3800 S2
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Is it a meme engine? And why?
>>13953639
>3800
>a meme
kill yourself, its literally the only acceptable v6
along with the 93 f150
>>13953659
I think you're forgetting all VQ engines.
>>13953659
> 2JZ
> Not an acceptable V6
I think you are the one who needs to kill yourself
>>13953672
Please be bait
>>13953639
Literally the worst sounding engine of all time.
If you live in a Australia there is a faint but constant MANGMANGMANGMANGMANGMANG in the background hum of every city from someone doing a burnout in their 3800 powered Commodore.
/o/ likes them because they're reliable, common and come in shitboxes they can afford.
>>13953681
>its bad because one person hauled ass in one with no exhaust
>driving for sound
god i hate Australian millennials
>>13953681
My brother has a 3.8 in his vs, sounds decent
Maybe because it's a proper exhaust and not some rusty shit with a billion holes and a super cheap fart cannon
>>13953694
Oh and it has some fancy custom intake plenum so I'd say that's why it doesn't sound like shit
>>13953701
I call bullshit. They don't sound good. Ever. Not even once. Even the open header with ITB formula holden cars still sounded like shit
It's a really good engine, as you know people on /o/ like to hate things which is why everybody itt is complaining about the sound it makes, of all things.
Yes it doesn't sound that great but keep the exhaust stock and it won't even matter, you'll barely hear it.
The only thing you'll really have to watch out for are LIM gaskets
>>13954240
>as you know people on /o/ like to hate things
There used to be a weekly thread on 3800 series II.
The only people hating on it are those that don't know shit, it's a great engine.
>sincerely, an import guy
>>13953659
>its literally the only acceptable v6
It's a pile of shit whose only good quality is it's reliability
There is NOTHING beyond reliability a 3800 is good at.
Wanna make power? The heads flow like shit so unless it's boosted, you're screwed. And even when boosted, it doesn't make enough power to justify the massive 3.8L of displacement.
Want a good sound? The 90* V angle and retard-tier firing order (1-6-5-4-3-2) will make sure you can't get a good sound from it. The only reason it was around so long was because it was cheap to make and reliable. It was actually cheaper to make than the more advanced 3100/3400 V6 engines that usually slotted below it. The 3100/3400 are actually better platforms for making power.
>no one mentions the LC2
>>13954713
ported heads on a turbo 3800 make a huge difference, I got 400 WHP on my 3800 before demodding. I was told my particular setup was good for 600HP if I really felt adventurous. I never went to the strip because I didn't feel like testing the transmission at it's limits
Also, which 3400 came with forged internals?
>>13953639
That engine would have been godmode if it had been made in aluminium. It would be the LS swap, before the LS got around. think of it.
>cheap as balls
>compact
>light as hell
>hooks up to RWD transmissions
>factory supercharged
The last thing would've allowed for a pulley swap for power, or, given the lower compression internals, a budget turbo build instead. It would've been the ideal swap motor - and GM could've made big bucks off it, had they played their card rights.
>>13953672
>2jz
>v6
>>13956011
Hell yes it is. The 2JZ is an offset-crank 360 degree V6. Fucking newfags.
>>13953659
>along with the 93 f-150
The f-150 is a v6?
>>13953639
>is it a meme engine?
Almost
>and why
Because Americans.
>>13953659
>kill yourself, its literally the only acceptable v6
Except all the other good V6 engines.
>>13956031
>The f-150 is a v6?
I don't know when, but eventually they switched over from the 4.9L I6 to the 4.2L V6.
>>13956022
nigger what?
>>13955962
>Also, which 3400 came with forged internals?
none
The 3800 flows like shit and sounds like shit always.
>>13955999
>>light as hell
>all iron engine with iron heads and a blower thrown on top for good measure
Nope. Not light.
