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Worth $2250?
no disc brakes?
>>951034
disc brakes = shit . banned from tour de france. obv. its shit then, no?
>can you buy a good used motorbike with the same amount of money?
Yes.
>so is it worth it?
No.
Literally solved all questions of this kind right there. All bikes are incredibly overpriced, either accept it, buy something YOU LIKE and move on, or be more budget conscious and realize every component is overcharged by at least 150% so any economical mindset to buying expensive bikes is wasted.
>>951063
I never understood the extreme prices either, most of these bikes are made from the same components as bikes half their price, and same materials.
>>951105
same reasons why a top-of-the-line ford still costs less than a decent bmw.
similar or same parts but differences in quality control/build quality, customer service, warranty, availability, branding, etc.
>>951105
Literally it's only because price is decided by the market, and if they can sell you a $2500 bike that costs $600 to make, they will. What's telling them NOT to, after all? When all people think that price = quality, it'd be like shooting themselves in the foot.
>>951063
For me, I think that a 1700-1600 euro is the budget limit, with that, you can have a really nice bike with really good components, more than enough for an amateur person or a weekend rider.
>>951063
How much carbon fiber and tuning parts does your motorcycle have?
I can tell you now, tuning parts can easily surpass the base value of the motorcycle. Non-structural carbon fiber fairings can easily rival the cost of carbon bicycle frames and wheels.
>>951605
If you think even a full carbon fiber frame can offset the cost of building a combustion engine and associated transmission, you're fucking retarded.
>>951610
Except motorbikes are literally worthless because they are for fat lazy retards that can't pedal. Your move.
>>951610
I'm saying a carbon frame offsets the cost of carbon fairings.
>>951631
A carbon fiber bike can be worth $2250 if non-structural carbon fiber fairings are worth $2250.
>>951033
>$2250?
>not equipped with Schwalbe professional bike tires
Schwalbe,Never ride second class
>>951637
They're probably not worth that. but this is outside the argument, so stop changin it, thanks.
>>951033
no need for dura ace if you don't race
>>951641
>compare thing made from carbon fiber to thing not made out of carbon fiber
>why is it so expensive
>compared thing made out of gold to thing made out of lead
>why is it so expensive
>>951058
thank you midosuji
>>951643
It's now magically all about the carbon fiber?
Again, I will try to be clearer, so I'll just quote my older post: >>951063
You can buy a full used motorbike for 2250. Not a carbon fairing. A full bike. Like pic related, 7000km, 2000€.
Spending that kind of money on a bike is retarded.
need any further explanation or you're getting it?
>>951642
no "need" for DA if you do race
unless you're in the mountains, the weight is pretty much a non issue, a huge number of elites use Ultegra quite happily.
I was looking for a cheap commuter and /n/ suggested looking at used bikes so I did.
I'll just commute by bus instead.
I'm happy for all of you who live in places where it's possible to find good used bikes. Have a good ride.
>>951652
this is huehue land?
everywhere has crap like that, but usually there's a few non-crap options at least.
>>951649
>you can buy a used thing for a fraction of the cost of a new thing
Why not buy a $1000 used car? How could you even justify buying a motorcycle?
>>951649
>paying $1000 every year for valve adjustment
D U C A T I
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TFW I have a bike AND a bike, and paid about $2500 for each! The big one was kind of a basket case, needs about $1500 and a few days of wrenching every year for last 15 or so. Little one bought brand new, was quite a bit for something with no sporting pretensions whatsoever, but it does the job I need it to do where a cheaper bike might not. Both pay for themselves.
>not a trace of carbon in either
>>951683
The options aren't the point, friend. The point is that the opinion of the seller doesn't reflect reality.
Here is my 1985 K-Mart bought Huffy. The chain is seized from rust and the brakes wont even move. I'm asking $400 because it was the best bike ever. If anon can get $4,000 for his well taken care of super-derp carbon bike made in 2015, then I certainly can get $400 for my awesome Huffy.
? A size too big but could try to make it fit if not use it for oarts. Thougjts?
>>951117
i'm sure that 14,000 dollar bianchi garbon fredmachine only cost about a grand to engineer and manufacture
Worth 650CAD?
Total newb here
Looking to get a fast commuter, and want to put a back rack on it or is this just stupid?
>>951758
eh, it wouldn't be a bad choice. i'd adjust the drop bars a little so the top of them line up with the top tube so it's a less aggressive ride.
also it doesn't look like you have top mounts for the rack so be sure to adjust the clamps you'll have to use instead at least once a week to make sure it doesn't start to loosen.
>>951649
Generally speaking, unless you're a decent mechanic used motorbikes are a terrible idea. Not so much with bicycles.
>>951775
>unless you're a decent mechanic
So, so true! It has to be a hobby, not just a possession. But I find the same to be true of bicycles; Getting a great deal on a used-up bicycle then paying the pros at the LBS will not really be a deal. If you can't (or don't want to) turn a wrench, stay in warranty or buy disposable.
>>951781
Thing is, that unlike motorbikes you can get away with way more diy tools etc. Etc. With bicycles, and the level of knowledge required isn't nearly the sa m e either.
I run a 92 klr 650 btw.
>>951720
>rear
Schwalbe professional bike tire
>front
Shit tiernazi rubber
Im confused
>>951862
Obvious shitposter is obvious but Schwalbe is as german as Conti.
>>951683
Yes hueland.
>>951723
- The bikes are bad.
- The sellers didn't take care of the bikes.
- Their opinions are bad.
- The sellers don't know the difference between the frame size and the frame's supported rim size.
Even if I get interested in any of these, I don't have time or money to visit each one of these guys to check if the bike fits me.
I'll just stick to buses and pray that bike prices go to what they were one year ago. Even walmart bikes have nearly doubled in price.
Okay, so I don't really have more than a $900 budget and have really liked the feel of this Specialized Allez (with CLARIS) and a Raleigh Revenio 2.0 (with SORA). It really is coming to my decision on how much would I regret getting the worse groupset. Aesthetically, I also strongly prefer the Allez. Pls, help. Would I even notice much of a difference between the Sora and Claris?
Get whichever has a nicer frame, run the drive train into the ground and then get 105 or ultegra imho.
>>951917
If I were you, I'd say save up for a 105. I rode Sora($900), sold it after a year and got 105 ($1200)
The performance is miles apart and I don't see any reason you would get a shit groupset unless you're just using it as a commuter. I don't get why you want to get something at the bottom of the barrel for that amount of money.
