>I love driving!!! :^)
>I step on the gas to go
>I release the gas to not go
>manual is for autists
>>13883608
Automatic a nice
if people want automatic they can have it. i don't need it.
>>13883608
>I enjoy making myself slower with outdated technology
>>13883629
>yfw it's all you need
Automatics are better for drivers' cars. Automatic transmissions are more enjoyable to drive because they let you focus on the thrill of driving and the road ahead instead of focusing on operating the clutch and shifting gears.
>>13883641
>>13883656
https://youtu.be/FxrWTZjtCXo
How hard do I have to step on the gas to drive like this?
>>13883652
god damn
when will this stop being fucking posted
>>13883656
No they do not, Automatic transmissions also means torque converters and torque converters mean 0 engine braking.
Not only that automatics do not downshift before corners, they down shift half way through corners causing under steer as the weight of the car is being forced toward the front wheels.
Why the fuck do people think race cars are manuals?
>>13883656
grate bate mate
>>13883608
Automatics are great for daily drivers and drag racing. They can hold hills and require less foot and hand work, which is especially useful in drag racing, where flat out consistent acceleration without interruption is key.
Semi Autos such as Dual Clutch transmissions have their own stay in racing and daily use too. They can do both daily work and track work fairly well nowadays.
Manual transmissions are more enjoyable in cars that can take better advantage of them, like sports cars. Especially in challenging to drive areas like canyon roads, togue, and what not.
Why do you guys have to make senseless arguments over everything?
>>13883710
Because leagues like Formula One have banned automatics and CVTs, of course.
>>13883710
You can engine brake with an automatic, I do it every day on my commute.
>>13883714
But he's right. Automatics are objectively superior.
>>13883641
>I think I am Ayrton Senna and need to shave every hundredth of a sec but I really can't come anywhere close to the limits of my shitbox.
I had the pleasure of driving my friend's automatic today
>on highway
>time to pass
>step on gas
>nothing happens
>3 seconds later
>vroooooom
>less power due to torque converter
oh I can't forget:
>no engine braking
>>13883844
condolences about your friend driving a shitbox
>>13883807
>I refuse to let go of obsolete technology from the Industrial Revolution
You're a poorfag, a hipster, or a boomer, or some combination of the three. I feel sorry for you.
Idk why people bitch about autos so much... here in Australia every auto can be driven as a manual...
>>13883735
i love you anon
>>13883844
Autotragicfags will defend this.
Torque convertors dont lose torque.
>>13883656
Actual quality bait
>>13883735
Also auto for off-road
>>13883735
Because "enjoyment" is subjective. One mans fun is another man's misery.
>>13883710
You CAN engine brake an auto.. Have you ever actually driven a car before?
>>13883971
Can't forget about that either.
>>13883981
But if you know that, then why senselessly argue about it?
>>13883871
Better than being a millennial, such as yourself.
>>13884023
I Don't, I can't stand this auto/manual shitposting.
Manuals are great, autos are great too. I'd rather an auto for start stop city driving. And a manual for fun, towing, twisties etc
It's one thing to prefer auto over manual, another entirely to behave like a smug cunt over being unable to drive manual.
Deficiency isn't a good thing.
>>13883710
>torque converters mean 0 engine braking.
wut.
This is why people who think manualfags who shitpost are idiots: They have no idea what they are talking about.
>>13883844
That's all about the way the transmission is set up, not the style of transmission. In a present-day BMW, if you leave it in the default driving mode, you'll have a pretty big lag when you put your foot down to pass. If you throw it over into Sport mode, the shift will be almost instant.
The problem with automatics is that the mass-market ones are made for normies. One could say this about manual transmissions made by anything downmarket from Porsche, but hey.
Manual is for cool people, automatic is for nerds xD
>>13884564
Manual is for people who make car noises with their mouth.
>>13883873
Holy fuck, the bait is real
>>13883608
manual gear box is too hard
>>13883844
>3 seconds later
>vroooooom
lock up cluch just kicked in yo
>>13883871
>boomers
>preferring manual
M8 have you looked inside of like 85% of muscle cars or hot rods, they're mostly automatic because muh knees
>>13884282
Do you even know what engine braking is?
Every single automatic car i have ever driven has no engine braking because it engages the torque converter when braking or going down hills to save fuel instead of revving the engine to help slow the car down.
If manuel is so great then why is it getting phased out? It's old, outdated technology. You manuelfags are worse than boomers.
>>13884806
demographics is why
>>13883871
I truly wonder what the people who post this kind of shit look like and if they truly believe the things they post. Sometimes i wonder if they even drive
I owned both auto and manual. Manual is better for full control over how you drive so better for sports purposes. Now driving auto because its more comfortable for daily commute.
