Is the RX7 FC a good project car? I really want a rotary to have as a tuner, but I can't afford an FD.
The problem I have is that it only has 160hp, and that doesn't really seem like a whole lot. I don't want it to be a drag car, but I want to be able to autocross it and take it to the track day (bro). How can you make power from the N/A 13b? I know that there is a T2 FC, but I heard that it was difficult to add a turbo to the N/A, but what else can I do to it?
>>13956549
>How can you make power from the N/A 13b
by swapping for a v8
>>13956549
You can pick up a 13B-T or 13B-RE for like $1200 with transmission. Also, the 20B-REW is a bolt-in swap for the FC, while it's a bitch and a half to swap one into an FB or FD.
>>13956575
Also, the best way to make power from a 6 port 13B is to fill in the ports and pport it.
>>13956549
>Is the RX7 FC a good project car?
Yes
>The problem I have is that it only has 160hp, and that doesn't really seem like a whole lot
Turbo it
>How can you make power from the N/A 13b?
Porting. Aftermarket intakes and management. Or just swap in a turbo motor.
>I know that there is a T2 FC, but I heard that it was difficult to add a turbo to the N/A,
Yeah, so swap it or don't buy an NA one.
>>13956589
This guy pretty much covered it.
To add.
Racing beat makes a good header. Opening the exhaust helps a lot.
Even a street port helps a lot.
Weight reduction can be done without altering anything noticeable. I got mine down to 2400lbs with full interior.
>>13956570
Fuck you
>>13956575
Shit a 20B would be fucking rad. How much is one of those?
What's the difference between an FC's 13B and a 13B-RE(W)
>>13956586
>>13956589
How much power can I be expecting if I port it? I am only looking for around ~300HP at least to begin.
>Yeah, so swap it or don't buy an NA one.
I wish there were T2s in my area.
>>13956625
What are the different types of ports and what kind of power can I make with them? I don't really care about streetability, it wouldn't be my DD.
>>13956632
300hp NA isn't really feasible.
There are some cool hybrid NA builds like using renesis rotors flipped around in a T2 block with renesis stat gears.
This allows for the lightest rotors, highest compression, and highest redline. I recall someone dynoing 200whp on stock ports
>>13956632
>Fuck you
its the truth
its a FC anyway so who fucking cares
>>13956655
You're dumb
>>13956632
Street port
Race port
Bridge port
Peripheral port (pic related)
>>13956664
>pul GM V8l engine from truck
>300 hp 300+lb ft
>aluminum heads and aftermarket headers
>weight comes down drastically
>way faster than all motor rotor for cheap
you sound bretty dumb tbqh
>>13956632
13B-T is the engine from the FC
13B-RE is the engine from the JC Cosmo
13B-REW is the engine from the FD
The RE is mostly a 13B-T, with a few parts from the REW. The 20B-REW is a 3 rotor 13B-RE, rather than a 3 rotor 13B-REW.
>>13956685
You have no idea what you're talking about.
intake, exhaust, streetport, tune, mild weight reduction (you can get like 100lbs out without sacrificing comfort), suspension, tires, good pads and fluid
>>13956685
>weight comes down drastically
stop posting any time
>>13956685
I prefer rotaries in muscle cars
>>13956701
Just the aluminum hood from the convertible saves like 40lbs vs the steel hood of the coupe.
>>13956549
> How can you make power from the N/A 13b?
big ports
People on /o/ love to memespout "just p-port it" without realizing that a peripheral ported rotary is absolutely undrivable on the street.
>>13956712
Can't do big side ports on a 6-port engine. NA FC owners are fucked desu senpai.
>>13956720
>Being a bitch
Shiggiddy.
>>13956721
welp
>>13956697
Im sure the guy who can only throw insults around knows what hes talking about
>>13956704
guys up top look like theyre just smiling for the camera
guy on bottom looks like he nutted just from holding that glorious engine
>>13956705
it has a turbo and 3 rotors so its actually good
2s not enough to be a good all motor rotor
>>13956668
That's not a ready to go housing right? Now, that question sounds retarded so let me elaborate..
Normal 13b or whatever will have front plate, housing 1, intermediate/middle plate, housing 2, end plate right?
If its peripheral ported does it still need the intermediate/middle plate? Or does all the compression take place within the rotor dimple?
