic is not meant to beat camaros or mustangs, yet its faster than old solid axle mustangs, or corvettes
I mean now you will post a zr1 and pretend not ot be butthurt or whatever, but do you understand the fact that you have to compare a 100k zr1 to a fucking civic?
>>14037144
>deteste
Brazilian, please leave with your 1.0 Gol.
>>14037151
you sure served him, Bernd ;)
>>14037150
except the type r is close to $40k and the zl1 is $55k
and it came out 3 years after the camaro zl1 and likely isn't going to come out in america for another 2 years where it'll go up against a even faster mustang and camaro. the new 6th gen ss is said to be as fast as the last gen zl1 and that's about a $34-38,000 car in america.
>>14036953 and going off that its still slower than even a 37,000 euro mustang gt vs a 36,500 euro civic type r.
>Europeans
You mean a vocal butthurt crowd of germans, because I'm yuro and I'd love a v8 muscle car
Heck i'll take the 2.3 ecobooster over the super common 320ds here, 4 cyl or not its still less depressing than 4cyl bmws
>>14037150
I mean, I won't post a zr1
>>14037174
russian/sand nigger detected
>>14036434
Seriously
They are just modern takes on the old ones
Granted bigger and fatter but pretty much the same
I actually think we are coming back around to the old style of cars but bigger
>>14037182
White Swiss actually
>>14037151
French-Italian here , and yes I speak horrible English
And yes Lancia Delta Evolution , small but with double turbo leads world rally competitions for several years
Again for your routes muscle cars are ok , you can have fun with ... In Europe they are useless and really can't have fun , you need a more responsive , smaller, and more controllable car ...
I am only trying to find a reason to why European don't love muscle cars ...
>>14037190
Imagine how bad must feel for your murrican son to go play an /ovg/ game, they pick a Corvette and then a Civic comes and competes with him.
I mean, only on America.
>>14037206
Hey, I'm not the one that brought corvettes into this
>>14037150
This anon did
>>14037206
>son
BOUGHT a new set of spark plug wires today
>>14037211
He always does lmao
>>14037178
>but I will post a z06 that costes close to 80k new
kek
>>14037167
the type R is still a 300 hp FWD civic, thats the thing you still dont understand, a v8 400 hp mustang is barely faster than that
>b-but used
ok, you know you can also buy used civics right?
>>14037190
Also there's no real point in even paying attention to butthurt yuropoors
The board would be better off if everyone would ignore them till they quit coming here.
Today, I will remind them
>>14037253
>all this butthurt
>not even yuropoor
kek
amerifriends on suicide watch
>>14037197
>In Europe they are useless and really can't have fun
>need smaller car
I don't follow the logic, I'm swiss and I'd have a fuckload of fun in any RWD car with a lot of power or size, heck there's a fuckload of SUVs here that are way bigger than any mustang or camaro
>>14037240
>used civics
All of these cars are being compared to the current type-r. You realize that right?
Even a used type-r is more expensive than the c5 and c6
the type R bait is so fucking good kek
based honda
>>14037253
There's no need to further perpetuate this american-european hate m8, its just some vocal no car germans spouting shit all day, just ignore them
-t swiss guy that is happy and not frustrated
>>14036433
Do we? Hadn't noticed tbqh.
>>14037282
Same, bitches get WET over mustangs here
>>14037270
>All of these cars are being compared to the current type-r.
and?
I dont understand your point
>Even a used type-r is more expensive than the c5 and c6
lol an FD2 is like 10k, thats cheaper than a z51 c6 and a z06 c5
>>14037288
Well you didn't post a c5 z06 first off
>I don't understand your point
I'm comparing the cars to the best the civic has, which isn't saying much apparently
>>14037300
dude
like
see what you are saying
>oh well that 350 hp rwd z51 c5 is not a z06 so that means it ok that is slower than a 200 hp economy sedan
>I'm comparing the cars to the best the civic has, which isn't saying much apparently
well duh, its a fucking civic
a civic
it doesnt need to have much because its a fucking civic
yet 400-500 hp RWD american sports cars can barely keep up with it
10/10 baiting ITT
>>14037322
Being faster doesn't means "barely keeping up"
And I never started the civic vs mustang/camaro/corvette shitposting itt. I just posted some pics comparing the newest type-r to the other, cheaper alternatives.
>>14036596
Not exactly related to the question, but let's say my business was going to station me in Germany for a few years, how would things work if I shipped over my vehicle instead of just using what my company supplied while I was there? Would I be forced to pay import taxes on it despite owning it, or what?
>>14037347
>Being faster doesn't means "barely keeping up"
it kinda does when its a matter of 1 or 2 seconds
> the newest type-r to the other, cheaper alternatives.
both the nwa mustang and the zl1 are just as expensive, why are you trying to trick me?
>>14037386
The c5 and c6 are bothe cheaper than the type-r while being faster
>>14037395
>faster
>american shit
>not shit
top kek
>>14037437
dude the c5 is slower than even older civics and minicoopers, and that image you link is just faster by a second
also the other one you linked is a z06 c6 and that was like 80k new, I tought you said cheaper?
>>14037386
>>Being faster doesn't means "barely keeping up"
>it kinda does when its a matter of 1 or 2 seconds
"No"
>>14036894
HONDA IS GARBAGE EFFU EFFU
IT
NEVER
WINS
>>14037451
Got a chuckle from me someone make more
>>14037489
>this 500hp RWD car is faster!!!
