Subaru is like the iPhone.
They make the same thing over and over again and they just change the shape a little.
How have they gotten away with making essentially the same car for the past 20 years? Same engine same power same 4 wheel drive system same size same looking interior same colours.
It's like they don't even try and I don't see the difference between a 2004 and 2016. It's quite sad.
So here's to Subaru and not liking them.
>>13827937
>fixing something that isn't broken
Do you hear yourself?
i want a new legacy wagon
i do not want a forester
>>13827956
Everybody else is innovating and doing new exciting things and Subaru just keeps doing the same boring thing.
I seriously wonder what their plan is for the next generation of sti. They can't keep being unimaginative shits. Nobody likes Subaru right now unless they're buying a used one.
>>13828061
Actually 2012+ Impreza's use a new engine family, the FB engine, with new transmissions and a new AWD system
The new WRX uses a turbocharged FA engine like the BRZ, but without the BRZ's high flowing heads.
The STI is the only Subaru still using the old EJ engine.
Subarus have a cult following and so they dont have to change anything. I like subies, they are great cars, but it seems like every "car guy" either has one, wants one, or is against them. I used to love them but now im kinda over them.
>>13827937
but unlike an iPhone, they're quality products
>>13828117
Just like the iphone, the cult doesn't car.
>>13828143
And they don't offer features that everyone else has had for years and claim them as new and amazing.
>>13828061
>Nobody likes Subaru right now unless they're buying a used one
This is only true in the car community. Normies like Subaru for their plebmachines with AWD because it's "soooo good in teh snow".
>>13828361
This is the truth.
Subaru sticks with a good formula, and while they may be slow to change or innovate, they don't exactly have any competition to keep up with and lack of competition breeds laziness.
>>13827937
Porsche would like to have a word with you
>>13827937
Subaru sales have fallen pretty sharply for the past 5 years. Hopefully they go out of business in 15 or so years.
Why fix somthing that isn't broke. Pic related my 2016 wrx
Now that they're putting their turbos where they belong, instead of 7 feet from the heads, the only thing they need to fix is head flow.
Sadly, the front differential being behind the motor makes a proper FM layout impossiboru.
>>13828715
Except the WRX uses an all new engine unrelated to the old EJ engines.
>>13828676
Bullshit. Some of the features and tech in even the base Carrera are astounding these days, especially in the 2016 model year. If anyone is making a car as fast off the line as the 911 Turbo at its price point, please let me know. Porsche has also regularly produced some of the best super cars in the world as well as a strong "budget" model. only the M3 has more titles in touring and grand touring racing than the 911.
>>13828694
Bullshit
>>13827937
>20 years
Last time I checked, a 1995 STi had a 2 liter engine, and they switched to a 2.5 in 2004. The transmission and chassis also share no parts. Don't forget Subaru literally only sells as many total cars as Honda sells just Accords every year. They don't have nearly as much money for R&D as everyone else.
>>13828694
>sales have fallen sharply
Nigger what. They're at an all time high right now and have been making record sales for 4 years straight this month.
http://media.subaru.com/pressrelease/821/1/subaru-america-inc-reports-record-october-sales
>>13828061
The STi should be getting a variant of the FA or FB engine in 2017. They already make an FB20 with 300 horsepower in the Levorg, they just don't sell it here for whatever the same stupid reason is that the Japanese never sell their good products here.
>>13827969
This, or a Levorg
>>13827969
>i want a new legacy wagon
![maxresdefault[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/jPICCLU.jpg "maxresdefault[1].jpg")
>tfw no Levorg S
>>13828820
I think he meant this kind of Legacy wagon. No lift, giant roof rack, or plastic body cladding.
>>13828878
point still stands.
>>13828862
>>13828393
>b-but my RWD with snow tires is just as good
And yet RWD cars would get stuck in the parking lot all the time at my old apartment, AWD would just push on through.
>they're shit drivers
Then maybe everyone shouldn't be driving RWD in the snow/ice
Just in case
>but FWD
Still easier to get stuck than AWD
The gripe I used to have with Subaru were their interiors, but they're getting nicer.
And they have improved overall even if they stick with same chassis for a while.
>>13828820
>>13828878
I like the cladding.
>>13829526
It's for severing pedestrians legs.
>>13828780
Why is Mazda just barely getting back to where they were 20 years ago while Subaru sales have doubled? Wtf.
Actually I guess they're doing well, just not in America. On track to sell well over a million cars this year.
>>13829782
That's still twice as big as Subaru. They only sold 513,693 cars in the US last year, and they don't have much more room to grow. Both of their factories are at max capacity.
Only thing gay about subarus are
>300 hp
>40K USD
It's 2015, v6s have equal or more hp and torque.
>>13829804
They're actually best selling in Australia.
Mazda3 is the #1 selling car there, and it sells more than the Camry+Civic *combined*.
The CX-5 alone sells more than the Civic does there.
But their cars are also like 15-25% cheaper there.
Mazda's are overpriced in America, not enough are imported, and they have a poor dealer network.
