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AWD>RWD
prove me wrong
>>14003033
sure, if you like having a car drive for you
>>14003038
assmad RWD cvckold grasping at "muh feels" detected
ill have more fun AND be faster in my superior drivetrain while you are struggling for traction, how does that makes you feel?
>tfw 19, no money and stuck with shitty FWD magna that cant rip sick skidz
>>14003033
Really depends on what you're doing.
>>14003051
AWD is superior in every condition
>>14003054
AWDs tend to have lower top speeds, but much better acceleration
>>14003033
I made my tires squeal in my aveo yesterday. FWD FTW
>>14003054
sure as hell isn't superior on fuel economy, weight, packaging, cost, reliability . . . .
>>14003054
AWD oversteers worse than FWD and has HUGE drivetrain loss.
RWD biased AWD is GOAT.
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>>14003057
>top speed
literally irrelevant
>>14003061
buy a corolla then faglord
>>14003062
>RWD biased AWD is GOAT.
thats still AWD dummy
try harder /o/
>>14003069
It's RWD until the tires start to slip and then torque vectoring distributes power between all 4 wheels and goes back to RWD again. It's AWD without the downsides of not being able to fucking turn and losing 25% of your engines power.
>>14003062
RWD + E-FWD is actually the biggest fucking fuckwin there is
>mfw no drivetrain loss when optional FWD not needed
>mfw the e-motors for the front wheels have full torque at 0rpm, beginning to pull the car to speed even before the combustion engine revs up
>mfw the e-motors for the front wheels can help active steering by applying torque depending on steering, speed etc.
>mfw it's the fucking future
It's primarily a RWD car..
The AWD only comes on in situations where AWD would help (rare) and during straight line.
>>14003054
AWD is shit on dry asphalt.
Oversteers as bad, sometimes worse than FWD cars.
It astounds me how little the posters on this board know.
I have nothing of value to really add but RWD>awd cause its more interest to watch when wet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Xb7peUUDsE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1Ezbfk2RJs
Also VL cause VL.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnmIev0rFNM
>>14003148
>AWD is shit on dry asphalt.
citation needed
>>14003152
t. Someone who has actually driven a car before faster than your 5 minute commute to the highschool parking lot
>>14003033
AWD adds weight. Weight is the enemy of all vehicle dynamics.
>>14003104
>people in this thread talking about powering all wheels off a single engine like a bunch of cro-magnon men
Step it up senpai-tachi
>>14003156
>ive driven some shitboxes and that makes race car manufacturers wrong and inferior to me
cool story
>heavy drive train
More weight to shift during acceleration, braking, or turning. That inherently makes it less stable as well as slower.
>using the drive tries to turn
I hope you like having less traction to turn
>>14003168
>>14003158
>fastest cars are all AWD
how does it feel to be wrong?
>>14003062
>>14003148
>AWD oversteers
You mean understeers.
>>14003174
Yeah, my bad, fuck. I get the two confused sometimes.
>>14003171
They all have one thing in common, too. Premature transmission failure.
>>14003171
What are you defining as fast? Straight line acceleration, lap time, etc?
>>14003059
Same thing in my Altima, but the other day
>>14003171
>how does it feel to be wrong?
>>14003180
>They all have one thing in common, too. Premature transmission failure.
>LMP1 cars have "Premature transmission failure."
how does it feel to be wrong AND stupid?
>I get the two confused sometimes.
because you dont know what you are talking about
>>14003192
>AWD is banned in F1 for being too good
thanks for proving my point
>>14003163
No one uses AWD you absolute tosser.
E-AWD is not AWD no matter how much you want to pretend it is.
>inb4 he posts a car from the 90s
>>14003198
>all wheels are are driven
>not AWD
mad you are wrong and have to grasp at straws?
>>14003196
AWD was never successful in F1.
It would be in a rain race though.
>>14003196
AWD is banned in F1 because of this horseshit
>>14003205
What's it like always being wrong? Must be embarrassing if this happens IRL.
