>>26797
posting in epic thread

>>26797
>Is America past the point of fixing? If so Trump is the perfect leader to light the spark leading to total Anarchy.
Yeah, it's totally Trump. HE'S the last straw, War on Terror and the invasion of Iraq and the erosion of rights and the NSA spying programs and Guantanamo Bay and the Housing Bubble and market manipulations and et all were all perfectly tolerable.

But one showboating populist candidate? Naw man, that's too fucking much.

>>26797
>Is he popular because he says what everyone is thinking
Yes, specially since ameriburgers are racist af,

>>26812
>wayciss
when will libshits find a new insult

>>26797
He's not actually offering solutions to problems, instead he's offering platitudes that make him sound powerful, while comforting the voters.

Trump voters don't actually care about his policies. Instead, they trust in his word. Some of the things he says makes sense to them on a very low level so they flock towards him. It's not WHAT he says that's important to them, it's HOW he says it. That and he's good at finding appealing scapegoats such as brown people/personal insults etc.

I want you to imagine one of the most popular celebrities in your country appealing to all of the least educated people you know with all the ideas most misunderstood by everyone you know... and that's Donald Trump for you.

>>26825
>mental gymnastics
im going to go ahead and guess you're voting bernie

>>26830
>those big words are scary
It's alright. I'd like to ask you to actually get a plan of action out of Trump. He has no solid policies in place which are supported by research, economic theory, or political science. But go ahead, and run away from
>big words

>>26814
This. I don't take a side myself, but it's clear even from my perspective that that's total horseshit.

>>26830
Are you illiterate or something? What was so different about that anon other than the fact that he used complete sentences?

>>26830

let's say anon is voting for Bernie, how would that make what eh said any less valid?

if you disagree with anon, explain why.

>>26797
Never ever link the huffington post again please. Its literally cancerous shit.

Trump is popular because he is the answer to the current degenerate leftist pc bullshit. Also he cannot be bought or manipulated as easiy- Hillary has already been paid for and is a puppet, Bernie lets 2 black women take over his rallies literally a cuck.

Trump is strong and independant. He isn't perfect, but hes the best chance we have.

>inb4 trumo is racist

There is no proof. Illegals are illegal and shouldn't be there.

>>26887
I want to know why you desire this strong, authoritarian presence.

My bet is you admire Putin because "nobody messes with him". Putin is a criminal who assassinates political opponents, censors criticizing media outlets, and imprisons journalists and activists. The reason it seems no one messes with a strong leader like him is that he's closer to a Totalitarian regime that silences opposition.

I think many look for these strong, authoritarian leaders because you feel like you have no power in the political process. But remember, a leader should bow to the people, not rule them with an iron fist.

>>26889
>he is the answer to the current degenerate leftist pc bullshit
His answer is right there in the post senpai

To trump or not to trump is the question. By the power invested in me by my small loan of a million dollars, I decree that ol' trumpy will make a wonderful husband to any man willing to present his penis forthwith to trumpy towers. So how is the weather of late? do tell.

>>26890
This.

>>26890
>>26853
The government should fear it's people, not the people fearing a leader or government.

>>what do you have to fear about a strong leader, faggot?

Dunno, lemme see:
Pol pot
Stalin
Hitler
Mao
Pinochet

The lumpenproles voted these asses in and handed the keys over.

Then anyone was a target. Pol Pot targeted "intellectuals" which were anyone wearing glasses.
I'm pretty sure that your manga will be a target. I can hear Trump now: "Why do you watch that sissy Japanese cartoons? Be a man and watch The Longest Day, faggots"

>>26890
>>26894
>answer to the current degenerate leftist pc bullshit
Every other Republican candidate does this however, so this isn't the primary reason for voting Trump here.

I think Trump voters will say "because the other Republican candidates won't actually get anything done", which revolves back to:

>I think many look for these strong, authoritarian leaders because you feel like you have no power in the political process.

>>26896
He makes it a key point of his campaign

>>26895
We still have freedom and guns in the US.

