Why don't American/rest of the world's truckers drive something like pic related?
You can haul way more cargo, and it turns in the same amount of room. There's literally no downside.
>>14025393
Because murikans are scared of not having a massive doghouse on the front of their truck so everyone can see how big their engine is
Just look at this retarded piece of shit, all that wasted space.
>>14025393
We used to have cab overs.
Then they went away.
>>14025400
1. No length laws
2. No one wants to work on POS cabovers all the god damn time, they're hard enough to build
3. There is no such thing as a comfortable cab over, anyone who tells you anything differently is delusional or a yuro shill
Big American have more comfortable interiors, every COE I've ever sat in felt cramped as fuck. Not only that, but working on anything past the engine/trans is a fucking pain in the ass. Any American built truck has more room to work on shit going down frame rails, whereas COE's have a retarded lack of space and that's before the engine/trans is even set in the damn thing.
>>14025430
Big American trucks*
>>14025393
I can't tell you. I like them.
>>14025430
>Americans so fat they need a full size apartment in their truck
>They break so often that ease of fixing them is a feature
kek
>>14025466
Basically this is another size thread with europoors whining and hating on Americans because their roads are small.
When I am doing my Cali-Fairbanks run I want something I can sleep in and be comfortable in. Fuck motel/hotels, fuck having to stop for food anywhere but origin/destination.
>>14025393
fuck cabovers thats why
try working on one
>>14025404
thats called a show truck buddy
even youre bait makes you look retarded lmao
>>14025497
I have worked on and driven them. Tell one thing I couldn't fix on them that I could on a "conventional" truck.
>>14025466
>ad hominem
>Implying euro trucks aren't trash heaps that don't break down
Mercedes will sell you an OTR rig with a Mercedes Benz diesel pulled from their yuropoor COE's. It's literally probably only second to maxxforce diesels in terms of being utter garbage. PACCAR diesels are probably better, and any Cummins/Detroit is better in an OTR vehicle.
>>14025526
i didnt say you couldnt fix anything on one or the other
it takes more time to work on a cabover
Upside-down Alabama would like to have a word with you
straya cunt
>>14025560
Hands down the coolest trucks to see after they're built where I work are our Aussie rigs
Decked out in chrome everything, typically double framed, and typically optioned with an 18 speed eaton trans/ISX Cummins.>>14025435
Earlier pic related on the left, the white day cab Coronado is a RHD truck headed to Australia.
>>14025393
the driver is pretty much fucked in a collision with a cab over. especially if you hit something like a moose.
>>14025589
>I don't understand how collisions work
>>14025589
Literally nothing happens to the driver.
>>14025411
When I was a kid (18 now) I loved cab over semis and was thrilled to see them on the road since they were becoming rare by then.
>tfw they're almost extinct now
>>14025560
>>14025640
>implying you want to pull 1500 burgermeters in that cab versus an 80" sleeper.
>doesn't know euro trucks are like that because of their regulations and emissions
US trucks are longer because we don't have rules telling us to make them shorter, this is also an advantage for those who want more space in their cabin.
>>14025673
Then why not use these trailers instead? The main point in the OP was that these trailers are way more efficient and useful than your semitrailer.
You don't even need to have a cab over to fit a cargo space on the truck, but yet they're really rare in America.
They're also nimble.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyEVHihzYx0
S L A B C A B
L
A
B
C
A
B
Get in an accident and they might as well cut off the excess and drop ya into the ground, cause they ain't cutting you out of that alive.
>>14025755
>WHY DO YOU BURGERS NEED AN APARTMENT IN YOUR TRUCK
>HERE USE THIS TRAILER THAT DOES THE SAME SHIT BUT MUCH MORE DANGEROUS FOR NO REASON
because
>ded
>>14025540
Lol we just bought 10 sleepers and 3 day cabs with MAXXFORCE a year ago and we have never had more than 10 on the road since.
>>14025799
What?
>>14025504
>mfw americans have """"""""""show trucks"""""""""""
>mfw I don't have a face
Could inferior american truck survive in Brussels?
http://youtu.be/4nCLvKpM7lM
>>14025845
Euros have show trucks, google it.
It's some NFSU type shit.
>>14025832
Yea I will never understand why fleets buy navistar internationals
>>14025799
You get 40% more cargo room, which I thought you'd take advantage of since 'muh no length regulations' And in a truck that turns in the same radius and is faster to disconnect.
How is it less safe? Can't americlaps drive?
>>14025857
>mfw
>>14025880
>it gets worse
>>14025504
Bet you can't fix you raging homosexuality,fuck wit.
