Lexus is the BEST car manufacturer.....
>Prove me wrong
Pro-tip : you cant lol
lol XD
>No manuel
>Even on sports cars
>>13803413
god the middle one is disgusting
>>13803413
lexus is literally the embodiment of everything wrong with car aesthetics right now
>RRRRGH ANGRY HEADLIGHTS AND TALL DOORS WITH TINY WINDOWS MRRRGH
>>13803413
Best at making ugly shitboxes
>PREDATOR FACE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>RCF is pig fat, slower than it's competition
>IS hasn't gotten any faster than 1999, but fatter
>LFA was cool. Then they stopped making them
I still like Lexus, especially in the 90s. Probably my favorite luxury brand, but they need to step up in the fun department.
>>13803413
Why didn't they make the RC look like a slower LFA instead of going EDGY PREDATOR FACE XD
Fucking Toyota, you dumb fucks this would car would sell like fresh buns if it looked like the LFA Junior and it should've had a Straight Six turbo that would rev to the moon or a twin turbo low displacement V8 (3.8L) for the most powerful spec.
>>13803413
Besides the design department being utter crap now, it's hard to argue against that claim. Lexus makes sportscars, luxury cars, hybrid econo-boxes, luxury cross-overs and SUVs, and of course a world-class limited-production supercar.
The only thing they don't make is a pickup.
>>13803506
>Why didn't they make the RC look like a slower LFA instead of going EDGY PREDATOR FACE XD
This.
What we got: LFA
How we responded: Excellent car, well done Lexus, but a bit overpriced and 500 only.
What we wanted: Gee, if Lexus would make a cheaper (lets say 100k) v8 version of the LFA, that would be amazing!
What they thought we wanted: Hmm lets make a sports car that isn't very original by mixing the IS and GS together and just make it a coupe. Later, we just say it decended from the LFA, meaning its like the LFA, but cheaper!.
What we received: Abomination.
>>13803460
>luxury brand
>fun
You know better than that anon
>>13803957
>sports car
>luxury car
Pic one
No one seems to be able to tell the difference in this thread
>>13804020
>OP makes a thread: Lexus is best brand
>/o/ tells him he is full of shit
>"B-b-but their sports cars are not sports cars. They are luxury cars. They are not supposed to drive well"
are you serious dude?
>>13804049
You seem to have brain damage
>>13803957
Maybe the new Supra will be that car, but around ~60 to 70k. The LFAs styling is reminiscent of the MK4 already, just tone down the styling a bit, put in a TT I6, use much less carbon fiber (like mostly aluminum, with a little bit of carbon fiber and nippon steel). That would be a damn cool car. The only problem is it sounds like the new Supra will have awd, hopefully they decide against that. The FT1 concept is going back to the drawing board, so maybe they will drop the AWD and hybrid part. I don't mind awd, but only if it didn't up the cost and weight a lot.
Lexus design took a turn for the worse in the last couple of years, I'll admit that.
Anyway, I'm going for a drive in my god-tier LS.
>>13804020
Why can't they be both
>>13804104
Luxury brand
>>13804088
LS is the saving grace of Lexus. Pretty much everything Lexus stands for, and it's the only car that doesn't look like shit. They kept it's understated looks.
Anything post-2001 was pretty shit anyway due to ECU & wiring harness, but still better than the German kekmobiles.
If you don't care for dank mods 2001+ is fine
>>13804113
BMW, Mercedes and Audit make performance cars and luxury cars
>>13803957
>a bit overpriced
Everybody thought that.
But then they drove it.
>60 000$ for a marked down corolla
No thanks, i'll walk.
>>13804200
Bench racers, they will never know. Not that I will ever know either, but especially not bench racers
>>13804209
given the fact that you own a rusted 60 year old ford shit, and a fucking bmw, yes, you will indeed walk
>>13804123
Is that the car you wrecked or did you get another one?
>>13804274
>mfw Chrysler and anything associated with it
Jesus.
Ell oh ell Ecks Dee Dee Dee 1!!!1!!
>>13804123
>>13804614
gsguy rekt his gs?
>>13804834
Spun out and used a curb to forcibly remove the diff and rear wheels iirc.
>>13804834
GSGoy Treequinox'd
>>13804200
Did you not read the few words before I said it was a bit overpriced?
>>13803413
Lexus/Toyota are the choice for people who buy cars based on rational thinking and logic. Objectively they are the best cars (for the most part) for a number of reasons.