Nope, nevermind I just thought how stupid that question is and got my answer..
Thanks for reading I guess
>>13956720
You can get away with a half bridge on the street, anymore is just wank factor imo
what good is a street car that makes no power till 6k and all that
>>13956720
Op said he was going to autocross it. So no reason not to p-port it.
>>13956727
>guys up top look like theyre just smiling for the camera
>guy on bottom looks like he nutted just from holding that glorious engine
>>13956727
more like the guy on the bottom is going to throw his back out lifting shit up like that
his lifting posture hurts to look at
>>13956575
>>13956632
>>13956668
>>13956687
Whoa whoa whoa the 20B 3-rotor swap from the Cosmo into the FC is faaaaaar from bolt in, at least from what I've heard. Read this
http://fc3spro.com/TECH/SWAP/COSMO/20b.html
>>13956743
who says trolling
yall are the idiots who think some shitty 2 rotor is worth a damn
V8 will be cheaper and faster
>>13956748
hes obviously sitting it down after tender love making
>>13956729
Still needs center plate.
You can buy pre built PP housings.
Talking $$$ though
>>13956778
>V8 will be cheaper and faster
>>13956770
No one said it wasn't.
>>13956770
It's far from bolt on, but as far as swaps go, it's not very difficult if you can fab
>>13956770
So, the things you need are:
>Off the shelf engine mounts
>Lightweight flywheel
>Custom turboback exhaust
>Fuel pump
>Electronics that come with the engine
That's pretty much the easiest swap ever. You're looking at $700 plus engine and electronics, with zero fabrication skills required. I guess carbed GM 4300 V6 to carbed SBC would probably be easier, that's about it.
>>13956818
youre looking at like 2500-3000 in parts for the engine swap
go ahead and tell me the performance youre getting from a na rotary for that
>>13956835
>2500 - 3000
>staying NA
Pft
>>13956649
It is with fuel injection
Pp and big carbs you get 300hp easy
Keep con mind 13bs were making that power back in the 80s
>>13956835
More like $5000-7000.
>>13956736
But he also said drag racing, meaning launching in the power band or stalling. OP, I normally don't suggest cross platform swaps, but any small block V8 is going to give you what you want and more for less cost. If you are worried about the height distribution, shove the engine father back and lower down and you will be near 50/50.
I am in no way saying don't stick with the dorito, just know to hit 300+ ponies that you will be looking at a turbo or a very very built 20B that will be a dead horse under 5k RPM.
>>13956835
Way more than that bud for a v8 swap
you'd be lucky to get a decent engine and trams for that
And for 3k you can have a 13b making 300hp na
>>13956861
So he should just buy a vet.
Why swap when a car already exists?
>>13956861
>But he also said drag racing
You need to learn to read. I said I don't want it to be a drag car.
>>13956861
Wtf are you talking about
Rip the turbos off the 20b throw long intake runners on it and you're making over 260whp
So why say a 300hp na 20b is ubdriveable?
>>13956864
You can buy a 360 all day long and bolt any t5 or t56 to it for a grand. My local CL has 12 360 long locks available for 180-500 and multiple part outs for the wiring harness (which is the same as a 318 harness).
>>13956879
> long blocks
Kek. And junkyard engines are always in top notch condition as well aren't they :&)
>>13956848
op said na
>>13956853
yeaa no
Im talking Vortec not LS
>>13956864
wat
I can get a 5300 and a T56 for $2.5k
>>13956877
Further more why be so retarded to think you need a "very very built" 20b to make 300hp+ na
I swear spastics on this board are better chopping their fingers off than trying to tall on matters they got no clue about
>>13956853
this
v8 swaps are cheap if you use an iron block/heads turd engine and half ass EVERYTHING. Doing it properly takes forever and costs a fuckton
on an old high mileage rx7 or 240 or something, the swap done right will cost probably triple what you paid for the car
>>13956894
> I'm talking iron block trash
Lol okay
>>13956869
Because of the aesthetics I'm betting. I would choose a Datsun S30/S130 or an RX7 over a same year malaise or 80s Corvette (I did actually, got a 1979 280ZX.)
