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>less than 7000ish usd
>sub 3600 pounds
>capable of 400 at the tire without adding forced induction (I'm fine with going bigger on existing turbo/sc setups), swapping engine/trans, or building the bottom end
>reliable enough to be daily driven
>stick shift
>RWD or AWD
Does this exist? Closest thing I can think of are Foxbody SVO Mustangs or 4.6L Cobra Mustangs but transmissions are weak points and might not hold 400... am I missing something? 6 speed C4 Corvette?
>>14034162
2nd gen Camaro
You're fucked for that price unless you drop a lot of cash in mods.
7000 is before mods; I'm just retarded, not completely insane
>>14034162
Ls1 camaro...
Buy something that's broken for $1k and dump the other $6k into sick mawdz including a built bottom end because fuck you
>>14034182
There's already a C4 in my garage Alfnose it's too late
Uh...something that can fit a big block? SVO isn't a bad thought but you're right about the trans. Eclipse GSX with a 4g63T that's been built right (all good parts from various years or whatever)
>>14034181
the LS1 Maros/Trans Ams don't drop below 8000 here anymore. Maybe I'll look out of state.
LT1s are cheap as fucc but I'm not sure how I feel about the LT1
>>14034197
Fuuuck are they appreciating already?
>>14034202
Yeah they went back up in price at the same time notchback foxes did, unfortunately.
>>14034180
MK III Supra
>>14034162
Don't termis have viper spec T56s?
>>14034219
I was thinking about those actually but I don't know if they'd be reliable enough - you have any experience with the turbo Mk3s?
>>14034227
The Terminators do but the N/A 4.6L (1996-2002) Cobras don't
>>14034162
you aren't getting a 2003/2004 for 7 grand.
>>14034246
I know the pic is a termi but I was talking about the 96-02 N/A 4valve
>>14034240
>>14034219
>buy n/a Mk III with blown 7M-GE for $500
>buy 1JZ-GTE and R154 for $2000
>spend rest of money on an aftermarket headgasket, good turbo manifold, giant chinese turbo, fuel and tuning
>???????
>500whp
Also if you do this on a W-58 it will explode
You could probably get to 400whp with a 7M-GTE but it'd be more effort and probably still explode
>>14034252
And now you are posting a 2v. Interesting.
>>14034191
Don't worry dad I always do
>>14034259
I don't have my New Edge folder seperated into Terminator/Cobra/GT
Have a lightning swap
>>14034257
It won't explode. The 7M-GTE is not a bad engine overall once the headgasket torque spec issue is taken care of.
>>14034257
If I was going to swap drivetrains I'd stuff a 5.3L LS into a starlet lmao
>>14034272
Implying you need to have the folder filtered to not pick the bullitt green mustang.
>>14034284
This one says "SALEEN" real huge across the back and I'm still going to post it
>>14034287
At least your post isn't about how you aren't buying a saleen.
You're slowly improving the quality of your posts.
>>14034294
My posts never have any quality
>>14034240
Head gaskets are a issue on the 7m, and It hates low oil situations, but if you take care of it,
Get Arp head studs and they are a pretty good reliable engine. Don't take care of it and it will eat you up.
>>14034240
I'm not the same guy, but I've owned 3 turbo mk3's.
They're more reliable than the internet will have you believe. If it's stock headgasket, once you change it properly it'll never blow again under 20psi of boost. Just have the head milled/prepped for a mhg (even if you'll use oem copper replacement), replace the head bolts with ARP studs, and be sure to retorque them after 5-7 heat cycles. This whole process can be done for $400-1200 yourself, depending on what else you do at the same time.
With a turbo back exhaust, intake, piggyback ecu, fuel upgrades, front mount, and bigger bolt on turbo you can reliably make anywhere from 3-500hp depending on budget and goals.
A stock mk3 (assuming healthy motor and turbo) with only an exhaust, intake, and boost controller will make anywhere from 260-280whp. I wouldn't really even worry about the bottom end until you want to break 500whp.
All this said, with projects of this nature, I'd get a daily driver first.
>>14034240
The '01 has a tremec 3650 which can hold 400hp.