Not everyone buys a car based on pure logic however and Lexus is beat by other manufacturers in many ways which appeal to buyers on a subjective level.
>>13805558
We all know lexus is reliable and their quality is superb for the money. What we dislike about Lexus is their new exterior design.
Its a love it or hate it design, so can't argue much to those who love it. This also means those who love it shouldn't argue with those who hate it. Get what I'm saying?
Its split.
>>13805532
Doesn't matter. It's not overpriced. It's a confirmed god machine.
>>13803413
>We will NEVER drive an LFA
This is the worst feel an auto enthusiast can suffer
>>13803413
no
not even close
>>13807011
I've yet to see one in the wild.
The howl from its ten angry cylinders must be glorious.
>>13807011
but im a manual enthusiast so its a good feel for me
>>13804054
Why do you act like a kid? You really 16 or below that?
lexus is the most generic brand you can settle with. even regular toyotas are more interesting
>>13804209
Lexus doesn't share any platforms with Toyota, except the ES and maybe some SUVs
>>13809826
ct too
>>13804274
>Mazda just as reliable as Toyota
>+ more based as fuck
>+ more cheaper
Why do people even buy cars from other manufactures
>>13806373
I wish all their cars looked like the LS. The new LS kind of has the predator face, but not too much. Everything else is too flashy, that's never what Lexus stood for.
>>13809831
I forgot that car exist. It would be cool if it was rwd. I can't think of any rwd hatchbacks, not since the Chevette.
>>13809852
bmw 1 series
>>13803413
>450,000 dollar Toyota
>Pigfat failure m4 competition
>v6
>>13809866
Are you even trying
>>13803413
>Toyota
Oh shit oops I just did
>>13809866
>v6
are you fucking stupid?
>>13804834
Yeah I replaced the rear subframe and wheels right after it happened 5 months ago or so
>>13809826
Actually only the IS and the GS are the ones that aren't shared. But even those cars are based on an updated N platform which was shared with other Toyota vehicles. The NX is shares a platform with the RAV4, but heavily revised with Lexus-only components. The other vehicles are either based as shared platforms or in the case of the GX, still marketed as a Toyota outside N. America.
>>13803413
Drive a 2014 IS250 awd. Outside of the gas mileage and lack of power, this car is amazing. The ride quality and interior are fantastic.
Literally have had zero issues with it even while putting heavy mileage on it and driving it over the last two winters.
>>13803413
Why do these "sports cars" have to be automatic
>>13804200
>>13803957
They sold every single one of them long before they were built.
It wasn't THAT overpriced for what it is. Maybe it should have been 225k-275k instead of 375k, but it was a lot faster than every 120-500k car except for the GT-R Nismo. When you're spending that much on a car, an extra 100k-150k for the exclusivity isn't a big deal.
Also looks like it's probably really fun to drive if you can ignore that it's a Lexus.
>>13809837
Stupidity.
They don't make an informed decision on what car to buy. They just go "Toyota and Honda are reliable, right?" to themselves, walk into a dealer for them, and decide based on what the sales person tells them.
Dunno anon. Try and convert your family members. Tell them how they have some of the best safety ratings, their least reliable car is more reliable than any other manufacturers, they drive nice, nice tech, best interiors for the price.
You probably won't sell them on sportiness, but there's a ton of other things to like about them even if you're not going for sportiness. More people should buy them, then they can afford to make us more Mazdaspeed models and RXs.
>>13814753
I seriously think the go to "what car should I buy?" for most people who buy economy cars should be Mazda 3/6. Everyone, even on, usually says a Civic or Corolla. The new go to should be a Mazda 3. They are better in every way, and just as cheap. Whenever threads like "I want a new economy car" I say get a Mazda 3. I should start telling my friends and family to get Mazdas when they are looking for new cars. Even a few more people driving them on the road can lead to more people noticing them, and than even more into a snowball effect. Then they reach the same level as bigger OEMs like Volkswagen and Honda.
>>13803413
>>13814768
Yep, it should be. But Civics have been a thing for decades, while the Mazda3 is only a little more than a decade old.
The 3 was basically a Protege, but people don't follow cars and draw the connection.
Mazda sales have been rising sharply since the Skyactiv models, but they're still 1/5th the sales of Honda or Toyota in America. Hopefully it keeps up, but yeah just do your part I guess.
It'd be godly if Mazda could spin off a luxury brand like Genesis and make crazy shit like they were doing in the late 80s and early 90s again, along with being able to offer a Mazdaspeed for every model.