Also, I personally am not a corvette guy, never have been. I've driven multiple series of them (C2-C6) and only liked the C2 with a 427 and a 4speed (my uncle is a huge corvette guy and has owned from a C1-C5 then stopped because he likes pop up headlights and the older interiors much better. He is currently building a 527 crate to be put into his current 1970 Stingray.
>>13956894
And then the rest of the parts for the swap for $500.00? Not a chance. Looking at $5-7k at least.
>>13956899
5-7k is a half asked build
All the clean swaps ran their owner 10k+ unless they have shit loads of fab experience and their own good workshop
>>13956870
I'm very sorry, I did misread that. Then my vote is a turbo dorito. 300HP is difficult without it unless you like to burn money away.
>>13956904
that can make over 1000 hp from an ebay turbo kit lel
whiles still being more reliable than a 300hp rotary
>>13956909
no
maybe if you take it to a shop lel
ITT: ameridummies that dont know the fastest RX7s are rotary powered
>>13956921
Right
Buddy of mine threw a vortec in a 240sx
Destroyed valves in about 30 minutes on the track
>>13956895
I have a clue anon. What I'm missing is the source saying you can take the turbos off a turbo 20b, install a different intake and get to 260 (remember the aim is 300).
>>13956931
They also dokt know rotaries have far more success in endurance racing than gm shit engines
>>13956932
yeah
he probably bought it from a work truck with 500k miles and didnt do anything to it except put it in a s chassis before immediately running it hard
>>13956946
>work truck
That's what they were made for.
Not performance cars
>>13956931
And what do their dynos look like? Are they NA? Did they cost less than 20k to build? Are they full cage fiberglass/CF race cars?
>>13956938
> I have a clue
> to make 300hp na on a 20b you need a very very built engine and it makes no power under 5k
No you have zero fucking clue
Mazmart btw ran the na 20b with long intake runners and made 280hp actually
No porting or anything
>>13956946
So just like literally every single junkyard engine you'll find
>>13956956
yeah a truck engine that makes 400 some whp with i/h/e and cam while being perfectly streetable
>>13956980
And ruins valves if you go last 2000rpm
Funny how you fags have to equate a 5.7L V8 to a little rotary
>>13956984
maybe your friend shouldnt be retarded using a high mileage engine without a rebuild
its 100% his fault
its not equal at all lel
the 5300 is better than the rotary
>>13956984
Even funnier how the 13b turbo is an engine mainly unchanged from its 70s brothers while muh vortec is a modern engine
Chebby fags are literally the most insecure fags around
the NA rotary is basically the best endurance racing engine of all time
fight me irl if u disagree
>>13956993
>>13956993
> rebuild
Now the engine costs over twice as much :&)
> better
Doubt it seeing as rotaries can run around a track for 84 hours straight and pushrod shit dies within 30 minutes
>>13957001
looks like you done got broke
>>13957008
rotaries need a rebuild after you drive to the track after the race and after you make it home
like you can say anything lel
just opening up the heads doesnt cost $2000
>>13956685
>weight comes down drastically
Are you high dude
>>13956957
thats irrelevant
if the pigfat LS were better, they would have used it, instead of aluminium wankel engines
>>13957014
And gm shit needs a rebuild every 6 miles on the way to the track if the new c7 z06 is anything to go by
>>13957014
>done got broke
Dang ol' done gone an dang ol' broke you're dang ol' brain
Dang ol'
>buy junkyard Barra turbo for 1k
> install boost controller for $20
> crank boost all the way up
> 600whp
Why bother with pushrod v8 shit?
>>13956970
Was that an NA 20b to begin with? Because a lower compression 20b turbo will not make those figures from a long ram manifold swap. And what was the total cost on the engine and that intake? And was the 280HP at redline?
>>13957023
must not be as bad as rotaries since they still make them
>>13957026
hillbilly truck engines are better than rotaries
I bet that just makes your ass itch
>>13957032
Because i6 engines are even more retardedly heavy on average, don't know specs of the Barra though. Also would cost a fair amount and have no aftermarket. I am a huge v8 guy, but turbo rotary swap or bigger rotary swap is thr best way to go for OP.
>>13957032
>not strayan
>no cheap barra
stop making me feel bad
>>13957021
Not saying an LS is better, but the cost is relevant. There's a chance for similar money I could Atom swap a 280Z and shit on the fastest rotaries.