Talking about ease of work,not possibility
>>14025902
Meant for >>14025526
Sorry>>14025504
>>14025896
>straight piped Scania V8's
>straight piped Scania V8's everywhere
>>14025902
>Actually having to know something about trucks to fix them makes me a homosexual.
Fine, say something that is harder to fix on a cabover. Once you turn the cab over, you actually get better access to engine.
I thought american insecurity was just a meme.
>>14025404
Why does this look cool
I hate trucks
OUTTA MY WAY SHITLORDS
>>14025393
Meanwhile in Australia
>>14025435
what brand is the red one?
>>14026127
how do they keep thier rigs so clean in the outback
>>14026148
>how do they keep their rigs clean in the outback
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KL4g67IFptI
>>14025938
>No response from the amerifat roadwarrior
Figures.
>>14025570
jfc a mack with a sleeper, post that in the trucker thread, theyll get a boner
>This thread
>HURRR MURRICANS SUCK I HATE MURRICANS FAT DUMB GARBAGE I HATE THEM AND WILL MAKE UP ANY EXCUSE TO RIDICULE THEM
Meanwhile, in reality.
-OTR trucks in the US cover way more miles than in european countries, because the US is fucking huge, so comfortable sleeper caps are a necessity.
-With those crazy miles comes more maintenance, even though a big diesel truck can go millions of miles on its original engine, ease of maintenance is a big consideration, and cabovers fuck that up really well
-OTR trucks take wide, straight roads which are easily available in the US so they don't need to be tight turning cabovers.
You know who else uses conventional configuration trucks for long hauls? Australia. Commercial vehicles in big countries have different needs than those in tiny ones, when will you yuros learn?
>>14025874
>40' trailer has 40% more room than a 53' trailer
>>14026127
>ROAD TRAIN
>>14026138
caddilac
You would jacknofe into the fucking shadowrealm
'Merica
>>14026138
Western Star. Made by Daimler (aka Mercedes), as is Freightliner. Got bought up in like 2007 or something.
Western Stars are nice though. They are custom made, not fleet or company trucks really.
>>14026334
What he said
>>14025799
>all these 'murrican and europoor cunts fighting over their truck sizes
That's fukkin cute cunt
>>14026334
/thread
We're done here.
>>14026446
>>14026425
I actually see trucks like pic related around a little bit. I haven't quite figured it out yet. Could be team drivers that like never stop. Or drivers that are on the road all the time. Or possibly they go to extra remote areas.
>>14026446
>Australian road infrastructure
>>14026446
Let's see that thing make it over a North American mountain pass in a blizzard. Any truck can tow a lot on flat as fuck ground.
>>14026446
On the note of murrican trailer trains, my brothers are both drivers and they say that double/triple trailer hauls are becoming more common now. Don't think quadruples will anytime soon, though.
>>14026501
If I was on the road all the time I'd want to have an extended sleeper. Some have their own showers, toilets, and a small kitchen.
Are you guys all ready for the future?
>>14025755
Why? that trailer is shorter then the average one in the US.
>>14026597
Idk man they are shit trailers, to be honest i have no idea why both of your countries do not use B-Doubles.
>>14026501
>reliable carriers
they do enclosed car transport, their trucks might be at shows or auctions for 3 days or more without rolling. The extra room would def be nice then.
>>14026597
>>14026608
Strayan trucks for reference, B doubles are the smallest not including Semi's.
>>14026622
Driving one of those with a full length trailer must be a nightmare, the turning radius must be weird as fuck
>>14026622
It isn't just Reliable, I see them pulling all sorts of vans. Makes sense tho. Maybe the drivers have to sit random places for days at a time. I'm sure that giant tractor means you lose 10k lbs worth of cargo unfortunately.
>>14026528
Fed-Ex and UPS haul tons of doubles. A company called Overnite that had a yard by my old house outside of Chicago hauled doubles all day. They mostly go terminal to terminal on the interstate since they are restricted to lots of roads.
>>14026515
Have you ever seen a road train sitting beside a normal truck lol? they are not little rigs they pull up hills just fine.
here is a road train carrying a crane for size reference.
>>14026652
I wouldn't even want to drive the tractor. I hate driving straight trucks. Theh handle and turn like shit compared to a tractor trailer.
>>14026557
>that windscreen wiper
Jesus christ what.
>>14026659
>Fed-Ex and UPS
Yeah, I've seen them for a long time. I'm talking about places like Schneider.
>>14026676
COUNT THE BONGS.
>australia has better burnouts
>australia have better trucks
why can't seppos deal?
