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Who's ready for snow?
>>13991553
Anyone here own a Grand Vitara?
>>13991553
I actually park my 4x4 and drive my miata through winter.
![45_457766286[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/pWoqHxz.jpg "45_457766286[1].jpg")
>tfw no unstoppable HDJ80
Why even live...
>>13991984
What do they go for in your country? They're very overpriced in the US.
>>13991553
lololol.
I'm ready for the harsh weather guys.
>>13992002
That one there is going for $21 000
Done 188 000 miles
4.2 TD, rust free, undercoated and so on, in a very good condition, and decently priced
Still, there are very few of them here so pricing just goes on an individual basis. Its definetly a car I'm considering when getting my next, but due to the rarity I'll probably end up with a Y61 Nissan Patrol, J100 LC or a J90 LC Prado
>>13992070
>That one there is going for $21 000
>Done 188 000 miles
Insanity. This combined with the relative destituteness of the LC80 is why I won't bother owning one.
I would much rather a Y61 Super Safari or a 100 series.
>>13992093
A Y61 with the 3.0TD (long version) will probably run me about the same in a decent condition with 100 000-130 000 miles... cars are expensive here, and especially ones with a larger engine
>>13992093
Here is a base-model Mustang GT
>>13992113
But it will be newer, have a nicer interior, and less miles.
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>>13992125
Yup... the reason why I'll prefer the Patrol is that there are much more of them here, 3.5 tonne tow rating, more space, a tad newer, doesn't use as much fuel as the J80 would with the 4.2TD, and I think it looks better
>>13992119
What the hell makes this so expensive? Some stupid taxes?
>>13992166
Large tax on horsepower, on pollution, engine size, fuel type (diesel is cheaper than petrol, both when buying the car and fuel itself) and the one-time registration fee
>>13992182
What is the price of the one time registration fee? I wish we had that here in the USA instead of the yearly renewal/property tax on cars. Especially the renewals, why am I paying you to maintain data?
>>13992156
Man, why the fuck does everyone still make solid front axle vehicles but the US doesn't? The selection of SFA vehicles is so limited.
>>13992225
Because solid axles aren't particularly beneficial. Most off roaders are moving away from them.
>>13992182
Basically just the difference in what it'd cost in a country with no tax and what it costs here
One-time registration fee is basically the "whole" cost of registering a car the first time it comes to Norway
Have a '03 chebby Silverado 1500
And it's a but of a pit right now, starting to rust. And is just generally a bit beat on ,
And I want to improve on it , other than a tune up to make it run better. And possibly a rebuilt transmission I want to try to squeak a bit more power out of the 5.3
Ontop of all that il probably throw some lockers on it and some new tires
Think it's worth it to do all of this while the truck still slowly rusts away, or should I just run it into the ground until the body and the transmission shit out. And put the 5.3 in something new
>>13992237
what about rock crawling?
This car was presented to the public on a snowy mountain road while on summer tires and it just got stuck all day.
>>13992254
Fix the rust.
>>13992264
The type of rock crawling you can do in a vehicle with a stock suspension setup won't see a difference. Maybe if you are the type of guy to put 42" tires on a tube chassis buggy you will notice a difference.
>>13992282
I live in a salt state, unless I pull everything off. Sandblast the frame. And coat everything and replace. Rockers, and corner panels bumper etc. It would just rerust,
>>13991952
Me.
I kinda want this for the winter
>>13992310
Well if that isn't worth it, just go ahead and run it into the ground and put the 5.3 into something else.
>>13992383
It may be. I need to really take a good look at it and evaluate everything
>6.5 foot bed
>extended cab
I wonder if I could into a normal cab and a larger bed, or a flat bed
>>13992402
I wouldn't waste my time on putting lockers and shit on a full size pickup, especially one that long.
>>13992415
I wish it was a rclb Or I'd even take a rcsb
>tfw I just want the bosses truck from work
>rcsb 2014? Silverado
Shit is fucking quick
>tfw no adventure mobile
>>13992703
Mines not that cool but does the job nicely
>>13992734
This is great. Hilux? Is'nt cold in that tent at night?
>>13992703
I really don't get the appeal of rooftop tents.