>>13957037
>hillbilly truck engines are better than rotaries
Except they aren't
>>13957037
>assmad pushrod kek is staring to change the goalposts to >b-but the engine alone is better
>>13957043
we are talking about global time attack teams, they have enough money
>>13957039
>admits to knowing nothing about it
>claims it has no aftermarket
>>13957043
> swap tiny ass gokart enfine into a pigfat old datsun
> faster than cars that are faster than gt3 cars
Lol kid dream on
>>13957046
learn to stay on topic you retard
the goalposts wasnt changed
>>13957048
If he's in america it wouldn't have any local aftermarket. I know it has australian aftermarket.
>>13957052
the topic was the LS swap is for ameridummies who want a slower RX7, since fastest RX7s are rotary powered
>>13957052
> better engine
> heavier
> physically larger
> less reliable in performance applications
How is it better?
>>13957058
yeah no
that was never the topic I was discussing
been pretty firmly in the engine vs engine category
>>13957065
>still makes more power
>easier to make more
>cheaper to make more
>who cares as long as it fits
>citation needed
>>13957079
>still makes more power
Citation needed
>easier to make more
Citation needed
>cheaper to make more
Citation needed
>who cares as long as it fits
Citation needed
>citation needed
Citation needed
>>13957090
now youre just shit posting
I accept your defeat :^)
>>13957079
Extra power is offset by extra weight
Doesn't matter if it's cheaper to get power bevause you have to spend 10k+ getting it in the rx7
Anon whos friend had his vort3c blow up in 30 minutes vs rotaries pure and utter domination of endurance racing across the globe for 4 decades
Gg thnx for playing
>>13957114
still faster
not that much maybe if youre talking a LS
Corvettes alone are more successful lol
btfo
>>13957135
> faster
Then why are the fastest rx7s in wtac all rotsry powered? There's even a v8 one in the open class running with the 13bs and it got fucking rekt last year
> corvettes alone
Lol no, how many corvettes have the title of the most successful car in IMSA history, have completed the marathon De la route, won the 24 hours of Le mans, bathurst 12 hours etc etc
> muh gte class at Le mans
Too fucking kek surely they've done better than a handful of victories in a babby class
>>13957147
And just to kick the gm fanboy while he's down
>>13957147
>has to cherry pick series no one cares about
lol
>Le Mans
>Mazda got one win
>only because the competition DNFd
>the car was slow as fuck
>try to talk shit
lol now that is pathetic
rotaryfag butthurt Corvette is more succesful
>>13957168
> waah waah doesn't count!
Damage control roflmao
Corvette only has success in one series that literally no one cares about except the teams who compete in it
> rotary won because it was most reliable
Yes that's how endurance racing works kiddo
> daily reminder the ls7 is currently topic of class action lawsuit bevause of its unreliability
> daily reminder c7z blows up within 1k miles and overheats after a couple minutes on track
>>13957183
reminder it got literally one win out of 20 races lol
its a failure loved by deluded fanboys
>it doesnt count because it shows how good it is
damage control :^)
>>13956625
What all did you remove to get 2400lbs?
>>13956549
Miata with 20b
>>13957198
oh my bad 1 win out of 21
top fucking kek
>>13957198
>>13957198
Has a corvette ever won the 24 hours of Le mans? Check and mate faggot
> b-b-but
Roflmao
>>13957183
Alphonse we all know it's you
>>13957204
1 in 21 is still better than a big fat ZERO
> corvette has never ever won or attempted to win the holy grail of endurance racing
> mazda has
Roflmao
>>13957210
Corvette has 8 wins out of 16 races
rotary BTFO
>>13957218
> he thinks a top place in a retarded babby class is the same as overall win
TOP FUCKING KEK you can't make this shit up
>>13957232
its ok
whatever helps deal with the hurt of your shitbox racecar begin worse than a Corvette
>>13957241
> worse
> has won holy grail of racing and corvette hasn't even attempted it's so shit
Top fucking roflmao
>>13957259
a racecars job is to win
it did its job worse than a Corvette so its worse than one too
the race is irrelevant
>>13957272
> 24h of Le mans, the holy grail of endurance racing since marathon De la route was axed
> irrelevant
I'd take a look at the corvettes gt3 success but it's too shit to compete in that either ROFLMAO
>>13957201
All emissions.
