>FWD
>sedan
>Thinks he can compete with people on the track, touge, rally field, or street race
laugh at the cukcukcuk
CU,CKHOLD!
I'm sorry. What was that?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sukHNCNGpns
>>13897595
>fwd
literally c'uck: the drive layout
>>13897603
>implying his car is a CTR
>>13897619
Fine. I suppose this is more accessible. No less impressive.
>Faster than an R34
Deal with it fags
>>13897595
Troll thread but ill bite
>With people
with what people? People in lambos or some fucking GT-Rs?
>>13897626
>implying his car is this new
>>13897628
>some fucking GT-Rs
bring it.
>>13897634
Get over it.
>>13897643
how can you defend a FWD sedan?
I can respect some fwd
but a fwd sedan is a family econobox through and through
not even Takumi could redeem it
>>13897647
>taking anything in Initial D as fact
Wow. It's not an act. You're legitimately retarded.
>>13897658
how can you defend FWD sedan?
imagine all the weight on the engine
the fucking UNDERSTEER
it'd fly off the mountain at the first turn
there is no way to turn well in a FWD
>>13897669
If you design the car right, you can get around understeer. Try throwing a new Opel Astra OPC into a corner. Try to induce understeer, I dare you.
That limited slip differential will not let it happen. An LSD makes a huge difference.
>>13897678
i guarantee you this guy's car is not built for that
>>13897679
There's a limited slip diff available for any car. Hell, you can get a bolt in LSD for a Chevy Cavalier.
>>13897686
doesn't change that fwd can't corner as well or drift and exit at max speed
FWD can't do real speed
it's physics
why do you think drag racers use rwd
>>13897619
>>13897634
>>13897679
So the problem, surely, isn't the drivetrain itself, but rather that OP probably can't afford a good example of it?
Not sure what point you're trying to make here...
>>13897699
You're arguing physics you don't know buddy boy. give up while you can.
Pic related is a pro FWD car that does 7.3 second 1/4 mile passes. 2.0L 4 cylinder Ecotec engine making 1400 HP.
>>13897699
drifting is literally useless except for in rallying
>>13897713
>1400 HP
wow, how much of that is usable again?
>>13897704
so the only way for FWD to win is to use daddy's money?
HAH!
>>13897714
then why did Initial D use it so much
why is the Drift King even existing
>>13897720
drifting is an objectively slower way to corner. Why do you think Sebastian Loeb has won the WRC so many multiple consecutive times? He was the first driver in a long time to stop drifting around corners. Drifting scrubes off speed because the energy that could be used for cornering is instead used to push the car sideways.
>Daddy's money
Nope. Just need to know what your doing. The 2WD class of American rallycross events is dominated by FWD Dodge Neons
>how much of that is useable again?
All of it. Otherwise, it wouldn't be so quick.
>>13897738
it's $5000 to install an LSD
you might as well buy a RWD car and not be so disadvantaged
>>13897720
Decent fwd is as cheaper to make than decent rwd. That's literally its main advantage. You seemed to be assuming OP couldn't afford either.
>>13897743
where's you get that quote? An LSD is like a grand, then it's like a grand in labor to remove and reinstall the transmission, with maybe an hour or 2 to actually install the LSD in the transmission So all in all, under $2500 if a shop installs it for you.
Stop pulling numbers from your ass.
>>13897766
my shop charges $5000 minimum
>>13897772
Your shop is raping you without lube. The reason for that quoted price is because they don't want to o it and are hoping to scare you away from it by jacking up the price.
>>13897738
sebastien loeb was just faster than everyone else
>>13897669
Brake you idiot
>>13897833
watch his driving style. It's not just being faster. He doesn't do a lot of useless sliding.
>>13897842
nor does anyone else
>>13897833
BECAUSE he didn't slide around every corner.
>>13897865
In his earlier career they were still sliding. It's like what James Stewart brought to motocross, he was the only rider to perform a "scrub" when jumping to cut his time in the air, and that made him super fast. Now everyone does it.
>>13897647
>>13897720
>it happened in a cartoon so it must be true In real life
>>13897893
based in real life
>>13897952
Not really
/r/ing the Initial D screencap with the incorrect engine info. I remember Vtec being mentioned in it.
>>13897952
>based in real life
>nobody can beat a fucking corolla on a touge
Yeah ok.
>>13898083
it is though
Is it about the car or the driver /o/?
you fucks seem to flip flop based on what's convenient
FWD can win because it's the driver!
Corolla can't because it's the car!
>>13898091
So a skilled driver with an fwd car can beat a driver with a rwd car. Also takumi should have lost to god arm, he just won because he's the main character
>>13898091
A corolla wins because of the driver. The AE86 was always outmatched. He's just saying just because it's rwd doesn't mean it's amazing.
