Are Nissan VQ's and GM 3800's the only decent v6's ever made?
>>14024626
>GM 3800's
These aren't decent and there are many decent V6 engines.
![021-100-033-T[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Is1q90m.jpg "021-100-033-T[1].jpg")
you gotta admit the VR6 is breddy cool
>>14024626
GM's 4.3 is a great engine. I've had three, and no issues with any of them.
I drove one of them for 3 months with no coolant or oil to prove a point.
>>14024780
and by great I mean durable workhorses.
>tfw drifting a 2 ton pickup with a 4.3 in it
>>14024756
Those engines last a million miles. Theyre great.
Alfa's V6s are decently powerful and sound absolutely amazing.
>>14024780
The newer v6 has quite a bit more power too. I drive a 2014 sierra for a work truck and it work's suprisingly good. Better than the 4.8 v8 from the past generation
>>14024626
I use to have a Altima SER with the vq35de and I loved that engine. It sounded great. Had good power (inb4 you need 500hp for a dd). I got rid of it at 150k miles or so and I would red line it daily and it never gave a hint of wanting to stop. Only issue it had was it burned oil but it was a common problem and it never caused any issues just would top it off ever once in a while. Only complaint was the gas mileage but overall I enjoyed it a lot and still consider buying another car with a vq in it.
>>14024803
I've never understood how alfa could make an objectively shit sounding engine configuration like the v6 sound so good.
If only someone could do the same with inline 4s.
>>14024778
>Lets play "Find the bad wiring!" brought to you by VW.
>>14024626
Isnt a 3800 just a ls1 with 2 pistons banks??
>>14025276
* less
>>14024756
Buick 3800 series 2 is a bad motor? Why? They are reliable as fuck with a decent kick when it's an l67 with the supercharger.
>VQ
>decent
VG>VQ
Professional 3800 enthusiast and shill reporting in.
>>14025264
I wasn't talking about the electronics, just the engine design and sound.
>>14025297
how does it feel having 3/4's of a LS1 you plebian?
>>14025312
>3/4's
That's being pretty optimistic.
More like 1/2.
>>14025312
the 3800 has nothing to do with the ls1
>v6 thread
>no Honda J series
>>14024626
No VG love?
>>14025290
Thank you, love my VG30DETT
>>14025440
Why does this make my dick hard?
>>14025450
Because Ford is GOAT.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nw8TItnU8cA
No.
>>14025460
YAMAHA is GOAT. ftfy.
>>14025450
Still one of the sexiest intakes out there. Also think yamaha should make some more engines
>>14024778
Hardly a V6, honestly.
>>14024626
>V6
shit
>>14025460
Ford is GOAT overall in cars.
GM is GOAT overall in engines. Except for the LT4
>>14025514
>GM engines
>good
keke enjoy your lawsuit
http://www.autoevolution.com/news/corvette-owners-file-class-action-lawsuit-suing-gm-over-faulty-ls7-engines-101075.html
>>14025514
VG and J series are good, Mazda K series is best. Das it.
Buick riviera with super charged 3800 with supercharged engine. Good or bad idea? Ive seen them as low as 2 to 3k for reasonable miles. But man supercharged with comfy interior seems pretty nice. Only issues aee autotragic and > fwd (and that horrible intake manifold), but its supposed to be a luxurious barge.
>>14025636
2004 Grand Prix GT2 reporting in (3rd gen W-body)
Anyways, shit's brety gud for a shitbox. Love my heated seats in the winter, and love my sunroof in the summer. Naturally aspirated v6 though, no problems, but only 115,000 miles though. Previous car was a 1998 Grand Prix GT. Need to do a coolant flush soon, I don't know if it's placebo or what, but the thermometer seems to get closer and closer to half-temp every month.
>>14025636
3800's are stupid easy to work on. Don't let the intake gasket set you back, you can change them yourself in an afternoon on a weekend.
GM brought out an updated aluminum gasket design that doesn't break down.
>>14025440
Dick is diamonds.