All sound deadening material including the carpet padding and rubber. Then I put the carpet fabric back in.
Removed ALL AC components.
Aluminum hood
Lighter wheels
Removed spare tire and jack.
Removed storage bins and replaced with factory wood panels.
Cut rear strut tower cover metal. The carpet still fits back and looks normal.
Single exhaust with a header (huge reduction there)
Removed sunroof motor
No speakers or radio.
Probably more I'm forgetting
Still had power steering though
>>13956549
how do you make power with a rotary? yes porting look up peripheral port as in a 13BPP. its about the limit with a N/A. the other way to make power is to add rotors. 4 rotors have been made quite successfully. as long as you have a long enough eccentric shaft, you can have as many rotors as you want. just comes down to cost. the other way is to use the internals from a RX-8. offically it doesnt fit but unoffcially ive heard it does.
>>13957049
the NZ made PPRE 6 rotor. the owner is still thinking about turboing it
but if you want to go faster forced asperation is the way to go. easy to turbo but very few rotaries have been supercharged most use a 4/71 supercharger.
the only other problem is the FC was fat and heavy for a RX-7
>>13956727
>2s not enough to be a good all motor rotor
naw nigga
youtube.com/watch?v=8AZF8deBqmQ
>>13956727
>>13957804
youtube.com/watch?v=NySd_-GR3Aw
>t; no vtec no pushrods just 1300cc of combustion chamber
>>13956632
>How much power can I be expecting if I port it? I am only looking for around ~300HP at least to begin.
300hp NA will be expensive and a horrible car to drive on the street. Really loud, either a high idle or one that surges, horrible gas mileage, you have to rev the piss out of it to get to the power too.
>>13957817
That's a stupid example. You can find a fast, stripped out, drag-only car powered by just about any engine made.
>>13957884
>i dont like your example because it directly proves me wrong that 2 rotor cant make na power
Kek
>>13957892
You're not talking to who you think you are, dipshit, and my point stands.
>Implying an FC isn't better than an FD
>>13956685
As a rx7 owner who has dealt with the vortexh truck motors with alluminum heads they only weigh 50-75 pounds more than a 13b the heavy part is the t56
Op it sounds like you dont know what your doing go hang out on rx7 club don't listen to these keks
>>13957473
Fabricating the eshaft for a 4 rotor is a $xx,xxx job, there are probably 5 shops in the world capable of doing it.
FCfags are notoriously cheap.
OP: buy a T2, or buy any FC and save for a 13B-RE while learning to drive.
>>13956857
Kid sounds like he cant do his own work itll be 10k minimum
>>13957929
>Fabricating the eshaft for a 4 rotor is a $xx,xxx job, there are probably 5 shops in the world capable of doing it.
For 5 digits, I'd expect an real R26B eshaft, complete with race history and provenance. Defined Autoworks will sell you a 4 piece, 4 rotor eshaft for $6000 and change.
>>13958019
http://greenbrothers.co.nz/Products.html
$4000++ for the shaft, $1000+ for modifying 2 plates, plus taxes and shipping, plus 4 good housings and rotors, plus ecu, throttles, mounts, etc
Defined's Group Buy started at $9,200 for the "kit"
There's a reason that 4 rotors aren't common.
>>13956549
max i've herd of from na 13b/12a was ~300hp an it was PPort.
no matter what you do you'll probably need to go to a larger final drive ratio, 4.71:1 is a guess of what fb/sa racers are running
>>13958061
>Fabricating the eshaft for a 4 rotor is a $xx,xxx job
>$xx,xxx
>multiple shops will not only sell you the eshaft, but also machine the housings and provide you with 1/2" tension studs, dry sump, custom counterweight, etc, for less than $9,999
Do you see where you fucked up, now?
>>13958177
Yeah, I was off by 4 thousand doll hairs on the eshaft today.
Meanwhile, in the real world:
http://www.rx7club.com/20b-forum-95/20b-engine-build-conversion-pricing-vendors-789775/
>Our 20B conversion is $20-$25k depending on parts used
>Im 10K in, just the motor, rebuilt with Ianetti seals, and turbo, not including custom FABS & intercooler
>I think many people think it may cost $35-40,000 or even $50-75,000. There are of course people who have paid $35-75,000+ for a conversion that I know personally.
