Hey /o/ i'm getting my first car in 2 months i should have at least 8k saved up, i was thinking of getting a 2000-2005 ford mustang. If possible getting the 2005 would be the dream but i don't think anyone will sell a v8 instead of the v6 for 8 grand. I was also thinking of buying an older bmw 3 series and hooning it out. what are your opinions
>>12012151
Don't get the v6 stang. You'll be laughed at and you'll regret not having the v8 once you outgrow the power of the v6. Bmw is your choice, but I'd get a mustang gt
Your parents won't lend you an extra grand or two? I too would strive for the v8 and as you see they hold their value. Don't think it happens that often these days but if you check one out and the owner sees the excitement from a first time buyer they might cut you a deal.
>>12012151
both cars are crap
>>12012151
8k could get you an earlier SN95 Cobra
New Edge (99-04) should be easy to pick up for 8k or even less. I've seen many 03 GTs with decent mileage and even manual for 7k.
Friend of a friend got an 05 GT for only 9k, but it had 135k on it and first year build so I'm sure it's got some gremlins. Still, I'd go new edge unless you're set on the new body style of 05+, which IMO is awkward until 08+ when it got new bits and pieces and a bump in power.
If you're going for a v6, fucking stop. Go get something that was made for a v6 as the top trim. The 3.8 essex was used forever until 05(?) when the 4.0 v6 came out and is still slow and sounds terrible. Reliability wise, the 3.8 is decent bar headgaskets, but it's only good use was in the 89-95 Thunderbird Supercoupes with the eaton m90
>>12012151
8grand will get you a clean new edge GT if you search hard enough
unless you are buying a brand new mustang, never get a v6, they are almost universally terrible
its pretty apparent most of the posters in this thread are 16
get yourself an RX 7 mate
>>12012235
your crap faggot stangs are the shit
>>12012242
This. Or perhaps a New edge Mach 1.
>>12012151
Also, never get a BMW that's not an M-series. Period.
>>12012151
insurance for you owning a mustang as first car will be 300+ a month, get one of these
>>12012334
The only new edge mach 1 you will get for $8k will be beat to shit or have a salvage title. Those go for 15k+ in good condition.
>>12012334
Hell, there are a few New Edge Mach 1's in craigslist with ~90k mileage for $7k-$9k. I say go for one of these for your first car. Great car to learn your shit in and it'll hold it's value.
>>12012295
>your crap faggot stangs are the shit
they were the shit... 40 years ago
now they're plastic garbage primarily bought by nostalgic boomers looking for a new big boy toy, and boy racers (such as yourself)
>>12012285
yes, because disliking a "sports car" with the more barebones options and shittiest engine option makes us the 16 year olds. They are the ones that buy those. Point being if you want a Mustang, why get the v6 when you can buy a car built around one and enjoy it more? i've driven my friend's old ass 00 v6 mustang, and even with the 5 speed I enjoyed my shitty auto 5.0 thunderbird far more. and so did he, which is why he dropped it and got an 02 maxima with the 3.5 which is a proper v6 car.
>>12012334
A Mach 1 that's not 10k? Where the fuck can I find this? Non-Termi Cobras are generally cheaper. Bullitts being up there with the termis from my experience.
although you own a Cobra and probably follow the community closer than I do. I just own...this. Atleast it's a v8 fatstang, riight?
>>12012378
Shit son, I actually deliver to dealerships. And the highest priced one I saw was $14k with 75k mileage and it was a complete ripoff as everything on the lot was overpriced. You can get them for $7k-$9k all day long. Just look them up. And it's rare to find a Mach 1 that has been raped. The original owners tend to take as good care of them as Cobra owners.
>>12012396
http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/cto/4856722439.html
http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/cto/4799708542.html
Lol, I just had to throw this joke out there. lol, blown engine and transmission. $7k "I'm ASKING a lot because out of the 10,000 they made roughly 2000 were automatics"
http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/cto/4882218782.html
>>12012396
>>12012378
Also, when some asshat made an illegal turn in an intersection and totaled my Monte Carlo SS, I was looking for a new car and almost bought an 03 Mach 1 with 98k mi for $7.7k. But, since I already had my Terminator, I decided to go with my Lincoln LS V8 with 74k mi for $5.5k.