>>13992805
It's a Tacoma, not a Hilux.
I want to get jeep wrangler finally. I'm too poor for a TJ though, would I be fine going with a post 1990 YJ?
>>13992805
Tacoma, I have a heater
>>13993112
>leaf springs
No.
beyond the ready
>>13993151
there's nothing wrong with leaf springs..
>>13993112
no you should save for a tj
yj is garbage unless you change everything that isn't the body.
t. i own one (350 swap, SOA dana 60s, 3 link front)
the 4.2 in my yj literally spun a bearing at 90k and it makes negative horsepower.
>>13994098
>there's nothing wrong with leaf springs..
Get a load of this guy.
>>13991984
Overhyped trash tbhfamily
>>13993151
>He doesn't like leafs on his jeep
I bet you like airbags and ABS too
>>13994190
I do.
85 nissan 720 sitting on 33s, weber 32/36 and stripped of most of the non-essentials. Gonna bob the back 13" or so then sas it, already got a yota 8" front axle waiting.
>>13994261
POS
>>13994128
Beggars can't be chosers
The ones I'm considering are J80-J100 LandCruisers, Y61 Patrol with the 3.0TDI, and if I'm lucky a G-Class with the 2.7 diesel... any other good suggestion for a europoor?
>>13996427
I have been looking at Pajeros, but I've heard a few too many horror stories from mechanic buddies who do a lot of offroading about their reliability issues
>>13992282
>>13992237
>inb4 Archimedes, the self appointed engineering scholar turns up.
>>13996434
Your mechanic buddies are morons. Unreliable cars don't win the Dakar. The only issues I know of are with the 4M40 cracking heads, but that only happens at high miles and hot climates which you don't live in. So if that bothers you, just get a 4M41 powered one or a gas one.
>>13992868
>I really don't get the appeal of rooftop tents.
It's so you can keep the back for storage, and literally unfold your sleeping quarters in a matter of seconds.
They're extremely practical, and their popularity for single vehicles not pulling a camper trailer proves that.
>>13996441
4M40 owner here. Even then, they'll only crack heads or blow head gaskets (gasket is more likely anyway) when they overheat. But then so does any other alloy headed diesel, including 1HZ/1HD powered Cruiser that Benzfag is contemplating.
>>13996434
Any specific "reliability issues" other than vague hearsay? Honestly, they're just as bulletproof as the equivalent year Cruisers.
>>13996441
>>13996465
It'll in that case be the 3.2l 4M, as its the only engine available here for that car which will allow me to reach the 3.5 ton tow rating. Years would be the last few of the second generation and the first years of the third
Like I said; its stuff they have told me, and I'm open to change. What they have said is the cracked heads that you've spoken of, electric issues (vulnerable AC, fuel gauge), they rust quite a bit (so does any car from the same era that hasn't been properly taken care of, so that doesn't really matter),
Problem also is that the engine I'd like to have (3.2 4M) is very, very rare, with the 2.5 4D being much more common, but unfortunately that restricts the tow-rating down to 2.5 tonnes or something
>>13996495
Yeah, I wouldn't bother with the 2.5 personally (4D56? We never had that locally after the second gen). To me, one of the things that makes the later model Pajeros is the 4M41 3.2TDi. As far as small diesels goes, it's one of the best.
Air con in my old bus never misses a beat, and that's seen thousands of miles of fire red Aussie dust. I also reckon the Mitsubishis are a lot less rust prone than a lot of Toyotas, although having said that the J80 and J100 weren't bad by any means for rust as the older Hiluxs and J70s were.
>>13996495
Oh, the 2.5 4D56 was quite phone to cylinder head failure, more so than the 4Ms. Could be source for the bad rep.
>>13996392
Yeah dude, that's kind of the point.
>>13992734
That looks comfy as fuck. I envy you
>>13996495
Unless Scandinavia was producing its own version of the 2nd generation, only the 4D56 and 4M40 were available.
>electric issues (vulnerable AC, fuel gauge)
Don't buy one with rear HVAC, or buy/make skidplates for the AC lines. In the US there are people with 3rd generation Pajeros with rear AC that don't have any problem with them doing way more abusive stuff than I imagine you would be doing to it.