So if what you want is an apology then here it is: If the OP is an expert mechanic moonlighting as a poorfag on /o/ then yeah, he can try the vintage '00s method of financing a $xx,xxx (-$4000) build on credit and then doing the car show scene for sponsorships and magazine pieces.
Oh wait, no, he won't.
>>13958271
>If the OP is an expert mechanic moonlighting as a poorfag on /o/ then yeah
I'm mechanically inclines, but I'm not going to try that. Maybe I'll just try getting a T2 and crank up the boost pressure, and add some exhaust mods, weight mods, and give it a better cooling system. Can you PPort an engine and still have a turbo?
>>13958289
>Can you PPort an engine and still have a turbo
Yes
>>13958271
Meanwhile, in the real world, people that want lots of rotors for no money make it happen, and people with more money than sense will continue to throw it around like candy.
http://members.tripod.com/~grannys/4rotor.html
>>13958289
Can you PPort an engine and still have a turbo?
Yes, but you don't want to on a street driven car. I wouldn't even bother with a jport or a bridge. If you desperately need brap there's the half bridge, but the street port is really all you need.
>>13958325
>The Outlaw Dirt Cars were one of the few places that the 4 rotor car was allowed to run, so that's where we ran it. In the form shown here, output was around 550hp.
All that work to run one spark plug per rotor and make single turbo 2 rotor power. I'm very impressed by how much they left on the table.
>>13958367
Show me an NA 4 rotor that has ever reached a power level unattainable by a turbo 2 rotor. In the meantime, making 275 horsepower apiece from a pair of sideported 2 rotors taped together is fucking impressive.
>>13956861
I don't want it to be a drag car, but I want to be able to autocross it and take it to the track day (bro).
You need to learn to read before you post Son.
>>13959567
>track day (bro)
Stop this shit
>I want to be able to autocross it
Autocross is 50% tires and 50% driver. You could tune that car to 300hp, and some oldfag in a stock miata on non-road-legal racing slicks will kick your ass. Seriously. I loved autocross because every event I'd watch some kid like OP show up, get schooled, and crawl home with their tail between their legs never to appear again.
If you are serious about autocross, start with a 100% stock shitbox. That will put you in a stock class where you can learn and actually compete. As soon as you touch the engine, you get bumped up at least 2 classes where you'll be competing with guys who have raced all their lives and take the sport extremely seriously.
>>13960586
>As soon as you touch the engine, you get bumped up at least 2 classes where you'll be competing with guys who have raced all their lives and take the sport extremely seriously.
>implying everyone does it for the competition
>>13956725
Enjoy rebuilds
>pushrods
kek
>>13962421
which one is it possible to make more than 700hp?
>>13962421
1.4 vs 5.7
>>13962453
considering the fact that GM is getting sued for unreliable LS7 and LT4 engines, only top two
>>13962455
>and yet they make the same power
Is it impossible to talk about rx7s without everything becoming a giant shitfest?
>>13962453
small block can make over 1000hp NA
big block can do over 2000
>tfw putting mine is storage for winter this week
>>13962492
>small block can make over 1000hp NA
citation needed
>>13962499
in* fuck
>>13962512
its hard but its been done multiple times by both Fords and Chevys
>>13962533
Still not a citation
How to mod rotary turns into ls vs xxb
Posting a cooling problem as a massive issue. Then talking about engine swaps as if they're as easy as swapping injectors
Ctsv has the same engine, no problems
Keep the Doritos, it's the only thing that makes a rx a rx. If you're gonna v8 swap just buy a mt c4 vette for the same money as the conversion
>>13962533
>spinning to 9250
shit senpai that must sound nice, but that dyno graph doesnt make a lot of sense
>>13962541
>>13962556
sounds sick but no great recordings of it
this is the best I can find
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbnVin-Qh6U
>>13956549
An FC is probably the best project car.
It's modern enough to have a decent suspension (FBs was good for its time and about as good as the equivalent Porsche, but it's still a live rear axle and shit).
You get tons of power out of it cheap.
It's plenty reliable in NA form. The rest of the car isn't going to fall apart or get electric issues that plague lots of late 80s and 90s cars.
Anyway if you want to autocross, well you can't touch the engine much, can you?
I thought rules are, for SCCA at least, that you need a catback, and can touch tires and suspension, no chassis cutting. I could be wrong. I guess there isn't a way they can tell you modified the engine.