>>12012446
lol @ last
Damn those are cheap, here in the panhandle of Florida they go for $12k just for a Mach 1 with less than 100k. Of course here a lot of old people just garage these cars and then throw them up for sale thinking that since there is no rust and it's low mileage they can get $15k+ for a 10+ year old Mustang that probably has rotting rubber everywhere from not being driven. Showroom worthy? Yeah, after replacing every bushing and hoses/lines to get it to a show.
>>12012446
>140,000 miles
You don't consider that beat to shit? Even if you take good care of it that is pretty beat.
>>12012482
You could probably find one with less than 70k mi for around $12k-$15k. They are really nice cars, and for a first car they are amazing to work on. However, be aware that if anyone gets a stock Mach 1, the stock 2011-2014 V6 Mustangs run a quarter mile the same as you. It's like a shit to the nuts.
>>12012461
Shame the v8 never came with the manual option the v6 did. I've driven the 3.9, and wow was it fun. I've also driven a 03 Thunderbird (same engine, 3.9 v8) and it was faster than the LS but I'm assuming weight or aero came into play there. Man those T-birds are rare, they still go for 10k-15k here. I love them despite the grandma stigma attached and will one day get one if I ever get rich and mod the shit out of it. Dos port hole windows
The v6 LS manual is rare as fuck and people price them so. I'd still take the v8 though, great purchase fellow Lincoln and Ford owner. (Had a 94 Mark VIII and own that Thunderturd up there, a mustang with IRS pretty much)
>>12012502
I bet it's been taken good care of. But, yeah I didn't notice the mileage. But, the 4v Mustangs are pretty stout. 200k mi would be the starting point for a rebuild if it's heavily modded. Otherwise, just keep maintenance up.
>>12012511
I love the Tbirds/Cougars of that generation. Even the supercharged V6's were great cars. It's a nice Tbird you've got. Enjoy it to it's fullest.
Also, if you like the Lincoln LS, take a look at the pic. That is I'm fact a LS with a turboed GT500 engine in it.
>>12012551
Damn, that's one badass sleeper.
>>12012507
If I get another Ford, as much as I'd like a Mach 1/Cobra or even a GT, I can't afford one. I've got my heart set on a Thunderbird SC, preferably 94-95 with a 5spd and the new body style of 94-95s. I'd like another Mark VIII, the fat Cobra as i like to see it as, but I want a 5 speed as my 00 Camry is just too anemic to row gears through enjoyably. I've worked on my friend's 03 GT, and since it's the same layout of the Mark VIII (despite being the DOHC instead of his SOHC) it was a breeze to work on.
Not as easy as my Thunderbird though. 5.0s are a breeze to do anything on, except for the fucking fuel pump INSIDE the tank and the driveshaft routed under exhaust so you have to take all 3 apart just to drop the 18gallon tank.
pic is my alt DD when I want more than 14mpg and feel like shifting. I know, shitty cars compared to yours, but I'm happy just to have anything since my 260k Tbird is still going strong.
Dunno why everyone rags on you so hard, there are way worse trips out there. Sure you're opinionated to hell, but meh. I just lurk so watching is more fun to me than throwing my shitboxes around all the time. Except today.
>>12012151
get a cabra
Since I've typed the same fucking thing in a hundred other threads I'll keep it short.
1. Buy a cheap shitbox for your first car to learn on. You ARE going to wreck it and you shouldn't have anything of reasonable horsepower or value when starting out. I strongly recommend learning to drive manual, too.
2. Save up for the GT, you don't want "Man I should have bought a GT" buzzing around in the back of your head every time you drive your anemic shitbox.
>>12012551
Me too. Grew up with them, had a 91 5.0 go to 350,000 before selling it in 05 after getting this in 04 for $350 bucks and still see it around. (identical crystal blue frost color)
Appreciate the comment. I try to take care of it, the interior is immaculate, the paint is holding up great for being 23 years old, and still rumbles like an asshole with my gutted cats and no mufflers to enjoy what life it has left with gas in the cabin and rumbles to show off my hot 210/275 powah.
If you're ever in the panhandle of florida hit me up, I'll let you laugh at it while I drive your Cobra with an erection.
