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Are modern Dual clutch transmissions still autotragic?
They aren't automatic or manual, but they're definitely tragic
Yes because they receive shifting information and input from a range sensor and a computer instead of from the driver.
The flappy paddles are still computer-assisted and will up shift if the range sensor detects you are at redline so that doesn't count.
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>>13992790
They are automatic. Every DSG has a "D" mode that shifts automatically. The GTI has like 10 billion other modes that will get used approximately 5 times in the car's life.
Flappy dick gearboxes are for c u c k s and preppy boyracers.
>>13992874
>>13992782
Automatic is usually defined as having a torque converter.
If it lacks that then its somewhere on the manual spectrum.
>>13992782
Yes, they are still automatic transmissions.
>>13992885
Automatic = shifts for you
Come on.
>>13992885
>Automatic is usually defined as having a torque converter.
No.
>>13992806
>>13992874
>we have to put it into one of these two categories despite it fitting in neither!
These questions/threads are like saying "are Asians black or latino?"
>>13992885
>usually
I would define automatic as "shifting the car between gears, automatically and without intervention after the initial first selection".
Also, what about CVTs? Some use torque converters, some don't.
I know they're a blasphemous abomination, but they are autos too.
>>13992908
1.) It's not like that at all, that's a shit analogy. Asian, black, and latino are all equal in their meaning and intent. It would be like saying "Are Jews trustworthy or scheming?" If Jews are transmissions, it's just a matter of determining whether they're a manually shifted Jew or an autokike.
2.) You didn't bother to give it a category, you just said "NO!" without offering a better solution. Come up with a new name for it, like semi-automatic or something. But not semi-automatic, that's not original enough.
>>13992902
>>13992907
Believe what you want to believe kids, but torque converters have equaled automatic pretty much since the 50's and anything with a physical clutch is a manual.
Automated manual yes but a manual nonetheless. If you start interchanging the term it gets pretty confusing.
So as it sits you have the following.
Automatic = Torque converter
DCT= automated manual
Cvt= magical wizard belt box
Manual= Manual.
You're the same idiots who probably think sequentials are autos too.
>>13992957
Your argument is done and there isn't anyone here who is buying it. You're objectively retarded.
>>13992914
Your definition does not work for DCTs, whether they have a "D" mode or not is determined by the software. Is a California T an auto and a 458 Challenge a manual despite both having 7 speed Getrad DCTs?
>>13992945
Why would I bother giving it a category? It's a DCT, it works differently than an auto or manual. Is there some mental affliction where people obsess over categories and get upset when they perceive something as miscategorized or uncategorizable? Sure seems to surface a lot on the internet.
>>13993002
DCT are fun to drive yo.
those perfect rev matched shifts, hnnnngggggg
>>13993002
Or maybe you've made a mistake but feel the need to endlessly defend your tripfag honour by fighting every single person who presents a better argument than you.
An automatic transmission requires no input to shift gears, beyond the initial selection of a single drive mode.
A manual transmission requires the driver to manually select individual gears each time he wishes to shift. This doesn't need a clutch, but it will not shift to a different gear without driver intervention.
My categorization is far better than yours, you know it. Stop being such a shameful shitlord, this kind of behaviour is why everyone here dislikes you.
>>13993002
wow you are literally the transgender-advocate for transmissions
congrats on being so progressive, zir
>>13993087
whoa whoa whoa, heartbreaker perfers to go by xer, and xre. Get out of here with your zir bullshit.
>>13993035
>>13993046
So your guys answer to my question is a California T is an auto and a 458 Challenge car is a manual despite having the same transmission?
>>13993131
Stop moving goal posts and deflecting you stupid fuck, make the determination yourself.
Does the driver have to manually select each gear? Or is there an option that allows the vehicle to automatically cycle the gears without driver intervention?
Autos can have a manual mode, but manuals cannot have an auto mode.
>>13993148
I don't "make the determination" because there is none to be made, nor have I moved the goalposts whatsoever. Your criteria on a DCT car only concerns the software, not the transmission.
>>13993166
Then the software determines whether it's automatic or manual, doesn't it? Use your big boy brain, nigga.