>they rust quite a bit
I've found them quite resilient. Mine has survived 17 years on a snowy ocean island and there's still plenty of black paint left on the frame and a 1" rust hole in the rocker that's there because the factory running boards, like all running boards, trap salt and people don't clean them. They are at least average in this category.
I won't try to convince you to buy one, but they certainly aren't unreliable.
>>13991952
VITARA
>>13991952
close enough
>>13994261
i miss my 720
>>13998578
I like that patina
>>13992328
How do you like it? I was thinking of buying one.
I'll be comfy as fuck.
>>14001253
Do these have coilovers in front or torsion bars?
>>14001265
Torsion bars.
>Who/s ready for snow?
>mfw i live in california
>>14001285
*socal
>>14001270
Yuck.
2dr JK wrangler on 35's and loads of recovery gear. I am ready for snowmegeddon.
>>14001313
no u
>>14001285
Yep definitely no snow in CA, must be awkward for all those ski resorts and that time they held the winter olympics there
>>14001285
>living in California
>>14001390
Can you read? Please see >>14001296
>>14001441
>"Cars can rust?"
>>13992156
Get the patrol. Here in Iceland it's common to take take the axles from a patrol and put them on a cruiser because the cruiser axles suck dick.
>>13992237
>Because solid axles aren't particularly beneficial. Most off roaders are moving away from them.
Except you know, simplicity, reliability and cheapness.
>>13996441
>Your mechanic buddies are morons.
Pajero does drive better on road but can't take the same amount of abuse and trashing like LC/Patrol/Samurai.
>Unreliable cars don't win the Dakar.
You mean tubular frame trophy truck with fiberglass Pajero skin over it?
>>13994098
>there's nothing wrong with leaf springs..
Coils are much nicer tho.
Biggest issue I have with leafs is winding up and hooping when losing grip.
>>14002595
>Pajero does drive better on road but can't take the same amount of abuse and trashing like LC/Patrol/Samurai.
That's bullshit.
>You mean tubular frame trophy truck with fiberglass Pajero skin over it?
No, I don't.
>>13991553
I am. Got new Goodyear wranglers and 300lbs of sandbags. But all the snow here in Minneapolis has melted already.
>>14002960
>He thinks dakar trucks are production based
Laughing Out Loud
>>14003369
There is still a production class in Dakar, Toyota mainly competes in it
>>13994192
Puss
>>14003369
Look up what the T2 class is and tell me what they are. I'll wait.
>>14003369
>he thinks the Dakar only has one class of vehicle
lel
>>13991553
>>14005726
Leave.
Snow came and left within 2 weeks. Fucking choked
>>14007564
A1 choice in tires, family.
>>13991952
My brother has a 5spd XL7, fun truck. he did just replace the timing chain on it, a common problem. Did the work himself, it was quite involved.
'96 4Runner reporting in. Fluid Film oil undercoated to the utmost against the salt, swapping on my winter rims with General Altimax Arctic snow tires this coming weekend. I have a set of tire chains, a tow strap, and a come along winch that I keep in the back.
>>14007656
Best gen 4Runner.
>>14008327
Thats's not a 4th or 5th gen.
>>14008327
>>14009872
that's not a 1st gen
>>13991553
In like flyn. Finally driving my d21 around. I love it.
Its perfect for WV back roads. 31's + ka24e isnt the best on steep highway grades, but whatever
>>14002532
>I have no idea where Lake Big Bear is
Tfw no rain or snow in socal. Maybe I can crush 40 bags of ice in my drive way or something.
>>14001074
>pic related
I like mine, it's not fast but i still have fun driving it since it's RWD in 2H mode. I was seriously getting miserable at the end with my old FWD econobox, not that it was unrealiable but driving it was just "eh", also i didn't have AC and the summer of 2015 was smoldering in neutralland. Car failed inspection cuz the main frame was too rusty and fixing it would have cost way more than it was worth. So ye, i set out with 7 grand in hand and wen't to the next bigger city checking "stealerships" in my POS, visited a few, looked at some Mitsus and Subarus and Toyotas but then i found this. Wen't in and asked for the keys, got the keys and looked at it, wen't on a test drive, took a steep gravel path to test the 4WD system, so i'm sure that it operates fine and it did. Made some emergency brakings, some quick acceleration, took it on the highway, tested all functions etc.