>>12012151
>lives in America
>hoon
>>12012561
Hey, those two are still nice cars to have. And most br/o/s don't even have two cars, so props to you. And sad to say, some don't even have one car. I wish them luck in finding what they want though. Anyhow, enjoy your cars br/o/ and don't let anyone out you down about them. Most faggots here can't afford two cars. Most faggots here can't drive a manual. So, more power to you on both regards. And I hope your next car ends up being exactly what you want. If you want a Cobra, go for it. It might take the right bank to approve a loan or even saving up for two years, but hey. It's worth it to get a car you absolutely love.
>>12012578
*laughs at that last few words* If I'm ever in Florida, it'll be for Disney World/ Universal Studios. But, I'll be sure to drive the Termi there and I'll try and let you know so you could drive it around. It's seriously the smoothest trans I've ever driven. And the Steeda Tri-Ax shifter makes it so much better.
>>12012677
driven my friends GT so i know how to deal with a hard clutch, right now that camry has a soft ass clutch but im much better with a manual than before. i started driving at 12 and for 6 months drove uhauls from store to store, 14f trucks all the way up to 26f with 12x16 trailers attached, and looking to get into driving for a living so i promise i wouldnt ruin your clutch lol
anyways nice talking to ya man
>>12012656
i get compliments on the Tbird more than youd think for some odd reason. straight piped 5.0s sound great, and no emission checks in florida allows me to ruin the environment for my enjoyment of rumbling everywhere. i know, poor mans exhaust, but poor mans car. camry stays stock, not a ricer lol
thanks for that though. im far away from anything that great though, very poor and dealing with cancer in the family is taking a toll on focusing on cars sadly.
and yea, the panhandle of florida is good for nothing but Pensacola and Johnsons beach. Absolutely beautiful white beaches and surprisingly not a lot of fatties hang around there. stay down south of florida as this is a poor mans city.
>>12012151
umm cant you get a mustsang gt like the gen you want for around 6k? Or even better a V6 camaro? Or even better a WRX?
>>12012677
Wheres muh video
Shistangs suck, pick something else for 8k like a bugeye wrx or prelude
>>12013008
>get some FWD shitbox or a econosedan that's almost guaranteed to have been beat to shit
kek great recommendation
>>12013025
both are quicker and better all around cars than any pre 5.0 shitstang GT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzgs6C35jZM
>>12012677
>T56
>smooth
Do you ever know what you're talking about?
Sweet Instagram filter btw. I'm sure anyone on Instagram gives a fuck about you.
>>12013008
Coming from a former prelude owner, you're an idiot.
>>12013032
>prelude
>quicker than a V8 mustang
lol
and no im not watching some youtube video of a couple beaners "racing," because that means nothing
>>12013041
>le beaners so it doesn't count
stay mad, those 2v GT's are dogs
Save up for a 2011 GT. Mustangs were pretty shit from 90s-2010 in stock form.
>>12013047
Sure, but still doesn't make your point moot. The 5g prelude is at least half if not a full second slower to 60 than the stang. It also handles worse due to being heavier and front wheel drive.
I'm not joking. 5g prelude was my biggest regret. I'd own a 3rd gen tho.
>>12013087
97 prelude vtec: 0-60 6.5 seconds
99 mustang gt: 0-60 6.2 seconds
not to mention the prelude will shit on the gt around any track
>>12013130
Ever driven one of those preludes? The FWD wheelspin is hilarious. They are almost pushing the power limits stock. Too much torque out of the H22.
>>12013130
Again, i've owned a 2000 prelude 5 speed, and i've driven a few 00 gt's while shopping around for cars.
If you think the mustang cant turn, you'd be shocked at a 5G prelude. Sure the SH has torque transfer, but that can only do so much.
Stop benchracing, faggot.
>>12013142
>rev to 6k
>feather out clutch
>ERERHERHSHREHRERSRSHRSHSHSHSHSHSHSHHSHSHSHSH
was the only pleasurable thing about the car.
