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>less moving parts
>still way less reliable than all others
Why
something something apex seals
>>14001310
Currently more reliable than FCA, BMW, ford, GM, Audi, VW, Mitsubishi and a bunch of others
>>14001310
your statement is false. It is more reliable, you just have to know how to maintain it.
Rotory got a bad rep because most people that bought it didn't even know they were buying something other than a piston engine. Shit should have came with a pamphlet.
>Less development than piston engines
>Inherently-flawed combustion chamber-sealing design unless expensive materials and fine tolerances are used, both of which raise cost
>Lubricated combustion chamber causes oil burn, increasing emissions and adding a maintenance aspect that many buyers don't take into account, leading to engine failure
>Inefficient burn, increasing emissions and lowering manufacturer incentive to further develop the design
Basically doritos can be reliable but they need more maintenance than normies care about.
>>14001423
>more maintenance
I don't understand why people say this.
Changing oil is more maintenance?
What's the more maintenance part?
I DDd an FC for 7 years with over 200k miles when I sold it running with good compression.
I just don't get people's point if view on these cars
>>14001310
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUBhJM2An34
>PREMIX
>R
>E
>M
>I
>X
Faggot spells it all out in the video, it really is this simple.
Source - video creator (30 year Mazda Rotary mechanic, has over 15 magazine articles published on him, raced in the last 24 Hours of LeMans race at (cant remember the track but it shut down not long after that race) as well as many other accomplishments in the car industry.) says that I shouldn't waste time funposting and that boosting the shit out of a Wankel engine is the only way to truly be an enthusiast.
>>14001310
Reliable? Yes.
Durable? No.
Learn the difference, kiddo.
>>14001360
This statement is only half true.
>>14001470
This anon knows what's up.
Rotary engines are reliable for the most part, but it is inevitable that the apex seals will wear and you will need a $5k engine rebuild.
So, what if Mazda used diamond-like carbon coated rotor gears, dry film lubricant coated seals, and sealed ceramic roller bearings? Then they wouldn't just fix the oil consumption/premix issue; they'd be able to remove the lubrication system entirely.
>>14001463
>raced in the last 24 Hours of LeMans race at (cant remember the track but it shut down not long after that race)
24 Hours of LeMans is at Circuit de la Sarthe. It's still going on.
>>14001505
>$5k engine rebuild.
Are they really that expensive?
I was always under the impression that they were relatively simple to rebuild like two-strokes.
>>14001510
What if Mazda used diamond rotors?
>>14001516
my dad (30 year porsche mechanic, has over 15 magazine articles published on him, raced in the last BMW M1 race at (cant remember the track but it shut down not long after that race) as well as many other accomplishments in the car industry.) says its pasta
>>14001722
They would probably catch fire. Diamonds burn fairly well.
>>14001752
my dad (30 year faggot, has over 15 magazine articles published on him, performed in the last poor little white guy (cant remember which one, probably all of them) as well as many other accomplishments in the OP industry)
>>14001440
>inb4 the engine was rebuilt twice before he got it
>>14001648
They are cheap to rebuild. Depends on what broke and what didn't. It could be as little as $500, or 3k. Generally they are on the cheaper end, but if you have to replace housings or rebuild turbos it can get expensive.
>>14001944
Nope
>>14001648
In total I paid under $2000 for my rebuild. BUT I did the work myself. RA apex seals, all new side seals, new bearings, lapped and nitrated plates. Street ported. Its not that expensive. I have basically a 0 Mile engine for 2K. How much would all that work cost for a piston engine?
>>14001310
>>still way less reliable than all others
It was designed by a German. Truly way ahead of his time.
Wankles are reliable to an extant that its almost impossible for it to have a catastrophic failure.
Like all 3 apex seals can go, and the engine still still run. Like utter shit, and maybe make 30hp, but it will still turn.
This is why its very popular in small aircraft. That and it has no issues maintaining 100% throttle for 10 hours straight.
But it has issues. Needs to burn oil to function. Premix, or spray.
And the rest everyone knows.
>>14001310
Wankel engines have alot of cooling problems, since at least some part of it is always in a combustion "stroke".
>>14001470
>Durable? No.
Hahaha such golden nuggets from the "reliable dependable durable" crowd.