>>951720
You got that internal gearing dawg?
>>951924
How would you feel about Tiagra? Because 105 is nice, but I really don't think I need it. I understand it's smoother, but I think I'm pretty fast and do well in events, and I doubt the shifting can be THAT limiting? Do I need smacked and redpilled?
>>951978
I'm not sure about the 11spd tiagra, my friend has the 10 speed and the braking is much better with 105. IMO it's either 105 or nothing, but I'm speaking about the 10 speed set. Never tried Tiagra 11spd. With just $300 extra you get something way better.
>>951997
$300 is not an insignificant amount of money though.
>>952005
Indeed it isn't. But I lost $200 selling my bike at a loss because I wasn't content with the groupset I had, then spent the extra $300 the following year to get something I really wanted. If you're doubting yourself now, you probably wouldn't be happy with Sora. That same friend of mine is always telling me how he wishes he has 105 over tiagra.
Anyone knows where I can get a nice frame for a singlespeed bike in the EU?
>>951731
Cop.
It's just 65 bucks and if anything you can resell it for more.
>>951867
Schwalbe is actually a joint venture company with the korean hung-A
Schwalbe - I'm loving it!
>>951758
its red so its automatically fast
>>951959
Both bikes feature enclosed and lubricated sequential transmissions. One has five gears and the other eight. The big bike is only useful in the summertime, so I built the little one specifically to handle winter. The lights, fenders, belt, tires, disks, and hub all pull together on those slushy nights. The many disadvantages of geared hubs might not otherwise be worth it.
>pic related: the big bike in the wintertime.
This is a Serious Col de Pillon from 2012 with a Mavic Askium wheelset and a Tiagra 105 groupset which has only done 1300km.
Sigma computer and lights included, all for 300 €.
I've never seen a Serious before to be honest, but this looks like a pretty sweet deal to me.
Should I?
>>951862
Not into it enough to have opinions about tire brands, but both companies seem to do a good job. Have a pair of Marathon Winters too. I like the feel of that Conti just fine, and it has never given me any grief. Strategy with these was to have something plush and durable on the back, grippy and tactile on the front. All motorcycles and many other vehicles do it this way.
/n/, why do bicycle almost always have same rims and tires front and back? What advantage I am overlooking?
>sorry for the /o/ pic, but related
>>951105
Engineering and design you fucking mong
>>951105
Quality control tends to be better on higher end bikes, and that can get expensive, especially if the production facility sucks and you have a ton of frames being tossed out for every unit that passes QC/QA.
What do you think a 2000 Jake da snake for 500$ http://palmsprings.craigslist.org/bik/5564084309.html
>>952967
I-is this bait? It's fucking horrible value you mong. Steel fork, ancient shit group, cantilevers, old alu frame... Could go on forever. And at a substantial fraction of what a current model-year Kona CX costs with a carbon fork, disc brakes and a modern group.
Dear god please be bait and not gullibe craigslist hoover.
>>951033
yeah sure
full dura ace
no name generic carbon
generic wheelset
the stuff you wanna spend money on is the group and that has a nice group
wheels are probably perfectly adequate, same for the frame
looks like it has a nice seat and stem/post
>>953090
>the stuff you wanna spend money on is the group
dafug
that is literally backwards
frame > wheels > group
This is now the misinformation general thread.
>>953252
And kit
Nice wheels ain't shit without nice kit and an aero helmet
>>951033
no.
I'm thinking about getting a mtb to ride some places where my current 28c road tires aren't cutting it.
There are some 90s rigid GT, Scott, Marin bikes locally, are they still a good choice for getting into riding offroad? I'm ok with getting new tires, brake pads, cables but I'd rather not spend too much on this project.
picture is mostly unrelated
>>953284
A decent old rigid mtb is a great choice. You won't be keeping up with newer bikes but a nice old steel frame will deliver a stable and comfortable ride on rough terrain.
>>953284
Oh and how big tires can you usually fit on these old MTBs? 2"? 2,2"?
How much should I be looking to pay for this?
2004 Kona Jake
This a good deal?
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/scz/bik/5568312148.html
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Campagnolo-STI-Schalt-Bremshebel-Rennrad-Kombi-2x9-Gang-Lenker-/222100638291?hash=item33b63aca53:g:VZkAAOSwjMJXBpVg
are these worth it? i can't find this model of lever anywhere, and the seller doesn't know either
they look nice in any case, can i expect them to run very well after a good clean?
>>953646
Those are Avanti's.
Never had them, but they're not exactly high end stuff - probably not worth it.
Sorry for such a strange/stupid question, but is it safe to excersise on a bike if you have psoriasis? Does anyone have any experience here? I've heard some excersise like weight lifting and swimming are good, but I never asked my doctor if bike riding is safe.
>>953649
Ask your fucking doctor, faggot.
>>953649
It's a skin condition. What does that have to do with exercise? Why would it be unsafe?
>>953649
Unless your rash is at a contact point, why would it matter? I imagine some positions would be prone to chafing depending on your skin, but you should be able to figure that out right away.
Last year I rode through some water and my BB started creaking. I re-greased it after pulling apart the actual bearings and cleaning and whatnot.
The noise is back after riding a little in the rain. I pulled the cranks but not the bearings so needless to say I didnt break them down as that is a real pain in the ass. I did re-grease them.
It still feels a little rough and I think it will make some noise.
Do I really need to pull the bearings?
With bearing being kind of cheap ill any bearings in the bb30 standard work with my fsa cranks or do they need to be specific to that brand?
>>953916
You're not supposed to service those bearings. They're lubricated and sealed for life, and when they start acting up they're spent. That happens before lubrication is an issue, which is why relubrication is not a fix.
Rain or not has nothing to do with it. You need new bearings. What kind depends on your frame as there is unfortunately multiple and incompatible BB30 "standards".
>>953919
The bike is only 2 years old and has less than 5000 miles on it. That seems a little quick for a set of bearings to wear out.
If you needed transportation asap and had to buy a bike new, because no cash flow, what would you do?
>>953974
CX 105
I don't even know anything about drive train components, really. I've just been indoctrinated by /n/ that 105 is the best most durable value for money group-set.
>>954003
Yeah I don't have 1k to drop on a bicycle
>>954009
Schwinn gateway/wayfarer/admiral
>>954009
Then i wouldn't buy new.
going to go see this bike in about a half hour anyone know what model it is and if 240 CAD is a a good deal?
