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Nissan is utter shit these days, the GTR is a soulless lap machine, the 370 is pig fat and old with no successor in sight, the rest of their lineup can't compete and the NISMO name means about as much as Toyota's TRD (aka heres some factory rice and some colored bits)
I ask you /o/ where did it all fall apart and how do we fix this
>>14011007
>the 370 is pig fat
Are you genuinely retarded or do you just parrot everything /o/ says?
>>14011017
>muh glorious nipponese steel
It's simple, you get the entire world to stop buying commuter cars and get them to buy track machines and then all the car companies will make cars that suit your taste. Companies go where the money is. Unfortunately there isn't a whole lot of money in lower cost performance cars anymore.
Ive got a question for you /o/ why the fuck is op such a fucking faggot
Here is another:
If you hate nissan so much why make this thread
Also what qualifies you to have any opinion at all on auto manufacturing and how nissan is run?
>>14011035
>Also what qualifies you to have any opinion at all on auto manufacturing
You know your on an auto enthusiast image board right?
>>14011024
Both, then. I'm not arguing against that a vast majority of Nissan's lineup is shit but you're a moron.
>>14011017
It literally looks like a pig is what im saying, the designers made it look bloated compared to the 350 and any other previous Z
>>14011007
>>14011035
>hate nissan so much
I love nissan, or i did back when they made decent cars, not its convertible suv's and everything has more angles then grade 10 trigonometry, pic related is an example of their terrible decisions
>the GTR is a soulless lap machine
stopped reading there, OP is clearly a "muh feels" faggot
>>14011078
That's not what pigfat means, newfriend.
>>14011007
Hyundai is the answer. Twin turbo Genesis Coupe? Yes please! Will destroy Nissan and its kek allies.
>>14011017
>parrot everything /o/ says?
Seems to be all the rage the past few years. Memeing to get lots of responses. I'm worried /o/ is going down the path /v/ went down so long ago.
>>14011703
>OP is clearly a "muh feels" faggot
You're clearly a benchracing faggot. How does it make you feel to learn that your god machine got trounced by a 160 HP shitbox?
>>14011924
>y-you are benchracing
>proceeds to benchrace
you are fucking stupid
![zo6-oil-fox[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/fbPmPre.jpg "zo6-oil-fox[1].jpg")
Better than blowing engines at 6k miles.
>>14011703
more like a 'wish they kept it similar to older skylines' faggot, I bet you like the new NSX too
>>14011979
people said the same thing about the r32, waah its not a real skyline. fuck off kid.
>>14011924
>You're clearly a benchracing faggot
you ever driven the gtr or are you just pulling conjecture out of your ass because huur duur awd? only thing worse than a bench racer is a le supreme enthusiast faggot
>>14011035
nice try, carlos ghosn
>>14011007
>where did it all fall apart and how do we fix this
When they changed their name from datsun.
>>14011964
thats fixed now
whats your next meme
>>14012349
> fixed
Lol no it isn't
Stay ass mad
>>14012039
Except the gtr literally is not a skyline.
So, where we went wrong
>kill silvia
>let's bring it back fwd. Nah, kill it totally.
>tease with idx. Lol jk.
>kill skyline
>sincerely considering killing Z.
>>14012652
aren't the new skyline the infinity q50 or q60
>>14012677
The skyline name is dead. The skyline chassis is dead.
It has spiritual successors, like the gt86 to the ae86, but it died when the r34 ceased production.
>>14012367
>getting this asshurt when the GM engineers announced the fix ages ago
>>14012686
Waah waah it's not special enough to he a skyline! Full retard kid
Daily reminder the skyline was sold with a 4 cyl diesel paired to an automatic transmission in a fucking sedan LOOOONG before it had all wheel drive and twin turbo l6
Skyline name doesn't mean shit, it was originally a fucking family commuter
Those rwd v6 infinitis are more of a skyline than the r34 is. Fact
>>14012700
Just like how they announced they set a nurburgring time over 6 months ago? Kek =))
they lost the love of driving.
>>14011720
2015 had officially been the start, thus board has really dipped in quality this past year.
>>14012367
boomes dont break in engine, it goes boom.
Don't blame the car for the boomers inability to read "do not exceed 4000 rpm for 1,200 miles"
>>14012713
>I know more than him! REEEEEEE
Daily reminder your autism is showing.
Did I imply a necessity for an i6 for it to be a skyline? No.
What I'm saying is the skyline name has a lineage stemming from prince in the 50's, and now it's dead.
