trams, buses or metro
lets make it a bit more interesting, from now on you have to guess the city
>>886424
London, I'm a genius
![Mettis_ligne_B[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/g5TfY1c.jpg "Mettis_ligne_B[1].jpg")
>>886424
Welcome to 268
Where impossible things can happen
>>886683
I know a hot bish that rides the 268. Long red hair. Annoying as hell after you get to know her.
Recently got our 2nd and 3rd light rail lines in Houston.
>>886687
268 makes me anxious as fuck, I always feel like someone is staring at me
>>886720
That's because they are.
It's full of worst scum and creeps. It's not surprising the line is constantly in the news for incidents.
>>886424
ay good looking
>>886690
Wishing we had more than 1 in Austin.
>>886807
>Considered one of the most liberal cities in Texas
>Voters reject all public transit propsals
>>886681
Hong Kong?
I've never seen that livery before but the only non British left hand drive place using Alexander Dennis buses is probably HK.
>>886782
Paper destination blinds > LED destinations screens
Montréal
>>886852
It seems like the oil / car industry is pretty strong here in Texas. Tesla isn't allowed to sell their cars here either.
Dallas light rail here. It runs 4 lines and is the longest (in terms of total length) light rail system in the US.
>>886995
DART is nice. It's just unfortunate that planning practices in Dallas are so poor considering how much potential for TOD there is in Dallas.
>>886756
>ZG5876DV
Zagreb. I don't know the answers to your other questions, nor do I know why there are so many Zagrebskis in this thread.
Taking you places you don't want to go at prices you don't want to pay.
Spanish crap
The ride quality is worse than the older German trams and the aircon isn't as cold. Still an improvement on the borrowed Spanish trams I guess which had even worse quality ride and aircons that decided to break half of the time
Oh and the seats aren't as well padded
>>886859
Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
Milano, Metro 5
>>887067
Look on the bright said, at least they're not Italian.
>>887066
fuck pacers.
>>886756
Zagreb main train station to Velika Gorica (a town 15-20 km away). I guess it's a typical commuter line, don't ride it myself.
>>886690
Run into any cars yet?
>>886807
That's a railbus.
>>886995
I am still surprised dallas even got a light rail system
Loud,older trainsets are absolutely filthy but the AC works.
>>887317
>older trainsets are absolutely filthy
Is there anything in L.A. that isn't absolutely filthy all of the time?
![Tandy_Center_Subway_1[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/rXrq8Rw.jpg "Tandy_Center_Subway_1[1].jpg")
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tandy_Center_Subway
>>887066
Newcastle?
I like Dennis Darts, especially in winter. Luckily I live in London so I've never even seen a pacer let alone had to use one.
We got this
>>887413
damn that's actually pretty cool
>>887304
Not realy. Railbuses are single, non-articulated vehicles by the usual definition. This one though is articulated twice. So it's a smallish DMU.
KL monorail, Malaysia
Malaysia's BRT
>>887489
>brt
>tiny bus with one single door
>>887519
hurr
https://www.itdp.org/library/standards-and-guides/the-bus-rapid-transit-standard/what-is-brt/
None of the criteria specifically mention long, articulated bus.
>>887481
>So it's a smallish DMU.
Indeed. To be specific, it's a Stadler GTW 2/6. The mid-size company is doing fairly well over the last years. Rolling stock orders from all over Europe and some single countries outside.
Short, with expansion plans. City's run it like shit and all the no train fucks are whining about funds for expansions, even though the FTA would pick up half of it.
That's if the FTA even gives out money for it.
>>887873
Only goes in a cross, everyone complains that it doesn't go anywhere, and then act like it's crazy to ask for money to expand it.
>>887878
Getting some articulated buses soon, and a bus audit is underway. May get some high-frequency / BRT plans in the not so distant future.
>>887873
wait--there's a Wok-N-Roll on Auburn now? what's the cross street? that's the Grady Curve overpass back there?
anyway, the ATL trolley is a retarded vanity project designed to impress and shuttle tourists from the King Center to the equally retarded ferris wheel and do absolutely nothing for anyone who actually lives here. as a bonus, they built it next to one of our few bike lanes, so riders routinely get wheels trapped in the rail gutter thing and thrown. fuck you, trolley. build the shit on the fucking beltline so the people who actually live here can use it, losers.