Manuals are for petrol heads,autos are for people who have better things to do.
>>13884806
Same reason everything is changing - convenience. It's easier to drive a stop go car than a manual one. Doesn't mean stop go is better, and doesn't mean manual is either but that's why it's changing
>>13884778
I think you don't know.. How do you engage a torque convertor? Are you talking about about a lock up clutch?
You can't engage or disengage a torque convertor.. Its fluid dynamics. You go into gear and it still works.
Go get in an auto and while driving drop it down a gear.. The engine revs hard and you can feel it fighting back aka engine braking.
If you keep it in D then most autos won't downshift under braking true, but to say its not possible? Then you don't understand how transmissions work
>>13884828
Have you ever engine braked with a manual transmission? I think you need to look up what engine braking is
>>13883656
is changing gears a distraction to you ?
>tfw everyone takes the bait
>>13884778
So when I restrict my own gearbox to not go above second gear when going down a hill and the car keeps a very low, controllable speed without me touching the brakes that isn't engine braking, although the speed is completely correlating with the RPM... that isn't engine braking? Am I just imagining that I'm able to engine brake going down a hill in my automatic car?
>>13884831
Yeah you are an idiot.. Thanks for confirmation
>>13884778
Oh man, you need to stop. You are so wrong it's painful.
>>13884842
You cant just drop down a gear in most autos, idiot
>>13884844
Dumbass. Low quality bait.
>>13884845
Have you even driven an auto?
>>13884847
>implying I can't grab the - paddle in my W212 and drop it three gears (7->4) to slow down for a highway exit.
It works every morning brah, and it's a traditional automatic with a torque converter.
>>13884852
Are you saying you CAN engine brake? Or that you can shift down gears at will in your automatic?
>>13884856
Both. At 79 mph in seventh gear, the engine spins about 1800 RPM. As soon as I command a downshift via the paddle on the steering wheel, the engine speed increases commensurately. Fourth gear puts it about 3000 RPM.
>>13884860
If I take my foot off the skinny pedal, the engine speed drops with vehicle speed because the transmission is locked.
>>13884860
This is entirely correct. If you have a semiauto with paddles/updown stick you can change gears as needed.
It obviously has its limits is not allowing you to shift into 1st while doing 100mph. But a manual won't allow that either.
And engine braking works, just not as well as manual due to the whole fluid/physical contact with a torque convertor or clutch.
Thus whole thread is bait
>>13883735
>drag racing
I don't get it, what's the point?
>enable launch control, because if you are already using aiding systems (auto transmission), you might as well also use launch control
>floor it when light goes green
>whoever has the fastest car wins, driver skill is completely irrelevant
how utterly boring
>>13884911
>drag racing
>driver skill
>not relevant
It's nice to see frothing retards posting. Makes me feel better about my average self.
>>13884948
Drag racing requires, arguably, less skill than circuit racing.
>>13884953
Put those goalposts down, buddy.
>>13884960
? No shifting goals here.. Get it, shifting hohoho
>>13884974
Huehue
But seriously. Drag racing involves a hell of a lot of driver skill. Obviously who gives a fuck about knowing how to corner-it's not relevant.
If you're shit at the stuff that IS relevant, then your car won't be running good times.
>>13883735
The actual reason autos are good at drag racing is consistent shift points and launching, especially with a higher-stall converter.
>>13884911
Most modern drag racing at strips is called bracket racing, which is about consistency. That's where the skill comes in. Everything has to be done absolutely perfectly to come as close to the time that you put without going under it.
>autoplebs can't drive the snek
Feels gud
>>13883871
>not having the best anti theft in America
>>13884282
Couldn't be any more true.
Here's an experiment for the retarded manualfags ITT who don't think you can engine brake in an automatic gearbox.
>find automatic car that lets you select to be in third, second, and first gear (older GM cars very commonly have this)
>go 45 mph
>put it in third gear
>observe what happens
>>13883710
>tfw your automatic jaguar x type engine brakes better than your manual miata
>>13885642
>you can engine brake in an automatic
>but only if it's half of a manual
but OP imma murican n manual is too harddd ;((
>>13885679
Are you an idiot?
>>13885642
It jeeps the shit out of your car because your stupid ads isn't meant to shift down into it while driving. Using the actual definition of autism, the pepole whining about manual because they can't understand that people legitimately enjoy would be more autistic than anybody.
>>13887168
>MUH MURRIKANNS
Holy fuck kill yourself already
>>13887183
Jerks and ass. 1/10 phone autcorrect quality.
>>13887198
Barely jerks. Get into a regulate old L23D auto and drive @ speed then then off overdrive. Its a bit of a jerk, not much - 3 and 4 gears aren't hugely different - not 4000rpms different at least
>>13884979
pushing the gas on time, and counter steering so your hilarious built-only-for-driving-in-straight-lines vehicle doesn't lose control and hit the wall?
what else is there?