>>14025469
>muh oiling problems
nope
>>14025741
they still sound terrible
i vote for the alfa
>CTRL + F
>Duratec not mentioned
For shame /o/, for shame
>>14025786
I actually like how 3800's sound.
>>14024803
They are wonderful.. For the short time they last
>>14025772
>EZ
>oiling problems
what a dumb cvck
I love how cheap 3800 parts are.
Got two cylinder heads for $60.
>>14024626
2GR
2
G
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>>14025847
Mine literally just blew up.
>>14026019
Which one? What car?
>>14024756
This.
Nissan's VQ and GM's 60* V6 engine family are stunning examples of good V6's though.
Odd fact. Nissan's VQ V6 and GM's 60* V6 both have the same firing order. 1-2-3-4-5-6.
>>14024780
>350 V8 with 2 cylinders chopped off
>THIS IS GREAT!
>>14025463
That sounds very exotic.
>>14026130
05 Mazda 6 duratec 30 5spd
>>14025440
>>14025847
Came here to post either, early duratec is extremely underrated.
Vulcan is GOAT too, at least from a reliability standpoint.
>>14025890
thats a rather unusual thing to say
>he has 6 cylinders and they're not all in a row
>>14026154
What happened to it? What'd you do?
>>14026163
>the only decent v6's ever made
There's a bunch of great straight 6's
>>14025741
>>14025636
What do yall mean intake mani. gasket? Ive changed mine with ease
>>14026178
the 300?
>>14026158
Vulcan a shit.
There was never a time when there wasnt something wrong with my dad's old Vulcan powered 94 Ranger.
>>14026178
>>14026205
>posting ancient 100hp american pieces of shit
>THESE ENGINES WERE AMAZING DUDE
The vg33 in my girlfriends frontier is the worst engine I've ever had the pleasure of working on. Everything seems more difficult than need be.
>>14026214
ranger a shit
they were selling them in 2004 with the v6, auto
for 9 grand. and making money off them.
no that wasnt sticker price but they did it.
>>14025936
Even my EJ25 has no oiling problems. If you were autocrossing it you'd want a baffled oil pan but that goes for pretty much any car with 2 banks anyway.
>>14026214
Yes I know, I've read your story a thousand times.
Just like I've had two L67's with spun rod bearings. I think the 3.8 is the biggest piece of shit every made.
Were just both unlucky with supposedly """"""unkillable""""" engines.
>>14026225
>he shitposts for free
>>14026225
They were 100 hp fuckpiles, but 100hp fuckpiles that could be run in any condition, with no maintenance, for years on end. Barely a wet fart's worth of oil in the sump? Still ran. Fouled plugs so bad it was running on maybe 3 cylinders? Still cranked over and ran. Leaking rings, fucked valve seats? Yup. Still ran.
So yes, they were pieces of shit, but astoundingly reliable pieces of shit.
>>14026169
Idfk yet. Sounded like waterpump but low oil in it... There was oil a few days ago, who knows. I'm gna pull it apart this week.
>>14024850
Fiat abarth my nigga
>>14026283
>Were just both unlucky with supposedly """"""unkillable""""" engines.
fair enough
>>14026227
That's the chassis's fault, not the engines.
Mitsubishi had a N/A v6 for a while that was making 260hp
and also Hyundai has a 360hp V6
>>14026310
I've worked on a bajillion vulcans and at worst I've seen is broken valve springs, although they do have a few common problems.
I've got two high mileage H body's with L36's for a hangover race on the 1st. I'll see how well these meme engines hold up.
![hyundaicrate3[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/GDXY1AE.jpg "hyundaicrate3[1].jpg")
>>14026333
You mean the Lambda?
>>14026359
On my father's Ranger, the lifters failed spectacularly, sending 2 pushrods through the oil pan.
>>14026366
Lambdas with custom exhaust actually sounds good, surprised the fuck out of me
>>14026400
Yeah, they actually do sound pretty nice.
>>14026408
Some kid near me has a pre-facelift Gen coupé 3.8 and he definitely put some customers exhaust and some other shit because I heard him idling and it sounded like it was going to stall sitting at the red light, and he drove it like it was too
>>14024626
>gm 3800
>decent
nope.