>inb4 its a Trek hurr hurrr
>>954009
I got myself a cheap scat cx bike. It cost about $900 after taxes and bs. I know its not top of the line but it works fine for what it is and is a great commuter. I dont care if its snow or rain I would ride that bike in anything and I know I wont care if it gets a little beat up. I do care when my caad10 105 gets dirty and I take care of that... then again I paid more for it.
Buy used on craigslist
>>954233
http://archive.trekbikes.com/us/en/2007
2007 trek 1000
>>954240
thanks anon leaving now to go pick it up
Hey, can anyone ID this bike for me? It's a bianchi obviously, but I can't figure out which year/model.
>>954250
Can you post a better picture? It's really hard to see much, about the only thing I can clearly ID are the shifters, which look like Shimano 105, which would make this a lower-mid-tier model.
>>954250
Looks like mid 90's Jap made Bianchi. Need detailed pics, faggot.
>>954323
I approve.
I'm a /g/ fag who needs to get out more and do some off the ass activity. All steel, 11 speed 105, cantis, $849. Worth it to ride ~20mi to and from work every day?
>>954414
Thanks bby, it was barely used so 150 off MSRP was fine for me.
>>954543
Yes.
>>954543
>do some off the ass activity
>cycling
I have some news for you...
>>954567
Do you even ride?
>>954323
What does it weigh?
>>954571
I do actually. My ass is currently in the process of killing me as it sat for several hours on a small triangular piece of plastic that also transferred all the bumps from the road.
>>954576
Idk, light enough to pick up over my head with ease.
>>954578
Weigh it, please?
>>954580
22lbs
>>954577
Ride harder. Bumps are supposed to be absorbed by your legs.
>>954582
The hell a hiten bike weighs that little.
>>954584
Hiten?
>>954585
high tensile steel
>>954586
Oh well idk how it's 22lbs. But it's a barebones fixie. Not like weight matters that much anyway.
>>951033
Ti Cyclocross, full Ultegra 6800, hydraulic disc
I want to pull the trigger on this, I'm all set to do it but it's out of stock in my size and it will be six months before they have it again.
Is there anything comparable at a reasonable price or are BD the only way to get an affordable bike like this?
>>954644
those are some shitty cranks m8
>>954563
Thanks senpai. Will probably swap those tires out for something slicker.
>>954644
Also, how about the group set:
$1399 - 105
$1599 - SRAM Rival
$1999 - Ultegra 6800
105 is much cheaper and I might want to upgrade to get hydraulic discs in the future. Worth it as a hedge against upgrades?
>>954645
>shitty cranks
What's wrong with them?
Not trolling, I hadn't taken any notice because I know fuck all about cranks.
The non-hydraulic disc Ultegra bike has Ultegra cranks but the others all seem to have "FSA Gossamer Cross Updated MEGAEXO".
Is it a big deal?
>>954647
>Will probably swap those tires out for something slicker.
That's a good idea, I despise Kenda. Most of my bikes have started with Kenda because they're cheap and good to slap on stock bikes but I switch out for Continental or Schalwbe asap
Consider this:
http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/motobecane/cross-bikes/outlaw-discbrake-thruaxle-cross.htm
A very similar bike with a slightly better groupset for the same price.
>>954651
FSA gosseamers
Pedals cross thread easy, strip out easy, weld themselves to square taper (there is a bb30 version), they also fight you when you use a crank arm extractor.
Basically once FSA goasamers or w/e the spelling is the $39.99 cast alum solid cranks are on they're trash since removing and installing them aren't in their design unlike dura ace
Also those cranks flex a lot so if you can mash hard you'll risk snapping them (you can flex them by yanking on them hard with your hands) you lose a lot of power as well
Also those cranks teach bad pedaling habits and make clipping in a very odd experience since they're so flexy and putting weight on them isn't confidence inspiring.
I had them on an entry level road bike I bought in 2011 and I hated them
Garbage cranks all around
There is no excuse for a $1000 bike to use off brand bottom brackets and a $40 crank
Idk what the fuck they're selling you but that bike needs at least a hollowtech II ultegra crankset or higher.
For 4 figures I want a last gen dura ace or a current gen ultegra
I can buy an ultegra crankset on wiggle for $159.99 shipped to my door
If I'm paying $999+ tax for a bike I you get parts whole sale on ($50 part for bikes direct) then put it on my bike
>>954701
Ok, so I guess I can upgrade the cranks on them or just go for the Ultegra version of the bike which has Hollowtech2.
>>954704
I guess if you feel like buying an inferior titanium bike. Bikes direct frames are pretty shitty
Someone started a bullshit rumor that lynskey makes them but lynskey makes frames in the US.
Some idots also say that bikes direct to bikes are rebranded moots ...fuck no they aren't.
This is my lynskey built litespeed
You can see the differences
>>954701
I have Gossamers. I've never experienced anything wrong with them. But i am a casualfag.
So I am a fag who wants to into biking for commute and fitness reasons.
Also I have not the slightest idea about bikes.
What kind of bike would you advise? A friend told me I should look into a tracking bike, and all I know is, that designs like >>954239 make me moist.
Also I only make 200 bucks a month, is it even possible to acquire a nice bike for 600 bucks or less?
>>954800
You like trek bikes?
Trek fx series hybrid
Fits your budget, needs and skill
A road bike is ALOT at once with brifters, race fit, and clipless pedals
>>954803
Now you're just being silly. Drop bars and brifters is not a bad idea for a beginner, in fact i'd recommend it for anyone with the slightest inclination. Clipless pedals and race fit are not necessary aspects of a road bike.
>>954820
More and better ergonomical hand positions make for bettor comfort on longer rides. And also better aero.
Also, the advice we give everyone on a budget here: seriously consider and take a look at the second hand bike market.
>>954825
Well that does sound like it would be a nice thing to have.
And I am both reluctant to spend too much money on my first real bike and to purchase second hand... What would be an 'approved' price range?
>>954880
$250+ for something used that isn't a total piece of junk
>>954881
Was planning on dropping up to 500, thats why the FX 7.2 looked pretty nice, but I think I'd prefer a drop bar, or is that an relatively easy thing to 'upgrade'?
>>954882
>is that an relatively easy thing to 'upgrade'?
You'd think so, wouldn't you? But no, it's not. You'd need to buy a new bar, bartape, brifters and brakes. And then i'm unsure about the compatibility of any brifters with those derailleurs.