Turn the sperg down a notch, you mongoloid.
>>14012758
What's your excuse for it happening in the hands of journalists with top notch condition press cars that are gone over with a fine tooth comb before it's sent out?
Oh wait they're all driven like shit and abused right, gm would never make something bad
Gtfo ass mad fangirl
>>14012763
The skyline didn't die with the r34, it continued on for like a decade
Those rwd infinities are more of a skyline true to original heritage than awd abomination r32 r34
Sorry about the facts, not like the skyline name means anything anyway
> 4 cyl automatic diesels
>>14012786
all with fewer than 1200 miles.
Coincidence?
seriously, don't blame the car for something dumb boomers do.
>>14011007
God damn again with the soulless gtr meme. Do you realize no professional says this? Sure it may get mentioned as "not as connected to the road as this other car" but no one ever spouts this meme. The car gets constant praise whenever driven. Just because it isn't the most raw drivers car out there doesn't make it shit you fool.
>>14012793
Baby boomers are the ones who drive 10 miles a year and keep it in a bubble, never doing anything that my hurt the car
You're literally retarded kid. Keep damage controlling for GMs shit product
>>14012807
How can you blame the engine when the engineers say to do a 1,200 mile break in?
as with most vette problems, they are caused by boomers.
>>14012786
You're over complicating this.
All I said was the name is dead.
I know it's difficult to stop obsessing, but try to
>>14012800
This, the car is designed to be easy to drive. That's a hell of an accomplishment for something that insanely fast and should be praised.
>>14012813
Lol What shitty car still has break in periods? Car and drivers long term tester shat itself after the break in period btw
All the press cars that shit themselves have gone through the break in period
All the ones that died within 1k miles were driven according to the manual and fixed under warranty, so to claim they weren't being treated right is just a fucking lie. Don't blame the drivers for GMs inability to make a durable engine
You probably think ls7 dropping valves us the fault of the owner as well?
Keep suck gm cock you ass blasted fangay
Nissan turned from a failing brand into a profitable one.
And yet they still kept the GTR, the Z, and kept their other models such as the Xterra and the Frontier.
Seriously, you people bitch way too much instead of just enjoying the damn cars while they're there.
Lighten up and go for a drive every once in a while. The world isn't so dark when you leave your computer monitor.
>>14011007
>What went wrong?
This faggot
>>14012763
Skyline isn't dead, the Q60 and Q50 are called Skylines in Japan. So it's not dead they just suck now.
>>14012893
This so fucking much
If it weren't for le evil Renault boogeyman Nissan would be dead, or may as well be
No gtr, no 4wds, no fairlady, and no racing programs which although they haven't been very successful in they've done some great fucking work. They even won bathurst this year
/o/ is just full of retards
>>14012946
Better to die a hero than become a crossover maker
>>14012956
The r35 gtr is literally the best car Nissan has made
>>14012956
Alright mr. supreme enthusiast, name a major car manufacturer that doesn't sell a crossover.
I'm waiting.
>>14011007
>I ask you /o/ where did it all fall apart and how do we fix this
The answer is simple: We assassinate Carlos Ghosn.
>>14012956
kid that does not understand economy detected
>>14012970
That's not exactly something to brag about.
"I've got syphilis! The best of the sexually transmitted diseases!" Well, yea, but you still have an STD.
>>14013008
the GTR is better than any american car made in the last 10 years tho
>>14012713
>Those rwd v6 infinitis are more of a skyline than the r34 is. Fact
This is stupid to say. The new Skylines are just as far and close to the original Skyline as the R32 is
>>14013016
Partially true.
If you look at some of the smaller, more specialized american car groups, you will find some cars that can outmatch a GTR.
Even some of the bigger ones make cars like the Viper that can match it pretty well.
>>14013016
put your trip back on Alphonse
>>14013008
This makes no sense
Fuck off kid, every time you post in threads like this you fail to provide any logical reason why Nissan Renault partnership is huur duur shit but you keep shouting it like some kind of meme to try fit in
At least they aren't gm
>>14013035
prove me wrong, faggot
>>14013054
He can't. That's why he's claiming anonymous is some newfag name fag in an attempt to invalidate you claims bevause he literally doesn't have anything else to say
>>14013060
>In which Alphonse discovers the benefits of not tripping by obviously samefagging his own """arguments"""
>>14013075
put your trip back on, faggot
>>14013075
Gotta give credit to the kid. He's only been shit posting for a few months and he's got faggots like this guy so mad about his existence that they think /anyone/ who says something that hurts their feelings is Alphonse
Top fucking kek you cannot make this shit up
> show me on the doll where he touched you
>>14013053
The partnership started as shit.
first they killed a bunch of cars to kill off excess fat. Perfectly fine, even if it did kill the S-chassis.