Anyway if you get a non Turbo-II FC, you will need to upgrade the rear end. The most it takes is like 250-300 hp IIRC.
You'll probably want to spend a grand on suspension upgrade to firm it up, and because the current suspension will be old and worn.
You can get around 200 whp (like 220 bhp) just by:
-a street port (you can do it yourself if you want. Get templates from racing beat for a few bucks and get some grinders).
-Cat back exhaust
-Intake
-ECU
Which is plenty fast to start with. If you do the work yourself, total cost is under $1500.
Frankly I'd keep it NA, because even a pretty high strung NA will last 150k+ or even 250k+ miles fine if maintained.
With a turbo you have to make sure you're monitoring temp fine and that it doesn't overheat, and you're lucky that even with the right tuning and reliability mods that it'll last 150k miles.
Since you said you want to make a tuning car, and a track car, an NA is going to be pretty much no worries about it overheating even if you're doing a marathon race.
Turbo are fun for the torque and sound on the street with your friend, and the kicking in, but they make worse track cars.
If you DO go turbo, you might want to look into running it on E85 or alcohol injection, which is a lot more cost, complexity, and learning curve.
>>13957201
I don't know about FCs, but I know there are FDs that have gotten down to 2400 while still having AC, power steering, interior. More aggressive reduction gets you under 2200.
The sound deadening is like 70lbs, emissions shit is around 100lbs.
Replacing the underbody coating with a lighter more modern one like rhino liner saves like 15lbs.
So you lose a lot of weight just because of early 90s tech that you can replace.
That's part of why they're such good tuner cars. There's a lot of emissions shit gimping them more than normal that's cheap to remove and get more power from.
>>13957884
Show me a 2.6l piston engine that's naturally aspirated and does 9s?...
I'd like to see that. I don't think it's close to possible.
I thought 9s was the realm of forced induction and 6l+ engines.
>>13962776
>being surprised that a stripped our drag car can be fast with a little NA engine
C'mon son!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PEJKYfKL-M
Skip to 3:08
>>13962587
This:
>>13957817
is more than a second faster with 1/4th the displacement.
I'm guessing that dyno is only 1750rpm long because it makes no power before that while the rotary probably makes power from 3000-11000.
>>13962776
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaKZvTZGhm8
>>13962825
>makes no power before that while the rotary probably makes power from 3000-11000.
>NA drag Wankel
>3000-11000 power band
hehe
yeah right.
>>13962811
That just says it's all motor.
What's the displacement?
I said
>Show me a 2.6l piston engine
not
>any NA engine
I tried looking it up and can't find the displacement. All I can find is that it's 4 cylinder and revs to 12500.
I wouldn't doubt it's 3l or larger.
>>13962854
>I wouldn't doubt it's 3l or larger.
Well you'd be a retard then.
It's a 2.7, and it runs 8s. Take away 100cc and give it 9s if you want to be pedantic.
http://www.superstreetonline.com/features/htup-1209-tube-frame-honda-civic-coupe/
>>13962825
wat
that rotary is over a second slower while weighing probably1000 lbs less with modified suspension
btw that Camaro has ran 8.02 iirc
who cares about the power band the car isnt going to use anyway
>>13962487
Just hide the first useless reply and let the recursive filtering take care of the rest. But yeah, I wish everyone would stop arguing with the "hurr just V8 swap it" idiot.
>good project car
>n/a FC RX-7
>160hp isn't enough to have fun
N/A rotors > turbo rotors
>>13962914
>>160hp isn't enough to have fun
It isn't in an FC.
>2,800lbs
>>13963905
160hp for 2800lb still isn't that good. It was fine for the time, but not now.
0-60 in 8.2s is what the midsize CUVs get. The CX-5, CR-V, Tucson, etc.
Though oddly, that seems like a really slow 0-60 time for that power:weight.
The FD got 0-60 in 5.1s from 255 with 2850lbs which is a third of a second faster than cars with that power to weight tend to get.
the CX-5 with 184hp and 2433lb of weight gets to 0-60 almost as fast as the NC FC...
The FC is like half a second slower than you'd figure.
Bad tires from those times bad then? Drivetrain losses?
But anyway, I'd say that just getting 200whp from it should be reasonable fun.