>than a civic and just by a second tho
>>14037500
>this civic is faster than a corvette
>only by -2 seconds
>when it's all about track times
>>14036444
>>14036472
>>14036508
Get with the times faggots, the Camaro uses the Cadillac developed Alpha platform.
im baffled by how the type-r is slower by 7 seconds than a 10 year old corvette
>slower thana fucking Si
kek the c5 is such a turd
>>14037540
>7 seconds
>>14037178
>>14037549
>>14037540
>>14037478
>>14037451
>>14037412
>>14037386
>>14037288
>>14037253
>>14037240
>>14037190
>>14037178
>>14037150
>>14037053
>>14037005
>>14036953
>>14036487
>track times are the only relevant thing about cars
this thread really is just the worst /o/ users
>>14037591
says the obese fat tripfag cunt who treats this board as some sort of social network and nothing else
how bout you go spam price vs 0-60 pictures yes, so much better
>>14037596
My FR-S shitposting caused such obscene amounts of butthurt that you're still mad over it.
![1450033460438[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/BLuiQ7K.png "1450033460438[1].png")
>>14037551
>80k z06 c6
duuuude I tought you said cheaper
>>14037610
>10 years newer
>still slower
>>14037629
one of these cars was designed for middle aged men, the other was designed for track times
>>14037654
>gets beat by a 10 year old car designed for middle aged men
Could it possibly be Fox and the Grapes syndrome?
I do notice that muscle cars, even newer ones, attract lots of attention in Europe. People like seeing them.
>>14037733
Probably this. They're fucking everywhere in the US, but in certain countries in yurop they're taxed so badly that barely anyone can afford them, and the people who can would rather buy an M5.
>>14037654
you're not helping your case kid
>>14037769
That's really all things are, I'd say. When you make something rare and exclusive somewhere, there will always be some guy who will pay big just to get something different than everyone else. Happens in all industries, not just vehicles.
>>14037522
This, it was the LAST gen Camaro that used the Zeta platform. Which is really still a GM platform when it comes down to it.
>>14037957
For the same reason you see a lot more Porsches here. They're actually a cheaper alternative to a Mustang or Camaro.
>>14036433
Eurofag here. I fucking love the Camaro. 4th gen a shit tho.
Actually looking to buy a second gen and LS3 swap it, if funds allow.
>>14037994
Fucking saved lol
>>14037264
A 4WD is a different thing than a muscle car.
4WD is used in Europe especially in mountain/countryside where 4WD is useful.
There is a 0,X% of car owners that use 4WD in city but it's actually negligible
For SUV the story is different. Here, the european try to badly imitate american (in fact SUV arrived here only in the last 10 years) , but again it's far to be a significant % .
Mostly, european prefer citycar, station-wagon, sport-car (not muscle car), coupé, sedans, etc...
The dream-car for the most in europe (i am not saying for all!) is a sport/vintage car not a muscle car
>>14036456
Kek
>>14037185
Brit on American Muscle cars:
>They are just modern takes on the old ones
>Granted bigger and fatter but pretty much the same
Brit on Aston Martin:
>They express their strong heritage through subtle styling cues
>Of course they're a bit larger now but they still maintain that grand original aesthetic.
![image44489_b[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Us3pIwp.jpg "image44489_b[1].jpg")
>will never be able to get an FG Falcon in the US
Fuck you Ford.
>>14036433
lol amerikeks have no culture > look at them. copying european culture > they have culture of their own. it must be retarded.
same applies for americans toward asia. imagine how much it bothers the average american that they copy all their technology. now imagine how much more it bothers that they have that anime shit. and that there are actually americans interested in that and start copying asian culture.
>>14038000
Europeans love Mustangs/Camaros. They are the highest rented cars by vacationing yuros by an incredible margin. Top Gear and /o/ are not representative of actual yuropoors. For every ten yuros that stays at my hotel nine of them will have a mustang or Camaro.
>>14037253
>we make poor finacial decisions
>let get a load out to buy out plastic "performance" shitboxes
>so desperate he has to steal euro cars for his american one
lel
>>14037150
>civic 0-60 in 2.4 seconds
r u suer
lmao ive never seen so many asshurt yuropoors before
>>14038525
BTFO
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>>14036627
Id take the fiat pal
I hate challengers so much idk why, i just fucking hate them and the people that drive them so damm much
>>14042194
But it's like the best looking car America makes right now.
>>14042207
So the bar there is pretty damn low.
>>14036563
>110k eu
Mustang is like 35k GBP lol
>>14042255
It's basically just the Challenger, The Corvette, the Viper and maybe the CTS.
>>14038322
>brit cars
>ever
I'd rather get a C6 Z06 than a fucking Aston martin or whatever meme car
>>14042291
>C6
Why do Americans have such low standards?
>>14036433
>FCA Challenger
>American
>>14042194
>Id take the fiat
But Challenger is a Fiat
>>14042760
>look ma I can post cars from 2005!
Why do Europeans have such low standards?
>>14043432
Porsche is more well equipped and unlike the vette, the engine won't grenade after 20k miles.
>>14038407
Well I love the 71-74 'cudas too, a little more even than the Camaro, but I can't afford them. I just dig that 2ndGen/TransAm look more than other muscle cars, but I love most of them to some extent. Mustangs not so much, actually. 1st gen pretty cool, but the rest... meh.
>>14043525
c6 corvette had a very solid engine.
you call yourself an auto enthusiast and can't tell different gen cars appart. fuck off back to 9gag
>>14043525
>Corvette MSRP
>$43k
>911 MSRP
>$79k
Gee this extra $36k sure gave me a lot of features!
>>14036632
Then this is german.
>>14043684
C7 corvette starts at $55k
>>14043525
>what is m97 catastrophic IMS failure
it'll just grenade around 80-100k miles while the pushrod truck engines in the corvette go up to 250-300k
>>14043828
but he posted a 997, not a 996