>>12013130
99 mustang gt quarter mile: 13.8
97 prelude quarter mile: 14.8
not to mention $8k will get you a cobra
>>12012151
AAAAYY LMAO
i had a 2003 GT as my first car. things to expect:
>the more your press on the gas, the more noise you make, not necessarily more power
>at first it'll feel fast af, but after a month you'll be wishing for more horsepower for the $$ you pay for the mileage you get
>doors will creek on you like a 30 year old car
>every civic, jetta, and bmw circa 2000 will wanna race you
>every mustang will rev their engines when they pass you
>you will lose a lot of races
>it will go into limp mode if you haul ass like you're in a F&F movie
>>12013486
when did you race when you lost
>>12014088
thought i was the shit and raced caymans and an m3's at street lights, so i stepped down to only racing v6 cars and i still got my shit wrecked
>>12013201
>99 mustang gt quarter mile: 13.8
My sides, more like 14.5
>not to mention $8k will get you a cobra
you can get a lude for 4k, with the other 4k turbo it and bye bye 99.9% of cobras on the road
>>12013486
I had a 2003 gt try to race my forte, Should have known better when he heard my BOV open. Spanked dat ass with a korean grocery getter.
>>12012151
g35-g37
>>12012677
*you're a faggot*
>>12014130
a 04 gt cant beat b3s the fuck?
>>12012151
The 3 Series will be a much nicer car, overall, though more expensive in the long run. That's not to say that a Mustang GT isn't hoonable. Whatever you end up buying, DO NOT buy a V6 Mustang of that era. The only acceptable V6 Mustangs are 09 and up.
For 8k$ you can get a very nice non-ZHP package E36(1992-99)/E46(1999-05) that doesn't need anything and should serve you trouble free for at least 30-35k miles. The key here is to get one that's been maintained well. If you get a neglected one, you will hate your life. WIth BMWs, if you're not car savvy/don't know what to look for, you'll want to get a pre-purchase inspection. The reason for that is a BMW that looks good inside/outside isn't necessarily sound mechanically. People want to drive their hella fresh BMWs but don't want to pay for maintenance so they just keep up the cosmetic appearance.
Also, don't look for the newest BMW within your price range. Look for the nicest condition E36/E46 8k will buy you. A BMW with 140k miles but ALL service records is better than a BMW with 80k miles but no service history.
>>12012855
no any 05 stang gt will go for 8k+ if your lucky and fuck v6's
>>12012987
It's going to take some time, my friend. I'm a truck driver. But, rest assured, I will get you a couple of videos.
>>12012382
>"and it'll hold it's value."
turdgen mustang
laughingwhores,jpg
>>12013034
Hi there. What's your name? I am CobraAnon. How are you doing? I'm doing good. What do you drive? I drive a Lincoln LS V8 and a Cobra Terminator. I drive a T56 whenever I have time to myself. And not the shitty cost efficient poorman's T56 that was in the F-bodies. The Terminator's T56 is actually race built by Tremec akin to the Viper's T56. The only difference is a weaker input shaft. Have you ever driven a T56? In anything? Would you actually know how they feel? They are smooth as fuck. Best manual I've ever driven. I hope that one day you'll get the chance to drive a car with a well made T56. Nice talking to you. Hope you one day get your dream car, br/o/.
And as always, love your car and have fun.
>>12013034
Oh, also, I've never been on Instagram, Twitter, tumblr, reddit, or any of that shit. Just not my thing. I'm always too busy working or going out with my friends.
>>12016385
You're trying way too hard to rid yourself of that shitposter status.
>>12016398
Eh. I'm generally a nice and easy going guy. I'm tired of shitposting, so I'll rid myself of the lingering effects of that drama llama one day.
V8 models come with a huge premium in liability coverage. Get the V6 in a stick transmission...
>>12016385
I love you.
>>12016414
>btw im a girl
>>12016437
But I said a stick version? V8 models are not worth the price in insurance costs and the premium bro tax they have on them
>>12016441
V6s are actually more expensive to insure considering the idiots who buy them are boyracers whereas V8s are usually middle aged men.
>>12016444
>V6s are actually more expensive to insure
Not the SN95s? Especially in stick mode as well. You have it backwards. They have more people getting tickets on the V8 models owned by military brats . A cheap SN95 5 speed will go around the market place for 2k while the V8 trims would go for an upwards price of 8k
>>12016414
I have a Lincoln LS and a Mustang Cobra. Both have DOHC 32v V8 engines. I pay $75 each for full coverage. What premium are you talking about? He's not a 16 year old getting a GT.
>>12016453
Oh, I was talking about 5th gens. But seriously, if you can't afford the V8, just don't get a fucking Mustang.