GM's 60 degree 3500/3600 engines are superior in every way.
>lighter
>better head design
>more responsive
>better power
They're actually pretty good for swaps.
>>14025469
do want.
>>14026431
No shit the high feature 3.6 is better than the 3800, its brand fucking new compared to the 40 y/o design of the 3800
>>14026461
My point stands. If you're going to say a GM V6 is one of the best, at least pick one of the best GM V6s instead of some outdated lump of pig iron.
>>14026472
But the 3800 objectively falls into the "decent" engine criteria, your subjective opinion is just that: subjective
>>14026481
>But the 3800 objectively falls into the "decent" engine criteria,
How? It is bad in literally every single way other than durability.
>heavy
>no power
>sluggish
>thirsty
>>14026490
>thirsty
Wrong, objectively wrong, 3800 powered cars are typically geared very well and typically achieve 30 mpg hwy look into the Buick Regal
>heavy
Meh
>sluggish
>no power
These are the same thing, and not really, just because it was the base engine in the Camaro and Firebird didn't make them painfully slow, just painfully slow compared to the V8 and other sports cars whose main engine was a V6
>>14026283
How do you even spin a rod bearing in a 3800...
I go WOT all the time with mine and bounce it off the limiter. It's still fine.
l67
>>14026431
The 3.5 and 3500 are unrelated.
The 3500/3900 are part of the 60* V6 engine family I mentioned here
>>14026140
They are great engines though.
The aftermarket for the 3.6L is pretty non-existent at the moment, unlike the 60*, which have decent support.
Here's a turd gen Camaro with a turbocharged 3500.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1iGiyYMINQ
>>14026508
I'm a whore for GM and even I admit the 3800 is a shit engine
>>14026519
>The 3.5 and 3500 are unrelated.
3.6 and 3500.
There was a 3.5L DOHC V6 GM made as well, just to confuse everyone.
Meet the Shortstar, a V6 version of the Northstar V8, which was only ever used in Oldsmobiles.
>>14025312
how does it feel riding the bus?
>>14024778
I'd never seen or heard of this engine until just now, but as soon as I saw the image I knew the germans were responsible. Truly the mad-scientists of the automotive world.
Don't mind me, just being the best 6cyl GM ever made.
>>14026581
Fucking VW, man. Fucking VW. That thing is basically the godfather of the W8 in the Passat W8, the W12 in the Bentley Continental/Audi A8/VW Phaeton and the W16 in the Veyron.
>You'll cowards don't even mod your V6 shitboxes
>>14026632
>modding an iron-headed pig
>>14026642
Feels good man :^)
>>14026654
>3500
>less displacement than the 3800
>makes more power
>reacts to mods better
>3800
>gud
LOL. as heavy as an ls1 and a whopping 260 hp with 10 lbs of boost.
>>14026540
woudlnt know literally never take th
>>14026534
>GM lops two cylinders off the 350
>"URGH SUCH UNREFINED BULLSHIT, TERRIBLE, EVERYTHING GOOD ABOUT IT IS FAKE SHILL SLEEPER AGENTS!"
>GM lops two cylinders off the Northstar
>"ERMAHGERD BUCKETS, EVERYTHING BAD ABOUT NORTHSTARS ARE JUST FAKE SHILL SLEEPER AGENTS!"
>>14026681
>>14026605
VW make the narrow angle V engines popular.
Lancia pioneered them.
>Germans taking design advice from the Italians
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancia_V4_engine
>>14026681
I never said the shortstar was amazing. But you'd have to be retarded to not see the big difference between the 4.3 and the Shortstar
> DOHC>Pushrods
>>14026691
I'm not arguing which one is better- But pissing and moaning earlier about an industry design method par for the course at the time- Then touting something made by doing the exact same thing is disingenuous as all getout.
>>14026663
>Hating on the 3800 for no reason
>"Other people like other things and that's not okay!"
Stolen seats pls
>>14025370
Honda j-series will smoke the 3800
>>14026704
I;ve only ever said the shortstar program never came to fuition and it's interesting to think about. I've never said I would modify one.