Ultimately it's you yourself who has to feel good about your purchase. Drop bar road bikes do tend to be a little more expensive than an equivalent flat bar bike.
I have a 2014 caad 10 with 105 shifters, fsa cranks and cheap tektro brakes (which ill still lock up the wheels).
It also has some cheap shimano rs11 wheelset.
Would getting a $500ish range set of wheels even be worthwhile on this bike? there is nothing wrong with the wheelset currently on it. They are in the 1900gr range. wheelset suggestions?
>>954882
If it were easy everyone would buy a flat bar road bike and buy a $100 set of drop bars than to drop $1500-3000 on a mid level road bike.
Flat bar road bikes have a longer top tube and a more upright seating position.relaxed geomtry so using the "drops" part of the bar will be hard o. Your back and neck since you're forcing your body down on a bike that wants you to be up.
Flat bar bikes have different shifters and brake levers.
Road bikes have shifters and brake levers integrated with each other. New levers means new headaches since shimano likes to claim nothing is backwards compatible
Meaning it's a game of does this shifter work with this derailur
For example shimano 105 groupset
Simple right. Just buy the 105 branded everything and it works right?
Wrong
Fd-5800 isn't compatible with 5700 shifters and a 5700 shifter isn't compatible with a triple crank which needs a 5710 left shifter but that isn't compatible with the 5800 Rd
And SS isn't compatible with 105 casettes that need a gs designated long cage casette then you have to worry about all this other shit
Oh and to further complicate shit. Bike shops will have random incompatible parts on sale and/or bundled together in clearance sections
>>954971
>You'd need to buy a new bar, bartape, brifters and brakes
Are you sure that you need new brakes?
>>954812
>Clipless pedals and race fit are not necessary aspects of a road bike.
That's certainly true and pedals/shoes are very easy to upgrade.
If anon buys some Arnie-style 70s-90s steel road bike then sure, that's a decent thing to commute on if the roads are good. Sheldon famously took one mountain biking in Europe but that's Sheldon. For shit roads and a commute that involves trails through parks etc, a hybrid would be more practical.
pic related: typical commuter on typical commuter bike
>>954988
As far as i know, no drop bar brake handles are made to work with linear pull brakes.
In my opinion those roads and trails have to be pretty fucken shitty indeed for flat bars to be more desirable than drop bars.
I fell for the hybrid meme a year ago and now I'm ready to upgrade to a real road bike. I've been riding a Giant. Should I stick with them, or look into other high-end brands like canondale? I can spend around $2000 usd so I'm probably going to buy a new bike with a lifetime warranty on the frame. Any recommendations, or sources of information for me to learn about exactly what to look for? Youtube videos seem contradictory
>>954995
The brand on the frame is pretty irrelevant. You should be looking at the components. Go for the 105 meme next.
>>954996
>>954996
I know the components are overall more important, and it would possibly be more economical to get a budget frame and upgrade from there. But I don't really want to try that when I haven't even ridden a road bike before. Call me a fred, but I'd rather spend more to get a prebuilt bike instead of something that may or may not work based on my own ability to get the right parts.
>>954998
That's not what i meant. It's likely more economical to get a complete bike. I'm just saying you shouldn't focus on one particular brand but instead look at the components they stick on any given model.
>>955000
Oh okay. The Giant road bikes I'm looking at pretty much uses Shimano. When you're telling me to go for the 105 meme, are you being serious? This bike uses "105" parts.
http://www.giant-bicycles.com/en-us/bikes/model/tcr.advanced.2/18726/76098/#overview
>>955011
Yes, i am. To be honest, i'm a bit too casual to have experience myself, but years of lurking /n/ has led me me to think 105 is what i would be looking at if i was in the market for a road bike. There's a discussion about it one thread over >>954826
That looks like a fine bike if you want a carbon frame and that's the kind of money you feel comfortable dropping on a road bike.
Is around $300 enough to buy a decent road bike that was made post 2000? Don't want anything with DT shifters.
http://newjersey.craigslist.org/search/bia
>>955027
I forgot to say, 5'8" w/ 32 inseam
>>955027
>http://newjersey.craigslist.org/search/bia
A quick scroll through says nope.
>>955018
Thanks. I dont necessarily need carbon but that looked like the best Giant bike with the best components given my price range. I want it to be something I can win races with eventually. The next best thing I can see is a Defy 3 but that uses Sora parts. http://www.giant-bicycles.com/en-us/bikes/model/defy.3/22177/83958/#specifications
I'm sure it's still a great bike but I really want the best bike for me
>>955011
In essence 105 =/= 105
I'll explain later
They stick that 105 sticker across multiple genrations, models and bikes
>>955044
I don't understand. What are the parts on the TCR 2 that I linked, then? It says Shimano 105
>>955055
>I don't understand. What are the parts on the TCR 2 that I linked, then? It says Shimano 105
Basically we don't know.
There are several different 'kinds' of 105. We'd have to know which is used for what component to be sure. The different 105 models aren't even all compatible which is retarded.
>>955055
So they can be generous and give you $400 worth of shit or $120 worth of shit if that
>>955055
see
>>955045
>>955055
I had more time to look at your link
Okay so it says 105 components, and 11 speed, by that's not a 5800 crank
The fd-5800 crank is only compatible with 11 speed revised pull ratio cranksets, and same for the shifters
We can assume the Rd is rd-5800ss black
Short cage 11 speed $39.99 on performance bike, and a 105 5800 11 speed cassette since tiagra is 10 speed during the 800 years $39.99 nashbar
Shifters are $139.99 nashbar for 2 chain ring front 11 speed rear
Not cou ting the 20% off coupons.
It looks like it's some sort of mismash of parts and you don't know what you're getting.
You can get more bike for the money $2000 that you're spending elsewhere
Try focus, trek emonda or caad12 if you like 105 prebuilt bikes
>>951605
Most bikes ship with more carbon fiber on them than road bikes today
Fenders, fairings, spacers, washers, brackets, levers, etc etc it adds up
>>955064
Okay, so what you're saying is that 105 is more like a synonym for "B+-Grade" rather than a specific kind. That doesn't really matter to me. A blog linked in the thread about shifters said that 105 parts are basically on par with Ultegra. I was also considering the 2016 TCR Advanced 1 over the 2015 TCR Advanced 2 but I doubt I'd ever really feel the difference. I just don't know if it's worth it to pay $500 for Ultegra parts over 105.