But I think these criteria are not general and subjective enough. How about we add more vague criterion like "loyal", "staunch", "faithful" etc.
Eg. Potential anon statements about rotary engine with broadened lexicon of trite cliches:
>Trustworthy? Yes
>Loyal? No.
>Indubitable? Yes.
>Faithful? No.
We can advance shitposting if we work together.
>>14001310
>thinking more moving parts means less reliable.
I seriously want Chevrolet to make a DOHC V8 that its not any less reliable than the LS just to shut you all up.
>>14004432
>Wankel engines have alot of cooling problems
No
>>14004496
what the fuck are you on about? Rotaries are significantly effected by overheating.
>>14004522
Yes but they don't have cooling issues
>>14001782
sweet sweet carbon bonding
>>14004448
If they could, thy would. They've tried but they can't get their heads far enough out of their asses to sort the reliable part out.
>>14004597
wasn't the orgianal C4 ZR1 quad cam?
>>14004669
Developed by Lotus, not GM, I think.
My bro had an na fc with over 200k maybe 300k no rebuilds
It's just forced induction that rapes longevity
Can't speak about the rx8
>>14004682
This theres a reason boost in apex seals out is a meme. N/a rotary engines with a proper maintenance schedule will last a very long time. Everyone just boosts theres because they take it so well and make crazy power. Especially with methanol injection.
My new toy. Not road legal yet. Have to replace the drivers side wheel bearing. It wobbles like a son of a bitch.
WAAAH WAAH CHANGING MUH OIL EVERY 3k MILES IS SO HARD
ROTARY SO UNRELIABLE MUH 200K MILES MUH 1k REBUILD THAT TAKES ONE AFTERNOON
MUH NEVER MIND ALL THE PISTON SHIT ENGINES WHICH ARE FAR MORE UNRELIABLE OH NO THE ROTARY IS WORSE BECAUSE I SAID SO BECAUSE I HAVE LITERALLY ZERO EXPERIENCE WITH ANY CAR OF ANY KIND AND AM JUST REGURGITATING CONJECTURE I HEARD FROM A BOARD FULL OF NO CAR RETARD FUCKS ON AN ANIME WEBSITE
>>14004762
You rotary fags really try defending that rebuilding your engine every 100k miles is a feature, huh?
Meanwhile, Piston Engines routinely enjoy going 200k strong before needing any major repairs.
But then again, what would a faggot like you know about cars?
>>14004779
literally right after
>>14004682
>>14004751
great another shitbox on the road
>>14004789
>OMG A GUY ON AN INTERNET BOARD SAID IT HAPPENED, IT MUST BE FUCKING TRU!!!! XDDDDD
Also, Rotary engines use Unicorn piss as lubrication.
>>14004779
>Piston Engines routinely enjoy going 200k strong before needing any major repairs
as do rotary engines. and they will do it with nothing but oil and spark plug changes where as piston shit engines need FAAAR more maintenance, and at more cost
>>14004751
>no sunroof
Awesome
>4lug
Damnit
>>14004354
300 for rings and bearings, 300 for a gasket kit and $500 to get the head done up. So about 1500 all up.
>>14004798
What the fuck are you talking about nigger? The only thing a piston engine will 'need' as oppsoed to a rotary engine are a couple of belt changes. If you consider that 'AFAR more maintenance' then you're a broke fucking nigger.
Christ, you rotary fags are a special class of retarded. Keep feverishly defending your retarded choice in engines, that'll certainly bring them to mainstream appeal.
>>14004803
who cares about lug nuts?
>>14004836
>get btfo
>resort to insults like ass mad little faggot
top kek bitch boy
>mainstream appeal
oh look we got one of those losers, if it aint popular it aint good!
go back to busting your knuckles trying to get spark plugs out of a subaru boxer, hopefully your headgasket doesnt shit itself!
>>14004838
4 lug had smaller brakes
![scotty-kilmer-complains-about-recent-bmws-video-58353_1[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/e4bzKS4.jpg "scotty-kilmer-complains-about-recent-bmws-video-58353_1[1].png")
>>14004838
this guy
>>14004528
>significantly affected by overheating
>doesn't have cooling issues
Do you understand how retarded you sound?
