I sat in a 320i at a car show two days ago. The interior felt and looked like a Ford product. $33,000 base for something that comes with a worse interior than a Civic. Is this normal for BMW?
Modern BMW, yes. Everything until before the E60 is good. Even the cheap shit. Top line cars, with optional extras, were just magnificent. Merc is pretty good these days.
>>13953964
Yes, BMW interiors have been shit for a long time.
>>13953964
The last time i spent alot of time in a BMW was when my dad had a 528 E39, and I liked the interior. Now that my friends are buying 5 series this and 3 series that, the only thing that hits me every time is how cheap the interior looks, and how everything about the layout of buttons is really hard to understand. I don't know if theyve updated their iDrive system, but i remember back in the E60 its was a total disaster.
>>13953964
Your paying 10-20% for the emblem
>>13953964
BMW spends money where it counts. If you want a "luxury" interior (which is just a bunch of aluminum/alloy details and leather) buy an Audi. Drive it and you'll see why it's more expensive than a civic.
>>13953970
I wouldn't say it's cheap shit, but other manufacturers have upped their game and the interior quality is now worse in BMW than in an Audi or Merc. But driving feel? That's another story. Still I find the design of the interior to be better than that of any other car maker - it's clean, minimalistic with very readable gauges, function. It doesn't get in your way, however it is also not as noticeable, but in my book thats good. BMW have always put functionality first.
>>13954025
This is just not true, although you like to believe that BMW are going down some hardcore racing path with their standard models.
>>13954025
I understand they're more mechanically complicated and Germanified than a Civic, but similarly priced Mercedes at the show didn't skimp on interior as much. Feel like it should be part of the package with a luxury vehicle. Literally got no sense of it just from sitting down in one.
Even the Chinese Volvos had nicer plastics.
>>13954041
>I wouldn't say it's cheap shit
I meant the cars. The 318s and such. They're a pretty nice place to be in.
But at that price range, I'd go for Alfa. The 156 I had was one of the nicest cars I have ever sat in (optional higher-quality leather).
>>13954046
Looks like ancient shit compared to based Lexus interiors.
Modern BMWs have excellent exterior looks, at least.
>>13954024
Bullshit. They're only $32.
>>13954061
>Modern BMWs have excellent exterior looks, at least.
The front fascia has been weird as fuck since Bangle. Too pig like.
>>13954075
F30- and F10-based bodies weren't designed by Bangle, I thought. Definitely an improvement aesthetically.
Features in the E90 fascia in pic related don't even line up correctly. It looks horribly un-German.
>>13954075
>>13954107
Probably a better comparison here.
>>13954107
>F30- and F10-based bodies weren't designed by Bangle, I thought.
I mean that ever since him most BMWs look a bit stranger than they used to. They've improved but still look funny to me.
>>13954061
That interior is dogshit tier
Typical americans
Yes yes we can all agree that BMW today is not as enthusiast focused as it was and we can bash it's quality and say that's it's overpriced.
The reality is that BMW is a company and company's objective is to make money, to pay its employees and to make profit for the owners. It's just the name of the game. But I have to defend BMW and say that there isn't any other car manufacturer that is as enthusiast or driving fun focused as BMW (if we don't include very specific stuff as Lotus etc.). Maybe Alfa Romeo can compare, but you'll see that they have the same perceived drawbacks as BMWs (overpriced, worse reliability, not as luxurious as Mercedes S etc.).
Of the major car makers BMW stuck to its roots. They stuck to inline 6, which is a god tier configuration (of which only V12 is better), when other manufacturers switched to a more practical V6 (Mercedes etc.). Inline 6 configuration and better sound is something the general public doesn't really care about, only enthusiasts do.
They were the only one to make a RWD hatchback (1 series here in yurop).
They were the last to introduce FWD into their lineup. Yes we all hate this. But the reality is that today car makers can't win having just 3 versions of cars. They have to cover the whole spectre of niche cars to make money. Mercedes now offers cheap entry-level FWD cars and BMW has to have a competitor in that market. It's not that BMW is stupid and evil, they just have to do this to stay in the game. If you want driver oriented cars such as M235i to exist you have to accept FWD BMWs. My father wants to but a FWD Merc and I keep telling him that that's not a real Merc, but see not all people are all about that FWD fun an technical perfection.
BMW have introduced forced induction relatively late into their normal models. Again - a company sticking to its core values.
The only problem with BMWs is that they are expensive since they are in the luxury market. Well that means one has to buy used.
>>13954173
Also, wasn't it 2014, where a study showed that over 80% of 1-series owners think it's FWD. So much for enthusiast cars anyway.
>>13954195
>normies killed the driver's car
>>13954195
It's a similar story as with Apple. At some point the normie group of people started to but Apple products because the brand was fashionable, not because of technology. Then when a company has primarily normie customer base, the products become more bland and they start to feature-compete with other normie brands.
>>13954221
And that's why it pains me when I see threads such as this - ow the interior is not some nice as some other brand. Yeah well. So what. The gas pedal hinges at the bottom as it should. In the front there is a good engine. The power goes to the rear as it should. Everything that matters is made excellent. If you want your fuckin interior buy the fashionable cars such as Audi with their stupid animated blinkers and pointless ornamentation. But maybe if you drive a BMW you'll be ruined for the rest of your life since other cars will feel dead to you...