>>12016427
I love you too, Br/o/.
>>12016461
>if you can't afford the V8
What is the point in this? You are spending more for no real difference. It's better to go on the cheap and have a decent RWD with a stick drive than some bastard child owned by some Marine fag
>>12016459
>I pay $75
Because you have USAA? Or you are older than 25? Unless you are on your parents plan
>>12012560
>sleeper
>visible intercooler
pick one
>>12016475
>No difference
Holy fuck how can you be so wrong. The entire point of the car is to go fast in a straight line, buying a pre-11' V6 just announces to the world that you're a 16 year old boyracer.
>>12016487
>The entire point of the car is to go fast in a straight line
>Highway commuting
>Number of fucks given in this
> buying a pre-11' V6
Sn95's are loved by all? And you rarely see them anymore. All of the mustangs you see on the road now are all S197's not the Sn95's
>>12016437
Is this OP? Is OP a girl? Either way. Get a New Egde GT or Mach 1. Or a SN95 Cobra. Which ever you get, obviously a manual. I would personally say go with a 96-98 Cobra. You can find them around $7k and if you're lucky with sub-100k mi in that price range. But, I'm biased for Cobra. However, which ever you choose I hope you get a well taken care of car and love it.
>>12016504
So you're just buying a slow piece of shit to look cool. Why are you on this board again?
>>12016508
>Look cool
>Low price
>Stick drive
>Low price
Why are you mentioning cool? It's not supposed to be fast especially if one is using it for commutes. You clearly have show you know nothing about Mustangs
>>12016483
I'm older than 25. Even if I don't look it. I have State Farm. And when I was younger than 25, my insurance was still around $90 for full coverage on a sports car / V8 coupe. Just keep your driving record good and baby the hell out of your car. Also, know what all you get discounts for. Like driving a car less than 12k a year. Or living relatively close to your work. Shit like that. Just look into your plan and see what you can benefit from.
Also, why did my captcha tell me "I love you"?
>>12016505
>$7k and if you're lucky
You mean the ones that are tattered and beaten? A good example not owned by ex-military, will hover around the 10K mark .
>>12016484
Heat exchanger. The intercooler is on top if the motor for the SVT boosted cars. Also, if most casuals see that car pull along side of them, more than likely they will be bend over by that car without knowing a rape was coming. The Condor engine in the GT500's are relatively quiet and are great sleeper swap engines.
>>12016524
>I'm older than 25
Ok, what is the point of this discussion? The insurance prices drops at 25
>my insurance was still around $90
Under parents name because no one way no how that is possible
>record good and baby the hell out of your car.
Even with a good record you are not going to see low rates like that unless you are in USAA or parents plan
>Shit like that
Shit like this makes me believe you are full of shit
>>12012502
> there are spoiled rich brats on here that think 140,000 miles is beat to shit
lel
>>12016538
I haven't been on my parents' insurance since I was 18. Like I said, just look into your plan and see what can save you money
>>12016548
Yes, I know about these plans and how insurance work but something like a Sn95 Cobra with full coverage? Yeah, that's some real bullshit. No magical way of forcing lower costs for males at this age
>>12016548
Bruh, I don't know what the fuck kind of mystic magic voodoo you used to get low rates like that but I don't believe it. I am 30 years old, I have a solid 16 years of good driving, no accidents, no tickets. I bought an STI and the lowest I could get without piggybacking on my parents plan was 200/mo or 1200 every 6 months. I was required to get full coverage + gap insurance and my deduc was 500.
On my parents plan, I am paying 80/mo. There is absolutely no reason for me to go solo on a plan when the disparity is that much. No amount of pride is going to make me pay an extra 120/mo just to be independent. Insurance companies hate my car. Maybe they classify your Cobra as something different, I don't know. My car is classified as an assault vehicle.
>>12016576
>Cobra as something different
It's not, the coverage costs are identical to the STI and this voodoo magic prices are not possible
>>12016541
Enjoy spending $1,500/year on maintenance shit once the car hits 200k miles+
OP, i understand your new car hype, but I think a sensible newer accord or civic would be the best option, and you can keep like $2,000 in your savings account for future emergencies.