>>13897952
holy fuck your retarded
>>13898108
why should takumi lose to god arm?
and FWD is inherently inferior
a good FF driver is like a mediocre FR driver
>>13898913
Because god arm seriously outdrove him.
But because dagumi is supposed to be unbeatable the writer just decided to go full deus ex machina.
Like, feeling sick and getting out mid race to vomit? Really?
>>13898950
tell me more stupid bullshit
doesn't change the fact that RWD is always better
>>13897595
Faggot.
>>13899054
>doesn't change the fact that RWD is always better
Look at the performance stats for a 2000 Ford Crown Victoria and a 2000 Chevrolet Impala. Before anyone bitches, they were listed as direct competitors.
The Impala is lighter, FWD, has 2 less cylinders, an IRS the CV could never get, is faster than the CV (regardless of whether it's the 3400 or the 3800), out-handles it in every single measurement. and gets better fuel economy.
Drivetrain layout is not the only measurement in determining whether a vehicle is good or bad
>>13899103
>gmshill
dude cmon
fwd is worse for performance
the facts are here
>>13899116
>>13899151
>fwd is worse for performance
>it can't drift so it's bad
get over yourself faggot. There's nothing wrong with a well-designed FWD. You are blowing tiny issues that have found solutions throughout the years way out of proportion.\
You can't dispute the fact the Impala out-handles and out-accelerates the Crown Victoria
>>13899168
but FWD literally can't corner
it's physics
the weight LEAVES the drive wheels
>>13899175
again blown way out of proportion.
Show me irrefutable proof that all FWD cars can't handle. And no. Your Korean cartoon doesn't count and neither does anything dealing with drifting.
Also, defend this.
>>13899175
Thats why FWD cars use spoilers. To keep they weight on the wheels when cornering.
>>13899183
Nsx lap was in the wet
Nsx lapped the ring in 756 as fast as a c5z
>>13899188
that makes no god damn sense
>>13899191
>Nsx lap was in the wet
No it wasn't. Was done on a dry sunny day on an episode of Top Gear
>>13899183
The actions of one FWD car don't define the handling of every FWD car.
A 9mm pistol is good for shooting fast with low recoil, a .45 can shoot harder, but has more recoil.
"OH BUT THEYRE BOTH HANDGUNS SO YHEYRE THE SAME!!!"
No.
FWD is good. RWD is also good.
But they're different.
I suppose you think 50's engineering is the best for gas mileage because the Opel One was customized to get 356mpg.
You can't generalize a group based on a single drop in a the glass.
>>13899198
by jeremy clarkson
>>13899208
FWD IS GARBAGE
>>13899216
If a difference in drivetrains makes a type of car garbage for you then maybe you need to look in the mirror and evaluate your own user error.
>>13899232
its PHYSICS
the weight leaves your drive wheels as you accelerate making it harder to control
>>13899235
Yeah, but if you're not flat out hooning then why would you care?
>>13899241
because that's the exact kind of driving we're discussing?
>>13899193
You're a fucking retard.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knsR7hcSjyk
>>13899259
RWD is literally better
there's a reason Drift King himself used it
>>13899245
Whoops, I was redirected here by someone and only looked at the initial post of someone claiming FWD handles as well as RWD
>>13899272
so you admit RWD is better?
I've been locked in combat with this shitty recaros guy all day
you better settle this
>>13899264
The Drift King himself didn't hate FWD cars this vehemently and even liked a bunch of them. Pull your head out of your butt. Your ass is not a hat and you've started spewing shit everywhere.
>>13899264
So why are FWD cars dominating BTCC these days?
>>13899235
Acceleration isn't a problem, for most it's understeering through corners. FF drivers get around this by learnng how to trailbrake and brake with their left foot to keep the weight on the front tires through the corner to maintain grip.
this is the same faggot who has been shitposting about buying a prelude and other autismal bullshit
go get fucked man
>>13899280
If you're talking handling for Togue and the like where cornering and maintaining power to the wheels is key, then yeah I'd say RWD is better.
But as always, that's just my opinion.
>>13899303
not opinion
its fact
dont hide it
>>13899285
You are correct, but to deny that FWD is not a disadvantage is just being blind. I have no problem with FWD, but RWD has inherent advantages as a platform. This does not mean all RWD is better than all FWD, but there are inherent disadvantages that cannot be fully overcome with FWD. A good driver and a good car can still overcome a RWD car in a FWD car however.
>>13899308
which is what I've been trying to get OP the retard to understand, but he seems convinced a RWD will beat ANYTHING FWD because RWD. It doesn't work that way.
OP, show me a Crown Victoria that can out-handle a Cobalt SS
>>13899307
If it'll make you happy I'll say yes. RWD IS better for performance racing environments involving corners and a flat out acceleration period.
There will always be odd ones out. But generally speaking RWD is nicer for cornering.