The first clue was the new Sentra SE-R. The replaced the repliable and performance-friendly 2.0L SR20DE with the unreliable 2.5L QR25DE.
Then the 2002 Altima came along. It was a perfectly decent car, so long as you got the V6 instead of the 2.5L I4. But this led to a different problem. Now the Altima was just as powerful, more spacious, and cheaper than Nissan's flagship Maxima. So the Maxima got a new generation for 2004 that was a rush-job. The 2004 Maxima was little more than a slightly bigger V6 Altima. This meant the 4 door sports car image it had spent years to build was gone
And things got worse and worse from there until everything now has an unreliable CVT and Nissan has no tuning scene for any car that isn't over 80 grand.
>>14011703
If you had ever driven a car, you would know driving enjoyment is all about feel. There is no part of your brain that can tell the difference between a 2:00 lap and 2:05 lap. If you had more enjoyment in the latter, you'd get that car.
Fucking benchracers, man. The GT-R is a great car, stop trying to make it shit by association with your cancer.
>soulless lap machine
Meanwhile GM sells an automatic corvette which has no soul and can't even do a lap.
>>14011007
>the GTR is a soulless lap machine
I'm quite positive everyone said the same thing about the R32 GTR when it was released, it had fuel injection, AWD, and turbos - three kinds of heresy
>the 370 is pig fat and old with no successor in sight
Same could be said about the 300ZX at the time
>the rest of their lineup can't compete
With what? They make econoboxes for the econobox market. The appliances on wheels are perfectly reliable.
>and the NISMO name means about as much as Toyota's TRD (aka heres some factory rice and some colored bits)
YOU TAKE THAT BACK
>I ask you /o/ where did it all fall apart and how do we fix this
Stop inventing shit perhaps?
>>14013211
tl;dr: I am autistic and belive all people should enjoy the same thinsg as I do
>>14013193
Nissan stopped making good cars at the same time as every other Japanese manufacturer
They didn't belong in the New era if Japanese csr manufacturing
> autism rant about the fucking maxima or some stupid shit
I'm not even going to bother with that bullshit
So you have zero reason to hate and are just doing it to fit in with other retards
Gg
>>14013311
And as for the sr20, emissions
>>14013272
My problem with the 370Z is that it strayed too far from what it was originally.
adjusted for inflation, the Datsun 240Z was 20k in today's money. The 370Z starts well over that..
>>14013311
show me proof Nissan's CVTs are reliable and I won't hate them so much. If it weren't for the CVT's, I'd think Nissan's were decent daily drivers.
>>14013054
S N E K
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>>14013354
so good its going to get cancelled
http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/news/a27128/its-official-dodge-viper-production-ends-in-2017/
>>14013334
So that's the only thing you've got as a reason to hate Nissan so much? Muh cvts that have only been offered for a few years? Literally retarded
>>14013334
Nissan were trying to break into a new market then. They're well established now.
Also, the US has the cheapest new cars in the fucking world, so deal with it, son
>>14013376
>only a few years
>since 2007.
I could forgive quite a lot if they were at least reliable.
The problems with the 2.5L were fixed by 2007, and the VQ engines are great. But the CVTs have made everything unreliable. Until they get rid of the CVTs, I will rail against Nissan as hard as I can.
>>14013283
Zero reading comprehension, twists my point into something that doesn't even relate to the original, overall great response. I'm BTFO.
>>14013401
At least their cvts don't kill people
Too kek fucking flaming faggot
>>14013424
is that supposed to make me react?
>>14013445
Well you hate an entire brand because of an optional type of transmission. Mind you it hasnt been on the market for very long at all and is only used by a handful of other manufacturers. The technology is still new.
But yes you absolutely hate nissan because of their unreliable CVTs. Using that logic surely you'd hate GM for their horrible quality control and reliability, or is that just the only reason you can think of to hate on nissan without looking like a complete and utter retard?
AND LETS JUST IGNORE THE PART WHERE THE CVTS ARENT EVEN MADE BY NISSAN AND NISSAN HAS LITERALLY NOTHING TO DO WITH THE BUILD QUALITY OF THEM
>>14013490
Nissan does control who they contract to build their transmissions though.