>>14026676
I believe it is so that when a truck driver is high on ice he has something to keep his attention toward the road. Them euros are always thinking ahead.
>>14026712
All those trucks and they still can't deliver grammar books properly.
>>14026676
>windscreen and wiper make the mercedes badge
>>14026715
im not australian :v)
>>14026715
>>14026721
Just retarded, got it.
American Trucks are more comfortable and have sleeper cabs because our country is nearly the size of your continent.
We drive more and longer.
>>14026737
stay mad seppo :^)
>>14026302
>replying to your own post
Pure autism
>>14026715
To be brutally honest this picture is at least 95% accurate.
>>14026661
A mountain pass is not a hill
>>14026774
I live in Australia, and I can tell you now that there are plenty of far better places on the planet to live. Just about everywhere in developed Europe, the United States, and Canada have a far more efficient society and better quality of life than Australia. Disposable income after tax here is quite low, and housing affordability is a bit ridiculous too.
Also,
>HDI
>being relevant
>>14025400
>Because murikans are scared of not having a massive doghouse on the front of their truck so everyone can see how big their engine is
It's because they are much more comfortable to drive long distances.
You simply cannot conceive of how big this place is without visiting.
Australian trucks are similar for the same reason.
>>14026787
So what you are saying is you are a no hope doll bludger who thinks Americans have a better standard of living because you are too god damned lazy to get off your arse, go up to work ways and do the course centrelink has been paying you to do instead of sitting on an anime image board complaining bout how bad it is over here.
Maybe stop doing ice you fucking druggo?
>>14026355
This. This is what I was thinking.
It's always more efficient to get everything in one space rather than dividing it up. Besides, I see two reefers on the OP truck.
Yeah how is that more efficient or better in any way other than maybe maneuverability? They probably only do that because they HAVE to for maneuvering purposes, when you have big open roads most of the time like in US then it becomes less of a problem.
Caveat - I have seen a truck like that here in the states but I'm 90% sure it was some sort of car carrier.
>>14026797
He's right though, Australia is one of the worst places on the planet which is why it was originally used as a dumping ground for criminals.
Have fun with your "P plates" and overpriced everything
>>14026797
I hate that you've got me on the defense now cunt, because it's literally the worst way to argue a point, but:
>So what you are saying is you are a no hope doll bludger
Wrong, I work a full time + part time job.
>Americans have a better standard of living
Typically, white Americans have a significantly better standard of living. Their stats are pulled down by vast amounts of niggers and cholos.
>do the course centrelink has been paying you to do
Never once received a Centrelink payment in my entire life, nor do I intend to.
>Maybe stop doing ice you fucking druggo?
Never touched a drug beyond alcohol and caffeine, if either of those could really be considered "drugs".
Have you ever even been anywhere else mate? Going to the UK, France, Germany, America, Canada, Japan, China, is like stepping 20 years into the future if you've come from Australia.
I'm an American owner op
Thanks for the hilarious thread guys.
Pic: my rig with 4 different loads
Why make such a big fuss over trucks? America and Australis have similar traits because they're both fucking huge. Many parts are isolated, or take hours/days of travel between them.
If I were a trucker, I'd want to be as comfortable as possible, at the downside of being a bit less economical. Shit, I only drive 300 miles a day and it wears me out after a bit.
>>14026835
>>14026835
Next time u fags break 10k$ in a week than we will talk
>>14026851
>>14026859
Literally 7k in 2 days
>>14026528
I see them all the time on I-5 through Oregon. Never in CA or WA, must be a difference in state regulations. Always doubles with a pair of shorty trailers (40'? Don't know actual length).
>>14026835
Why do I feel like that roller should be more centrally located? I'm sure there's a reason as I'm not a trucker but it just doesn't look typical nor like the weight is distributed evenly.
>>14026884
It can only be rear unloaded
>>14026835
>>14026851
>>14026859
>>14026864
8/10 needs more chickun lights
>>14026895
The chrome makes up for it
>>14026827
>it is like you have stepped 20 years into the future
>implying that is a good thing
Fuck off then, i like burnouts, bogans and steam trains senpai.
Different tools for different jobs. You kids have no idea
>>14026907
>those headlights
Those things are too rounded out for that truck. It looks weird.
>>14026944
I agree here's my dad's truck... They discontinued the 379 for the 389
>>14026907
>>14026944
I know. I got so pissed when I first saw those rolling along the highway. It's like they took a perfectly good classic looking truck and stuck muh modern curvy le fast angry lights on it instead.