>>955066
Okay, how do I know what parts I'm getting then? Everywhere I've heard says Giant makes great bikes and TCR is supposedly one of their best road bikes.
>>955067
Can you please explain what you're trying to say without the whole "get back to /pol/!" meme? I'm just trying to learn about bikes
>>955069
Are you drunk or something? Call me retarded but I don't understand what the fuck you're trying to say.
>>955072
>I doubt I'd ever really feel the difference. I just don't know if it's worth it to pay $500 for Ultegra parts over 105
You won't be good enough to know the difference for a long time. If you're not racing, it's probably not worth it. Ultegra is better though and doesn't have the same mish-mash of parts that 105 has (it has some but not as bad).
105 is a marketing segment, like the others. It's just a kind of big one. It's where the parts start getting pretty good though.
>>955073
>Are you drunk or something?
Looks like he's on a phone.
>>955072
>Can you please explain what you're trying to say without the whole "get back to /pol/!" meme?
Anon is saying that you're talking to a stormfaggot who feels the need to use a nazi shibboleth* in his name field. Which we could all do without really.
*seewhatIdidthere
>>955072
Check the namefields before replying to people, some people are retards. Sometimes you can identify retards by the name field. Not calling you, Anonymous, /pol/
>>955075
Ah I understand. Thank you for the information. I'm comparing a CAAD12 Ultegra to a Giant TCR with Ultegra parts. The cannondale is cheaper by a few hundred dollars. What do you have to say about the differences between the bikes? I know I'll have to test ride similar bikes before I make the decision.
http://www.cannondale.com/en/USA/Bike/ProductDetail?Id=6f7690f5-b0d5-45dc-a9d0-a6043240a77a&parentid=undefined
http://www.giant-bicycles.com/en-us/bikes/model/tcr.advanced.1/22171/83946/#specifications
>>955073
see
>>955045
Check namefields before responding to posters
>>955076
>>955078
Ok.
I'm leaning more towards getting a cannondale now because my local dealer for them offers full professional bike fit, while the Giant dealer just finds the frame size and saddle height, then goes basically goes "hey, whatever's comfortable for you!"
So I'm also looking at this as it's in my price range
http://www.cannondale.com/en/USA/Bike/ProductDetail?Id=ca56676a-5296-46dd-9633-86a9e7e1e3bd
Does the CAAD12 make more sense than this for someone that wants a bike to mostly train but eventually race on? I don't really know all the differences between carbon and aluminum
>>955081
train and race on my caad
most people train and race on the same bike, unless they have a $10000 bike and something cheaper
just get a caad 12
>>955081
Caad is so much better. The professional fit is valued at $250
>>955082
So cannondale's little marketing blurbs about each bike's "specialties" don't actually reflect anything, I'm guessing? I'm a really small guy (120 lbs and 5'6, yes I know I'm a skeleton) so I thought the lighter carbon bike would benefit me. I guess this doesn't really matter if I'm not going on tours. I'd definitely rather have something that's happy to be ridden every day for years.
I'm going to swing by the cannondale dealer tomorrow to test ride a caad, then probably order one.
>>955089
the caad12 has a heavier fork but it makes up for stifness
you're not racing so the advantages of carbon are negligible, all except a TINY bit of a nicer ride
over alumnim which is more durable, cheaper and is the harshest ride of steel, carbon, titanium (but it's not super harsh)
Hey guys, I'm not so familiar with race bike manufacturers and have to decide between getting one of these two.
Those are the best pictures I could get, sorry
>>955483
Negri please.
>>955483
downtube shifters vs stem shifters...
>>955484
second
>>955483
Negri looks pretty sweet. Centaur is a piece of shit.
Any halfway decent steel road bike, the frame will have forged dropouts with an integral rear derailer hanger, like on the left, where the RD threads into the frame.
On a shit tier road bike with stamped dropouts the RD will have its own hanger and bolt onto the frame with the skewer (the centaur).
>>955546
I mean it looks like it will ride pretty sweet. Looks like a quality bike. You're 6' or up though yeah? It's pretty large.
>>955089 here. I placed the order, and I'm getting my ultegra caad 12 (rim breaks) next week. I wasn't sure what size I was but they said I was between a 52 and 54. I just gave my height and checked clearance.
The only 54 they had was a caad 8 (discounted down to 900 -- it was really tempting) so I test rode that and compared it to a 52 caad 12. I was far more comfortable on the 54, and felt squished on the 52. I rode the 54 caad 8 for at least half an hour and had to make myself stop. So it made sense to me to order my bike in a 54.
However I'm starting to have doubts. Google brings me to forums where people are giving their measurements and size. A lot of people apparently say to pick the smaller one if you're between sizes because it's easier to adjust. And the geometry between the caad 8 and 12 is supposed to be pretty different. On the other hand I know I was a thousand times more comfortable on the 54. Maybe I have long limbs or something.
Am I totally fucked if I ordered the wrong size? I know I'm probably overthinking this.
>>955566
kek manlet
>>955570
You got it, I don't even lift. I'm trying to eat more to ride more. Maybe I'll join a gym one day.
But manlet skeletons can be pretty fast, you know.
>>955566
>Am I totally fucked if I ordered the wrong size?
No, you're not. I've been riding a frame a little too large, and it's no big deal. Yes, the standard advise is to go with the smaller frame over the larger frame if in doubt, but it sounds to me that that you weren't. The reason the 52 felt cramped may have been due to longitudinal seat adjustment and stem, but you'll definitely be able to adjust the 54 to be comfortable. It'll be fine, anon.
>>955575
Thank you. I would be more confident if I compared the same model of different sizes, instead of the 54 being a caad 8. I would also be more confident if I knew what kind of posture I should actually be holding. I hear people use smaller bikes for more "aggressive" racing postures, but they get uncomfortable for longer rides. Since racing isn't something I'm remotely capable of, what I did probably does make sense. The mechanic that was helping me said that she adjusted the seat on the 52 to be about the same as the 54, so that the frame was supposed to be the only thing that's different. I guess I'll go back there today and talk to them about it, that should help me sleep at night for the next week.
Will post pics of the bike once I have it. Thanks yall
>>955566
There is literally a difference of 6mm in reach between 52 and 54. Most stems come in increments of 10mm. Even if you add 3mm of reach because of head tube angle to get the stem at the same height, that's still only one stem size.