>>14034282
The difference is that the 1JZ actually came in Mk IIIs, m80
>>14034280
I understand that but they do make less power generally from what I've seen on Supra forums, and the electronics are comparatively shit
also the head gasket has been shifting around for 30 years now so it'll (almost certainly) need actual machining, not just "I slapped a new factory composite gasket on and torqued it right so it should be fine"
>>14034240
>>14034313
Also, there are no '02 Cobras.
>>14034304
Headgasket is not the issue.
Shallow head bolts were.
Ditto with the olds diesels back in the day.
>>14034162
Reliable enough to be daily driven and make to go over 400 hp...no
>cheap
>horsepower
>reliable
Pick 2
I had a thread a few days away with a very similar question though. Most hp or potential for 4k. Reslly the best choice at least in my mind is the mk3 supra. And the only 2 real runners up are the turbo z31 or z32 and a 5.0 fox. All 400 hp capable with the right work without complete overhauls
>>14034305
muh nigga
>>14034305
I don't (yet) have the space for two cars, so was trying to figure out if there was something in my price range I could slowly and safely bolt power onto and only have the thing apart for a handful of days at a time while I'm working on it instead of weeks/months
>>14034313
is 400 the limit?
>>14034331
I've ridden in that car. It goes real fast.
>>14034327
For 4k with reliability not being an issue the answer is DSM
>>14034319
tru
>>14034305
At 500 you're really pushing the stock pistons limits but it can be done. Rest of the block will take it I've read.
This spring I plan on doing exactly this with an mk3.
>>14034330
Give me one
>>14034337
Without opening the engine, at that price I disagree. Finding one that isn't fucked, awd and turbo that isn't going to crank walk
>>14034330
>tfw no Supra horde
Some day I'll be that guy. Fuck you, future HOA.
>>14034353
That isn't going yo crank walk the second I hit boost is nearly impossible now. For 4k I could pick up an mk3 which will run way more reliably and make way more reliable power and more imo. Especially without even opening the engine past a head gasket
>>14034353
if you're just going big power for the budget you don't need the AWD
GST with a craigslist turbo, hacksaw open downpipe, and pump/injectors
>>14034353
>>14034362
>le crankwalk maymay
Get a 1st gen, they're lighter and crankwalk was only a problems for pre-facelift 2nd gens with the 7 bolt (or 6 bolt, I forget, whatever)
For a while auto/AWD was the new trend in the DSM crowd but it requires dropping $2k on a built transaxle
>>14034317
7M is simply an older but more-capable platform, given the extra displacement. It was Toyota's highest performance engine for the general market at the time. It has many strengths such as parts availability, torque, cost, large aftermarket, large community and extensively documented history of mods of all types. For 500whp or less 7M vs 1J is nearly a tie. Costing the same, it comes down to if you like torque and boost or response and high revs. Also, as with any aluminum head, you'll want to machine the surface before replacing the headgasket. This is not a 7M-only concern.
>>14034324
You are incorrect. Confusion resulting from switching to copper gaskets in lieu of asbestos ones is what caused all 7M's to leave the factory with their head bolts torqued to like 10or20ft-lbs IIRC. Also the bolts were prone to stretching with heat. Yes, ARP studs are a worthwhile (and IMO mandatory) upgrade, but lack of them is not the cause of the defect.
>>14034373
DSM may mays
>>14034363
I don't want my power to the front, just my preference. And I would think a 7m with similar mods would result it Morw power
>>14034376
>It was Toyota's highest performance engine for the general market at the time.
For all of 2 years
>you'll want to machine the surface before replacing the headgasket. This is not a 7M-only concern.
I was referring to the possibility of the block requiring machining as well.
I don't hate the 7M, though, they're pretty cool. I'm just biased since 1JZ cars are available where I live and that makes buying a 7M pretty pointless considering that the 7M cars were sold here and are all rusty with 200k kms on them
a shop not particularly far from my house has a 900whp 1JZ Supra which is all stock except the cams and head gasket. AFAIK it hasn't blown up yet
>>14034380
>>14034390
>>14034360
>>14034343
Ironicly its my first, my second supra and my wifes. All of them are/were dailys.
