LS swaps: meme or mandatory?
Both
>>13883006
It's a lot of power for $500 and an afternoon.
You really can't turn it down at that cost.
>>13883012
This!
>>13883014
Oh yeah perfect compression too without a knock
Depends on the car.
>>13883006
Why not just put a body kit on a corvette and save half the cost?
>>13883006
It shows that you don't know what you're doing and want nice cars but can't into them bc you're too much of a talentless troglodyte.
>>13883238
>I'm going to swap an engine because I can't work on cars.
>>13883244
I said you're a talentless troglodyte. You know there are talentless troglodytes that work on cars, how do you explain all the faggots that can't do shit unless it's on a clumsy american motor?
>>13883286
you're a fucking fool, that's how. the faggot should shut the fuck up about faggots. It's a fucking motor. this shit isn't rocket science. stop being a shitlord and provide some actual fucking content.
>>13883006
Holden 355 stroker > LS engine
I have never understood why the LS engines are so god damned big and make so little power for what they are.
Pic related makes 330kw out of the box.
>>13883321
Probably because that's a crate motor. We can buy 420hp 350s, but the LS is still the better swap.
>>13883006
eh a grand a couple friends and a six pack or two is a hard deal to pass up
>>13883321
That's only ever come out factory in a couple of cars, and even then it was only 215kw. Add the fact that there's not a huge aftermarket for them and they are iron block/iron head heavy as fuck and you wonder why people even bother with those old pieces of shit.
Disclaimer: I have a 304 on my lawn ready to swap into my valiant. They are a joke of a motor with less power than just about everything else on the road these days
Im seriously considering making a franken ls3 out of an lq block.
Anyone knowledgeable about them? Do they also have 6 bolt mains? Also, turbo manifolds -anyone know of any that work well for a twin turbo set up?
>>13883006
proven meme
>>13883321
>Holden
I don't want it to shitpost all over my car.
>Not LS swapping
>Not wanting to make power
>>13883868
>wanting to ruin your handling
>>13883874
>ruin handling
>alloy block that sits further back than the extremely common I6 swaps
>>13883321
The LS1 made 297/300kw in stock trim, while meeting emissions and providing reasonable fuel economy and reliability.
Your old iron block shit is a pointless relic, deal with it.
>>13883847
Australians btfo
>>13883897
>Thinking all that piping and offset turbo doesnt upset balance and weight transfer
Once you commit to something like that you no longer car about handling, just waiting for a long open road where it might be safe to go WOT for a few seconds.. then still maybe die because of your shitty wet noodle S13 chassis
>>13883897
Not to mention an ls weighs less than the typical Japanese i6. Rotary to ls, the weabs might have an argument.
>>13883973
You do realize that someone with the money for an LS swap also has the money for additional bracing, suspension, and brake upgrades, right?
>>13883006
its just the easy way out
>>13884006
They only need $500 and an afternoon desu senpai
>>13883973
If it's burger spec, the offset turbo actually helps weight distribution.
A turbo LS is still no heavier, if not lighter than an RB25 when you account for all its turbo shit.
I know the turbo LOOKS massive and you think it's laggy as fuck, but remember it's being driven by 5.7L+ and likely on E85, it probably spools better than a factory SR. Clearly it's designed for nothing but skidz, but i'm just trying to point out that an N/A LS2 (lighter than 1/3) is actually a really good choice for a lot of JDM cars, considering the alternative is an iron block I6.
>>13883976
Rotary swap the world? Rotary swap the world.
>>13883014
>An afternoon
I know someone who's been working on a swap on his miata and with also going to school and having a job it's taken 4 months so far, and he started during the summer when he had a lot more free time. Maybe it's just because he's doing it right but it does not just take an afternoon
>>13884090
Hes clearly not australian then
where do you niggers usually source an LS from?
>>13884090
>Taking 4 months to throw an LS into something
What a poofta
>>13884121
Shitboxes.
In australia, you can LITERALLY get an LS1 for $500us, it's just a heap of shit.
Generally you aim for an LS2/L98 from a VZ/VE. Costs more, but better results.
>>13884177
am in aus, just get a yellow stickered VZ off gumtree?
>>13884190
Pretty much, yeah.
You're actually almost always better off picking up an auto and just using a manual ECU + refreshed T-56, for both cost and condition reasons.
>>13884213
noice, am looking to get more powar out of my pathy, no idea if i can even fit one int yet.
>>13884226
If not, you can fit an RB30/25.