CX-5's were originally selling faster than they could make them at release.
I feel like once that new RX-7 comes out, almost half their sales will be in Australia alone.
>>13829867
It will probably sell really well in Japan, where Mazda sells most of it's vehicles. I think it is a little under half of sales come from Japan.
>>13829828
First off, the STi starts at 35k including destination.
What AWD V6 can you get with a manual? Right now, if you want an AWD performance car with a manual, you're basically limited to the STi. Some V6s have more power, but if you need AWD there isn't an option available under 50k.
>>13829912
Actually, I believe they sell the most in USA, and as of the past few years they sell the second most in "other markets" (Australia, ASEAN, and soon Brazil).
They've been doing especially well in the new developing markets they've been opening up into.
Japan is third, and Europe is shortly after that, then China last.
>>13827937
not just subaru, porsche, mini (pre bmw) and the original beetle, numerous ford mustangs and chevies and dodges so its not just limited to just one manufacturer
>>13827937
The engines and transmission have been upgraded significantly since then. Better reliability, more power.
>>13829935
Don't forget the Lada Riva and Niva, the Hindustan Ambassador, or Nissan Tsuru either. You can still buy a brand new B13 Sentra in Mexico.
>>13829934
You are correct. I was looking at production numbers, not sales. I was wrong. They sell a little more in the US than Japan, but Japan is more than Europe.
>>13829966
Lets not forget how long volvo made the 240.
>>13830041
Shit man.
Now I want one of these just so I can pay someone to paint a big picture of this for my living room.
Stay pleb op
>>13827937
perhaps the Zaibatsu do not care
and its not like evo is around to put a fire up under their ass
>>13830334
You've got to consider that they're here to make profits.. Their shareholders want them to make profits.. Sports cars don't really make profits. Econoboxes that sell like hot cakes make profits.
>>13830293
the hatchback versions and station wagon of this are like roach infestation
as such the three box version is a rare sight
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9b/1997-2000_Subaru_Impreza_GX_hatchback_01.jpg
http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/3/3437/2201/33591100001_original.jpg?v=1
>>13830370
This is an image board.
You can upload images.
>>13830387
not two at a time
and I did not want to bother with stitching and re-encoding something so redundant
2ch.hk is better in this respect
>>13830370
The Legacy GT, which is what you posted, is rare as hell. It's usually only Legacy Ls or Outbacks that you see everywhere.
Source: I own one, never seen another with a manual.
>>13830401
I should clarify that I meant that the LGT is rare in wagon form. Around 80% of them were sedans.
>>13830401
the dealership in my town has one for sale @ 5k twin turbo with 5 speed transmission and all
a bit ghetto with 17 inch rims and an 8 ball shift knob, almost lost it when I found a Paul walker tribute sticker
>>13830423
That's a different car from the US version. The US never got the GT-B 2.0L twin turbo, our Legacy GT had the same piddly naturally aspirated 165hp 2.5L as the Outback, just with a limited slip rear end and some suspension and steering upgrades. It's a shame they won't be legal to import for another 6 years.
>>13830454
there is also one in dark blue across the street from me
engine completely missing tho
>>13828715
The the fuck do the wheels look so tiny on these cars?
>>13829944
Complete bullshit last gens ringlands prove you wrong
>>13830401
Ive seen plenty of legacy gt wagons in manual there is three currently on my local craigslist you need to stop posting this in every subaru thread
>>13830506
It's not a lie, I really haven't seen another. I just don't live in new england, Oregon, or Colorado, there aren't as many Subarus here, especially old ones.
I just checked, and there are no GT wagons on my local craigslist, the only second gens were two outbacks, one L, and one GT sedan. All automatics.
>>13827937
> he thinks Subaru is the only one that does this
BOY
DO
I
HAVE
NEWS
FOR
YOU
>>13830398
Step 1: Download the image
Step 2: Select the image in the upload field.
Why are you rationalizing laziness?
![No_9c79cb_2281709[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/KFeK74z.jpg "No_9c79cb_2281709[1].jpg")
>only subaru does this
>>13828423
MFW the only competition was the Lancer Evo which is being killed off.
>>13831429
Well, there is new competition, in the form of the VW Golf R and the Ford Focus RS. Also possibly the Dodge Dart SRT4 depending on what they do with it.
The Dart's Chassis can support AWD (as seen in the Jeep Cherokee and Chrysler 200) and it's well-known FCA is working on a new 4 cylinder engine family to power it.
Subaru is finally upping their games where their interiors aren't dogshit.
Their radios/tech packages are really lacking though, and basic accessories (e.g. remote start) are often dealer install. They also like forcing packages, where you have to take the whole thing to get one or two features you want (and a bunch more that you don't), which is really typical of Japanese auto manufacturers.
>evofags mad as shit that they're nearly extinct, despite having the "superior" product
>>13831519
>They also like forcing packages, where you have to take the whole thing to get one or two features you want (and a bunch more that you don't)
Yeah, that pisses me off.
I just want the remote start and keyless entry without having to get a big nav system I don't want or need.