>>955581
I would wait until you get on the bike, but before you leave the store with it before you get too worked up. As an anecdote, me, and two other riders that are extremely close to me are the same height (within an inch at least), yet the range of sizes we ride is drastically different. I am 5'6" and I ride a 50 cm frame, and I am only slightly more flexible than average but I feel better on slightly shorter frames. My saddle is 69 cm up from the bottom bracket.
My friend is probably 5'5" if not the same height as me, yet he rides a 47 cm frame with the stem slammed and longer than any bike would ever be come with in a size 47 cm. His saddle is 2 cm or so lower than mine. He is a bit more flexible, but a much stronger rider than me.
My boss is the same height as me, yet has a 4-5 cm lower saddle and rides a 54 cm frame. He still has some saddle-to-bar drop, and his body position on the hoods is not upright. He is not much faster than me in terms of sprinting or climbing, because I am much much younger than he is, but he does 100 mile rides with a few mountains thrown in at an average speed of 20+ mph.
My point is that only using body measurements to decide what size to ride is not a guarantee that the size is right for you: it is just a good place to start when trying out bikes and then work feom there if needed.
>>955602
Thanks. I know there's more to it than height and clearance, that's part of why I'm stressed out. I spent 1000 hours making this autistic chart (I photoshopped out the listing in inches on the 12's geometry because it bothered me) comparing what I test rode and felt comfortable on (a 54 caad 8, on the left), what I test rode and felt uncomfortable on (middle) and what I ordered (right). >>955598 mentioned the reach, and it looks like this bike's sizing is pretty different from the 8?
Did the shop make a mistake in using the caad 8 to size me for the 12?
>>955603
It wasn't perfect obviously, but it is closer to the caad12 54 than the caad12 52, so I don't think it will be a mistake.
The best thing to do in this situation, in my opinion, is test ride the bike in the parking lot before you "accept it." If the size is way off like the 52 was, then remind them that you were sized for this based on a caad8, but the 54 caad12 isn't going to work for you in the end. If they can't get the bike you want to fit you, then don't buy it. If the shop claims to not accept returns on special ordered bikes, argue that you had them order the 54 caad12 because you trusted that their size recommendation would fit you comfortably.
My guess is that the 54 cm is better than the 52 cm in this case. (but, again, this is just a guess from someone on the internet. have a LITTLE faith in the people at your bike shop to be able to adjust the fit of the bike to you before you accept or reject the bike)
>>955613
I went back today and talked to the owner (who does the fitting) and he gave me a "second opinion" after sizing me up a little, asking some questions, and comparing the geometries in his book. He's positive that a 54 is for me.
> test ride the bike in the parking lot before you "accept it."
He said that if I don't think the frame is the right size for me after the fitting (which includes basically anything that can be adjusted) then I can get a different one. So I'm a lot more at ease now.
>>954988
i dont understand how many cyclists dont have thick legs
>>955713
Most cyclists ride 15 miles a week if that and shift at the first sign of any resistance
Which is why forcing single speeds on fatties is so effective, it worked on me
And when I built the bike I have I can for sure say those extra 19 gears made me lazy
Since I'm avoiding mashing like I had to to get up a hill on 53 tooth front 11 rear fixed gear....did that over and over for a year until I could make it up the hill and made a decent weight
>>955713
Only track cyclists and mashfags have thick legs.
>>955723
Pedaling slowly on a too-high gear
>>955728
>use lower gears
>takes twice as long to get to places
>>955717
That's not how gearing works. Climbing a hill is the same amount of work no matter what gear you're in. Gearing trades load for time/distance. It doesn't magicaly give you free power.
You don't burn less calories on a climb just because you're in a lower gear.
>>955723
Pedaling furiously (with a high cadence) on a low gear is called spinning, while pedaling slower (low cadence) on a high gear is called mashing.
Mashing up hills constantly will build strength
>>955733
Not if you pedal twice as fast :^)
>tfw "mashing"
>still get passed
>people that pass me look like they arent even trying
>>955735
You don't build strength that way.
If you drop down and just spin up a hill you're effectively just wasting time.
But if you're on a fixed gear and mashing up a hill it is basically forcing you do do leg presses
One activity will make you faster over time the other....I guess at least you're out riding?
>>955743
FAT SLOW ASSHOLE FUCK OFF
>>951033
Want to buy a bike rack for my car (pic related very similar)
Any recomendations that doesnt cost me a liver?
>>955773
Do you have a trailer hitch? Hitch racks are nice. Thule, Yakima, and Saris make good stuff. Roof racks are an option too.
Those cheap strap on racks work fine too, but hitch racks are nicer.
Also depends how many bikes you want to carry at a time. There are 2-, 3-, and 4- bike racks.
>>955743
Do you work at being this dumb, too?
How much money would you pay for this?
http://www.zoll-auktion.de/auktion/auktion.php?id=470342
Keep in mind that one of the tires is broken.
It has 24 gears.
About picking the right frame size:
Apart from all the theory and manufacturer specifications on recommended bike sizes, how do I actually tell which bike size is better for me without having the opportunity to ride it a few dozens of miles?
Is there even THAT much of a difference if the two frames are so similarly sized?
>>955743
>If you spin up a hill you're wasting time
Yeah I guess Chris Motherfucking Froome and everyone that climbs like him is just wasting time, that's how they win races. Fucking dumbass. Use whatever gear your body wants to.
>muh high gears build strength!
>i-it's not that I can't maintain a decent cadence, I'm just pushing out the high gears!
>>955713
>i dont understand how many cyclists dont have thick legs
because they do intense cardio and don't eat like a weightlifter?
>>955891
If you can't actually ride it then you need to try and find something similar and ride that. Maybe measure up your current bike if you have one, or ask a friend similar size to you if you can try their bike and then measure it and compare. If this is your first road bike DON'T just guess what size you need.
>is there even THAT much difference [..]
If you're talking about pic related, that's a pretty big difference between size L and XL, yes.
how much is a SS conversion usually?
frame + rear wheel + new tires?
or am I better off getting a Jamis beatnik or some Bikes Direct shit??
Looking to get into some long distance touring, have already done a few ~500 mile tours and looking to do multiple month tours but I don't have very much money.
Does /n/ know if this bike will hold up on the road? I imagine I will have to replace the rear rack and probably get a new wheelset. I am kind of worried about cantilever brakes as I have never used them and hear they can be unstable and generally shit in the rain.