>>13884235
its got a vg33e m8, heaps more power than a rb30.
>>13884090
desu bro when its usually a duration like that its usually money problems i see happening
>>13884090
Should have only taken an afternoon.
Are you sure he spent the whole $500? He may have not gotten everything he needed.
>>13883006
>not 2jz swapping for max meme machine
>>13885826
Forgot image
Meme for people that can't into dorito
>deliberately adding the exhaust note which announces the imminent arrival of a complete shitbag moron to your car
>>13883188
Can someone please do this?
>>13885854
Who said anything about a turbocharged flat 4, likely with unequal length headers?
>>13885817
>kek
Where are you getting these $500 LS swaps?
>>13883930
The LS1 made 297/300kw in stock trim, while meeting emissions and providing reasonable fuel economy and reliability
I think that's a bit high. More like 250kw
>>13885909
It's a meme
>>13883973
yes that piping is a problem, it's 3" bore and if you're running 25psi that's 75 extra pounds of weight
very bad for handling
>>13884006
>You do realize that someone with the money for an LS swap also has the money for additional bracing, suspension, and brake upgrades, right?
The money, but not the brain.
>>13883868
B-but the 1 sided backpressure!
Why not TT?
Ive thought about doing a TT turbo build,but im not sure I can get it to clear the steering shaft. How much clearance do you have there?
>>13885933
I- hnngh- wat.
>>13883006
>piston engine in wankel mobile
the only good dorrito is one that comes from a bag
>2015
>not removing the turbo
>not supercharging
>not using pre-mix
>not checking your oil like you should anyway
ayy lmao
>>13883006
> LS RX
> pushrod rotary experiment
>>13887123
>Take meme engine
>Put better engine in
>M-MUH PURITY
>>13885837
The import equivalent of the LS swap. I'm not saying it's a bad motor, only that it's overdone and the go to for the easy power.
>>13887345
I agree I love the engine though. And the cars they came in.
>>13883006
Yes
>>13883014
>$500
YEAH OK BUDDY
>>13885837
Madness!
>>13883321
>kw
We're not comparing microwaves here.
>>13887335
>pushrods
>>13886166
Not my car actually, just saw it at a cars and coffee. It makes an appearance in a 1320 video though.
>pic somewhat related, was also there
>>13885909
The junkyard.
Sometimes you have to pull it yourself, which can take most of the one afternoon. In those cases you'll have to add another afternoon.
>>13883874
Do you say that when people talk about RB/JZ swaps? Because I know for a fact that an RB26 weighs more than an alloy LS V8.
>>13883006
i bought a virgin great condition 99 ls1 camaro 5 years ago for 4k.
why not just buy it already 'swapped' into a camaro, enjoy your 400 rwd hp, then move on in life?
Yes LS swaps are a meme please leave all the junk yard engines to me k thx
>>13887501
>metric a shit because I'm too much of an inbred amerikek to use superior measurements
>>13890249
It's an engine, not a microwave.
>>13890249
almost spring time in aussiefagland eh
>>13887590
Ls coils?
>>13883006
supercharged LS2 generates the best sound in automotive history
>>13890249
> tfw a yurokuk realizes that imperial measurements are based on highly composite numbers and are easier to calculate with, especially by hand
>>13892571
>12 inches in a foot
>3 feet in a yard
>1760 yards in a mile
>16 ounces in a pound
>128 fluid ounces in a gallon
>water freezes at 32°F and boils at 212°F
>0°F and 100°F are defined by some guy's coldest winter and some guy's body temperature
SO EASILY TO CALCULATE WITH
Meanwhile in Europe
>1000 millimeters in a meter
>1000 meters in a kilometer
>1000 grams in a kilogram
>1000 kilograms in a ton
>1000 milliliters in a liter
>water freezes at 0°C and boils at 100°C
JESUS CHRIST THIS IS SOME MORONIC BULLSHIT
>>13892600
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highly_composite_number
do some reading fagboy
>>13892611
And how does this help anyone with anything? Meanwhile my sockets aren't based on fucking SIXTEENTHS OF AN INCH and I can convert between units simply by moving the comma.
>>13892633
> how does having a lot of nice divisors help anyone
just get out, you mathematically illiterate moron.
I'm not saying imperial is perfect, far from it, just that it's not any more arbitrary than metric.
>>13892646
You don't need nice divisors if everything is based on powers of 10. The division does itself with powers of 10.
fucking math nerds
just pick a socket that fits, fuck it
>>13892675
>not picking your cars according to whether they fit your sockets
>>13892671
that's not really that advantageous if you need to divide by anything other than ten.