>>14003205
>AWD fanboys have to grasp at straws and use "E-AWD" to pretend their shitbox subaru is good
kek
>>14003216
>wrong
citation needed
if all wheels are drivem it is AWD
>>14003210
>>14003214
teams cannot send the electric power to the front because AWD is banned, if it were not they would do it, like teams in LMP1
grasping at straws at this point
>>14003227
>all this projection because of massive asshurt
I dont drive a subaru tho, nice try
prove electric all wheel drive is not AWD
>>14003231
That's not awd.
That's rwd with electric supplemental power to the front wheels when the car is straight
youre the one trying to pretend this is conventional awd.
see: >>14003227
>>14003054
Except where RWD or FWD would have enough grip - because that's when the added drivetrain weight will prove a disadvantage for the AWD car.
>>14003069
>buy a corolla then faglord
Weight, packaging, cost and reliability are all pretty big things, for both a racecar and a streetcar.
>>14003080
RWD biased AWD isn't always what you describe. It can be a dedicated torque split (40%/60% for aexample), variable torque split or the ATTESSA-style where the front wheels only engage after the rears have lost traction.
>>14003104
Hybrid AWD with mechanical RWD and electric FWD is indeed godmode.
>torque vectoring (not brake vectoring) on the front wheels
>possible torque fill
>possible electric turbo's (using the high voltage system) for zero lag, allowing for bigger turbo's
>efficient all-electric city driving
>comfy mechanical RWD engine driving you at highway speeds, slowly filling up the batteries
>>14003171
Define fastest. In good conditions, with a controlled environment, consistent drive, identical engine output, chassis stifness and weight, a RWD car will be faster than an AWD car. Or at least, as long as the engine isn't excessively overpowering the tires. If both are evenly matched, you don't need an AWD system - it'll only add weight. Sure, a 1200hp Veyron or 1500 GT-R need it, but in, say an 550hp Ultima GTR with 315 Azenis R-compounds all around, adding AWD would only add weight, slowing the car down.
>>14003243
>RWD biased AWD isn't always what you describe.
I only refer to the AWD systems that are being developed in sports cars now. Not that horseshit symmetrical awd that gets you through the snow that Subaru is selling. That shit is good for getting you through the snow and shooting 1st gear across the parking lot though.
>>14003237
desu I doubt you even own a car
>>14003242
>That's not awd.
>all wheels driven
>not AWD
top kek, so much asshurt
>youre the one trying to pretend this is conventional awd.
>conentional awd
nice buzzword
see: >>14003237
>>14003243
>Except where RWD or FWD would have enough grip
they dont tho
>Weight, packaging, cost and reliability are all pretty big things, for both a racecar and a streetcar.
doesnt seem to hurt LMP1
>>14003252
>so fucking assmad he cant defend his objectively worse and pathetic "muh feels" drivetrain he throws a tantrum and begins to offend people
RWD fanboys on suicide watch
Yeah, but a civic with a few simple mods could beat a ferrari aventador
FF is the best
2000~lb cars with the best drivetrain and the greatest power to weight ratio
>>14003196
Yet AWD isn't banned in Top Fuel dragracing - but nobody uses it there. Wierd.
>>14003198
E-AWD is AWD. Otherwise it wouldn't have ''AWD'' in it's name, would it?
>>14003242
>That's rwd with electric supplemental power to the front wheels when the car is straight
Except it also powers the front wheels when cornering, it even torque vectors during corners iirc. Doesn´t that make it AWD?
>>14003253
>they dont tho
In a lot of conditions they do. Sure, on a wet everyday road on 225's you might run into trouble, but a well-maintained racetrack on 305 soft compounds?
>doesnt seem to hurt LMP1
Of course it doesn't, because LMP is geared towards energy recovery and fuel efficiency. If you want to recover as much energy as possible during braking, you want electric generators at the front. You also want your engine output at the rear, because you want to go fast. LMP doesn't allow for just generators, so yoll need motors at the front wheel, and why not, might as well use them.