>>26897
>He makes it a key point of his campaign
It feels like you're saying that because he shouts it the loudest, that for some reason, he'll accomplish it the best. I might agree with you if he actually had real policies, but he doesn't actually have a plan of action, and he's more similar to a 12 year old in school trying to give an Oral Report and just making up filler along the way that sounds good so he can make it to the time limit.

>>26797
>donald-trump-racism-high-school-game_us_
top kek, fucking typical huffpo

>>26825
>Trump voters don't actually care about his policies. Instead, they trust in his word.
Oh you mean like some shithead's word of "Change" in muted red and blue?

>>26928
What are you referring to?

>>26928
So you're admitting that Trumpfags are literally as stupid as a pack of monkeys hooting and cheering about MUH CHANGE!

>>26928
Obama tried to change shit but with a repub congress he can't get shit done.

>>26936
He couldn't get shit done with a Democratic congress either, he had no plans on changing anything

>>26954
This. He had a super majority for the first year of his presidency. He passed Obamacare his grab bag for the insurance companies and his massive slush fund for public unions through his national infrastructure bill. That was it.

>>26954
This.
I can't say he didn't change anything. He helped the auto-industry, and he reduced our nuclear stockpile, which is good because where we gonna put em all. We basically own other nation's stockpiles too. He was a nigga in the whitehouse and unlike Bush and Clinton, he was a brown nigga in the white house, which changed every brown, yellow, tan and light nigga's perspective on the future of potential politics for at least five seconds and he said he'd close guantanamo bay for a long time and never did and then let congress butt fuck him into starting some wars.

>>26797
I mean i really dont want this guy to be elected.It feels like the trump followers are way bigger then they should be.I seriously would be scared if he had power.

>>26957
>>then let congress butt fuck him into starting some wars
Republican congress.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov//petition/have-department-justice-investigate-if-ted-cruz-zodiac-killer

>>26797
His ideas aren't radical. Why wouldn't they get through? He'll have to budge on the 11 million thats dead in the water imo.
>protect our borders as a sovereign nation
>open up healthcare to competition to drive premiums down and medicine
Where are the crazy ideas?

>>26967
there are none hes just polarizing
his healthcare plan is so simple people dont think hes serious while its leaps and bounds ahead of any hc reform, especially the socialist

>>26967
>implying trusts don't always form to claim everything then set price to whatever they want

Only in a trump thread would this kind of understanding of history exist

>>26797
The dude says what's on his mind, too much so at times, why wouldn't he just say "I'm a racist" if he was a racist? Also none of the comments he's made were even remotely racist. You see there are the things Donald Trump says, and the things people say Donald Trump says. The comments he made were realism, not racism. There's measurable evidence and statistics that illegals commit a shit ton of crime, but the emotion based thinkers don't like that because "it's mean/racist."

He's a nationalist and a realist, that's what appeals to people, especially after 8 years of outright anti-nationalistic, globalist sellouts of an administration, that defend criminals and rioters and attack the people who actually work hard to make the country worth a shit.

>>27035
I'm going to jump a bit off topic. The left is out of touch with realism, they won't admit any information that doesn't fit the narrative that's been established in their minds, making it almost like a faith. If you tell them Mexicans are doing a lot of raping and murdering, and show them articles and crime statistics, they won't believe you and shout shut-down words like "racist" or "nazi". But if you simply claim with no backing evidence "all white men are pedophiles and rape women on college campuses" that's absolutely true in their minds, despite pedophilia and sexual abuse happening far more often in poor minority circles, and increase in rapes on campuses being linked to increase in affirmative action on campuses. The emotion based thinker's mind has been won, they are easily programmed, logic is not able to be processed anymore. For further information see the Yuri Bezmenov interview, there's a good quick 15 min synopsis that will blow the brainwashing right out of your mind.