Came back to the dealership and they took it onto the lift to assure me good condition of the frame. Everything was fine.
They even took my old car, it really wasn't worth anything so they knocked down a few hundred bucks of the price.
Paid 6800 CHF for it with 42k miles on the clock and being a 2003 model.
All i did, after i got it was change all fluids and get a new set of winter tyres. the old ones we're old and hard as shit. Got it since August 2015, so far i'm pretty happy with it the only problem i had in snow was the very, very light rear. Loaded in two small concrete plates (~20 kg's each) and it performs very well in snow now.
Couldn't be happier to be honest.
Picture is a bit older from when i got in august, now the car is all dirty and covered in salt, il make pics when i wash it next time.
>>13991553
> 2wd jeep pickup on street tires
Whats the worst that could happen
Considering 3 vehicles. For me new dd/or vehicle
Xj
>cheap with ,200+k miles
>expensive as fuck with anything under
Zj
>cheap in general no matter the milage
Or
Toyota Land cruiser
>body on frame
> more expensive and hard to find than anything else
What would the off-road thread do?
Would be looking at getting slightly more ground clearance, some lockers and better tires
Trying to keep everything below 3k
>>14010823
Off-roaders would tell you to get a Jeep, but only because vehicles get ruined off-roading and Jeeps are cheaper to repair/replace.
Toyota LC is infinitely more reliable and overall a better quality vehicle. They do command a higher price, but it is justified. If it's a DD, get the Toyota. The Jeeps aren't HORRIBLE, but they do have a lot of known issues, particularly when they get to higher mileage. Just a lot of stupid little stuff like slip yokes needing frequent replacement, they can idle poorly due to a bad manifold design, and a host of electrical issues (everything from sound system to window switches).
Remember, it IS a Chrysler vehicle. Chrysler hasn't made what one would call a "quality" vehicle in several decades, even their first foray into Jeep was a clusterfuck. They haven't gotten any better, either.
I don't hate Jeeps, but I'd never buy a Chrysler-era one. Something by AMC or Willies, maybe a CJ5.
>>14010871
Sorry by land cruiser I mean 93-97? Fzj80, I mean shit there's only 3 of them for sale in my entire state. And they're all heaps, I would have to look further to find one in slightly better condition. And that means paying over 3k. For the vehicle alone,
No lift, no lockers, no new tires
That's the one reason I haven't already chosen it
>>14010919
Get a ZJ, since you can't afford a locked J80.
>>14010938
That was probably second on my list, I know the inline 6 will last forever, but does anyone know about the longevity of the v8 they had in some of them?
Also anyone have experience with spartan lockers?
>>14010949
Don't get the I6. The 5.2 is fine, they're just gas hogs.
Get Powertrax lockers.
>>14010966
But will they last 300000 miles like the inline 6?
You have experience with powertrax?
>>14010919
Financial restrictions aside, my advice remains the same. The LC costs more because it's objectively better. In this instance, you get what you pay for. Lots of people have Jeeps and use them regularly, too. Just depends on what you want out of it. I've owned unreliable vehicles myself, and I will never make that mistake again. I value reliability and build quality over all else, and I am willing to save a little longer to get that from a vehicle.
>>14010990
>But will they last 300000 miles like the inline 6?
Sure? I've seen many with 200-250k on them. I never personally got mine that high but it probably could have.
>You have experience with powertrax?
Yea, they're the only automatic lockers that last.
Honestly, I'm a bit afraid of taking my jeep off road because I don't know what my D35/D30 axles are capable of, and I don't want to find the limit.
What can I safely do?
>>14011047
You can manage light trails. The D35 is the weakest point, the D30 is next.
>>14011031
Will look into the powertrax,
Thanks friend they're a bit more expensive. But probably worth it, I don't do any major offroading. But I have ended up off the road once or twice. In the winter. And it's been a pain in the ass to get out, hoping the lockers would make that a little easier. Preventing one wheel from spinning
You have a zj?
>>14011047
Should've bought a RAV4 m8. They're sick little cunts on road and off.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQf64FfdC8U
>>14011081
at $375 the price was right
>>14011054
I've heard this before, but why is the d30 stronger than the d35?