>>14004850
How did I get BTFO you retarded nigger? I explicitly stated that the only additional maintenance a piston engine would require as opposed to the oil change/spark plug changes you mentioned are belt changes. Which is completely inconsequential. Is your best comeback to call me an 'ad hominem faggot?"
What's the matter rotary fag, am I shattering your distortion bubble?
I'm interested in a rotary but haven't really looked into it too much. What car is the cheapest car that has a rotary?
>>14004862
>cooling issues
youre retarded. a rotary can literally run around a track all day long and not suffer from any heat issues.
meanwhile this piece of fucking shit (a car with actual cooling issues) shuts down after a couple laps.
>>14004871
Probably a mid-00's RX-8. However, in getting one, you've got to be careful that you don't pick up some 'boyracer's first toy', else you'll probably be on the hook for an immediate engine rebuild once you get it, setting you back 1k-2k.
>>14004869
>huur duur rebuilds
>huur duur muh piston engines goes 200k
>point out that rotary engine also does 200k easily with /less/ maintenance than pistonshit engine
>insults
changing belts arent as easy as you thing btw, maybe you should own a car some time yeah and learn for yourself. or do you think the things that need changing are the accessory belts?
>>14001310
Dunno, the sticky also says maintenance is more expensive and fuel economy is shit on a rotary. I couldnt tell you why /o/ circle jerks on them so hard. Usually they will shuck and jive well jabbering abou hp/L but this is just ricebabby shitposting and everybody knows it.
>>14004880
How much do those normally go for? It would be a weekend driver and not really a DD so I'd have time to invest into it.
>>14004871
>What car is the cheapest car that has a rotary?
FB or FC RX-7. You can find rough but running examples for under a grand.
>>14004887
>Changing belts isn't easy.
Maybe to a rotaryfag, but to anyone who isn't mechanically retarded, even doing a timing belt/water pump is, at worst, an afternoon job.
With your last spout of retardation, you've completely proven that you have no fucking idea what you're talking about and that you just jack off to Doritos engines hoping that they'll become mainstream (protip: they won't.). You're washed-up, rotary baby.
>>14004909
Prices for these things tend to be all over the fucking map. You'd really have to research your area.
>>14004900
i never understood the fuel economy is shit part. How's it shit when compared to other cars with same HP, isn't it like pretty much the same more or less ?
>>14001648
No, a rotary rebuild doesn't cost 5k. that Anon doesn't know what he's talking about, or he's intentionally trying to mislead
>>14004962
what if it costs differently in different parts of the world ?
>>14004919
Yeah bro those timing belts audi v8s so ez
So let's get this straight,
> rotary will get to 200k requiring easier and less maintenance
> you are mad about this and continue throwing insults around
Kek
what's the matter bud? Have a hard time today trying to get spark plugs out of a boxer engine? Or maybe you own an ls engine and your valves decided they wanted to be closer to the pistons
>>14004779
10/10
>>14004970
The most expensive place to rebuild a rotary is probably Australia or NZ, and it's STILL cheap here.
Goys I'm getting scared.
I have locked a 1997 FD3S in my country going for 9,400USD.
It's way too cheap I think, looks clean but I haven't got the chance to see it in person.
I would buy it but were I live there is 0 (zero) rotary specialists, so that'll mean I have to learn how to do it.
Engine rebuilds, how hard are there.
Also pump gas everywere is 87 (91-93 in other cities), only reason I got tired of dding my supercharged tacoma
>>14006887
Also I plan to drive it for 2 or 3 weekends every month, plan to keep it stock, upgrade it later on for 400-450hp.
I got a mountain road nearby that I'd love to cuise
>>14006887
>>14006927
Just stick with a Corolla
>>14006887
You can't run it on 87. Don't even try you WILL kill the engine. 91 absolute minimum although 93 is a better minimum.
Engine rebuilds are easy, I did mine myself when i was 16 but im really good with anything mechanical.
Aaron cake has a bunch of long videos on youtube going through the process if you want an idea of whats to be expected.
With rotaries you rebuild it before it blows, otherwise it costs 3-4x as much.
>>14007017
>>14006887
Also if you do plan on running 91 get a good meth system with safeguards. If it has a power fc or another tuneable ECU you could also pull some timing.