Surely there's a place or somewhere that sells the classic rectangular lights (not sure if they're attached to the grille surround or not...) so they can be swapped. If I bought one of those new that would be the first thing I'd do.
Or I'd just buy a Western Star cause they get me.
>>14026334
>Freedom of movement in the Schengen Area is just a meme
![Dekotora-Trucks-1[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/1UCfkVy.png "Dekotora-Trucks-1[1].png")
It is like round eyes are not even trying.
>>14026557
>not posting the real truck of the future
>>14027057
It looks cool, but I don't know how practical it would be
>>14027086
Probably very when they can drive themselves.
>>14027124
Yeah but the aerodynamics look awful
>>14027149
>Put half of a giant jelly bean on the front
Problem solved.
>>14027114
>The Schengen Area currently has a population of over 400 million people and an area of 4,312,099 square kilometres (1,664,911 sq mi).[2]
>Texas is the second largest U.S. state, behind Alaska, with an area of 268,820 square miles (696,200 km^2). Though 10 percent larger than France and almost twice as large as Germany or Japan…
>>14027231
not even that guy, but
>NAFTA
>21,578,137 km^2
>8,331,362 sq mi
>472 million people
And a whole lot of big empty right in the middle.
The milk in my refrigerator was trucked around 2000 miles from a Wisconsin dairy. My blue jeans were trucked 2000 miles from a Juarez factory. The chicken I cooked for dinner was trucked 3000 miles from a factory farm in Georgia.
>>14027341
>Tyson chicken plant
Don't get me fucking started on those nasty ass trucks.
>>14026864
>mfw I made $13.5k in a single day
All I had to do was calibrate a compass on a drill ship.
>>14027348
Now I'm curious.
>>14026072
what's your problem buddy?
>>14027421
captcha ate my pic
>>14027424
It is possibly one of the most rancid smells I have ever experienced in my life, I can't even describe it. Imagine a 48 foot mesh trailer filled top to bottom with live chickens just shitting everywhere, now imagine an entire factory that they all meet at. The smell is fucking atrocious. Thankfully I never have a reason to be near the plant, just the unfortunate pain of getting stuck behind the trucks on 2 lane county roads, usually on my bike.
>>14025404
That's a dump trailer dickhead. It will never be full lest it be 3x overweight.
>>14027421
That's be cool if you did it every day. Too bad you don't. And I'm the one with the 200k rig
>>14025896
is that vin diesel?
>>14025610
>>14025596
Nope.
>>14026907
I like your truck namefag
>>14025430
I'm not sure what you mean, I've worked on bonneted macks and kenworths and to get to anything on top of the gearbox you've got to squeeze yourself in under the cab. With a COE truck you tip the cab forward and everything's just there for you and easy to get to. Do you actually work on trucks for a job or are you just a steering wheel attendant?
>>14026661
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaMHIyENzAU
>>14026334
do you actually fix trucks or just dream about them?
>>14026403
Pretty sure western star is owned by MAN, not mercedes
>>14027341
tbf, I wanted to post the average length of a truck journey in both areas, but I couldn't find any figures.
>>14027602
Looks very dangerous, needs more flashing lights.
>>14027629
Daimler owns Freightliner, Detroit Diesel, Thomas Built Buses, and Western Star. MAN is owned by Volkswagen.
>>14027636
unfortunately if these guys werent being escorted by state troopers, once they hit the highway they would have been cut off or tail gated by everyone, becomes dangerous when you are hauling a few tonnes. but i do agree, needs m0ar lights
>>14025540
I know I'm way late to this party but the first year and a half of the PACCAR MX13 was pretty grim but they have been great since then. surprisingly reliable and they're a very smooth, quiet engine. Cummins is dogshit with the worst aftertreatment on the market but definitely easier to service than the PACCAR. glider with a 6NZ or 60 Series is definitely the way to go in terms of reliability.
>>14026661
>tfw 8% grade for 10 miles
>tfw -8% grade for 15 miles
>tfw not a single straight longer than 500 ft
How fucked are you?
>>14025393
Why are Yuropoors so obsessed with what Americans are doing?
What I can't grasp is how utterly enormous American intersections must be to allow turning for a truck with a 53 ft trailer and a tractor with a 6 ft hood, a 7 ft sleeper and possibly even a stretched frame before the fifth wheel coupling or an even longer custom sleeper. That's like 80 ft of truck right there, with an absolutely horrid turning circle because the steer axle is all the way at the front and the last trailer axle is all the way at the back. An entire European semi truck is only 54 ft long, and has a shorter wheelbase for tighter turns. How many lanes do you need to make a turn in this?