>>12016591
>mustang
>$1500/year maintenance
also
>$1500/year
>expensive
thats not even expensive by poorfag standards
>>12016576
Oh, I get what you're saying br/o/. Perhaps it's just location. Your area vs mine. But, mine is boosted from factory. So, I'm in the same boat as you car class wise. I think it might be the fact that I have a daily driver and the Cobra as a weekend driver. The fact that I drive it less than 5k a year (on paper anyhow). But, either way it'll come down to your plan's benefits vs my plan's benefits.
since this is your first car it is fair to assume you are on a budget, if yuo live in NA then it will be best to get the mustang because of part availability, also you know you want the v8 you will likely regret getting the v6, i have a 99 gt convertible and it is the best vehicle i have ever owned
>>12012376
KA24 Turbo'd and with coilerovers
Never raced or drifted
Engine needs some work
$6,000 NO LOW-BALLERS
I KNOW WHAT I GOT.
I'd buy a New Edge 3.8L for 3k -4k and get 35 mpg highway, or 5k 7k on a very well kept 4.6L, PI or DOHC.
>>12017710
As long as anyone takes great care of the car and keeps regular, meticulous, maintenance of their car then it will be a great, reliable car. Doesn't matter how old the car is and it doesn't matter how many miles are on it. A car is the sum of it's parts. Nothing more. If you put love and care into it's upkeep, then it will always be a perfect car. Even the weakest parts of a car from the manufacturer can be replaced.
Just like this br/o/ with his GT Conv. If it's taken care of and shown love, it will continue to be a fantastic car. And I hope it continues to be a joy in your life br/o/. I know that I love the hell out of my new edge vert.
And as always, live your car and have fun.
>>12012151
I'd recommend getting a shitcar for the first since chances are you'll wreck it
>>12018047
THIS
Also insurance.
My recommendation: Corolla. Get something cool later.
Your first car should be cheap, practical and above all else easy to drive. You're going to crash it. You're going to deal with heavy traffic (good visibility is a godsend). You're also going to deal with insurance costs.
A Mustang is horrible for all of those things. It's great once you have had a few years experience but a lousy first car. It's like learning how to shoot on an expensive .308 battle rifle instead of a .22, you can but it's less than ideal.
>>12019871
I never crashed my first car. Why does everyone say this? I get it if you crashed your shit and mommy always told you how much of a special snowflake you were and you can't possibly do anything wrong.
>>12019894
It's because you're statistically far more likely to have an accident when you're inexperienced. I thought I was out of the woods after 2 years when I got careless and rear ended an Indian guy In an Infiniti. Not much damage but I was glad it happened to a hooptie.
>>12012386
>literally every car
>>12019933
as suspected. You crashed and mommy said you were the best thing in the world. You believed her until you rear ended someone.
>>12019933
I crashed my first car but it wasn't my fault. There was an accident alittle bit before on the corner and then it started to rain.
I went to brake when getting in the turn lane, and hit oil and water. Slide into the next lane, luckily there was cars at the turn light there, so I scrapped across a truck and pulled off to the side.
Luckily the lady didn't call the insurance companies because her son had scrapped the truck up in an accident so it was already bad.
Did get a failure to maitain lane ticket
>>12012987
Alright br/o/. If you're still online. I'll shoot a vid in the morning for better light and post it tomorrow morning just for you. Probably even a couple of vids. Any requests?
>>12019894
>>12019871
>>12019933
This is all just opinions and speculations. Some people wreck their first car. Some people don't. However, I do believe, even if your first car is a high hp/tq V8, if you absolutely love the car and absolutely don't want anything to happen to it, then you'd be more likely to not have a collision due to being overly cautious about every little thing.
>>12020560
>>12012987
Alright, br/o/. I just shot a couple if vids on my phone. When I get home, I'll upload them for you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=m67ZMn0tzg8#t=328
Buy a Miata.
>>12012987
Alright br/o/. Here they are, a couple of vids over my car.
http://youtu.be/mxPYzt4fujk
http://youtu.be/FTL5FR9YlpE
http://youtu.be/x9seSti7FsQ
>>12023287
>cel
>pulley squealing
>top doesnt work
m8
>>12024102
Yeah, it chirps when it's cold. When it warms up, it stops chirping. But, I checked the pulley and it's perfectly stable. When it warms up I'll end up taking it off and seeing what's causing the noise. Until then, I won't be driving it enough to worry about it.