A lot of Hispanics are labelled "white/caucasian" to lower their crime rate and raise the white crime rate. Look at all the past FBI most wanted lists, most of which are linked to cartels, 70% of which are clearly hispanic even darker skinned, yet labelled white. Why is this done? To cover up the fact that "someone's doing the raping" among other things, so the rich can continue to benefit from cheap imported labor and never have to raise minimum wage.

This type of forced doublethink and disenfranchisement of this nation's core people, that's why Trump has so much popularity. But it's not just about the white citizens, everyone else sees how dumb the cucked leftists are as well and how they're ruining the economy by wilfully importing more cheap labor so the rich can become richer.

>>27036
Here's the interview referenced:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=vLqHv0xgOlc

Ignore that the title is a gaff at feminism. Feminism and those who attack if are two sides of the same shill. The goal of feminism to feminists is to gain power over men, and certainly not all women are feminists. The goal of feminists to their handlers however, is to create a divide between men and women to weaken the nation. Therefore anyone who participates in the divide, whether its a women's special rights advocate or a men's rights advocate, they're both feminists. Women in the West have already achieved equality, even more than that, so there's no reason for anyone to be calling themselves a feminist anymore unless they're falling for shills that claim they're unequal under the law and that men are inherently oppressing them.

You see we can discuss things logically and realistically like this or we can cry about how Trump was a big meanie-weenie to Megan Kelly because we're overly sensitive children. I think a lot of people are sick of the whining.

>>27036

>Logic

If they are no longer susceptable to logic, then they by definition cannot be programmed. A program is a construct built of logic however faulty, written in logic however vaguely, and interpreted by logic however incorrectly.

When the proposed state, 'immune to logic' occurs, the machine mind goes rogue and begins harming the world around them; their instructions are no longer in accord with the events they observe. The orders no longer get through to them as they are now strangers to order.

In completely unrelated news from the Right. Trump supporters have gone rogue against the republican establishment and it looks like a brokered convention or a House of Representatives trick is their only hope to restore order, as the voters are not responsive to the ads and leaders attacking Trump.

>>26797
Trump, like Hillary is first and foremost a showman. Saying what needs to be said can do service for actual leadership up to a point. I suspect when actual policy decisions need to be made neither will discover a sense of honour or integrity and do as they have promised and alluded since their campaigns began. Hillary will not 'take on the banks', Trump will not 'build the wall'.

Though this analysis misses the point of a Trump candidacy. Trump presents a target of adulation and points to 'safe' targets of hatred for those that have been played as fools by their leaders for generations.

When a human being is so crushed by the world they have almost no hope, often, all that is left is hatred. They hate themselves, but cannot admit it, they hate others because they cannot hate themselves and live with the shame.

Release of that hatred by vicarious and voyeuristic bullying serves to give relief to grief. This is part of why aggressive and demeaning porn does well.

As with porn, Trump isn't going anywhere. As with porn, Trump isn't going to make anything great again. But it is a useful fantasy that singles out the most psychologically wounded in society and saps their strength in a futile cause.

The 'losers' if you will; those who are most in need of help and who are most vulnerable to manipulation.

>>27045
You're misunderstanding. There are two types of thinkers, emotion based (usually feminine) and logic based (usually masculine). The emotion based thinkers are easy to program because they respond to emotional stimuli which is easy to provide, which triggers an emotional response. Logic based thinkers are not as susceptible to emotional arguments, and require facts and evidence when a claim is made. They are more difficult to program, because you have to either have to present the truth or manufacture false evidence.

For example let's take the Mike Brown case.

Original story title
>white cop shoots unarmed black teen in the back
Emotional response
>omg something has to be done about this!
Programmed emotional response kicks in
>fucking racist government! it was because he was black, I bet he wasn't even doing anything!
Evidence is discovered that contradicts the original storyline, suspect grabbed officers gun, forensics show he was not shot in the back but at close range in the front, and the officer's injuries were recorded and dubbed serious
>*ignores*
Programmes response
>it's probably a racist hoax! The justice system doesn't work, we need to release all the black prisoners wrongfully imprisoned and basically legalize crime for them.