>>13899327
show me a FWD sedan jap car that is better
No type R or mazdaspeed
>>13899347
>>13899347
>show me a car that's better
>but not these cars
>>13899357
not a sedan
and new corolla is shit
why buy that
when i can buy a RWD Miata
>>13899369
>>13899369
Suck a dick faggot.
>>13899373
but how is it better than my miata
>>13899385
because 20 valves
>>13899390
what about my honda
can i beat a miata
>>13899396
yes. It's been done before.
>>13899411
ill never win
initial D said my honda fwd sedan is hopeless
hopeless!
OP said so too!
>>13899385
>B-but my Miata.
Faggot.
>>13899414
OP is missing a brain. But what else do you expect from who takes a Vietnamese cartoon as fact
>>13899423
>B-but what about American Muscle. Glorious American RWD will save the day.
Guess again.
>>13899452
now compare it to 90s honda
>>13899459
Why? A recent Mustang can't out perform a FWD Czech eco wagon.
Pretty sure your argument about RWD being oh so superior is fucked now.
>>13899478
>implying
Grow up
Integra GSR can't win
>>13899483
What the fuck are you talking about?
You said RWD is superior?
Clearly it isnt. Doesn't matter if it's Jap or whatever. Fact is there are FWD cars out there that are better than RWD cars.
Besides your argument is fucked anyways. Because if you really want performance out of a car you get AWD.
>>13899452
>muscle
>v6 mustang
Come on...
>>13899556
How about a family hatch and a V8 mustang then?
>>13899587
Just for shits, Z06 or CTSV?
>>13899594
>ctsv
kek
>>13899599
HA! thats no surprise actually. Trying to think of others. What the dodge 4 door they use as a police car all the time? Do that one.
>>13899599
>FK2
more like
FKU
amirite
>hurr fwd is bad
Compare the car and driver not the fucking drivetrain faggots
>>13899621
FWD is bad though
>>13899690
No it's not. You're just too much of a faggot to see it.
>>13899702
i love you
>>13899605
Charger?
Actually, make that a Charger Hellcat, just for shits.
>>13899605
Isn't that CTSV a 2005 or so model?
>>13897603
Rwd fanboy fags will NEVER admit that chassis and suspension design are all that matter. It doesn't matter how many times the get proven wrong.
>>13900796
Only on /o/ could you get away with saying some retarded shit like this. IRL you'd be laughed out of the pits.
>>13900819
>>implying fwd cars don't race.
Yeah ok cum stain, keep pretending your highway pulls count as racing.
>>13900846
>>13900846
>>13900846
>changing goal posts
Nice try autismo
>>13900868
Never set any. You made that up.
>>13900796 was my first post here.
>>13900868
And stop pretending you've ever raced. You havn't. Nobody with even an amatures car knowledge would harp on driven wheel like you.
Chassis design and suspension are all that matter. That's fact. It's not up for discussion.
FWD, RWD, and AWD have their merits. Why do we bitch about it again?
It's like the faggots on /k/ who bitch about .45 ACP or 9x19 when they're not even close in terms of cartridges.
>>13900889
I've raced more than anyone on this board. FWD is garbage.
>>13900892
If economy and leg room counts as a merit.. I guess.
>>13900895
>>races more than anyone on this board
HAHAHAHAHA!
>>13900903
They obviously do count as merits.
>>13900895
I dont even believe you own a car after that statement. Prove it.
>>13900908
>facebook meme
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
NORMIES GET >>>/out/
>>13900923
>>trying to distract from looking like a fool.
This is the best you can do? Criticize the source of my images? Just admit you're wrong and stop being a cunt.
Or don't, I don't really care what people that don't know shit about cars think of my opinions on cars. I'm right and they aren't because I know better.
>>13900950
You don't know shit you clueless weeb. RWD is inherently better than FWD in every way that matters for performance. Keep believing your fairy tales. Fuck it's like I'm on honda-tech circa 2001. Thread hidden.
>>13900988
>>Ran away because you lost
Unsurprising. Keep losing to civics!
>>13897772
Yeah because "your" shop is either fucking you over because you're a retard, or the shop you work for is fucking stupid and it makes sense with people like you on the staff.
>$5000 to install an LSD
literally lmaoing at how fucking stupid some people must be to pay this when you could do it yourself for the cost of a torque wrench and gear paint.
FWD is cheaper to manufacture than RWD, that is the only reason FWD exists.
/thread.
>>13902432
And safer for people who don't know how to handle a car.
See: retards.
>>13902432
>Implying it's not for efficiency, and ease to drive
Ever notice why old men have their Corvette/Charger, and then DD their shitbox Kia or Toyota?
Because they've gotten stuck before, and know FR sucks.
Also, I'm willing to bet that if an FF, a FR, and a MR were driven up a course that they've driven before(No co-driver) the FF would win.