>>14007017
>>14007030
Or maybe anon just needs to stick with a Corolla.
>>14007017
Fuck
Most people here know jack shit of that kind of stuff so it probably has been ran with 87 octane all its life.
Maintenance might not be that hard, but gas of all things sounds like the thing killing my rotary wet dream
>>14007128
Br/o/ you're thinking too hard. Relax. Turn your jittery brain off. Don't worry, just get one of these
>>14007137
I got one already fuck, are you some kind Toyota dealer?
I also have supra, just help a brother achieve rotary orgasms
>>14007175
Well bro, as a fellow Toyota man, let me say fuck Mazda they're second rate unreliable trash. Stick with a winner.
>>14007190
but Mazda's corner and goddamn those gearboxes
also doritos, bro, you don't like triangles or something?
>>14007190
Mazda is near top rated in reliability.
>>14007234
>20k apex seals
vs
>300k Corolla reliability
Think about it. Mazda can't even compete.
>>14007190
>>14007234
I love both of those, and hairy animal titties.
but I really want to own a rx7 and you guys aren't helping.
I'll pretend my truck is one. Fuck.
>>14007268
oh, 7's were great, but they're hard as balls to find nowadays. It's either a car that you're going to have to spend a lot of time fixing up (FA-FC), or it's going to cost you an arm and a leg (FD). I was looking for one myself a little bit ago and most of what I found for sale was old FA and FB's with between 130-200k miles.
Feel the call of the brap!
>>14001310
>>14007242
>20K rebuild meme
Simply ebin
Turns out I get 93 just 10 km away from here, is it really 9,400usd ok for 1997 FD3S? Sounds like too good to be true
Might go buy it next friday, here is a picture of it
>>14007393
is this real life? get a compression test and if it's good holy shit buy that. How many miles? Most of the FD's I found (especially unmolested ones) were asking $20k +
>>14007393
Engine bay
>>14007406
The closest I can get to a rotary compression check is sticking my penis inside the intake, I live in a shit hole.
Would be easy to export to the US if you're interested, could go check it out for you if I can't buy it.
>>14007407
yikes that shit is hacked up
>>14007474
So, it's fucked?
Don't recommend it?
>>14007484
i see zip ties, clamps, bent frames and some dodgy wiring. not to mention it appears the entire front end looks like he hit a pole.
>>14007438
if you live near a mazda dealer they should be able to do the test for you, otherwise, any coughing should make you think twice, and if there's pinging forget it, the engine's toast. See if the previous owner premixed (hopefully he did), and look to see how freely the thing revs. It should easily swing ~1k revs just tapping on the pedal.
>>14007474
how so, it looks like aftermarket stuff I've seen on other rx-7's. What stands out to me is what looks like insulation tape covering the turbo, which is odd, granted, but not necessarily a terrible thing. What am I missing something?
>>14007510
>front end looks like he hit a pole.
That's how they all look, quick google search will confirm.
Z...Zip ties aren't that bad... are they??
>>14004945
combustion chamber is a square, it isn't particularly effective at turning fuel in to go.
tl;dr - bsfc is higher than comparable piston engines
>caring about fuel consumption in a sports car
>>14007407
>FMIC and single turbo
>painted or ceramic coated UIM, Greddy elbow, and piping
>$9000
They're going to mug you. Also, they don't even have the car.
>>14007407
This looks like a fairly typical mod people did on FD's, going from twin turbos to a single, bigger turbo. Looks like the owner also replaced the OEM intake ducting, intercooler, and if I had to hazard a guess, also the radiator, all of which were fairly typical things to see done to 7's
see >>14007559
also >>14007474 and >>14007510
are massive faggots, disregard everything they say.
>>14007520
>What stands out to me is what looks like insulation tape covering the turbo
That's a turbo blanket.
>>14007531
never knew it came with that wierd bend on the inside hood that the zip tie is holding something large onto with the self tapping screws holding a home made radiator support bracket together along with other self tapping screws holding the relocated hood latch along with other oddly placed self tapping screws and metal bits on the same rail.
oh well, must be my eyes playing a trick on me.