Original story title
>same thing
Logical response
>ok, let's not have an outburst. That seems fucked up, maybe when the evidence comes out it'll contradict that, after all there's been a lot of biased stuff like this in the news lately

>>27046
I wish I didn't know English

>>27046
> Trump will not 'build the wall'.
Yeah, we know - he implied so to the New York Times board of editors.

>>27047
Your argument is predicated on the divorce of emotion and logic. This is a false dichotomy.

Emotion is subject to falsehood.
Logic is subject to falsehood.

One may be angry at a good deed done from pure motives.
One may be delighted by the basest crime against oneself done from abject malice.

One may see the naked and objective world as it is and conclude incorrectly.
One may be deceived by the evidence and interpret the 'proper' but 'incorrect' result as true.

A subject's interpretation of an event can be managed to produce a predicted outcome by a deceiver in the form of a false scenario. Whether that is called 'false evidence' or 'false pretense' the data alone cannot lie, it can only be ordered so as to produce an effect in the viewer's necessarily limited frame of analysis and experience.

What you may be referring to is one's past experience and prejudices. This intellectual short hand would create a resistance or refusal to process new information in the subject. Is this that to which you were referring?

If so, I would argue ensuring new and diverse experiences are presented to the subject will eventually result in a broader and more correct understanding.

>>27035
>>27036
>>27037
Oh boy, he's drawing a shit ton of comparisons between Russia and the US and thinks it works the same ways. These societal structures are completely different. This is essentially conspiracy theory territory. Also, leftism and rightism were on completely different scales over there in Russia.

He's been shown to be completely wrong as this interview was taken in 1984 and he argued that our government policies will shift leftwards as we all reach these silly things he's predicting. However, what has happened is that the U.S. governing policies have shifted very far right compared to much of the free world.

It's understandable that he's saying this as a Russian in the 80's, because he saw a lot of the things he's talking about happen in Russia during the post-WW2 era. Also, I'm guessing you're Russian or constantly watch Russia Today (RT), so you're probably familiar with the ridiculous amount of censorship the country deals with.

Putin powers his right-wing Nationalist, nativist social policies by destroying any opposition that would fall under free speech. He censors most Western news outlets, imprisons journalists, and assassinates political opposition.

>>27046
Could be applied to pretty much each and every voter base.

The American people are tired of voting for the same old shit. Nobody in Washington gives a rats ass about what the people want and to assume our government still operates as a constitutional republic is laughable.

Polls show that the people's trust in government has been at the lowest point in history, Trump is the people's answer to that.

They don't care about his policies, they don't care about what he will actually do once he's in office, all they know and care about is that Trump is not part of Washington.

Trump is the American people's "fuck you" to the American government.

>>27053
>divorce of emotion and logic
Emotion BASED, logic BASED. That doesn't imply no emotion exists in the logic based or vice versa.

I can't even understand wtf else you're rambling about. You're dumb.

>>27054
I didn't bring up Russia, but yes the kikes that instituted Marxism in Russia are trying to prop up some globalist regime here too. Instead of Bolshevism it's neo-progressivism. Instead of bourgeois it's white/male/privileged and instead of proletariat it's nonwhite/female/gay/tranny/whatever isn't traditional.

>huffpo
> journalism

Pick one OP

>>26797
Good is bad,bad is good
Freedom is slavery
War is peace
Ignorance is strength

Truth is raycis

>>27050
The walls buildable the impression the tapes gives is that the 11mil aren't going to all be rounded up. Which is the real subject for consideration.

>>26825
>fix trade with China
That alone is a major issue that only he dared to discuss, that alone is enough to make me vote for him. But he doesn't stop there
>stop socialising healthcare (it has failed, privatised healthcare is superior and I'm from Canada)
>round up every illegal immigrant that refuses to pay taxes yet absorb benefits
>stop making oil industry make decisions.

How are any of these not discussed?

>>26853
It's called conflict of interest and personal bias.