>>14027857
It's fun to make fun of all the stupid shit you do to fuck yourself so hard, without even realizing it.
>>14025393
a train can haul up to 30 x more
stop clogging up the road with trucks
>>14027868
These trucks are usually accompanied by a pickup truck designated with WIDE LOAD flags. They take up 1.5 lanes
>>14027924
Speaking of which, the European way to do heavy transport is quite ingenius. The truck cab kept short to maintain manouverability with the already oversized trailers, and in turn the escort vehicle is an RV to allow the drivers to dwell comfortably.
>>14026659
>I'm sure that giant tractor means you lose 10k lbs worth of cargo unfortunately.
I'm pretty sure that ain't an issue when most of your loads are peoples' households.
>>14025393
because, by law, the longest legal trailer in America is 53' long
>>14025393
Americans are stubborn and don't like change.
Truckers are stubborn and don't like change.
American truckers combine both, as well as being backwards and afraid of progress. They like their apartments on wheels, and have 'opinions' about cabovers.
There's no overall length limitation in the US, and the cargo weight limits are lower. IIRC, their standard maximum is 36 tonnes instead of the 40 tonnes in the UK. That's why you don't see 3-axle trailers very often.
Also, that's a rigid body with a drawbar trailer rather than a semi-truck. Even in europe, those are only used for light, bulky loads like toilet roll.
>>14028042
Actually there's yet another exception which raises allowable weight. In large parts of Europe trucks are allowed to weigh 44 tons if they transport 40ft ISO containers to or from rail loading.
>>14026557
>>14027149
...and?
>>14028051
The usual weight is 40, though. That's what you see on the roads on a daily basis.
It's a shitton of stuff. America's recently shut down a proposed increase because 'smaller companies may not be able to afford newer trailers'.
>>14027868
Have you ever BEEN to America?
They routinely have 2-3 lanes each way on major city streets, just because they can. It's not like the UK, where rigid bodies have to stop halfway around a roundabout and reverse for another shot sometimes.
Or hold up traffic for half an hour while they squeeze under a bridge built by a historical figure when the railway was first invented.
>>14025393
We simply have no need for them. We have huge amounts of empty space here and the roads are generally far bigger. Cab overs are largely more expensive to build and much more difficult to service adding on additional costs for most maintenance work. They make sense in Europe but the issues that validate their use in Europe don't really exist in the US so it negates their utility. Americans value comfort highly and cab over designs are often uncomfortable to ride in long term.The same logic can be applied to Australia in many terms too. It comes down to a combination of affordability, efficiency and comfort. It's simply a difference of needs, as most US versus Euro squabbles come down to. European manufacturers even build long nose models specifically for Americas/Aus markets because of this.
>>14028417
>Has only seen US expressways
You're either funny or stupid. Maybe stupid and funny looking.
>>14028429
I love it when manufacturers make special models where they stick noses onto cabover trucks. It looks really out of place and extremely fascinating at the same time.
>>14028042
>>14028051
Just out of curiosity, that 40 tonne, what axle combination is that?
At least in Aus, a typical Semi trailer outfit (single steer, bogie drive, tri axle trailer) is a default weight of 42500kg, or 44500kg if extra mass is applicable.
>>14028502
And to iterate, that axle grouping (with extra mass) is 6000kg-steerers, 17000kg-drives and 21500kg-tri.
Some classic Big Cam Cummins K100E OC.
>>14028502
Single steer axle, single dually drive axle, singled wheeled triple trailer axles.
>>14027629
Nah WS is owned by Daimler
The 5700/4700/4900's are all currently built at the same plant as Freightliners in the USA. I currently work on the line that builds complex trucks(Western Stars/RHD Freightshakers), and my job is working directly with QC to work off quality problems before it hits the jack. The trucks were a pain in the ass when they first brought them here because we never had all the parts available and no one knew what they were doing yet. Which made my job very difficult for about 8 months, but management pulled their heads out of their asses about everything. Now we have all of our parts and people pretty much got hands on training on what to do in each station by bringing engineers in from Portland to train them. The trucks are gorgeous now, I think most on average suffer from like 1.5 QC issues per truck and most of them barring a part shortage roll through our offline/dyno/alignment processes with no issues.
>>14028539
>tfw you will never own a Western Star with the wooden cabinets and dinner table
Why even live?
>>14028548
Yea the cabinets in the 5700 are literally from IKEA lol
They were being assembled at the plant but we got a local vendor pre-assembling them now for us. They're pretty fucking nice though not gonna lie, I shit my pants when they were first being built because I couldn't believe we were putting real wood cabinets in them. I was use to freightshakers and plastic everything.