>>14026706
Just busting your balls. Step-mom has a 3800 5 speed Fireturd. Hers was beaten on like a red-headed step-child by the previous owner, and modified poorly by an ancient boomer, so the thing is unreliable as all hell.
The 3800 is reliable but I still don't see any point in modifying them.
>>14025370
>>14026722
>honda v6
>better than a VQ or 3800
Top kek
enjoy your leaking piston rings
>best v6 thread
>no Dino v6
>>14026739
It's so hard to be a 3800 enthusiast.
Everyone harps on you.
I know this is a V6 thread but have you seen my Glorious 305? pls no bully
>>14025460
Because Yamaha is GOAT.
Know your damn historu.
>>14024778
VW fag here. VR6s are pretty cool motors. Older ones are easier to mess with. Post 2004 VAG isn't what it used to be - electronics are English tier.
Torquey, overbuilt (especially 2.8s) lots of trans options and AWD easily available. Expensive to build though.
>>14026789
Oh, and as far as motors you can stuff into Mk1 and 2s, the sexiest sounding.
>>14026768
The 305 is the turd of the Chevy small block. It's got the same stroke as the 350, but such a smaller bore. The small bore restricts the valves size you can use, and therefore restricts the power you can make with it.
I'd swap to a 4.8 myself. So much better at making power
Audi 30v
>>14026812
>>14026828
I know that feel
>>14026828
>>14026849
>>14026852
This is now a
>Post your shitboxes with shitty engines
thread
>>14026768
i know that third gen 305 life, i love it
>>14025276
No.
The 3800 is a Buick 300 V-8 minus 2 cylinders, (plus 50 years of engine development).
The 4.3 truck engine is an LS1 minus two cylinders.
Yes, this means GM produces two completely unrelated 90º V6 engines, both based on discontinued V8 engines.
>>14026158
Vulcans burn valves past 100k miles. The stock valve seats sink enough in normal operation to bottom out the hydraulic lifters, and there is no other provision for lash adjustment.
A good rebuilder will know about this issue, and install hardened valve seats, allowing the engines to run basically forever.
>>14026936
>The 4.3 truck engine is a 350 minus two cylinders.
FTFY
Find me anything that will swap over between an LS1 and the 350. The 4.3 was based on the 350, The 3800 as based on the Buick 300, and the Shortstar was based on the Northstar
>>14026980
You haven't been keeping up on the latest generation of the 4.3, friend.
It was only based on the old 350 through 2013. The 4.3 was reborn for 2014 as a sawed-off LS1.
>>14027003
*LT1
Sorry.
One letter off.
>>14027003
>>14027010
I wonder when people are going to start doing some hektik mods to the new 4.3
>>14024626
>>14025290
>VG>VQ
Lol wut
VG is heaver and needs a turbo to have the same power.
The VQ is better in everyway, no doubt about it.
Whipple 3800 reporting in.
3800 is decent except for it sounds like shit and has shitty plastic intake that cracks and leaks coolant
>>14027018
the same time someone discovers the magic mod that makes a 3800 develop power N/A
>>14027237
Heh. That mod doesn't exist lol.
I imagine doing some porting / polishing might help out a bit. I know the stock 3800 cylinder heads suck ass.
ZZP sells a set of aluminum heads for the 3800, but they're very very pricey. They have bigger valves, flow a lot better, good for .600 lift.
>>14027285
Are the valves splayed though? The aluminum head with splayed valves are one of the biggest advantages of the 60* V6's
>>14026178
are there any crap straight 6 engines?
>>14026508
>Wrong, objectively wrong, 3800 powered cars are typically geared very well and typically achieve 30 mpg hwy look into the Buick Regal
>highway mpg
Highway mpg isn't worth shit. A gas guzzling V8 car can get 30mpg if you stick to the speed limit on the highway. City MPG is a measure of how efficient a car is, and 3800 cars are thirsty
>>heavy
>meh
Ok, we think you're fucking stupid now. Weight means a lot, and a 3800 weighs a shitton, especially considering how much power it makes.