This is my fucking money pit
>>14034397
>>14034404
inform me about the stang while I shitpost DSM maymays in my own thread
>>14034411
Calling bullshit right now
Galant VR4s are almost certainly more likely to be broken since there were only 2000 of them and half are parts cars now
Also USDM ST185s are pretty much all dead and they can be pretty quick too i you don't mind slapping ebay shit on since there's no aftermarket
>>14034411
>>14034423
lol a friend of mine has a big turbo Galant VR4
...It's broken
>>14034427
>when they try to race real cars
obligatory
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRGInQXXSFc
>wah tsat your cahr?
>that was my engine
>wah tsat your enjun??????????
>>14034162
I can only really speak to Mopars, but an old Dart slant-6 or Satellite are potentially fitting. Its just hard to find ones in decent condition that aren't fully resto'd. A Stealth fits the criteria except for price, depending on where you're at. Other than that, SRT-4 Neons can push more than 400hp with a couple grand in mods and are easy and cheap to maintain, but they're FWD.
I dunno, man. Not a lot of options.
>>14034443
>my dad's gonna be pissed.
>>14034448
A slant 6?
Also stealths are super unreliable
>>14034489
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrysler_Slant-6_engine
Post-68 Slants were the best, but smog control really killed them. Very reliable engine with a lot of potential. Darts powered by these things were killing Big Blocks in the quarter.
As for the Stealth, if they aren't abused all to fuck, they aren't terrible. I've got a buddy I work with that bought and restored one for around six grand and pushed 385 to the back wheels and reliably ran 11s.
>>14034448
I love slant sixes but there is basically no chance of making 400hp without a turbo. The old high-lift racing packages from the factory were nowhere near that even and those did replace the bottom end.
I owned a Stealth and it was fucking shit but it was also abused to hell and back so...
From what I remember lurking 3Si back in the day it's easy to run 11s if you gut it and pull all the gimmick tech. 6G72 can make 500whp on a stock block
>>14034520
I couldn't really comment too much on the Stealth. I just know what I saw my friend pull off with it. I drive a Challenger R/T and set off at a dig against his Stealth and lost by six car lengths. It was impressive to me, but I have certainly heard of reliability issues.
As to the Slant, I might have misunderstood your original request. My assumption was that you were looking for raw potential at cost within certain parameters. If the 400hp mark is a make or break, yeah, the Slant won't do it for less than 14k, I'd wager. I've just seen 320-350hp Darts run 10s at the local strip and figured it might suit your desires.
I mean, unless you wanted to run Nitrous, you'd have to FI it. Oh well, sorry I couldn't help.
The transmissions hold over 400 horserpower.
>>14034546
I'm not OP, m8, so I can't speak for him for certain. I was just pointing out that, as you mention, if he wants 400whp that's not going to happen with a slant six.
My dad used to keep a slant six valiant around as a DD at all times. This was in the 90s so they were all rustbucket pieces of shit. However, he never had an engine fail before the rest of the car did... and he was buying the shittiest ones available so that's even more impressive. I'm too young to remember it but apparently he had one that ran for weeks with a gaping hole in the block, lel. They're pretty damn good engines.
>>14034566
Ah, well, I'm only half coherent posting from insomnia anyways.
I've seen some Slants survive some insane shit. They're notoriously hard to kill, able to take beatings I've never seen another engine take. Hell, my Grandfather had a Dart that got hit by a Mack truck in the 80s. Totaled the car, but that engine got hoisted out and dropped into a Satellite and ran until he sold it in 2003.
I talk to this one old man at the track who has a numbers matching build. He's running modernized heads, direct injection, and nitrous, but little else. He regularly smokes big block Chevy's for fun. The smack talk he lays down is phenomenal.
>>14034592
>Ah, well, I'm only half coherent posting from insomnia anyways.
That's okay, anon, I'm drunkposting so I probably wasn't clear.
>The smack talk he lays down is phenomenal.
lel yeah I imagine so. V8fags get a certain look of disgust when they see a car has a slant so I bet they get pretty butthurt when one wrecks them