>>14028532
Fair enough.
As reward, have some 2 stroke Detroit Diesel, Australia style.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7u7Zt5Xos9o
>>14025393
i like your thread OP.
>dutchfag who's into transport here
the reason all of europe doesn't allow 1.5 trailer length trucks is germany.
netherlands already has them but they can't go to germany.
in germany the on-ramps for the autobahn are short as fuck (and also have right of way over people on the autobahn. weird).
when germany isn't playing ball, france could pick it up but they're being busy getting shot and being arrogant. (also: in france you NEED maneuverability. )
maybe if (north) eastern europe develops further they'll allow it and force the rest of europe to do as well but that'll take some more years.
why amerifats think their way of doing things is better? cause merica.
no really, they don't have length regulations but do have weight regulations. tonnage is limited.
arguments like maneuverability, safety, comfort and aesthetics are of little importance when looking at a field of industry. the most efficient method prevails.
i'm not really familiar with the discussions going on in the states but it has always baffled me how much they focus on the emotion and how little they think about actual possibilities for improvement.
>>14028574
>1.5 trailer length trucks
You mean Eurocombis? Those are already legal in all of continental Scandinavia. Honestly I'm actually a bit surprised they're legal in the Netherlands as well because not only is nothing in your country far away but you're also rather full.
Also technically they're not illegal in Germany, most states have simply declared them an indefinite testing program which means the permits are limited, you have to apply for a permit and you have to stick to an exact route.
>>14028502
Single-wheel steering axle, two double-wheel drive axles, and three single-wheel trailer axles.
Lighter loads and short trailers go onto 4*2 tractors.
>>14025804
when the frame isn't stopped but the cab is you'd be dead in any truck.
safety concern of coe vs nose trucks has mostly to do with stability of the combination.
shorter wheelbase means more maneuverability but less stability at speed. euro trucks drive 60 mph max, have smooth, multiple layered, infrastructure and there are strict regulations to driving hours.
when there is only 2 layers of infrastructure: 1 in city.
and 2. highway, 90% of the time here.
you focus on the highway driving. axles as far apart as possible is what you want.
>>14028584
>>14028532
Whelp, in one fell swoop, you two have contradicted each other. Great job. Think I'll go with this anon though >>14028584
Anyway, some 8V92 Kenworth SAR OC.
>>14028610
Maybe it's different in other European countries, but the only trucks I ever see with more than one drive axle are construction trucks that need more traction in dirt and heavy haul trucks with a higher axle load rating.
>>14028624
Are those single drive prime mover combinations rated to a gross combination of 40 tonne?
>>14028583
Netherlands is a big transporting nation and infrastructure is at a very high level so it makes sense to keep innovating to maintain that position.
although it is true that distances are short, both fuel and labor are very expensive. As transport is mostly oriented to the European market you don't see the eurocombis that often. they're mainly used for transporting flowers/fruit/vegetables i think.
if it's true what you're saying that germany actually is looking into them as well it is time to connect the networks of scandinavia, germany and the netherlands, get france and spain on board and we're talking.
>>14028635
Even forming a transit corridor from the Netherlands to Denmark would already help a lot, wouldn't it? I mean, on the Autobahn it really doesn't matter how long the truck is as long as you fulfill the hp/ton, and that's the only road you even need to get across Germany in a truck.
>>14028639
Now if only they stopped the eternal roadworks
>tfw 30km/h average between Bremen and Hamburg
![Tankauto[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Owl3rqD.jpg "Tankauto[1].jpg")
>>14028629
i think they do, pic related.
also, there's something like 1.5 axle. i'll post a pic in a second.
interesting is to look at the weight distribution of trailers. in europe most weight is carried by the trailer itself, while in the us it's mostly 50/50.
again, maneuverability vs stability at speed are the factors that decide this.
>>14028639
with the short on-ramps very long trucks make it difficult to merge at a desired speed after or in front of the truck.
but making all the on-ramps longer would also be a lot of work.
>>14028656
>1.5 axle
I gather you mean single drive/lazy axle?
Do you know what the axle grouping limits are? I guess it probably changes between countries anyway.
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>>14028656
1.5 axle truck:
>>14028660
But why would you need on-ramps when you're on the Autobahn for the entire journey through Germany, hypothetically no deviations allowed? Truck stop ramps aren't an issue with sufficient hp/ton because they're rather straight.