>>sluggish
>>no power
>These are the same thing
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHA
HA HAHAHAHA
You fucking idiot.
>what is throttle response
>what is being free-revving
>what is revving high
Not having these makes an engine "sluggish"
>implying any of them ever made decent power
I'll use the "performance" versions. The series 2 L67 made 240hp. 240hp NA isn't bad for a 3.8, but the L67 was supercharged. 240hp from a 3.8 with a supercharger is fucking pathetic, and shows that the head design is complete shit and doesn't flow. Consider that in the mid 90s, when the series 2 was out, the Toyota 1MZ-FE engine with the TRD supercharger made 240hp, with 3L, and at least 100lbs less weight overall.
The series 3 L32 made 260hp, and even that isn't any good considering that it was a 3.8 introduced in the 2000s.
>>14028214
That's all shit I've been saying for years.
3800 a shit.
On another note, compare the 3800 directly to another pushrod V6 of similar size, the 3900 (part of the mentioned 60* V6 engine family). Only .1 of a liter larger so not much of a difference there. But the 3900 makes as much power N/A as the supercharged L67 does., AND it's lighter! The 60* family has SO much more potential than the 3800. I just wish there was more aftermarket support for it. Granted, the support it DOES have allows you to do just about whatever you want to it.
3800 fuel economy a shit
5l larger tank than my rx7, gets an extra 100km on the highway.
driving the rx7 hard on a full tank of gas, literally driving 100% full boy racer no faggot pussy footing... 320km. 3800 shit gets the same as that driven like a granny and only being given a booting 10% of the time
>>14024850
You clearly haven't heard an uncorked 1.4 or 1.75 T-jet.
>>14025276
No, the gen 5 V6 engine are. Or at least, they ue 90% of the LT1 architecture (gen 5 GM V8). The LT1 is the direct descendant of the LS1 (gen 3 GM V8)
>>14024626
>nissan V6
Heavy as balls, and wide as hell
>GM 3800
Only thing they've got for them is packaging and a stock supercharger. I'm still annoyed by the fact they didn't make some with aluminium blocks - that would make for an even better swap-it-into-everything engine than the Buick 215/Rover 3.5.
>>14024778
Downside is that most of them are iron - which makes them about as heavy as you'd expect from an iron block, single head six cilinder. The ports are a mess as well.
>>14024803
My dream engine:
>24V Busso V6
>polsihed engine manifold off a 147 GTA
>gear driven cams
>Rotrex supercharger w/ intercooler
>Autodelta 3.7 stroker kit
Auditory, visual, and performance porn, all in one. Now, just to decide what to put it in. Could be a Giulia GTA, a GTV6, an SZ, or hell, maybe even widebody 4C...
>>14025465
>>14026780
>>14025467
>Yamaha
Yamaha can be fucking godtier.
>crossplane crank inline four supersports motorcycle
>turns the pigshit Vulcan into the heavenly SHO V6
>gets the keys to Ford's parts bin, makes the SHO V8
>designed the 4-AGE heads
>co-developed the heads for the LFA
>gets asked to build a V8 for Volvo
>volvo
>VOLVO
>makes this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQ3jXFJMVrc
>>14025514
>Except for the LT4
No, they just designed the Z06 without sufficient cooling capacity to run the LT4 for 15+ minute track sessions. THe LT4 does just fine in the Caddillac CTS-V, not overheating, not showing any issues at all. They just dun goofed designing the Z06 aero, probably took away too much airflow from the front.
>>14025591
>Mazda K series
So much this. 1.8 liter V6 with a 9000 RPM redline if you uncork it? Hell yes.
>>14026163
I like my engine's center of gravity behind my front axle line, thank you. They do sound better, but the packaging is horrid 8/10 times.
>>14026490
It's not that heavy, it just doesn't have an aluminium block (as a lot of engines had back when it was designed).
They do offer plenty of power if you do a pulley swap on the supercharger.
>>14026666
Of course it's as heavya s an LS 1 when it's already got a supercharger on top, and when it's all-iron.