The 60* V6's were just about always better. Given the heads usually flow better, the 60* V angle, aluminum heads of gen 2+ variants, and the splayed valves of gen 2+ variants, the 60* V6's are better, on paper than the 3800 could ever be. There was even a high flowing, high revving 24 valve DOHC variant. The 60* V6's would've been a better performance alternative to the 3800, had GM thrown the research and development money at the engine it needed, beyond a special snowflake turbo variant (LG5), and a special snowflake twin cam variant (LQ1, pictured)
I have a supercharged 3800 S3 (better heads than the S2 and forged rods) and I have no complaints about it. The trans it's connected to is garbage but the engine is fine.
>>13956078
List to what >>13955999 (me) said before that:
the 3800 would've been godtier if it had been made in aluminium. It would've been lighter than an LS, even with the supercharger, with better packaging too.
>>13956098
And if you added that same shit to the 60*, they'd have beaten the 3800 even when equipped similarly. You're comparing 1960's tech to 1980's tech.
>>13956098
There's also the fact the 60* V6's are even more compact. Because of the 60* V angle, they're narrower than the 3800, as well as lighter and perfectly balanced internally.
They're still cheap because GM whored out the 60* V6's even more than the 3800.
There was a turbocharged variant (205 HP, 1989-1990 Pontiac Grand Prix Turbo), and it does hook up to RWD transmissions because it has the SAME bolt pattern as the 3800. The V6's used in the F-body cars from 1982 until mid-1995.
To prove my point, here's a 3.4L LQ1 DOHC variant, in a Camaro. GMfags know the LQ1 was only ever sold in FWD cars, but it bolts right up to Camaro transmissions.
>>13956156
> turbo and 200hp
What a shit heap
Na 3.8 makes over that
>>13953672
lol
>>13956110
Problem is the 60 degrees never came as cheap per hp as a supercharged 3800.
>>13956156
They may have been more compact - but 3800's had the same bank angle as the SBC, and that 90 degree angle didn't stop anyone from cramming an SBC into, well, everything.
Sure, cheap, but they don't have OEM boost available, unless you count that relatively rare and inefficient turbo setup, that by now has very little aftermarket support in terms of performance.
I kinda like the idea of that light, small DOHC V6, but something in me want a light as fuck pushrod V6 instead, just for shits and giggles i say a Lotus Seven.
>>13956166
It was the 80's. Find me an engine from the 80's that, N/A produced 200 HP that wasn't a fuckload larger than 3.1L. The only one that comes to mind is the Yamaha-built 3.0L SHO V6.
>>13956198
>hur dur SBC
A 90* angle is the perfect angle, for a V8. For a V6, the perfect angle is 60*. This would be why all the best V6 engines were 60*
>unless you count that relatively rare and inefficient turbo setup, that by now has very little aftermarket support
Milzy Motorsports and WOT would like a word with you. You want it, chances are, one of those 2 have it available.
milzymotorsports.com
http://wot-tech.com/
Admit it. The 3800 is shit.
>GM
it literally shit
>>13956031
>he doesnt know about muh 300 str8 6
>>13956022
Loled
>>13956038
>>13956422
I know about the 300 i6.
Anon said that the 93 f-150 was the only other acceptable v6
Which to a person who speaks English it doesn't make all that much sense.
>>13956789
When you deal with foreigners you figure out what they mean fairly easily.
>>13956321
but im sure youd love a little ls swap tho
>>13956314
cept the 60 degree v6's are gasket eating shitheaps. also gotta love the sound of piston slap in the morning
>>13956844
The gaskets were redesigned in 2002.
Problem has a solution tard. And since you brought it up, the 3800 was known for the exact same problem.
>>13956893
lower intake manifold gaskets, yes. not head gaskets. either way they sound just as bad as the 3800 with that famous blurp
>>13956948
>with that famous blurp
Any vid that has that? I'm curious of exactly what you mean.
Thanks
>>13953639
>transverse v6 in a minivan
its a legend
>>13956948
>either way they sound just as bad as the 3800
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLVm-tS7ips
>>13956975
that sounds terrible, its wildly hunting and stumbling and backfiring.
