>>2856
In America, Doctors are allowed to charge whatever they want, but in practice it ends up being whatever the insurance providers want who the doctors contract with. I'd imagine most Americans would say the free market should decide.

Greedy fucks moaning about above average wage.

I have no sympathy for them because they already get paid vast sums that most people in this country would kill for, but if the terms of their contracts are being changed, they are entitled to renegotiate their salaries as well.

So it sucks for them, and I would strike too in their position, but I'm actually in a considerably worse position, so I'm not going to bother with any of these protests and petitions that people keep thrusting at me.

They have every right to strike. Healthcare is only going to increase as an expense society has to deal with. Trying to screw one of the most highly educated and well organised blocks in society probably won't end well for the government.

I lament the fact that people seem to have no sympathy for people striking and you know actually defending and striving to improve workplace conditions and pay. We have all this long history of trade unions and labour in general fighting for rights and yet we are blindly letting it all be rolled back to a state before the industrial revolution. Society is richer than ever yet pay has been stagnant for most for a time period approaching decades. What's wrong with people actually not having a miserable existence?

>>3035

Junior doctors and residents get paid a pittance despite working considerably more than a normal work week. And this is AFTER going to medical school.

>>3174
>I lament the fact that people seem to have no sympathy for people striking and you know actually defending and striving to improve workplace conditions and pay.

What I think is that people working in low paying jobs see other people in more publicly visible low paying jobs demanding higher wages/better working conditions, and think "well, why should I support them when no one will support me?"

Example: Bob works in a warehouse loading trucks all day. It's hot, grueling work. Bob makes $9.00/hr.
Tracy works as a cashier at McDonald's. She also makes $9.00/hr. Her work environment is air-conditioned and her job is physically undemanding.

Bob sees Tracy and a group of protesters marching with signs that read "$15/hr And Unions For Fast Food Workers" and resents her, because despite having a harder job, no one is advocating for him. It's a crab mentality of sorts, but it's not entirely unjustified.

The solution to income inequality isn't piecemeal protests that benefit select groups that have the capability to organize and get the media to pay attention to them. What we need is an unconditional guaranteed basic income for all persons over 18 years of age.

>>3208
>What I think is that people working in low paying jobs see other people in more publicly visible low paying jobs demanding higher wages/better working conditions, and think "well, why should I support them when no one will support me?"
it didn't used to be like this though.

What I think changed is a) the media coverage and b) people's perceptions of their own rights vs their employers.

We are constantly being told that we're demanding too much pay and that it's hurting the economy and that it'll cost us our jobs. At some point we end up believing it.
And then the economy fails because the money is dead in the hands of too few people.

Study in real, useful education for years, do a job that saves lives, work ridiculous hours.
I would strike if I was faced with this shit. The people who are in disagreement are either people in shit low paying jobs (too bad, pick a real degree) or the far right

>>3208
Social value dictates wages. Bob gets paid fuck all in shit conditions because his job is irrelevant.

>>3396
His job isn't irrelevant though. Somebody's got to work in the warehouse.

Soon we'll be able to replace him with a robot, but until then we need Bob or somebody else in there.

>>3208
The answer to all this is actually communism. People usually get paid based on their labour input in a communistic society.

But if all people who believe that they deserve more pay actually get it in a one of the closest examples to a free market economy (USA), then people will buy more, supply in goods will dwindle, and the currency will depreciate in value. Thus causing inflation.

Unless numerous other factors react in the process. The risk in economics is usually not worth it and that's why not a lot comes out of these strikes in America.

>>3396
>his job is irrelevant
I'd say it's more that he has less inherent value than a woman.

>>3464
Because he can't pee while sitting down?

>>3035
>I have no sympathy for them because they already get paid vast sums that most people in this country would kill for

Yeah, difference is we have to go through 7+ years of medical training, 2 years of poorly paid internship, a year of average residency and a fellowship to make these big bucks. The average person is not willing to do that, but is still happy to complain about how 'much' we get paid because their entry level accounts management job doesn't seem fair in comparison.

I know, I know, we should all be in it to help people, love and all that shit, which a lot of us are, but there needs to be reward for the hard work and risk we put in. I sure as fuck would not have spent this long becoming a doctor only to get paid the same as any other fuckwit.

>>3396
Warehouse work and truck driving are some of the most important jobs in the country. Literally all online ordering and your favorite stores being stocked most of the time would crash and burn without these people.

McDonald's is irrelevant.

Doctors in the UK are mainly posh privately educated women who will go part time ten seconds after their subsidised educations finish

>>3035
Doctor's wages here are actually quite low until you start specialising, m8. Basic, post-grad salary is £22,000, which is lower than just about any graduate job you can think of. It does go through a sharp rise, though. You'll still earn more than a doctor if you manage a McDonald's, and have more benefits out of it too, unless you specialise as a GP and work 'overtime' while twiddling your thumbs in bumfuck nowhere/Scotland.

raising the minimum wage also raises inflation, thus making the wage increase a waste of time and resources.
Minimum wage laws should be abolished. One of two things will happen if they are:
1. Shitty McJobs get their pay lowered, and people realize that "Burger Flipper" is not a valid career choice, and should only be considered for employment if you're a highschool student looking for condom money.
2. If the pay on non-shitty jobs is lowered, then employees will threaten to quit, forcing employers to raise their wages unless they plan on doing everything themselves.

Eventually they'll reach a point where despite the fact that some employees are upset with their current wages, there will be someone else to take their place should they leave. This is how things worked before minim wage laws, and this is how things can work again. Minimum wage laws did not create the middle class, nor did it help grow it.

>>3677
>raising the minimum wage also raises inflation
All the empirical evidence I've seen calls bullshit on that assertion.

>>3677
>lower the wages of the poor and let them suffer if they don't like it when they are already paid too little
Please stop.

>>3677
>raising the minimum wage also raises inflation,
Retard.
(the following numbers are completely made up. They are not to be believed, they are used as an example to explain why you are stupid)
If 5% of America's citizens so far made 0.01% of the dollars in circulation, then raising their wages by 100% would mean they get 0.02% of the dollars in circulation.
Do you really think that sort of percentage is going to lead to a notable inflation?
>thus making the wage increase a waste of time and resources.
That implies that everybody who doesn't get that minimum wage is getting the same wage for some strange reason. I'd like you to prove that before I accept it.
>2. If the pay on non-shitty jobs is lowered,
Then the employees will be told that they are welcome to quit because there's plenty others who want that job. A high unemployment rate supports the employer's ability to do this.
If the wage does not suffice to feed the man, then he starts working more for same shitty pay per hour.
But by working more he is reducing the number of jobs for other people, thus adding to the problem..