>>14011047
You're not going to hurt the axles with those sized tires.
>>13997179
I love those Iceland 4x4s, both small and big
>>14011067
If you're not gong off road don't bother with lockers, get snow tires. I once had a few ZJs, but I've since sworn off Jeeps.
>>14011453
Il of course be going off-road to an extent, back to fishing spots. Etc
Nothing super serious , but it will eventually be going up to Maine with me and everywhere else so while in the immediate. I won't be doing a bunch of serious stuff, in the future I may
How important are lockers in general off road conditions? (not rock crawling)
>>14011662
order of importance IMO
>lift (to fit tires)
>tires
>lockers
>winch/protection
>>14011846
What would be the easiest most cost effective way to lift a vehicle 2-3 inches
Coil spacers or body lift?
>>14011867
What vehicle?
>>14011662
Tires matter most, then lockers, then ground clearance/angles.
>>14011867
Body lifts are stupid and lifting shouldn't be done lightly, you don't want to raise CoG.
>>13996427
bit of a wild card but SsangYong (or later on Daewoo) Musso with Mercedes OM602 straight five diesel
>>14011886
Xj, zj or wj
Haven't decided what yet, but I want to keep it cheap
>>14012055
You cannot perform a body lift on any of those vehicles as they are all unibody. The frame and chassis are welded together.
>>14012040
Very, very few of them around here, usually in extremely bad condition
Did they come with a low-range?
>>13991553
I'm ready for snow to go away. In the city anyway. Above average snow in town and below average in the mountains, no bueno.
>>14012059
I knew they were unibody. Didn't even think that that would eliminate body lifts
Coil spacers?
>>14012055
Man just get a kit from a reputable company, they aren't that much.
>>14012103
Yea, those work. But focus on good tires first. I would even suggest cutting fenders and quarter panels before lifting.
>>14012061
>Did they come with a low-range?
yup
not a lot of them round here either but the prices are much, much cheaper than the more reputable competitors and with some wrenching one could potentially be a pretty good value.
>>14012059
>body lift
Back to the food bank with you.
>>14012118
Not that much being how much? >>14012121
Spacers are cheap as fuck, and while I would probably do some trimming. But I don't want to do too much because I think it looks shity if you do too much
>>14012135
less than $500
>>14012135
Rolling over is really shitty, disabling your brakes is really shitty, and fucking your driveline angles because you have to lift 4" to fit 31" tires is really shit. If you really want a lift, at least get a good lift from a good company like IRO.
>>14012146
Not bad. , will consider it
>>14012177
Would maybe go up to 30,s or 31s
I'm not totally against trming. But its offen done really badly
>>14012198
So don't do it badly. If you lift then make sure you adjust the LSPV.
>>14012205
Any tips and tricks to trimming ?
>>14012231
>take a sawzall
>cut your shit the fuck up faggot, it's a truck, if you don't want it fucked don't wheel it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsHivHMlwFM
>>14009872
>4th gen
Good drivetrains, good features, but too much plastic. They look mean as fuck with some nice armor though.
>5th gen
Meh. Plastic/10, no V8, still pricy.
>>14010152
>that's not a 1st gen
22re/3vzfe can't get out of their own way to save their lives. 5vzfe may not be a powerhouse, but at least it's adequate.
>>14010823
I'm a Toyotafag, so I know a little more about that. Land Cruisers are great, but a 4Runner is something you should definitely consider. Lighter and smaller and often cheaper, and just as capable (or more capable) than a stockish XJ or ZJ.
>>14013587
>but too much plastic
>Plastic/10
Get over it.
>no V8
The only V8 was the 4th generation and the 1GR makes almost as much power.
>still pricy.
That's a personal problem.
>>14013626
I actually do like the 4th gen, I was shopping for one. The 3rd gen is the best combination of off road capability, price, and not-shit motors of all teh 4Runners though.
This is the best vehicle I've ever owned.
>>14015430
They're decent. I'd take one over a 4Runner.
>>13996427
Suzuki Jimny
Solid Front axles and a much smaller footprint than those three.
>>14016131
You having a giggle there, mate?