If LMP wasn't as much about fuel effiency, allowing bigger fuel tanks and such, you'd see pure ICE engines powering the rear wheels again.
>>14003276
>Yet AWD isn't banned in Top Fuel dragracing
>drag racing
top kek
>>14003282
>drag racing
>AKA the one racing series where everything but grip, weight and power is limitless
>not the perfect scientific control for AWD vs RWD
>>14003033
ITT: People who have only driven FWD bitch about RWD vs AWD
I like RWD because it's more fun.
>>14003276
>but nobody uses it there.
Probably because of weight and complexity
And at those power levels it probably won't be that helpful
>>14003250
>tfw you drop the clutch in your awd shitbox and the flywheel separates from the engine and shears through the firewall, decapitating your leg at the knee and turning you into a cripple for life
t-thanks awd
>>14003336
>straight line "racing"
>relevant
>>14003366
>weight
Not much of a concern with 500ci supercharger bigblocks sitting behind you.
>complexity
valid point, you need teardowns a lot
>won't be helpful at those power levels
Especially at those power levels. An ounce of grip would give you massive advantages.
>>14003384
>straight line racing
>not valid for AWD vs. RWD comparisons in terms of grip
>>14003393
sorry anon, roads have corners
>>14003373
>he doesn't use a kevlar scatter blanket
>>14003396
Roads also have straight lines.
>>14003399
Nigga I'm going to the drag strip not Compton
>>14003401
and the funny thing is AWD is faster on both
>>14003171
Koenigsegg Agrera R is RWD anon.
>>14003409
>funny thing is AWD run 4 second quarter mile
Oh wait they don't.
>>14003033
>>14003054
Rwd will smoke most any drivetrain in higher grip surfaces. Apply more throttle, weight shifts to rear giving more grip and ability to power out of a corner. They're also usually the most balanced as you have the opportunity to put more weight over the rear of the car. Or put the engine as close to the firewall and as low as possible.
Awd works best in low traction surfaces. Which is why it dominates rallying, it can put the power down. But it can overwork/load the front just like fwd. Its also nose heavy because of how they have to send power to the front. They're also always heavier than fwd or Rwd.
Or should we contact, Porsche, Ferrari, Lamborghini, McLaren, Lotus,caterham, radical, Chevrolet, Dodge, every F1 team, every DTM team, every WEC team and tell them they're all doing it wrong lol
A real life example would be Mercedes AMG vs BMW M vs Audi RS, Audis beats Mercs and BMWs on standstill races from 0-100 mph and that`s pretty much it, they understeer like shit on tracks and are getting raped by their RWD counterparts (BMW, AMG)
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>>14003425
>top fuel dragster can Lap a circuit
>top fuel dragster can Lap a circuit faster than an LMP1
keep grasping at straws
drag racing goes on >>>/kgbt/
>>14003444
you are wrong tho
>every WEC team
yes, they all use AWD cars
>ICE for rear
>electric for front
>completely different torque curves
>half the time the car acts like RWD, other half FWD
>constantly getting under and oversteer
memes
>>14003458
**They all use RWD cars with supplemental electric FWD when they need the acceleration.
Now please stop comparing LMP1 cars to your subaru forester and audi a3
>>14003402
>not using a scatter blanket or scatter shield at the drag strip
Just asking to lose a leg
>>14003491
see: >>14003252
bus riders / please exit to the left
>>14003498
see:>>14003258
stay mad and slower RWDkek
>>14003461
It's almost like you think it's 1963 and that those fancy new computer things will never take off
>>14003458
true, SOME lmp1 cars can enable the front wheel drive for a short time via KERS only for better acceleration
>>14003033
>wanting to have a computer do all of the driving for you
I mean come on
>>14003057
My mr2 launches better than any Scooby-Doo I come across, and I'm usually neck and neck with evos. Not really m8.