>>27144
>Ima fix everything! T...trust me!
Trump is only going to make things worse. He's retarded.

>>26887
>illegals are illegal and shouldn't be here
Okay. But how do you get from that to
>illegals are just a bunch of rapists and drug dealers
?

And wanting to kill innocent civilians is pretty damn Islamaphobic, and probably has at least something to do with their brown skin too

Trump is a bigoted piece of shit. He's also a fucking moron
>vaccines cause autism
>global warming is a hoax invented by the Chinese

>>26797
Trump is appealing to a bunch of angry, bigoted retards. Because those are so plentiful in the GOP, it might be enough to get him the nomination there. And because Clinton is such a horrible candidate herself, it'll be a toss-up of who rational voters hate more

>>27172#

You going to post some evidence to go with those claims?

Most people vote for Trump because he's bringing energy and enjoyment to the table, that's why people like Bernie. It makes you actually think, "I can't wait for the new retort from Trump or Bernie"

>>26830
>accuses anon of mental gymnastics
>make a blatant leap of judgement

>>26889
>i'm sick of these elites running things and not giving me a voice
>I'm going to elect an elite to run things and an authoritarian while I'm at it so I'll have less choice

>>27035
>The dude says what's on his mind
When will this meme die. He'll say whatever to get elected. Him being edgy doesn't mean he doesn't practice the art of the deal.

>>27172
>occam's razor
Blacks committing crime at a higher rate doesn't mean a majority of black commit violent crime. You're still blue pilled.
I live in commiefornia. The biggest correlation of criminal behavior is neighborhood. Blacks born in middle class suburbs are fine. Diversity has had the opposite effect on me.

>>26830
I would vote for Trump, but what he says is true. I wish people wanted to hear more about policies, not just general ideologies and leanings.

>>26825
you don't think Make America Great Again is the solution to our problems? Are you suggesting we don't Make America Great Again?

Yeah Trump's policies are fucking retarded. Killing innocent civilians if they have family in ISIS? That's guaranteed to prompt more terrorist attacks, not make us safer

>>27144
He doesn't even want to round up illegals. He wants to give more funding to the ICE but he said it'd be a way easier method just to enforce crazy strict employment requirements regarding legal status; if illegals can't find work, they'd rather be back in Mexico with their family

>>27153
He didn't say all illegals are; just that, given that they're coming in illegally, you have a higher number of criminals in the mix than the legals coming from Mexico.
The rapist comment in particular was pulled from a study saying that 60% of female Mexican migrants of all ages were raped on their way to the US and, among those raped, 90% were raped by male migrants also coming to the US

>>26797
Put this tabloid shit in /pol/

>>26929
Obama.
Hopemongering is the other side of fearmongering.
But people don't realize that

>>26797
who gives a shit if "he's" racist? everyone racist

>>27203
You're somewhat right about this inconsistency except for the elite part. Yes, he has represented the business elite by paying people to put his name on buildings, but politically, he is a populist at heart. He doesn't represent the political elite at any level. There is no political science or theory, nor political establishment that actually supports his views. He represents the raw temperament of certain low information voters, and even then, inconsistently so. He more often represents his own insecure, brash feelings than anything else. He merely strong arms his opinions and says them in a convincing way.

Donald Trump is a malleable, selfish person, who could easily easily be manipulated for one agenda or another, and that makes him a horrible leader.

>>26825
This poster is telling you how it is and they're getting shit on. Trump just says what people want to hear. Trump becoming this popular just shows how bad it's gotten in this country.

If he gets elected we deserve everything bad that happens to us.

>>27227
>Hopemongering

>>26797
He's the echo of the lowest common deniominator.

>>27339
Does anyone actually belive he'll go through with it?

The second there's any real chance of winning and subsequently having to do shit and be held accountable he'll fold.

Stand outside pissing in is the way of the loud populist.

>>26954

Thank god!

>>26964
Where did this "Ted Cruz is the Zodiac Killer" meme come from?