Anyway I think we can all agree you're not a real enthusiast if you don't already own a manual sports car. Your just some slowfag who thinks his heavy as fuck auto trans camaro is "fast"
Manuel is a dying breed. Get used to it. Eventually driving itself will be considered a past time.
>>13883656
>instead of focusing on operating the clutch and shifting gears.
Please turn in your driving license, you're a danger on the road.
>>13883641
You probably drive a 2006 mazda 6 lol
>>13883971
Why? Don't you want to be able to control what gear you're in in some situations? Like in mud or anywhere with reduced traction.
Not b8 I swear
>>13887168
Fuck off back to /pol/
>>13883656
This is the kind of retard who has to think about breathing while he drives.
>>13883844
My 535i doesn't do that... maybe you shouldn't drive poorfag shitboxes.
>Poorfag
You know this site is 18 and up, right?
>>13888631
Oh yes please bmw slowfag do chime in even though a base mustang is faster
>>13888651
I didn't buy it to be a boyracer, I bought it because I enjoyed how the car felt and rode.
I own several manual cars, and several automatic cars. The 535i is my daily driver, and I couldn't imagine driving in LA traffic with any of my other cars.
I'm just saying a half-way decent automatic won't have the problem that dude is having.
>>13888732
> being a LAkuk
I drive in traffic everyday in my shitbox manual and shifting is literally the last thing I really care about. Sitting in traffic sucks in an auto or manual.
>>13888813
I think the people who make up the traffic excuse just dont know how to drive a manual and lie on the internet to sound cool
>>13888832
I was born and raised in LA, and I've been driving manual since I learned how to drive. "Hurr stick in traffic" is from autofags who are mad that manual doesn't let them text while driving
>>13889386
Auto is still easier to drive in gridlock traffic. Not that manual is "hard", its just easier in an auto. 1 foot 1 hand driving
>>13885497
That means my snek is safe!
>>13889462
Doesn't/won't post pictures driving it. Plz leave liar liar plants for hire
I was in stop and go for three fucking hours I'm getting rid of this 3 pedal nonsense now desu senpai
>>13883656
guaranteed replies
every time
>>13889475
You don't have to own one to take pics of yourself driving one
>>13889475
Don't have any of me driving it but this is from when I had it delivered to my house.
>>13883844
>drive a shitbox cobalt
>5 speed
>press on gas
>3 years pass
>engine goes vroom
It's not just autos. My Hyundai had better throttle response than this
>mfw
My car is both automatic and manual.
>>13891402
you mean its automatic with a shitt attempt at mimicking manual
>>13883643
>yfw manual is
>>13891402
No it isnt. It's an automatic by all definitions
>being this insecure about drivetrain
To be expected when the majority of posters are socially inept shut ins.
>>13893094
Blame the autotags who go HURR MANUAL IS FOR AUTISTS constantly
I cant wait for hybrids to take off.
>glorious eCVT technology
>all the pros of cvt with none of the cons
>can handle any torque with no slipping
>shifts instantly to always stay in power band
>fewer moving parts than standard
>engine braking comes even more naturally even when ignoring regenerative braking
the days of performance hybrids are coming but not quickly enough.
>>13889642
>Shitty dbw
>>13883698
Holy fuck
>>13893113
Autofags. This phone autocorrect is useless
>>13888158
fucking kek
>>13893113
It's not just them, it's a bunch of newshits who recently learned how to not stall their new manual shitbox and think they're a professional race driver. They're no different than any other knuckle dragging fuckface in a civic who grinds gears at stoplights.
Both sides are idiots. It's why these threads are so reply happy is because morons love to fling shit aimlessly.
>>13893113
I think you'll find it's the other way around. Manualfags are so bad, they're zeroing in on insufferable.
>>13893120
But can it handled modified power.
>>13893145
100x this.
>>13893149
I find autofags to be more cringe worthy because of bench racing. They are both bad though.
>>13893145
Even when I drove automatic the shitflinging was mostly from their side; typically from people looking of validation after they bought an automatic V6 mustang for attention
This board in general needs to be cleaned up, you can't discuss anything without some retarded shitposter spouting off fallacies and memes everywhere
>>13893151
more or less. The transmission itself can handle essentially any amount of power when properly designed. eCVTs are a uniquely stress free design that doesn't require lubrication but benefits from coolant. However hybrids cannot have aftermarket turbochargers since they would need special software to keep them spooled properly and it would be a huge mess. Only volkswagen produces turbo hybrids right now. Other brands have been succesfully supercharged.