>>13831465
Don't forget the rumours of an AWD 350hp MazdaSpeed 3.
>>13827937
OP, i wanna know what exactly happens in your 'perfect world'.
Do car manufacturers make a good car, with a good powerplant, and then the next year start over from scratch? Changing out the engine and completely redesigning the car?
Seriously, what is a good example of a manufacturer that has it right in your opinion?
>>13831642
>take old, good car
>1-up it in everything for the next generation
>sell at similar price
Done.
>>13831603
Lately I've been kind of doubting that will happen. I would bet money we will see a coupe Speed 6 first. AWD, turbo, and cost a little more than an Accord coupe.
>>13831727
That'd be fucking awesome, honestly.
>>13831603
Rumors are 300hp.
Concept was supposed to be this fall.
I'm doubting it hard now.
>>13831727
Would be better if it was just plain RWD and thus lighter, maybe around 3000lb even, making it around 400lb lighter than the Genesis coupe.
AWD just doesn't make much sense.
>>13831787
RWD would be preferred, but I don't think it would save much weight because it is a longitudinal engine. All of the fwd stuff would still be there right? Just disconnected? I guess they could but I don't think it would help much. I want an awd coupe too, the last AWD coupe that was cheap was the Celica GT4 and that was bad ass.
>>13827937
>Same engine
>same power
>same 4 wheel drive system
>same size
>same looking interior
>same colours.
Why change something that's good?
>>13831820
>EJ
>good
>>13831816
I don't think Mazda's newer AWD is good for rally like the Celica or 323, though. So I just don't get the point.
With proper RWD, and the engine not mounting traverse, it'd have a lower center of gravity as well.
Mazdaspeed3 would be nice as AWD, though.
>>13831816
>>13831842
The Mazdaspeed 3 was 400lb heavier than the base Mazda 3.
I would hope by making it a big smaller coupe, and proper RWD, it wouldn't get fat like the Mazdaspeed 3 got.
The 2007 Mazdaspeed 6 was 3600lb, too...
>>13831856
get a load of this shitposter
>>13829930
Doesn't matter when v6 pigfats smoke stis on strip and on track
>>13831856
fat keks
>>13831867
Kek get a load of this shit poster that doesn't know how to use google.
That's the base 146 and 212 HP engine option Mazda6's weight, FWD.
>>13831872
Kek same google fail and you're too retarded to notice it.
>tripfag
>post retarded shit while people can identify you posting them
Delete your posts, retard.
>>13831992
>>13832005
>making things up and giving no evidence
>>13832014
LMAO You can see right in the screenshot that the result is for "Mazda6" not "Mazdaspeed 6". Google can't tell the difference.
Holy shit you're retarded. Nice job dropping the trip to try and defend your retardation.
http://www.edmunds.com/mazda/mazdaspeed-6/2007/features-specs/
>CURB WEIGHT 3589 lbs.
Multiple sources confirm it's ~3600 lb.
>2015
>probably a millenial
>still doesn't know how to use the internet and a search engine
Just end your life right now.
>>13829966
Wow. Had no idea. My parents have a sentra of that gen, lots of rust. Needs a new hood, and door. Can I actually get cheap new color matched parts for this thing?
>>13827937
Op they get away with it because their primary market is middle aged parents who want something practical and Suburu provides such a car. They also have options for actual drivers that look nice and are easy/fun to drive. Just cause you don't like them doesn't mean they're getting away with some crime.
>EJ4LYF
>>13829966
Based Tsuru
>>13828715
Cool toyota, bro
>>13828715
Looks like a soccer mom car desu
>>13828878
i really hate the plastic body kit thing on the outback
>>13831856
u wot? Try closer to 3200 lbs for that 400 lbs heavier figure bro.
>2013 Mazda 3
2866 - 3104 lbs
>2013 Mazdaspeed 3
3281 lbs
If you want a rwd Mazda get a Miata.
>>13831603
Reminder Mazda announced a new Turbo Rotary Concept while not even a single 3rd Gen Mazdaspeed 3 concept let alone prototype/test mule has been spotted.
Subaru wants in on all that money Toyota, Honda, and Nissan are getting, so they have a boring lineup full of safe designs meant to blend into traffic
>>13828715
The new wrx is crap :<
>>13828715
nice corolla
>The Mazdaspeed 3 was 400lb heavier than the base Mazda 3.
>>13834162
>>2013 Mazda 3
>2866 - 3104 lbs
>2013 Mazdaspeed 3
>3281 lbs
How is 3281 not 400lb heavier than 2866?
It's 415lb heavier.
You guys really suck ass at math. Holy shit.
>>13827937
This can be said for literally any car that's continuously made.
Corolla, Mustang, Civic,Golf
You're a fucking retard
>>13837481
No. Look at bmw. Retard
>>13837481
No. Look at bmw. Retard.
And look how sti don't look or perform any different over the last 15 years.
Same shit engine
Same 4 door
Same sht interior
Same gold wheels
Same spoiler
Bla bla bla subaru is Bla
>>13838035
So getting bloated every year is better?