I've noticed the components are kind of a hodge-podge of parts which seems really odd and off putting really, but the price...well I cannot find any touring specific bikes for even close to that low of a price.
I am also not opposed to building a bike from a frameset but I cannot seem to find any cromoly, touring geometry, framesets within my budget.
Thanks for an advice
http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/windsor/tourist-touring-bikes-v.htm
>>956095
Lots of people have good experience with their touring bikes, you can google "three grads and a dad" to read about three Windsor Tourist (older models) bikes used for a xc tour.
Cantis are fine, are you coming from using discs or just you've never used cantis
>>956116
I am just used to dual pivot brakes
Reading that tour log now, thank you anon
>>956117
Cantis are an improvement over dual pivots actually.
You're welcome
>>956090
It really depends on what deals you can find in your area. You can almost always find a good candidate (levers in good condition) for less than $100. As far as wheels go, you'll have to decide between getting a cheap set that will last a limited time, or investing in a solid set.
You can find a decent set of wheels for about $150 (velomine has good deals on wheels).
Then consider the price of a new BB, crank (unless you jerry rig an old one), chain, and freewheel. Most people who do SS conversions have some of these parts left over from other projects.
If you can find a solid frame or wheelset for cheap, I'd say go for it. There's nothing really wrong with Bikes Direct bikes at all, but the wheels will be much less durable than the ones you would buy (usually) and a lot of the parts will end up being lower quality (brakes, levers, BB).
>>956095
I've heard nothing but good things about this bike in particular. I've even considered getting it myself, but fixing up an older Japanese touring bike always seems more appealing and cheaper.
If you're willing to change the wheels, I can't really see much else that could cause you problems. Maybe the BB could give you trouble, but those are disposable now anyway.
>>955077
TCR frames are well liked, thanks to their stiffness and responsiveness. Here you're comparing an aluminium Cannondale against a carbon TCR.
I'd go with the TCR desu
>>956128
I'm buying a bike that's supposed to last me a VERY long time, even if I crash. I test rode some specialized and giant carbon bikes and they really didn't feel like some magical god material compared to the caad 12. I live in a mostly flat area so the 1-2lb weight difference isn't going to ruin my life, anyway.
But more than anything, I've dealt with the only local Giant dealer for a year now and I learned they fucking suck. The only bike fit they're willing to do is the saddle height, everything else is just "well if you experience any pain come back to us." They do shoddy maintenance work as well. The cannondale dealer gives free fits (they have the 3 kinds available, and the level below tri involves anything that can be adjusted).
I don't think I'll be disappointed just because it's aluminum.
>>956230
>I'm buying a bike that's supposed to last me a VERY long time
you're doing road bikes wrong
you ride the caad12 until the caad 13 comes out with a new shimano groupset in 2 years and sell your current bike for ~$700 if you maintain it well
>>956266
>Fuck off, he's hardly "doing it wrong".
I think you missed the point.
Thinking about getting this Univega:
https://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/bik/5583968669.html
Is it a good deal? Will this survive daily abuse for a few years?
Its kind of expensive for me but everything for $100 is crap.
>>956494
>https://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/bik/5583968669.html
It will easily hold up for a few years. I'd maybe try to drop them down to $200, but I think it's worth it.
>>956494
Are you 6' or taller?
>>956506
6' but I like a slightly small frame
I know literally nothing about bicycles, I can't even ride one
But I want one
What do I get
I want something fast and sexual looking
>>956819
>I want something fast and sexual looking
A velomobile is for you. They set the human powered vehicle speed records, and look like giant dildos.
>>956819
ROAAAADU RAISSSER is the only way
>>956836
I don't literally want a penis on wheels
>>956819
I'd say, a cross bike would give you a great start. Or a hard mountain bike if you have woods nearby.
But what do I know, I never even rode drops.
>>956836
How about this one?
>>956883
for the most part, there are very few decent bikes out there with stem mounted shifters produced in the 90's
>>956883
also the benefits of titanium are not utilized by the Chinese frame builders
they just slap any rando geo frame together to sell to people who think bikes are nothing but spec sheets
>>956888
>they just slap any rando geo frame together to sell to people who think bikes are nothing but spec sheets
anon wanted sexy, not good.
It will still be light. What are the intangible benefits? Some vibration damping?
i just bought this bike earlier for £35,
did i do good?
Ive been planning on getting a bike for a few weeks now just to kinda cycle about here and there maybe go to college(3+miles) and back, but mainly to get the feel of a bike again cus i havent had one in a few years and it would be good to use it.
im gonna clean it up a bit cus its kinda rusty where the chain connects and stuff but apart from that it seems fine
>>956898
>not checking the namefield before replying
>>956898
>titanium
>light
Choose one.
>>956981
Lighter than midrange double butter cromo and low end aluminum.
>>956981
Well made titanium can be extremely light. Not racing bike carbon light, but damn light.
China titanium is probably crap though. My buddy is getting a custom-built titanium frame from China; he sent over some drawings for me to review. All straight tubes (except for the chainstays), and all constant diameter - no internally butted tubes. Gonna ride like a tractor (not to mention be heavy). He bought it anyway...
>>957002
You do realize butted tubes for titanium have gone out of fashion right? Not just for China but most makers. Mostly because it costs a lot more, for very small returns and weight weenies no longer look to titanium as a competitive material
>>957002
Also, the only other tubes that would be tapered on a frame are possibly the head tube for tapered forks, and seat stays, which don't require tapering and mostly tapered out of tradition.
>>956981
So what are the advantages of titanium if not weight? I understood it as an alternative to steel that weighed a lot less.
How is a Trek 1.1 for entry level?
>>957036
Pic
>>957009
It looks good (can be polished without paint), durable and repairable, absorbs vibration (maybe), and can be welded. Lends itself to custom crafted art that you can also ride.
>for the Ti demographic, expensive is a feature not a bug
>>957053
>repairable
What is this retarded meme? Carbon fiber is repairable, so is aluminum. Any welded frame can not be brought back to like-new condition. Only brazed frames can. Weldability is not an advantage, it's just a construction technique.