>>13892691
So what, it's not like you can comfortably divide 48 inches by 9 either.
>>13892688
>not having all sizes of sockets
>>13892702
You can easily divide a foot by more numbers than you can a meter. it's pretty convenient.
Most of the time when you want to divide a unit in metric you get some decimal fraction.
You just like metric because in a simplistic sense it seems superior. The consistency is nice, but it's far from perfect.
>>13892721
>divide 12 inches
>2 or 3 or a multiple of each
>divide 100 centimeters
>2 or 5 or a multiple of each
Wow such a gigantic difference.
>>13892740
you're coming up with random numbers kuk
i'm talking about the units themselves
you can have 100 inches and 12 centimeters if you want
>>13892748
So you're admitting that division is equally hard or easy in both systems, except that you can't move commas in the imperial system?
>>13883006
>weak aluminum block
>hypereuretic pistons
>cast iron connecting rods
Meme as fuck desu. Lq engines are much better.
>>13892769
> you can't move commas in the imperial system?
This isn't useful all that often. They should have used a more useful base than 10.
> So you're admitting that division is equally hard or easy in both systems
No, again read the page about highly composite numbers.
>>13892389
Yep, getting fairly common and there's a couple of kits available now for the non electrical minded. LS coils are also cheap as fuck and work better compared to Nissan coils so its a good mod
Kind of ugly though since you can't really hide them under the coil cover like the stock ones.
>>13892790
Dude, either you're going to name me a concrete example in which case inches would be more "composite" and easier to turn into useful numbers than meters, or you can shut your moron face right now.
>>13892807
1 foot is cleanly divisible by 2, 3, 4, or 6 into inches.
metric units are only divisible by 2 and 5 into the next smaller unit.
>>13892834
And that's exactly what I said. If you include 4 and 6 on top of 2 and 3 a foot, you might as well include 4, 10, 20, 25 and 50 for a meter.
>>13892851
> literally doesn't understand the advantages of bases other than 10
I'm talking about from one unit to the next.
If you skip units in imperial you can add more divisors as well.
>>13892861
And if you skip units in metric you still only need to move the comma.
>>13892866
it's not an advantage that you have to do that to make division easy
why isn't metric base-12 you fucking faggot
>>13892877
>seriously suggesting that using base 12 units (despite the fact that every unit seems to have a different base in the imperial system anyway) in a base 10 numerical system is superior to using base 10 units in a base 10 numerical system
You're not making things easier, you're only cluttering them up. Feel free to move to Mars, grow another finger on each hand and start using base 12 for everything. Until then base 10 is the system that works the most in any imaginable way in the world.
>>13887335
The rotary engine is integral to the handling of that car. Compared to a 13b the LS is a skyscraper and there's no way you will fit it all the way behind the front axle.
Better? That's subjective, but for the RX7 I would hazard that keeping the rotary is optimal.
>>13892900
Oh, I know imperial kinda sucks, but at least some of the units are pretty good. Metric is universally shitty.
Also, counting in base-12 isn't really hard.
> Until then base 10 is the system that works the most in any imaginable way in the world.
Explain decimal's advantages relative to a base-12 system. The only ones I can think of is that you have 10 fingers (easily rectified by using a different method to count with fingers) and that people already know it. Being able to just "move the decimal" is just as easy to do in other bases as well.
If a unit_a is worth 10 (12 in decimal) of unit_b, you can just say
1 unit_a = 10 unit_b
1 unit_a = 100 unit_c (next smaller unit)
Not only that but you have 2,3,4, and 6 as divisors.
1 unit_a / 6 = 2 unit_b
1 unit_a / 4 = 3 unit_b
1 unit_a / 3 = 4 unit_b
1 unit_a / 2 = 6 unit_b
It's more compact, it has more divisors, arithmetic is even simpler than decimal (try it out), and not hard to manually count in at all.
>>13892980
>but for the RX7 I would hazard that keeping the rotary is optima
on a track car, absolutely. Street car I don't care if someone swaps a v8 in. I still would keep the rotary in a street car if I had one though. They just feel so right.
>>13892990
1 unit_a = 100 unit_c
1 unit_a / 2 = 50 unit_c
1 unit_a / 4 = 25 unit_c
1 unit_a / 5 = 20 unit_c
1 unit_a / 10 = 10 unit_c
1 unit_a / 20 = 5 unit_c
1 unit_a / 25 = 4 unit_c
1 unit_a / 50 = 2 unit_c
1 unit_a / 100 = 1 unit_c
>>13893025
100 has only 9 divisors, while 144 has 15.