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>>14028670
don't know what you mean with axle grouping limits.
how many axles (in certain configurations) are allowed or something? guess it's 3 unsteered axles.
pic related is designed for new 40+ton regulations.
>>14025673
>>14025673
Not true US does have length laws. US also has laws for weight per axle. It's a lot harder to balance the weight between axles with a cab over. Just a fact of DOT laws that suck.
>>14025832
Maxxforce suck, I work for International dealer as a mechanic. The base engine is great, all the emissions and small shit it's what sucks. Good this this place is anon, I'd get fired.
>>14025862
Cheap!!! International with a Cummins, not bad.
I guess mericans can afford to be inefficient?
>>14028739
you get it. you truly get it.
>>14028569
Why is tranny ontop behind cab??
>>14028816
Wut
>>14028610
Single drive axle is the standard for a 40t truck in germany. If you want to use it for the 44t traffic with 40ft containers, it has to have two rear-axles. Also, for use-cases with a need to go offroad (construction work etc.) or in countries with a lot of snow, two drive-axles can be a real advantage.
Again, normal road vehicles are usually a 4x2 tractor with a 3 axle semi-trailer.
>>14028656
>in europe most weight is carried by the trailer itself, while in the us it's mostly 50/50.
That's mostly because the typical europen combination only has one drive-axle to lay weigh upon (about a quarter of the trailer weight can go there), while americans usually have two of those, so they can bear more weight. Weight on the drive-axle is a good thing, since it gives traction.
>>14028675
Problem is not only the truck itsself, but also that other vehicles may want to merge onto that Autobahn while the truck gets in their way. If the on-ramp is too short, those will end up parked at the end of it, since they can't make it past a road-train. Good luck getting on there from a stand-still, especially with another truck.
>>14025857
EU have something called safety standards so you're not allowed to mod a car or build a car from scratch without crash testing and going through standard procedures.
>Some states don't even have yearly car inspections or any inspections for that matter.
USA is a mix of min/max 3rd world states.
>>14028711
US has length laws, but not overall length laws. We have one law regarding the length of the tractor, and another regarding the length of the trailer. You max out the trailer-length before overall combined length becomes a legal issue.
In europe, overall length of the combination is what's most strictly regulated, and shortening the tractor allows for a longer trailer.
>>14028816
That's the ENGINE. Weight distribution!
I don't get why these trucks aren't more areodynamic. Like who gives a shit what they look like. You can cut fuel consumption by 50% if you make the whole thing aerodynamic. That's huge when gas was 4$ and it will be huge soon again.
The real reason in case anyone is wondering is because most of the aerodynamic improvements happen on the trailer. And companies have huge masses of trailers for every truck. So there is a huge cost to upgrade a trailer that is only used once a week. Makes sense for Fedex or ups to do this though, since they use the same trailers every day.
>>14028624
I'm in the UK. Less space, tighter corners, narrower roads, and until recently an anti-business government.
I think my employers were the ones pushing for the increase to 40t trucks, though. Biggest private-sector employer in the country, second biggest retailer worldwide, and the amount of tax they pay pretty much maintains half the roads in the country. Even WITH creative tax avoidance.
>>14029096
>so you're not allowed to mod a car or build a car from scratch without crash testing
That's incorrect. You can register one-off scratch built cars after a very, very thorough inspection to ensure it's properly engineered and constructed, you just can't sell it commercially without crash testing, same as everywhere else. And in terms of mods lots is possible as long as the parts have the necessary type approvals and the installation is executed properly without violating any vehicle codes.
Here where I live I see MB 1114s on a daily basis, and my dad used to drive one. How come they last for so long and people still use and buy them?
>>14029157
>You can cut fuel consumption by 50% if you make the whole thing aerodynamic
You could reduce it by 50% if you cut down the aerodynamic resistance to absolutely 0. And even then that is a massive stretch right there and only works with the worst of all ever built commercial vehicles. They are allready aerodynamically optimized a lot more than people tend to think, because a flashy "aerodynamic" total shape actually doesn't do as much as expected, while tweaking around on details can actually have dramatic influence.
The thing limiting aerodynamic optimization is mainly that it'll cut usability. If it makes the truck longer that means that either the driver or the cargo will have less room. Both isn't accaptable for most operators. Another thing is servicability. If your improvement means 30 bucks more spent in the shop it'll need to get that back. Then there's stuff like cost of course, and availability. If it impairs the driver's view on the street it's also out, or if it makes loading a pain in the ass.