![Clutch-Pedal[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/YscTRx7.jpg "Clutch-Pedal[1].jpg")
If it doesn't have 3 pedals it's not a manual
>>13993169
My brain allows me to understand that not everything must be shoehorned for some odd reason into 2 categories, that extreme out of the box thinking might be the reason I get paid to work on DCT equipped cars.
Any /k/ posters getting reminded of "are Glocks single action or double action"?
>>13993193
Glocks are triple action you nigger.
Like the kind your mum gets from those brown boys who clean her gutters.
>>13993190
Truth.
>>13993190
>automatic cars with parking brake pedals
>therefore manual
![Dead%20Pedal_04_zpszin9oene[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/c7xM5MX.jpg "Dead%20Pedal_04_zpszin9oene[1].jpg")
>>13993229
>semantics
you know what I mean
>>13993254
No I'm FARTBREAKER I don't know what you mean please argue incessantly for an hour about something you know you're correct on, but which I refuse to acknowledge my wrongdoing.
I AM SHITPOSTING TRIPFAG.
WITNESS ME.
>>13993002
>>13993193
oh wow you said something i agree with for once
it is an automated version of a manual gearbox. keyword automated, which makes it automatic.
and yes, volkswagen's DSG is better for performance than a standard stick in most cases. that's why most modern super and hypercars have them.
autotragic means automated anything including dcts.
slushbox means torque converter.
dcts in automatic mode are just as bad as any automatic. a computer cannot and will never be able to pick optimal gears for certain situations.
a dct in manual mode depends entirely on the cost of the unit. some are good, some are fantastic, some are absolute shit. even in 40k+ cars they can be shit.
from a racing perspective I dont think anyon would argue that a quality high cost manually actuated dct will ever be worse than a standard manual from a pure laptime point of view.
>>13993016
My rev matching is better.
>>13994319
Ditto. DCT = Dubbel C U C K Tranny
Why don't they make a dual clutch trans with a stick shift and either no clutch pedal or have one clutch controlled by the pedal and the other by the computer?
>>13994709
think about it a bit longer
Have DCTs been around long enough for people to start tinkering with them? I doubt it would be that hard (for someone who knows what they're doing) to fuck around with the wiring and control the clutches manually through a dummy pedal wired up to an electronic switch, and probably some circuitry to engage the correct clutch based on what gear you're in and what gear you're shifting to.
>>13994319
Yeah bro? I bet you use the clutch.
I'll have you know i removed my synchros because weight reduction.
>>13994709
>>13994747
>>13994709
>>13994747
Welp, there go my last spare brain cells
>>13994709
I thought about it some more, and also checked the wiki page and corrected my understanding of how it works. For a purely mechanical clutch pedal there would need to be some kind of mechanism to differentiate which clutch to engage/disengage based on what gear you're in. Mechanical assemblies like that are complicated but it could be done easily with the current electromechanical setup and a "dummy" shifter that's just connected to some sensors. They do that for steering and the gas pedals on some cars, already, do they not?
>>13994782
you should leave the thinking to others and stick to something you're good at like sucking dicks
>>13994759
I always knew you had a single digit IQ
>>13994790
>>13994759
>>13994754
sorry you have no imagination
>>13992885
>automated shift
>>13994826
10/10 would lmao again
>>13994826
>Implying that feature isn't a waste of time
>implying it hasn't already been done
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ca3lSgmuU_w
>>13992885
>Automatic is usually defined as having a torque converter.
>If it lacks that then its somewhere on the manual spectrum.
no
manual is usually defined as having both a clutch pedal and a shifter
if it lacks that then it's somewhere on the auto spectrum
>>13994826
I can imagine all sorts of Rube Goldberg devices that could shift gears, but I don't wonder why manufacturers don't develop them
>>13992782
DCT owner here.
Yes. It's automatic. If I want to be a lazy nigger in traffic I can just keep it in D. I can fuck about with either the paddles or back and forth with the shifter but it's not going to feel the same as a manual gearbox.
It's faster shifting than a traditional manual but muh racecar feels. I miss revving like an asshole and my left foot feels bored on long drives.
>>13992957
A torque converter is just a way of implementing an automatic transmission. It's not the only way. You could use a torque converter with a manual transmission if you wanted.
So if you clutchless shift is it still automatic?
>>13995747
>if you...shift
>still automatic?