>>14026691
>DOHC>Pushrods
>not liking a compact, all-alloy V6 the size of an DOHC i4, compared to an all-alloy DOHC V6 with packaging constraints similar to a V8 as far as width goes
>>14028395
found the man huffing paint thinner.
>>14028397
Where did I say I didn't like the VR6? They make an awesome noise.
>>14028380
>THe LT4 does just fine in the Caddillac CTS-V, not overheating, not showing any issues at all
ehh https://www.yahoo.com/autos/s/2016-cts-v-not-yet-one-two-punch-163032425.html
>During a few session out on the track, like the day before, the car went into limp mode and didn’t provide all the power it was supposed to have. This has become a reoccurring theme with both the Corvette Z06 and the CTS-V.
>What’s interesting about this phenomenon is that the Cadillac should be immune from overheating due to its larger intercooler and massive front intakes.
>Yet, there I was, with the same issue.
>>14028214
>City MPG on a 3800 is bad
That's partly because of the sluggish 4 speed autotragic they are usually coupled to.
The basic design of a 3800 is solid - for an iron block V6. If it'd been aluminium, it'd be very, very light for it's size.
>power
Plenty of power available with a pulley swap. They were detuned from the factory.
>throttle response
Most 3800's were put in everyday cars - meaning they were detuned quite a bit in terms of throttle response. Sort that GM crap out, and you'll have something with the response of any fuel injected supercharged V6.
>being free-revving
That's to do with the flywheel, and the load on the engine (AKA: the weight of the car). Not the engine design. A 3800 will rev very, very quickly to redline if you put it on a stand with not even a flywheel attached.
>revving high having anything to do with being sluggish
If anything, a high revving engine will be sluggish at low RPM (Which you can avoid by downshifting, but still).
>>14028214
>shows that the head design is complete shit and doesn't flow.
>implicating head design matters as much on a supercharger application
No.
>>14028408
Wierd.When motor trend tested both, on the same day, with 10 other cars on the side, only the Z06 overheated/limped/was a PITA.
>>14028412
I had an L67.
So did OneSlowGTP.
both of us agree.
the 3800 is shit
There's a fucking reason he went to an LT1 car and I went to an Ecotec car.
>>14024626
good sounding V6's:
Alfa Busso V6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lWvcQrr6sA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1O7V0jiiNw
ES/J V6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlaNyWrkkHw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mo6J53w-MzY
Ferrari Dino V6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2OlsCu1tfc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbAGyo-YOPY
Honda C-series V6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PrXFF9TGOg
Jaguar AJ126 V6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVGJus2BGA4
Lancia V6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82j9AyRVgEE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82j9AyRVgEE
Maserati V6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9D9YgMD85OM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOfG2994p6U
Mazda K-series V6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYLKzQzhneE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZkZgaZQ4WQ
Nissan VQ V6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKN-QEegWs4
PRV V6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDALaJR83ZI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHjs-pcyg8Q
VW's VR6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vYONOP-WH4
>>14026158
4.0 SOHC Ford V6's will probably last longer than human existence but they're dog shit in every measurable way
My dad has a 4.0 Ferd Explorer, it's the only reliable thing about the vehicle so I'll give Ford that.
>>14028595
Also worth noting it has damn near 300,000 miles on that 4.0 with literally nothing but basic maintenance.
>>14025971
This right here, surprised more people haven't mentioned it. Toyota's been cramming these into everything since the mid 2000s and they are just awesome motors. Powerful, buttery smooth, efficient, and reliable as all get out.
Honda j series is also fantastic, the newest earthdreams variants are underrated beasts.
I love the idea if picking up a lightly used w body impala with one of the 3.6 v6s, they are temptingly cheap, but that engine spooks me a bit with the whole DI thing and reports of timing chain stretch.
Much to the dismay of /o/'s beliefs, I bring you one of the smoothest 6 cylinder highway truck engines... and it aint an inline.