>>13954221
>based Mac Pro with dual quad core Xeon processors in 2008 and upgradability on par with PCs
>trashcan 2013 Mac Pro with who the fuck cares and how the fuck do you do anything
>>13954246
>upgradability on par with PCs
That's because it IS a PC. Just running Apple OS.
>>13954253
By that I mean you don't have to compromise on absurdly expensive Apple specific parts. I'm planning on sticking a GTX 970 into mine. Plug and play.
>>13954241
>>13954173
thanks anon. i needed that
Anyone who says the interiors are the same as a civic is fucking retarded. Plain and simple.
>>13954025
They sure didnt spend enough money on not making them start on fire
>>13953964
aesthetically i find it better than any similarly priced ford
cant talk about the material quality because i haven't sat in an f30 but its a german car so i expect it to be overhyped
also its gonna age like shit just like the e90, but ford interiors age even worse
>>13953964
I like my e90 interior. It's boring but it's quiet and solid and everything feels nice to the touch.
Modern Merc interiors are much nicer though as a few have said. The C Class is a great fucking value.
>>13954043
They abandoned that path over a decade ago anyways.
They're only after the soccer mom and neo-yuppie market now.
>>13954025
>BMW spends money where it counts.
>>13954025
>Drive it and you'll see why it's more expensive than a civic.
I have and the newer models just aren't fun. That and a 320i isn't fast at all either, doesn't even have BMW's good I-6.
They have fallen behind a fair bit, E60 was probably the start of that downfall.
>>13954173
>They stuck to inline 6
But they are abandoning it in favor of turbo 4's.
>>13957108
most base 3 series has a 3cyl actually
10-15 years and they'll shift the 3er to fwd 3-cyl glorified ecobox and add a higher //M trim with awd and turbo [spoiler]v6[/spoiler], you know its true
and yes i am aware spoilers dont work here
>>13953964
I literally thought this was a s197 interior from the thumbnail.
>>13957117
>most base 3 series has a 3cyl actually
Yeah, nah.
>>13957123
You're right, its actually getting it in 2016
>>13957142
The one they had in the i8 I assume? Or something similar
>>13957145
no idea, all I know is it will replace the current engine in the 318i and be a turbo
and there's a matter of the 316i, i wonder what they will do with that
>>13957153
90hp N/A i-3
I would kek
>>13957223
>that one german racer kid who would keep trying to claim its fast because of the badge
if bmw made them every single pimple faced fucker here would buy one used for his 18th bday in a few years and they'd all show their inferiority complexes by reving the fuck out of it everywhere
>>13957145
The same one in the new base model MINI. a tarbo 3. Part of their big plan for platform sharing with mini.
>>13953964
Not the best BMW interior, but try actually sitting in a Ford.
>>13954147
>typical americans
>Lexus
wut
BMW interiors are great. Not many buttons and shit stuff around. Got a quite old 120i (2009) and I like it more than my 2016 Golf.
The Golf might have more toys but the 120i feels like luxury.
>>13953964
i`ve driven in a 2006 Mondeo, holy fucking shit that car was awful, the interior is below anything I would even expect from a western car, its lada-tier
honestly my 1994 BMW E36 316i coupe had better sound insulation and way better ergonomics than the Ford
Not even comparable to my ex 1999 E46 interior
>>13954147
>nice, easy to use layout
>good materials
>good build quality
>That interior is dogshit tier
k
Interior was never a strong point for BMW.
>>13954173
>worse reliability
What is this fucking meme? Oh right, USA BMWs are made by Mexicans and break down more easily. My bad.
I work in a tire shop, so I get in and out cars all day.
The look is very subjective, but in terms of quality its been almost standardized across the board in newer cars. Expensive stuff may spend a bit more time on fitment and panel noise and such, but really the difference between something like an Accord and an AMG mercedes is pretty minimal. Just aluminum and fake wood grain instead of plastics.
>>13954107
At least E90 hoods follow the front facial features. Who the fuck thought the F30 style "line across the front" hood was a good idea? Thanks crash regulations.
>>13961268
got a BMW at Mexico, not sure where it is made (an 120i) but works like charm. Probably shit service of US people.
>>13963004
nice try, juan escobar del rey, mexicans have never been able to build anything for shit
elegance in simplicity? thats all I can guess
>>13963010
better than US, Spain, India, other countries I think manufacture is better.
Just seen the VIN and the 120i is made in Germany. But had a 2013 Jetta and have a 2016 Golf and quality is nice. Way better on the Golf.
>muh emissions
>>13963039
>mexico
>better manufacturing than US
Keep cooking up this comedy gold along with my dinner, juan
>>13963039
Mexico is the reason half these "American" cars fall apart after 50k miles.
>>13961499
It does ruin the lighter color BMWs (Alpine White, etc.) but hardly noticeable in a dark shade.
>>13954024
(I'd say 40-60%)
ITT retards who haven't driven a 2016 civic.
It's slow and weak as fucking piss.
>>13957055
Honestly, the e90 interior has not aged that poorly.
>>13964228
>Civic fanboys
>Ever using logic
>Ever being able to afford a car that isn't a used econobox
What did you expect
>>13957055
>also its gonna age like shit just like the e90, but ford interiors age even worse
The E90 is not that bad.