>>887878
a lot of our stations are really pretty. all that old facade stuff in Five Points is awesome, you've gotta kinda look for it, a lot is hidden up in the rafters, though. P'tree Center has all that exposed rock and the "space station" looking escalators.
but yeah, the routes are eternally fucked. all federal transport money goes thru the state for allocation and they're Baptist rednecks who think Atlanta is Gomorrah. They spend it all on roads and fuck Atlanta and communist transport.
>>887887
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Wok+N+Roll/@33.7555117,-84.3807566,18z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x88f5038a313fe561:0x6b6ecb1ce50438f9
I aint got much shit against the streetcar plan, in fact, I want it all built. That includes (especially) the Beltline LRT. The thing is, one works with the other. The inner-core lines feed the Beltline, and the Beltline feed the inner-core.
You're not wrong that the current line is just a tourist line, but that's how it got funded in the first place. The FTA approved it 'cause it connected to existing transit, offered new transit in an under-developed area, and linked to a national historic site. It would have needed to get built at somepoint, and it made since as the first step. With expansions, it'll do better.
That is, if the city can get its head out of its own ass long enough to get it done. Seriously, MARTA just needs to take it all over, and let the city fund it like Portland does with their streetcars.
>>887887
The state just pisses me off to no end when it comes to transit in the region. The least they could do if they're not going to give MARTA funding, is to at least get out of the way with their bull shit. But no, those 'small-government' assholes gotta shit all over the wishes of the people actually paying for the service while building nothing but roads.
>>887895
DoT should threaten to cut off Georgia from federal highway maintenance grants until they decide to support MARTA. Surprised Obama hasn't at least thought about that yet, especially since Atlanta has such a large impoverished black population who always claim the state is raysis for not expanding the metro system.
>>887903
>Wok+N+Roll
man, I must've passed it a hundred times. cool.
thanks for the info on the whole "tourist line" thing. potentially a good thing but as you say, they're bound to fuck it up, somehow.
>The least they could do if they're not going to give MARTA funding, is to at least get out of the way with their bull shit.
and >>887906
agree. totally agree.
what they oughta do is let us Atla/n/ta /n/erds run it.
>>887915
At least you faggots have rapid transit, let alone a subway system (altough miniscule).
I live in a metro area with around 2M in population and not a single fucking bit of rapid transit. Just maybe 10 bus lines with 1 hour headways.
Fuck my life.
>>887347
South Shields, I did cheat with the Pacer as the nearest mainline station is a good few miles away but I won't tell if you don't.
Dennis Darts are alright, nothing to complain about really.
>>887906
Cobb County didn't want MARTA because it would bring in Coloreds but they use the stations. Check out the Cobb plates on the plates.
My way of travelling only makes use of renewable resources.
Except the tape...
>>886862
Urban trams and tram-trains here were equipped with LED displays last year. Looks shit, but apparently the existing paper indicator system could only hold 80 destinations and these were used up.
Also they plan on reorganizing multiple lines at the end of this year and would have to print all indicators new for that.
>>889182
Why don't they use normal screens to display it rather than the led dot matrix? Surely a good quality screen with a black background and white number would be far better and easier to see?
>>889250
Reliability concerns (if something dies in an LCD panel, you often lose a whole segment of the display). That and brightness, although arguably you could use a transflective LCD
Beyond that, it's just money. There are high resolution full colour LED displays for signage use available
>>888799
You environmentally considerate bastard! D:
It's a shit system, but it's MY local shit system ok?
>>889908
At least they've got ambitious plans. Better than NYC which is trapped in the 50s.
>>889908
>Filet-o-fish 1.29
Holy hell DO WANT
Guess my city
>>890015
I would say Bielefeld, but Bielefeld is just a huge lie.
>>890015
Wow the Bielefeld system looks really clean. Why the bulge in the cars though?
>>890034
Because Stadbahn calls for 2.65 m wide cars but platform widths are for older 2.3 m standard (can be treated as 2.4 m, if the older typical 10 cm tolerance is tightened to 5).
I don't get it either.
Has been proposed for Helsinki too, for the still-on-paper regional trams ("Jokeri" line).
>>890123
>Because Stadbahn calls for 2.65 m wide cars but platform widths are for older 2.3 m standard (can be treated as 2.4 m, if the older typical 10 cm tolerance is tightened to 5).