>>14028579
GM 60* V6:
3400/3500 hybrid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLVm-tS7ips
LQ1 DOHC 24 valve
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCyGSpJCOKI
2.8L/3.1L Multi-Port Fuel Injection
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndam5BQYUUQ
4.3l were based off the 350
The new gen of 4.3s are based off the LS/LT and are called ecotec V6s
The 4.3l is a shit engine at making power, it's reliable sure but you need to go about replacing everything from cam to valve springs. Honestly not worth the money and time unless you're into building.
They do make torque though, there's plenty of versions of the first gen 4.3s, some with a balance shaft and some without. Your vin tells you that. Also different versions were rated at different power.
IE my 98 s10 is a Xvin engine LP6 rated at 170 bhp and 240 ft lb of torks. Blazers came with a better version(forgot the name) and were rated at higher powers. Regardless they all came with the same shitty spider injectors which foul up and make it a bitch to start up. Also they're not upgradable.
>>14027220
Sounds like a good excuse to do a supercharged top swap. Fixed that issue and is dirt cheap with junkyard parts.
>>14024626
Honda's C30A and C32B, used in the NSX were both good engines.
The C30A was used in every manual transmission NSX up to 1996, and in every automatic model. Every manual NSX from 1997-onwards had the C32B.
Jewlopnik (http://oppositelock.kinja.com/this-accord-coupe-was-a-budget-nsx-to-unleash-your-inne-1695251769) says that the 2000 Accord had the same V6 in the NSX, but I cannot find any information elsewhere to confirm this.
The Honda J30A5 60-degree V6 was pretty damn good. It was found in the 2003-2007 (7th Gen) Accord and Inspire.
>>14024835
I've always had a soft spot for those.
I'll just leave this here.
Question: what are the factors that go into a great sounding engine.
Disregard the exhaust system and the engine configuration.
>>14029847
90 percent of it is the exhaust and the configuration. But as far as engine goes its mainly the bore, stroke, compression ratio, redline, displacement, precision of parts, valvetrain, whether the engine has variable valve timing and lift control, etc. Honestly, the configuration is the biggest factor just because different configurations require different firing orders and different types of exhaust systems and manifolds. A lot of engines with seperate cylinder banks will have individual systems for them, and some may have uneven length headers as in the subaru boxer engines, which creates the characteristic burbling sound.
>>14028214
3800's weren't meant to be high RPM screamers.
They're perfectly fine in stock form to drive grandma around at 2k to 3k RPM.
Why do you hate the 3800 so much?
They're fantastic engines, all of it's flaws have been sorted out. The only realy issues they ever had were the intake gaskets and plastic intake manifolds on the FWD cars. Both have had redesigned components put out.
>>14028259
Something must be wrong with your 3800.
Mine would get well into the 500km range on a full tank on a highway trip.
>>14029953
Its pretty much only grandmas who drive those buicks anyway
>>14024756
i think we can all be glad we have enough sense not to spew bullshit like you
>>14024835
I had a code red SE-R also. Great engine, took all the abuse I could throw at it and asked for more. Sounded wicked. I still have it, but I've upgraded to a G37 IPL.
>>14029975
The transmissions in the 'regular' buicks say compared to the GTP had different final drive ratios as well.
>>14028414
That makes no sense. Head flow is vital to anything.
>>14030139
Not if you can just turn up the boost.
>>14029777
Holy Kek, I thought five was a stretch. I never knew this even existed. What is it and do you have any good sound clips?
>>14030146
Or you could have less boost and make the same or more power but with less stress/cooling issues and in turn more reliability.
You dense faggot.
>>14030002
>mad that his favorite engine is garbage
>>14024850
>objectively shit sounding engine configuration like the v6
"No."
>>14028395
>It's not that heavy
http://www.gmforum.com/general-gm-chat-88/approximate-3800-engine-weights-267661/
550lbs with no S/C
>>14024756
Totally fucking agreed, Maybe I got one that was fucked up but the 3800 in 06 Grand Prix it blew 4 heads at ~80k and six months later after that "the block shit itself" in the words of the mechanic.
>blanket title of "nissan VQ"
You need to specify the 'VQ35DE' and VQ30DET
the rest suck
>>14030648
The VQ35HR and VQ37VHR are great, fuck off.