>>14007520
>insulation tape
turbo beanie/heat blanket/heat shield/whatever else I've seen them called
keeps the heat in the turbine and out of the bay, and also marginally (100~rpm) improves turbo spool because more heat kept inside the turbine = more energy for spooling
>>14004874
Alphonse pls go and stay go
![engine_bay[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/qEADtBA.jpg "engine_bay[1].jpg")
>>14007617
Mazda's plastic is trash. The car is 20 years old. It's not unreasonable that stuff is held in by zip tie instead of relocated.
Also, apparently the Dominican Peso is utterly worthless. That car is easily worth $10k usd. I don't know if it's worth it in 440,000 DOP.
>>14007510
That's what got me thinking.
>>14007520
I'll contact a dealer, but it's 200km away, owner might not agree to checkup.
>>14007559
That means it's too good? Also don't care about mugging, although 93 gas is hard to get here a M16 isn't.
>>14007582
Knew it, sort of, but it's kind of scary the way things look, reminds me of a ghetto 600hp build FB with lots of shit welded horribly
Pls anons you're my only hope.
>>14007617
stop embarrassing yourself, other than the zip tie, everything about the hood latch is 100% OEM. I told you, a google search will reveal EVERY rx-7 has that EXACT SAME hood latch assembly that you think is some botched home shed job. Not only that, what's being prominently displayed is not the radiator, which sits well below what you can see in the picture, but the fucking intercooler, you dimwitted faggot. That intercooler assembly is entirely normal aftermarket, with what looks like maybe 1% improvisation (that zip tie).
At least do some research before you start spouting off like some puckered ass.
>>14007669
>too good
No, I'm saying that exchange rates can't be trusted. If that car isn't beat to shit inside and out it would probably go for at least $15k USD, probably higher.
I'm not familiar with the DR so I don't know if the car is worth 440,000 DOP.
The front of the car is fine, see
>>14007650
The wiring, while not proper doesn't look bad or expensive to correct. The most concerning thing I see in the pictures is the AST which isn't in the stock position and I don't know how it's mounted. (mine is held where it's supposed to be by a [queue shock] A ZIPTIE)
>>14007650
It is worthy if it works at least, that money would buy you an used 2010 corolla, so it's mind bogglingly cheap for what it is, if it runs obviously.
Also don't come to this shit hole unless you're going on a vacation
>>14007617
>>14007697
It's ridiculously cheap for this country, I live in Germany, and these go for fucking 16k €, here that'll be around 900kDOP
>>14007393
>>14007438
>LHD 95+ RX-7
Wat? This is a thing? What trim level is it?
>>14007739
I'll have to go check that up in person tomorrow, found that weird too.
>>14007739
They were made until 2002 in glorious nippon, brotato.
>>14007615
>>14007773
He means in Left Hand Drive (LHD). If they were made in Japan they would have been Right Hand Drive (RHD), right? Same goes for 'Straya which is like the only other place they saw sale those years.
Do the Kiwis drive left hand? maybe made for export there? I know the Caribbean gets a lot of everyone else's left overs, so it's not unusual to see cars there from the pacific and europe.
>>14007795
nz is rhd as well
south korea is left hand drive, dunno if they were sold there past 95, though
>>14007810
if it's a LHD conversion that's another thing to be weary about. I mean I've never heard of anyone actually doing a LHD conversion for a 7 but I suppose it's possible.
>>14007795
>>14007810
JP, SK, UK, AU, and NZ are all the RHD countries. I wouldn't think Mazda would continue bothering to make the LHD version for the rest of Europe after they stopped making export models for NA. RHD vehicles are fairly common in LHD Europe, as I understand it.
Thanks guys, I messaged the dealer's owner.
He agreed to do a checkup at a mazda specialist if I had proof I'd buy the car if nothing is wrong.
I'll post results tomorrow.
Next up in the list is an NSX for next year.
have pussycat mamaries as a reward
>>14007842
Yeah, I don't know how big the Mazda export market is to Guam, and idk if they ever exported to china or SK (SK is LHD, btw- they drive on the same side of the road as us.)
>>14007891
that's awesome b&. GL and I hope the car runs fine. If it is you're in for one hell of a ride, hehe.
>>14007915
I get it kek
>>14007788
>>14007615
nigger