Is this set by regulation or is it just based off the standard used on other systems?
SHOWTIME SHOWTIME
>>886690
How are they? Other than u of h they look like they go nowhere anybody would want to go. Maybe they're thinking ahead and those areas develop in the next 10-20 years?
>>890223
haven't seen those idiots in a while, did they all get arrested?
>>890131
Well you are the German here, I don't know if it's just a pure guideline or a binding regulation of varying strenght.
2650 mm is an EU limit for rail vehicles that can be simultaneously regarded as road vehicles as well. I don't know how street running trains are treated in places where it happens regularly; just wider lanes?
2650 mm seems like a German thing, adopted as EU wide standard from there. Can some German guy give enlightened guesses on which was the seminal reason that dictated this limit?
Was it:
- Adopted from the wides cars in street use at the time? (If so, where?)
- Calculated as the widest allowable and Stadbahns swell into that width after the fact?
- Calculated as the widest allowable, some systems actually had to adopt narrower rolling stock. (Old units naturally enjoying some sort of grandfather clause.)
As far as I know, most systems had adopted width of about 2300mm after the war, some were 2500mm. I don't know where this 2650mm thing started.
>>890299
The first mention of the 2.65 m width I was able to find was in the BoStrab (Law for operation of tramways) of 1965
§29 states that vehicles in street traffic may not exceed a width of 2.65 m (to be more exact it specifies a profile of 2.65 m width up to a height of 3.40 m above rail and 2.25 m above that)
http://www.meyer-strassenbahn.de/bostrab/bostrab1965.html
The exact wording is still valid today and exists as §34 in the current version of the law.
The previous version from 1959 already prepares for this and states in §8 that new lines shall be built with 3 meters inbetween tracks to accommodate a future large profile with 2,60 m car witdh.
http://www.meyer-strassenbahn.de/bostrab/bostrab1959.html
Looking back in history, the earliest 2,65 m wide cars operating under tram law were the large profile trains of Berlin's subway (which also operates under these laws, despite not running in street traffic). So Stadtbahn networks built after the 1960s were able to use the same width as 1920s subways, but also streetrunning.
Actual subways built after that (München/Nürnberg) use 3 meter wide cars on the other hand.
t. tram law pro
>>890349
Which would you think is more common, 2.8 or 3.0?
Though I'd say 2.8 is the most common, thanks to all the soviet systems built to that standard alone.
When Helsinki metro was built, only Oslo and Istanbul had equally wide cars of 3.2 m. A true genius move, given the high population of Helsinki at the time and hopeless aspirations to sell the said metro cars abroad, which wasn't going to happen in the protectionistic atmosphere of the time, couldn't happen even today. Even with free trade in EEC, the countries still are very jealous about their domestic heavy industries.
>>890356
Oh God you're reminding me of the unreliable Translohr system some tramway lines in France use just because Lohr was a French company.
At least protectionism isn't nearly as bad as in the US most of the time. Seriously, the Buy America bullshit makes it nearly impossible to buy rolling stock without paying a premium so some bloke in the Rust Belt can get a job for a few months.
>>886995
>Dart
How much did that cost again?
With how many riders?
Why do cities continue to push trains, which were outdated for public transport by 1920, if not earlier?
If a city really wants public transit, then buses are the way to go.
>>890490
I realize /n/ is s low board and people will probably reply to your shitty bait but apply yourself you faggot.
>>890490
>trains, which were outdated for public transport by 1920
>yfw you don't have the robo train
Direct from the airport to one of the main downtown stations.
>>890031
>>890034
Correct :^)
The new cars have that bulge because they're designed to have as many room for standing passangers as possible. They mostly serve line 4 during peak hours, which is the university line and gets a shitton of people around.
It is also used on line 2, A.K.A. ghetto line, which isn't as crowded, but also not as clean.
You only get the real Bielefeld experience on line 1 which only uses older cars, and which runs through Bethel (read: nutjob capital). In case you don't know, many mental health and disabled care facilities are located there.
Line 3 is completely rekt as of now and not worth talking about.
Oh right, and then there's number 9, the "rage-tram".
Lovely.
>>890639
Splendid.
>>890640
Great.
>>890618
It looks like its going to rob me.
>>890641
Cheriched
>>890643
Astonishing.