Main reason why trailers aren't optimized as much:
High cost compared to rest of trailer
optimization of trailer dedpends on the tractor as well
Decreased loading capabilities are usually not accaptable (volume, weight, loading-time)
Trailers are often owned by a different company that just doesn't give a shit
Trailers aren't treated too softly. Shit might break.
Connecting and servicing the trailer can be a real bitch if it is covered in aero
>>14029206
go to africa and you see all kinds of 80s and 90s trucks.
that's where they go when emissions standards rule them out in yurep
>>14027868
A truck like that, you probably have to plan out your route really well. But a regular 53' trailer, as long as I'm turning onto a street that is at least 2 lanes wide, I will do it like pic related and it's normally ok.
If you have to turn onto a street that is only 1 lane either direction, you will have to turn from one of the inner lanes. Like if you are driving on a 2 lane road and turning onto a 1 lane road, you make the turn from the left lane. Or wait for no cars to be in the oncoming lane of the street you are turning onto and cut across that lane.
But either way, these trucks are on the highway most of the time. Or major roads. And they don't put DC's and warehouses in residential areas normally so the roads are wide enough.
>>14027857
europeans are insecure fayggots
>>14028054
is that a blackhawk helo cabin?
>>14025560
>Upside-down Alabama
Literally made me lol.
>>14028054
Needs black rims and red/orange underglow for maximum spooky
>>14029565
That was most certainly NOT the picture I attempted to upload, but it still sorta fits
>>14026676
Seen it before, it's some zany designer. The wiper blades spin.
>>14025466
>europoor cabovers break so often but because of traditional europoor designs cannot be easily or cheaply fixed
yurop btfo
>tfw I'm an amerifag and bought a cabover with a 9' (3m) sleeper cab
>behind the stock 3' (1m) sleeper cab
>because reasons
Where is your god now, opie?
>>14025404
>wasted space
There is a maximum trailer length in the US, but no maximum combination length.
>>14025874
40% more cargo room for what? I have a 48' trailer and haven't used more than 42' of it in two months. Weight limits make the extra volume pointless.
Pintle hitches are less stable and durable than a 5th wheel.
>>14026659
They usually don't add more than 6000lbs, but a lot of that is in the water tanks for the shower/sink/toilet/etc.
>>14026809
There is a company on the east coast that uses freightliner argosy tow motors to haul cars. They go by PGMT or something like that.
>>14026873
They're too old to be driven in California. They ceased standard production in 2007, and trucks that don't meet 2010 emissions standards aren't allowed in California.
>>14027086
>>14027057
Their sight distance is shorter than a truck's stopping distance, so crashes are more or less inevitable in them.
>>14028450
Go to a truck junkyard where they pull the engines /hoods/grills/etc before putting them in a yard. They all look like cabovers then.
>tfw in a 600 truck yard
>they said there are 3 units back there that are the same model cabover is mine
>can't find the goddamn cabovers
Is this a good truck?
>>14030070
>40% more cargo room for what?
Toilet roll, plastic for recycling, bubble wrap, that sort of stuff. It's also used in flatbed form for dropoffs of empty containers and pallets of building materials, because the crane can reach both equally.
Someone showed up to dump an empty container in the loading bay I work at in something like that. It was fascinating to watch him wiggle the whole thing around to get the container into the right place without destroying the ceiling, and get out of the loading bay without reversing all the way out.
I mean, I had to get it clear of vans for him, but he managed it.
>>14027560
I think its dom littlewood
>>14026720
10/10 kill me
>>14025430
>There is no such thing as a comfortable cab over
You have vener driven a new cabover then, so much better than any american truck I have driven.
But I still love having a fucken huge bonnet out the front.
>>14026922
I can't believe it
>>14026403
>Western Stars are nice though. They are custom made, not fleet or company trucks really.
They are just a shitty fleet truck in Australia.
>>14026515
That roadtrain most probably has a powered trailer halfway down. Linked to the truck, so it will be an automatic gearbox setup.
>>14025393
I've never been in a Cabover that size but in the smaller ones they're too cramped. I'm 6'2 and 170lb and the thing has no leg room. Doing maintenance on its a pain in the ass too. I will say it turns so sharp you can damage a trailer if you crank the wheel but still. Fuck that thing.
>>14026922
I like it when Australians do this but with Western Australia over Texas.
>>14028502
>42500kg, or 44500kg if extra mass is applicable.
It's 44500kg with Higher Limit Mass Management and the truck has FUPS or 44000kg with Higher Limit Mass Management and no FUPS.
Fuck yeah, K200!
http://www.kenworth.com.au/trucks/k200/
>>14028450
>stick noses onto cabover trucks.