>>957036
I've owned one and I absolutely hated it
It's only claris, and even then, ONLY the derailleur and shifters are shimano, everything else is lower quality than claris even,
- bottom bracket and frame flexes like crazy, can easily get the chain to rub on BOTH sides of the front derailleur at the same time
- geometry's all fucked up, tiny chainstays mean that even a 25 on the rear wheel can rub against the seat tube, and your foot can hit the rear derailleur, but the head tube is massive for dat dere "endurance" geometry
- perishable parts (tyres, brake pads, chain) are all beyond shit-tier and I had to replace all of them within 500km
- gearing is very aggressive for a entry-level endurance bike (who needs a 50x11 AND a 50x12 on this sort of bike? I set mine up with a single 36t chainring)
- saddle is complete shit and bar tape disintegrated in my hands
- heavy as fuckkk even for a cheap road bike (over 10kg, why is there 32 spokes in the front wheel?)
I've also owned a giant defy w/ sora, and I would strongly recommend that over the trek. Not a single one of the above complaints applied. It might be a one or two hundred more but every penny is worth it, IMO
>>957077
So a giant defy then?
>>957094
No, he's just a shitposter who bought an entry level bike, and is unfairly criticizing the bike due to his inexperience.
>>957097
You got a different rec, Anon?
>>957098
Yes, buy a piece of shit from BD or your country's equivalent, because you're going to end up with shitty entry level parts anyways. You might as well not pay the brand tax when even the brand name shit is going to be a compromise.
>>957097
Sorry me again, just curious how any of my criticism was "unfair"?
>>957107
Most of it. You're going to argue with that, so I'll point out where you are factually false
>- gearing is very aggressive for a entry-level endurance bike (who needs a 50x11 AND a 50x12 on this sort of bike? I set mine up with a single 36t chainring)
Both the Defy 3 ( yours) and the Defy 5 have 50x11 top gears. Chainrings lower than 50 for road bikes basically might as well not exist. CX cranks don't give more low end, they just have a smaller jump. Their 36 small ring is actually bigger. Almost every wide range cassette starts with 11t. The majority of cassettes now start with 11t. This is a stupid criticism, that shows your inexperience and is factually wrong.
This isn't to say I agree with the rest of your things on the list, simply that you're just going to say "nuh-uh, you're dumb" etc, and it is simply not worth debating.
It's not even fair to compare a sora spec bike to a claris spec bike in the first place, then claim the differences are due to brand.
>>957112
Man I don't see how this is helping the guy buying a bike but here we go:
>Both the Defy 3 ( yours) and the Defy 5 have 50x11 top gears.
Well mines a couple years old but has a 12-30, just FYI.
>Chainrings lower than 50 for road bikes basically might as well not exist.
Which is why pros dont ALL have a 34,36,39 inner chainrings?
>CX cranks
wat?
>The majority of cassettes now start with 11t
OK? I never disagreed with that. But that doesn't mean an 11t cassette is automatically the best option. Your calling me stupid and inexperienced just because you fall for the retarded dick-measuring marketing from manufacturers "hurr higher gear = better".. how about another gear that you will actually use instead of pointless 50x11? (protip: plenty of people with much more experience than you VOLUNTARILY remove such high gears from their cassette to give themselves more mid-range, because noone really needs a 50x11 in everyday use.)
Also, yes most 11 speed cassettes go down to 11t, but this is an 8 speed cassette, you might not be old enough to remember but when everyone was using less sprockets, it was much more common to see a 12t or even 13t final sprocket. This 8sp cassette trying to act like an 11sp one is my main criticism.
Anyway, the crux of it all is this: If you can get to 75 km/h before spinning out in 50x11, you should be able to get to 65 km/h in 50x13, and who the fuck is putting power down above 65 km/h on a fucking trek 1.1??
>This isn't to say I agree with the rest of your things on the list, simply that you're just going to say "nuh-uh, you're dumb" etc,
Dunno why youre being so aggressive, the guy asked for opinions about the bike and I offered them
>It's not even fair to compare a sora spec bike to a claris spec bike
The trek 1.1 with some claris but mostly offbrand components, and the giant defy with almost full sora, are THE SAME PRICE
Dunno why I'm bothering to reply but here u go anyway
>>957122
>Which is why pros dont ALL have a 34,36,39 inner chainrings?
We're talking about top gears. Why else would you mention 50x11? Are you intentionally being retarded by ignoring context? Or is it necessary that I type out the context every time I reply to your posts?
>Well mines a couple years old but has a 12-30, just FYI.
No, the past few years have come with 11-32. The years with a 12t top also come with a smaller low cog. I also know this is bullshit and you're showing your inexperience, again, because the 12-30 is a 10 speed cassette. The fact of the matter is that with the cassettes available from major manufacturers, if you want a lower bottom gear, you end up with an 11t most of the time.
You can pull shit out of your ass all you want, but it's readily apparent that's exactly what you're doing.
>wat?
This is you not knowing anything about bikes.
> But that doesn't mean an 11t cassette is automatically the best option.
It's the best option because the cassettes with big cogs come with an 11t for maximum range. Those are the options available.
>Your calling me stupid and inexperienced
No, you're stupid because you don't know shit.
>protip: plenty of people with much more experience than you VOLUNTARILY remove such high gears from their cassette to give themselves more mid-range
Protip, those aren't stock cassettes, and you're a moron.
>Also, yes most 11 speed cassettes go down to 11t, but this is an 8 speed cassette, you might not be old enough to remember but when everyone was using less sprockets, it was much more common to see a 12t or even 13t final sprocket. This 8sp cassette trying to act like an 11sp one is my main criticism.
Okay, this is you reading a retrogrouch blog and thinking you know everything about bikes. I could go deeper into this, but you;re going to continue to make complete ass pulls.
>Dunno why youre being so aggressive, the guy asked for opinions about the bike and I offered them
Because your opinion is shit.
>>957122
>The trek 1.1 with some claris but mostly offbrand components, and the giant defy with almost full sora, are THE SAME PRICE
Oh look, another complete ass pull. $920, exact same price as $770.
>Dunno why I'm bothering to reply but here u go anyway
You are a gigantic faggot and I come to 4chan to call people like you idiots and hopefully make you feel bad.
>>957125
OK anon. You really made a worthwhile contribution to this thread, keep up the good work.
>>957131
>ausfalia
Why are Australians always such shitposters?
>>957133
>Why are Australians always such shitposters?
It's because there's no refugees on the internet so we take out our rage and frustrations on anonymous posters instead.
We're cunts irl as well, so your question is misdirected. As for why...ask /trv/, they have a good idea.
>>957072
>Carbon fiber is repairable
I heard about this too. Apparently there are some repair kits (much like the ones for tubes). My question would be, don't you need to bake the carbon/epoxy out for it to work properly? How would you do it at home or a LBS?