They can't even make a proper GT car.
The RC is fat and slow.
Their carbon fiber super car is out run by a GTR for a third of the price.
>>13814847
It would be great if Mazda could keep growing. Even though I'm a huge Nissan fan, they don't deserve to be selling as well as they are. If only quality actually sold, we would be seeing Mazda and Nissan swap places today.
Last I heard, the plan for Mazda is 4 new models by 2019. three of those is a new Mazda 3, 6, and CX9. I'm betting the other car in that plan is a new crossover, since they sell. This plan was made before the RX-Vision, so I guess add that car to. They are going to introduce some turbo engines next year to. They are making one "variant" of an existing model also. Most people would think Mazda speed 3, but I think the turbo hot hatch market is pretty saturated right now. It would be cool to see an awd, turbo, coupe Mazda 6. In 2019, they are supposed to be in stage 2 of their reconstruction plan since leaving Ford. Maybe by then we could see a switch to rwd, HCCI engines, semi-luxury and maybe even see more rotary engines. A far fetched dream, but it oddly seems so possible.
Before than though, I hope we see
Turbo Miata ND
RX-7/9 (whatever it will be called)
Mazdaspeed 3/6
That would be a really solid sports car line up, on top of their very solid economy car line up.
>>13814768
I drive a 2014 Mazda 3 and will second this...it's a great car. My friend has a 2014 Civic that I've driven and while it is also pretty good, I'd definitely say that the Mazda 3 has it beat in fun factor and drive quality, though the Civic has a few more features and a couple better MPGs
>>13814904
Nissan USED to make cool stuff, and now days Renault-Nissan is one of the largest car companies.
They don't now, they didn't put the IDx in production either, so fuck em, yep.
Mazda has made a really nice balance between sporty, reliable, comfortable, tech along their lineup. And it looks like they intend to make the next RX7 a rear track car for the street again.
I'm sure they're going to make an RX7 even given their current situation, but I wish they could go further than that.
I doubt we'll see a whole RWD lineup unless Mazda makes a luxury brand like Genesis(which I think are all RWD?)
>>13814909
Don't they get like identical MPG? He must drive more economically than you.
>>13814753
If I were to buy a new car today it would be a Toyota. Scion Im specifically. I want mpfi instead of direct injection, want a hatch, dual zone auto climate, double din stereo that I can replace with aftermarket, made in Japan, 6spd and know that it's not going to rust in snowy climates.
>>13814955
We probably won't see a full rwd line up, but I bet a few cars will turn into semi luxurious rwd cars or they will make more expensive luxury cars. One of the two will happen, or something in between those two. I'm pretty confident they will make a new rotary sports car, a turbo Miata and one other fun thing. I think they are going to want to use their new turbo engines with more than just the CX9, and Mazda has said a turbo Miata isn't out of the question. In a few interviews about a year ago they said they want a sporty variant of one car to. Even if it was a fwd Mazda 6 coupe, that would be cool.
Sad what happened to Nissan. There was a time where they were probably the most fun of any Japanese automaker. Lots of good used cars though, especially if you live in Australia, NZ or Japan. Maybe one day they will return to their former self, I'm still hopeful. Especially now that Honda, Toyota and Mazda are making some fun cars again and have plans for more, maybe they will jump on board. The GTR and 370Z are fine, but they are getting old. Both were released in 08 as 09 model years. They are almost 8 years old.
>>13814974
Mazda fixed rust problems like 15 years ago.
Mazda3 is hatch with dual auto climate control, that offers a 6 speed manual.
I don't know about the faggy stereo shit, though.
>>13814974
Why mpfi instead of DI?
>>13814986
I doubt it
>>13814995
Because I don't want to spend $350 having the intake blasted with walnuts to get rid of the carbon build up every 30k miles.
>>13814983
Oh, yeah. Mazda has been shifting more and more up scale.
Their base prices raised this year but they include a lot more standard so they're still a good value.
But I don't know how far they can really take that, but they do need to make more per car since they'll probably never have Toyota/Honda volume.
I did hear they might make a Mazda6 coupe, who knows.
Turbo 2.5l from the CX-9 and RWD instead of AWD would be nice. It'd be like a Genesis Coupe.
Looking at what Nissan is offering as concepts (outside of the IDx that they stupidly shelved), I don't know if they'll ever be fun again.
>>13814996
You doubt facts? Are you retarded?
>>13815000
Carbon buildup usually does not happen.