>>14013490
>optional
The only car they have were it's optional is base model Versa's and base model Sentra's. Everything else (except the 370Z, GTR, and the pickup trucks) have a CVT as standard equipment.
Nissan owns JATCO, who makes their transmissions. Saying Nissan has no control over their CVT's is like saying Toyota has no control over the transmissions Aisin makes. Oh and Aisin is owned by Toyota.
And GM has been more reliable than Nissan since the use of CVT's became widespread. Buick alone consistently places in the top 10 most reliable brands.
>>14013513
And its out of nissans hand whether those people build a quality product or not.
Meanwhile GM cars leave the factory with a laundry list of problems all associated with in house assembly, only to be recalled a dozen times. But no, the tripfag doesnt hate GM for that. Just Nissan.
So whats the real reason the stupid cock sucking gm fangirl faggot hates nissan?
>>14013535
>The only car they have were it's optional is base model Versa's and base model Sentra
wrong. the micra, pulsar, altima, xtrail, pathfinder, patrol etc all have manual options.
nissan and infiniti places higher than chebby or caddy in this years consumer reports.
>buick alone
yes buick, and buick alone.
>>14011007
when they bought a piece of renault. now just expensive datsuns
>>14013593
>micra, pulsar,
Neither of which is available in Americal
>altima, xtrail, pathfinder, patrol
Not in America
>>14013635
so in other words,
>america is shit
>>14013075
>not one smug anime pic in the thread
>b-b-but you're just alphonse
I have a life outside of 4chan (which pertains to fuckin ur bitch). I wasn't even in the fucking thread and you're triggered by the fact that gm simply can't compete.
>>14011007
Well first of all FUCK Nissan and their Saturn symbology logo
>>14013334
Then you would have a problem with every Z after the first one. The 280ZX to 300ZX were all much more expensive than the original Z. Accounting for inflation, the 370Z is the cheapest Z since the original.
My problem with it isn't the price, because Zs have been expensive for a long time now, but it's boring. The 280ZX and 300ZX were a lot more exotic, especially the Z32. They had turbos and unique styling. They weren't perfect, but had a lot more character. The new Z tries to everything well, which for the most part it does. It's almost as fast as the V8 muscle cars but is also a lot lighter and smaller. But at the same time, the V8 pony cars have V8s. That's cool, and makes you want to buy them. Even if they are >can'tturn they have a lot more emotion than the Z.
>>14011007
It became Honda level.
I'm looking forward to see what they do with the new 510.
Nissan is shit. Deal with it. It makes pedestrian autos for housewives and their castrated husbands. Crossover heaven with CVTs.
Saw the eel-shaped SUVs and want to puke, their Infinity brand is worst offender in their design.
>>14014115
Atleast they're faster than anything gm can create.
>>14013334
So your main complaint of the Z is it cost to much than it originally did. That's a fair complaint I suppose, the Z started off as a light weight sports car. But if were comparing late 60s and early 70s sports cars prices to today...
>67 Camaro SS: 23k with inflation
>68 Mustang 302: 27k with inflation
>70 Corvette: 30k with inflation
So you could get a brand new Corvette in 1970 for 30k, where today you can't even come close to a new V8 Camaro for the same money. A V8 Camaro cost less than the new V6 Camaro.
The Z wasn't even cheap for very long. Ignoring the price of every Z after the original, the original S30 cost 9k in 78 by the end of it's life cycle. That is about 32k in todays money. The car had gotten much heavier as well, about 2800lbs. By now Nissan realized the Z has priced itself out of the entry level sports car market, and with the recently introduced 200SX to fill that spot, there was no reason not to upscale the Z.
I would certainly love if Nissan introduced the new Z as a light weight entry level sports car again. To pretend the new ones price is blasphemous against the Z name or something is just stupid though.
>>14014122
Any other brand is better than GM? What's your point?
I've owned Nissans and they were utter shit, but not as bad as the GM vehicles I've owned.
>>14014164
>gm
>better
KEK!
>>14014163
fair enough, but the S-chassis was killed in 2002 and with Carlos Ghosn at the helm, there's no chance of it coming back as the iDX concept shows us.
>>14014176
I was saying anything is better than GM.
Question mark was erroneously inserted.
>>14012755
Yeah, the amount of brand shaming, auto vs manual threads and general reply bait bullshit threads have really spiked this year. Fucking obnoxious.