One of my "demands" is 3-3.5 ton tow rating, and the Jimny is rated at 1.1 ton... my Merc is rated at 1.5
They are also only four-seater, and I will not be able to transport all the gear I'll be driving with on search & rescue with the Red Cross
>>13992237
>Most off roaders are moving away from them.
The only reason for that is because most people in the 1st world use them primarily on the road.
They are beneficial in situations where you actually spend most of the time off road but what percentage of SUV owners in america actually get on to adverse terrain?
>>14016138
>The only reason for that is because most people in the 1st world use them primarily on the road.
Then how does that explain the Patrol, Land Cruiser 100 and 200, and Pajero?
>>14016134
I missed all of that.
But if you are going search and rescue red cross style then the only answer is literally the 70 series.
Even if you don't like them. If you carry a patrol into the congo and break something you are fucked. If you carry a 70 series into the congo and break something you will be able to borrow, steal or cannibalize parts from another 70 series that is only a week of foot travel away.
I think all off road fags should read this.
http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/threads/50799-Democratic-Republic-of-Congo-Lubumbashi-to-Kinshasa
All the pre runners, rock crawlers, green laners, pipe line welders, swamp loggers and all the rest of the cushy "manly" offroaders have no idea what offroading is really like.
>>14016147
All of those have IFS and the Pajero has IRS.
>>14016155
Its not going to be a super offroader. Its going to be a very capable DD; we're talking a small lift, Toyo Open Country, Cooper STT or similar summer tires, Nokian Hakkapeliitta 8 winter tires, extra headlamps and so on. If I'm going to get into offroading I'll buy something like a Jimny or an FJ73 as a vehicle purely for that
>>14016155
You know how I know you don't go off road?
>>14016156
Uh, yea, exactly.
>>14016185
Those are all primarily road vehicles with alright rough road capability.
Jimny's, 70 series, defenders are all still SFA because they are built the other way around. Sacrificing on road prowess for durability.
>>14016217
>Those are all primarily road vehicles with alright rough road capability.
But they are not. The Pajero barely even sells in developed countries. They line the Australian outback and African towns. Same with the LCs and Patrols.
>>14016223
My family has had pajeros since the first gen, primarily as company vehicles but recently as personal.
Currently we have a 4th gen and while I like the thing as transport to and from sites to call it a hardcore basic 3rd world offroader is really and truly false, it sits lower to the ground than the previous generations did and we tend to go through suspension components like water. The L200 we have of the same year is significantly better, primarily due to the outright gain in ground clearance and also less downtime on the repairs.
>>14016300
>3rd world offroader is really and truly false
It's not.
>it sits lower to the ground than the previous generations did
It doesn't. The ground clearance is actually improved since you don't have the giant rear axle in the way.
>we tend to go through suspension components like water.
I don't really believe you. What the hell components are you going through and what are you doing to these things?
>>14016311
>It's not.
As in you're agreeing or disagreeing?
>It doesn't. The ground clearance is actually improved since you don't have the giant rear axle in the way.
Hardly a giant rear axle. The belt line is what we tend to drag on the ground and that nigger sits low.
>What the hell components are you going through and what are you doing to these things?
Primarily bushings, ball joints and drop links. The steel on the arms themselves is alright. What are we doing to them? General everyday transport. But our highways are the sort that you can get stuck on dry tarmac even with open diff 4x4 so you can imagine what our residential roads are like, not to mention the feeders.
>>14016413
>As in you're agreeing or disagreeing?
Disagreeing. My statement is not false.
>Hardly a giant rear axle
More and more I disbelieve you've ever seen a Pajero. The 3.5L 9.5" axle is enormous and actually a bit of a liability off road. Good thing the car will fit 33" tires with ease.
>The belt line is what we tend to drag on the ground and that nigger sits low.
I don't know what you mean by belt line unless you are dragging the car along on its side.
>Primarily bushings, ball joints and drop links. The steel on the arms themselves is alright. What are we doing to them? General everyday transport. But our highways are the sort that you can get stuck on dry tarmac even with open diff 4x4 so you can imagine what our residential roads are like, not to mention the feeders.
I don't know what to tell you about this other than it isn't normal. Do you grease the ball joints according to the service manual?