Even on the cars it frequently happens to, VW brands, it's still only as high as 1 in 6 on the most common cars.
In years since Skyactiv engines have been out, I have not heard any reports of carbon build up problems with them. Mazda seems to have the least issues (none) of all the DI engines.
Maybe don't make such blanket assumptions.
>>13815028
And you can 100% back your claims with providing any proof to back up your claim whatsoever. Quit being an autistic dipshit. Mazda makes throwaway cars. Just because the dash is copied from a bmw doesn't change the fact that it's still a econobox.
>>13815001
Making awd from fwd is easier than rwd. I would prefer rwd too, if it was possible.
Their base prices are going up, but also because recently they said they want to make more rwd and luxury cars. It was in a Nikkei article. The Mazda president has said he would prefer to have more quality sales and less volume.
Nissan may never be fun again. GripZ, that selfie shit, and a bunch of other normalfag shit. The new GTR doesn't seem to be in any hurry either. They had that Vision grand turismo thing, but that isn't actually the new GTR (right? I hope not). If Nissan makes a new Z preferably with a turbo version and a new GTR I will mostly forgive them, but I'm not sure if it will happen.
>>13815038
> take transverse fwd-biased awd
> remove front driveshafts
> ???
>>13815037
Since 2007 they have not had rust problems at the very least. That's 8 years of no rust problems. The fuck is there to prove and how do you expect it to be proven?
YOU prove they're rust buckets, shouldn't that be easy?
Mazda has had almost 5% of market share in Canada where such issues would be prevalent. If there were rust issues, it'd be common knowledge instead of just a few retards on /o/ repeating the same stuff from 15 year old cars even though it's changed since they can't afford new cars.
>>13815058
You're there to claim that every vehicle that Mazda has produced since 2000 has no rust that's your claim. Or you can stop being autistic and realize how fucking unrealistic your assertions are, especially when recent Mazda built since 2000 have been known to rust.
>>13815028
It might be partly because Mazda's Skyactiv-G engines have super high compression ratios. The new Mazda 3 has a 13.0:1 CR and for comparison, a 2015 Golf TSI has a 9.6:1 CR + a turbo.
captcha had a vw golf in it, kek
Mazda is literally a meme brand
>>13815113
>a car company starts making all of their cars driver-oriented instead of the standard drivel for normies that most others put out
>they get rave reviews and a growth in sales
>making an attractive product is a meme
>>13815137
>shitty lightweight steering with no feel
>lolfwd unless you get a barbie car
>strongest engine makes under 200hp/200lbft
>beloved by nocar memesters who've never driven one but will shill misinformation relentlessly
>>13815058
>>13815071
As far as I know, Mazda had a major rust problem in the early 2000s with the Proteges, the first Mazda 3s had rust too. After that I don't see much rust. It really isn't that bad with the cars that aren't the 3/protege, not sure why. It does exist though, and worse than a post 2000 car should be.
Whether they still rust or not is debatable, and hard to tell. The type of metal they use now is far different from the ones they used 10 years ago, so I think it is a safe bet to assume the rust will be no worse than any other company right now until proven otherwise.
>>13815151
>beloved by nocar memesters who've never driven one but will shill misinformation relentlessly
heres your reply
>>13815174
nocar memester detected
enjoy that magic mazda that doesn't rust with a DI engine that doesn't coke up
>>13815151
>more attractive than any other econobox
>better interiors than any other econobox
>faster than any other econobox
>more fun to drive than any other econobox
Sure the Miata is the only sports car in their line up right now, but all of their cars are the best in each segment. They have a solid line up right now. They will probably start making more fun cars soon again. They are finishing up reforming the brand after it left Ford. Once the new CX9 comes out they will have a very solid car in each segment, they can focus on their zoom-zoom image again.
![1414797779930[2].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/FxghKp3.jpg "1414797779930[2].jpg")
>>13815189
>they're quite good if you compare them to shit cars
that's nice dear
>>13803430
made me kek
Also yeah Lexus is pretty fuckin gay. Big Toyotas with leather seats
>>13815195
Most cars are shit cars. Most people buy shit cars. Being king of the shit cars is more important than having a 100k car that laps the burgerking in 7 minutes to the average consumer.
Just about to sign a contract and go work for Lexus, work shop is cleaner then the inside of my dishwasher. Fucking humidity controlled engine room, pristine white everything.
Going to be good going from Hyundai/Nissan/Suzuki/Izuzu in a run down shit lord workshop.
Though lack of diversity may become tedious after a while.