>>14013388
>cheapest new cars in the world
That would be India.
US cars (and by extension most new cars in western countries) are more expensive because their base models include a lot more than a base model in a developing country. Even the cheapest new cars you'll find here have radios, CD Players (some even still have cassette players), decent crash test ratings, airbags, seat belts, and very very few come without air conditioning and power steering these days. In a developing country, those would all be premium features.
>>14014191
I think now it would be great if they downsized the Z again. The price point the Z is at just doesn't make much sense. The 30k range of sports cars doesn't make much sense for something like the Z, because it is still an entry level sports car but it cost too much. A car in it's price range needs to move a lot of volume to make money, which works for STIs and V8 pony cars because they have a cheaper model. If the Z had a cheaper model which sold a lot more that would lower production cost, and make a more expensive version profitable.
>>14012943
>http://www.caranddriver.com/infiniti/q60
>Skylines
>Suck
Get out
>>14014405
What are you trying to say? The Q60 is a Skyline, and it indeed sucks. Heres a link to Nissan Japan
http://www.nissan.co.jp/EN/
Scroll down and you can find Skyline coupe, sedan and crossover. And they all suck
>>14014618
>it's not a firebreathing 2.6L twin turbo with a needlessly complicated AWD system, so it's shit.
>>14015126
>Pigfat
>Even bigger
>no turbos
>Boring V6
>crossover
>Ugly
>Barely more power than an RB25DET Skyline
>More expensive
It's pretty much slowly lost any sense of of sports car it had. The next gen will transition even more into a numb, heavy luxury car. Looks like it could be a Mercedes. Not bad for luxury car buyers, but unfortunate for Skyline fans.
Meanwhile at Nismo:
>GTR Nismo finished
>'alright whats our next project?'
>'well we have the juke and note for small cars'
>'we also already did the 370z'
>'maybe an altima coupe or maxima'
>'or we could start a small RWD competitor'
>Nissan: NOOOPE, tune this SUV cause muh arab money
>'o...ok senpai'
Introducing the Nissan Patrol Nismo, order it in white cause it's harder to see where our racing engineers tears have eroded the paint
>>14016370
Fucking kek!
>>14016370
This would be acceptable if it had at least 800hp.
>>14014363
Anon, this is thread filled with car elitist amerifats and eurokeks, we don't care about developing nations and their underpowered crap. Pic related
>>14015259
>>Pigfat
actually, The V35 weighs about the same as a fully loaded R34
>>Even bigger
Not really. If you compared sedan to sedan and coupe to coupe, they're very similar in size
>>no turbos
no replacement for displacement
>>Boring V6
debatable. Nothing wrong with a V6. Actually, the VQ35DE is lighter than the RB inline 6. One of the chief enginers for the R32/R33/R34 was constantly trying to push them to use a V6 for weight issues, but the cost of modifying the chassis to support the engine was too great.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kozo_Watanabe_(engineer)
>>crossover
replacement for the Stagea. Just going where the market is
>>Ugly
subjective. I like how it looks
>>Barely more power than an RB25DET Skyline
Nope. the VQ35DE, nevermind the later higher powered HR versions, made about the same power as the RB26DETT, and more in the coupe.
>>More expensive
Not by much.
>b-b-but Initial D told me it was bad
Grow up. Are you seriously taking advice from a Taiwanese cartoon?
>>14014286
You are correct
but let me tell you why the corvette is shit and how the GTR beats it
>>14013008
hey jeremy clarkson, fuck off with your shitty bbc jokes
>>14013775
no you don't.
>>14017925
An R34 GTST weighs about 3100lbs. V35 is 3400lbs or more, V36 is 3700lbs. Way heavier. Comparing GTR weight to them isnt a fair comparison really.
An R34 GTST had 280ps. The V35 also had 280ps, and weighed more. The V36 has 50 more ps, but also weighs over 500lbs more. The RB25DET can easily make more power too.
There is nothing wrong with the V6, its just boring. A turbo I6 is way cooler.
Its pretty damn ugly. At best, its an uninspired luxury coupe design.
The price isn`t huge, but it is a noticeable difference. In 2000, a Skyline GT25 turbo cost about 3 million yen. A year later the V35 cost 3.6 million yen, for a car with the same power and more weight. A new V36 Skyline cost 5 million yen in Japan with a 6 speed, a massive difference even with inflation for a car that is no faster.
Nobody brought up Initial D until you buddy.