I thought europeans had good math education.
>>13893051
>implying I can't make a 144 cm piece of pipe right now and then cut it up in 15 different ways
To what end though?
>>13893070
Holy christ you really aren't getting it.
The unit relationships are base-12, so you can easily divide a single unit.
>>13893070
>>13893086
both of you morons need to shutup
>>13893086
I can easily divide a single unit as well. What do you want, fourths, fifths, tenths, twentieths, twentyfifths? Hell, even dividing it by eight comes out at an almost smooth 12.5% of the unit.
>>13883006
Haram if it's on a Mazda RX, otherwise it's fine. Why would you want to put a piston engine in the only car that comes with a rotary? BUY A CAR WITH A PISTON ENGINE THEN.
>>13883006
you will pay more for the car than you will for the engine...
>>13883321
heres some FACTS the 308 doesnt exist outside NZ/AUS so parts may be a problem if you live in the USA.
its actually WIDER than a 350 chevy gen 2
so it may not pass the tape measure test. where you are measure twice, cut once
and 383ci is the wheezy limit for the 308 thats if it doesnt detonate first.
easiest way to get a LS is to buy the VT onwards commodore SS around it .
for all the people complaining the LS doesnt weigh that much more than rotary so you arent really losing any weight balance or any other retarded argument you intend to come up with.
the reason the rotary works so well in smaller cars is because its a tiny engine. expecting it to lug around a big heavy shell like the rx-7 is a big ask.
ITT : retards think that 75 lbs added to the front of your car with absolutely destroy handling. Every car that I've seen swapped to ls has improved track times and drag strip times. You're a pleb if you think that the very slight difference in handling affects the car more negatively than the power positively affects the car. Move the battery to the trunk for only 40pounds up front if you're that big of a weight distribution nazi.
>>13889813
I like those wheels
>>13883006
>mandatory Facebook meme
$500 and an afternoon baby!
As long as you're not swapping a damn LS or some other V8 into any rotary powered vehicle, then I don't give a rat's ass. Have at it. But dropping any V8 into an originally rotary powered vehicle is blasphemy.
>>13894036
But rotary is shit?
can i put one in a 90s gbody?
>>13894181
Are you free tomorrow afternoon?
>>13894181
im retarded, meant A body
>>13894195
Do you have $500 to spare?
>>13894210
yes
>>13894227
And are you free tomorrow afternoon?
>>13894239
no, i have shit to do
>>13894254
You aren't quite ready to LS swap your GM vehicle then.
Call me when you have a $500 AND a free afternoon.
>>13894266
i-i guess im not doing anything saturday, but i have neither an engine, or engine hoist
>>13894285
>pushrods
Bruh, you don't need an engine hoist for the LS
>>13884090
>>13885909
>>13887475
Lurk moar
>>13883286
*slow clap for the retard*
Does anyone think that swapping a 20b or Turbo 13b would make the Gt86/FRS/BRZ the REAL God Machine?
Like it would allow you to add wishbone up front and make it a dream to handle.
A modern day Rx7
>>13897576
>Allow for low hood line
>Even lower COG
>Weight even farther back
>Still have enough room for double wishbone
>Engine would be lighter
>Make more power, even n/a
Instead of contacting Subaru for the FRS they should have went to Mazda. The next Rx7 will be a beast. Have all of that plus carbon fiber and turbo. It will be expensive though. Maybe after Mazda releases the new Rx7, they will make a rotary Miata coupe. Priced more than the normal one, but not much. Would be bad ass.
Meme for dumb amerifats
>fastest rx7 is rotary powered
>fastest s chassis is sr powered
>>13897592
I have faith in Based Mazda to deliver the new Rx.
But if it doesn't come to life or is way to expensive for the average person (afford Rustang GT as example) I think in going to buy a crashed BRZ/FRS and replace the front clip with a ND miata and drop a rotary in.
And redo the interior with mazda bits (love the mazda steering wheels).
And use appropriate badges (put a rotaruu Badge here)
>>13900944
Something like this
>>13885837
too tall, long, heavy, causes bump steer
If you're going to be a heretic, LS is the superior choice.
>>13900944
It probably will be expensive. I'd bet Corvette level price and performance.
Maybe Mazda will make a non turbo version, or a Miata rotary that is cheaper.