>>13893174
I don't have a problem with people who drive AT as their preference, mainly because I'm not a rabid autist that has to spew memes and act like a retard, but I'll call out any retard talking dumbass shit about being mechanically superior to MT unironically because 9 times out of 10 they're dipshits who buy expensive cars in AT to showboat.
90% of you drive auto
>see someone posting about their auto miata
>call them a faggot and a non true enthusiast
>they reply with "hey man I have fun with it"
>tell them the disadvantages of auto compared to manual in depth
>"you're right but I still have fun in an auto"
I wish these people would stop existing.
>>13893204
Yeah this. Autofags are terrible because
>"manual is shit! It's outdated and no real enthusiast would want to be slower!"
Manual fags suck because
>"only posers drive auto! Real men drive manual"
Both are cringe worthy
>>13893232
Autism.
>I don't have fun with something therefore nobody else can
Gotta love this board.
>manuals have heavier engine braking than automatics
>manuals have less powertrain losses than automatics
>manuals are cheaper than automatics
>manuals can handle greater toque than an equivalent priced automatic
B-but what about muh traffic?
>can do first gear starts without using any throttle
>shifting becomes muscle memory
I literally look forward to driving my Mazdaspeed6 every morning, I don't even care about pulling it. Just rev-matching, heel and toe downshifting, and other manual techniques keep my drive fun and interesting. I have owned an A/T 2008 Mazda6 that did have a decent transmission, downshifted and up shifted alright, but having a M/T is just more engaging to me. I can also shift smoother than an A/T if I want to, and shift faster than an A/T if I want to. There are no drawbacks to driving M/T unless you think that making the driving experience a more interesting and complicated is a bad thing.
>>13883971
Nah. I prefer manual for off road. way easier to rock a manual than an auto
"Rock it barb"
>DURR ONLY AUTISTS DRIVE MANUAL
Retarded
>Buying a feelsy sports car as automatic
Retarded
>Shitting on somebody for driving an automatic A to B econobox
Retarded
>Justifying either with benchracing
Retarded
It depends entirely on the car but in general manual is fun whereas auto is comfy. I've been DDing manual for years but I will concede that when I rented a Charger the auto was kind of nice for when I was dead tired and didn't want to deal with a manual, I still wouldn't buy another car with an automatic though.
>>13893295
>Tfw I'm you
Glad to see more speed6 owners on this board.
>>13883735
>Why do you guys have to make senseless arguments over everything?
Nigga that's the entire point of this fucking website
>>13883698
>three wheeling every corner
My sides
That looks like barrels of fun though
>>13893387
>that's the entire point of this fucking website
This is my favourite meme.
>>13883851
Shitbox manuals actually have throttle response though
>>13883735
This is /o/, the home of "I don't like what you like, so what you like is 'objectively' shit".
>>13883735
>Semi Autos such as Dual Clutch transmissions have their own stay in racing
That is incorrect. Dual Clutch autos are not used in racing, only high end street cars. The sequential transmissions in race cars are more like upsized motorcycle transmissions, there's still manually operated clutch.
>>13884871
Why wouldn't a manual allow that? Surely it would just set fire to the clutch?
>>13893856
Yea but like a motorcycle, you don't really use the clutch when in race conditions except starting from a stop.
>>13883656
>having to focus on shifting
I've only had my licence for 3 years and I don't even have to think about shifting, I just do it by muscle memory. If you have to think about shifting after more than a few weeks in a stick them you are retarded and should not have your licence.
>>13893866
Yes, that is correct. You wouldn't call it an automatic transmission though. And depending on the car you may want to use the clutch for downshifts anyway.
>>13883641
Nope you enjoy having no driving skills.
>>13893980
The shift detents are still there though
>family only ever owned autos
>no friends into cars
>looking to buy a car
>want to get a manual but can only drive auto
what do?
>>13896663
watch a few tutorials on jewtube
then buy a manual
you'd literally have to be mentally retarded to find it hard and/or bothersome to shift manually after doing it for about a week
>>13883608
DCTs all the way desu senpai
>>13893959
>doesn't focus on shifting
>shifting is so much fun iksDDD
mhm
>>13884911
>how boring
Well obviously you are not an engineer.
It's like benchrest shooting. It's an engineer's sport.
>>13883608
i do love driving.
not in the city though.
and the highway is mostly 5th gear.
if i was still delivering pizzas in a hilly suburb i'd enjoy my manual a lot more, but rifht now i hate it.
>>13883844
>no engine braking on automatics
desu a lot of modern automatics have gear selectors on the steering wheel that allow you to set the highest gear the car can shift to. It's like a really unsatisfying manual in certain situations, although the car will still shift between all gears below the set gear at the proper time.
Honestly it's the nicest feature for long distance road trips; going down a mountain range in a fully loaded Suburban would be terrifying without the ability to engine brake.