>>13815199
>burgerking
>>13815199
hate to admit it but the king of the shit cars right now is probably the civic type-r
>>13815206
but the type r isnt available in the only country that fucking matters
america doesnt give a fuck about your fwd shitbox
I like the looks of the predatorface Lexus.
>>13814955
The Civic has some eco mode thing that puts it a bit above
>>13815196
Lexus at least has some cars that aren't based on Toyotas in the US (there are Toyota variants in Japan, but Toyota makes some luxury cars in Japan). LS, IS, GS, RC and GX share very little with any American Toyota. Better than Acura, Infiniti, Buick, Lincoln or even Cadillac can say.
>>13815202
Friend was a Hyundai mechanic for a long time and then applied to job at Porsche.
Everything is surgical and sterile as fuck, they can't even listen to radio, etc.
>>13815099
It's a probably a combination of things. Keeping the valves hot, and the positioning of the valves to get the right compression at low RPMs probably helps.
>To eliminate the problem of intake valve deposits that plague current direct gasoline injection engines, the engineers at Mazda determined that deposits are formed when intake valve temperatures fall below 400 degrees C. Measures were taken so that the intake valve would operate above this point to reduce deposit formation.
>One of the biggest issues with direct injection engines is a build up of deposits on the intake valve. Mazda determined that this was largely due to the intake valve being too cool. A lot of analysis went into designing the heat paths away from the valves to keep them at the proper temperature to avoid deposit formation.
They've been around for 4 years. If there were carbon deposit issues, we'd have heard of them by now.
The turbo 2.3l DI engine Mazda made in the past and used in the CX-7 and Mazdaspeed does sometimes have the issue (Like I said, even in the worst case like with VW engines, not everyone experiences the problem. It depends on driving habits on each car). They probably learned from that and how to fix it, while Ford still has the problem.
Carbon build up issues in those engines appeared in less time than the Skyactiv ones have been around, so presumably they'd have shown up by now if there was a problem, especially since some engines get buildup problems in 10k-20k miles.
>>13815206
The Civic Type R is different, it is an all out performance car based on a shit car. You could call it the king, but at that point it is competing in a different market.
Besides, as long as it is 2015 the Evo is still around. Please 2015, why do you have to end so quickly...
>>13815250
I forgot to mention that Cadillac has a few cars not based on Chevvys, but not as many as Lexus has based on Toyota.
>>13815256
>surgical and sterile as fuck
I hope so, I work clean and with a OCD style of work anyway. Thats a big issue of where I am now, I don't see a reason in being one of the only clean people. Gloves, Seatcovers, floor mats, guard covers, clean tools, clean clothes...im all about it
While I can't use my own radio they do have a station they play and its not fucking shit, its a station here that is based on rock between like the 60's to 90's so that wont be so bad.
>>13815260
there are carbon deposit issues and people in the industry have heard of them.
>>13815297
Why have only "people in the industry" heard of them, and no owner of one of the like million cars sold so far with a Skyactiv engine after 4 years?
But owners of ecoboost, the Mazda 2.3 turbo, VW/Audi, and so on have all reported problems within a few years?
>>13815328
stop being retarded of course owners have heard of them, they report the problems in the first place
you just hear what you choose to hear
>>13815336
I tried searching for issues and couldn't find them.
I know you lie and make shit up a lot, so that's probably why you didn't attach any source.
>>13815356
If you're trying to piss me off you've succeeded.
>>13803413
Lexus got some nice sedans and maybe coupes but that's about it , the best car manufacturer would have all good on average ,like Mercedes.
>>13804020
>what is porsche panamera
>what is aston martin rapide
>>13815374
Maybe don't tripfag if you don't want people to remember your full of shit posts and attach them to you.
>>13815390
hahaha okay sorry for insulting your precious mazda you thin skinned twat
>>13814552
An IS350 would've made more sense.
>>13815058
I can confirm this mom drives a 6 speed Mazdaspeed hatchback and it has no rust and is always parked in the driveway never in the garage and hardly washed during winter not a spot of what yet in North Bay ontario in mapleland
>>13814552
Remember to sell it before it turns 5. Then the value starts to drop even worse and all the expensive repairs start to happen.
No manual option in the LFA
>>13815746
You're quite mentally defected, aren't you?
>>13804274
>believing consumer reports isn't in the pockete of the Japs
>>13804274
BMW isn't near the bottom or lower middle? And the 3 series is their worst? It should be the 7 series.