>>890644
Beautiful.
>>890645
Number 9.
>>890639
I don't get it. Are you referring to a specific line that gets lots of students on it or something?
>>890660
>students
Could be, but it's from railway station to harbor to ferries to a place where liquor costs about 50% of the local prices. (It also goes to some boring concrete ghetto full of office buildings if the parked cars allow.)
All of mine here
>>890971
Based Hannover
Ugly tbh
>>890991
Are you referring to the train or the subway itself? Because I agree on both counts.
>>890993
Train, is ok, except some stations
>>890994
>subway is ok*
my keyboard is fucked up recently
>>890996
>>890996
How did they manage to crash three different trams into eachother?
>>891004
No, it's two trains. The one on the right just has another wagon attached.
>>891006
Passive trailer, really?
Aren't they two units in doublet?
Ah forget, of course it is another powercar.
Word 'wagon' just threw me off.
y.t. >>891078
Have a go if you think you're hard enough m8
>>891133
alternatively, use google image search
>>886420
Vienna
Siemens-ULF
>>891379
I hear they're especially unreliable. Is that true?
>>891379
Vienna
new Mercedes Bus ^^
>>891380
>I hear they're especially unreliable. Is that true?
no. they just had some problems with the very first models at the beginning.
they got improved and now its all fine.
they are just made vor viennas needs - they drive only in one direction - thats why no other city buys them...
very special thing about the siemens-ulf are the so called Portals.
The wheels are not under the train and you have a flat surface inside
in these portals you have the wheels+motors
>>891386
>that whole set-up
How the hell do they take out the wheels for maintenance?
>>891382
Vienna
older Bus
>>891388
idk exactly but i am sure there is a way..
guess you lift the whole train.
lifting it is no big deal. they get lifted all the time when they are in repairs.
http://paulbigland.zenfolio.com/p204649795/h6A6D316#h1eeac95b
the new trams will still be from another type..
Vienna (next gen): Bombardier Flexy
i like the concept of the Siemens ULF more...
Vienna: U4 & U6
the silver ones are the very first we had.
i love them. they are classy.
we call them "silberpfeil" engl "silver arrows"
>>891399
btw the U-Trains are Subways
<<< the newest type we have i think
Vienna: Schnellbahn
old model
they drive in the city and outside the city aswell
mostly not underground
>>891406
<<< pic
>>891409
Vienna: Schnellbahn aswell
2 floors, very comfortable
feels like flying/hovering
>>891406
>>891409
new Schnellbahn
>>886852
Houston only had 1 for the longest time, and that city is fucking huge. Recently it got 2 more.
For the record, I voted for the last one, because we just need anything at this point, but the truth is the plan was kind of wonky and expensive (particularly in that it involved blasting through solid limestone to build a tunnel through an urban high-traffic area), so people couldn't really get behind it. Also, it's hard for the government to even get the land needed, especially when voters are unwilling to vote for anything that will raise taxes.
I think it would be nice if we could get the money from other sources, like private industry, or some national infrastructure program. How did other countries pay for this shit?
>>891432
Does Houston seriously run diesel DMUs at-grade? What the hell was the budget for that? 5 pesos?
>>891457
>Austin_Metrorail.jpg
>>891432
noice colors
>>891432
>How did other countries pay for this shit?
the same way the freeways are built, with federal money
California figured this out the hard way a decade ago. As the feds stop funding freeway maintenance, California is left to rebuild all their freeways at an immerse cost. They never ever will be able to, so they're investing in rail now and are looking at tolling freeways and ripping the rest out.
>>891413
You have two floor S-Bahnen?
This tickles my autism in a very good way
>>891486
Yup. Some of them are.
Much of them where build for the UEFA Euro 2008
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nahverkehrs-Doppelstockwagen_der_%C3%96BB
>>891486
some of our trains make musik with their motors when they accelerate out of the station
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEjaPYjjjtM
>Designed by ÖBB-Werbecenter
What cuckoldry is this?
>>891502
>Werbecenter
Advertising
>>891432
>How did other countries pay for this shit?
By not having a populace that isn't absolutely terrified of tiny taxes which could be used to help make major improvements in social welfare and transportation.
>I think it would be nice if we could get the money from other sources, like private industry
Why would the private sector want anything to do with mass transit in Austin? Hell I don't think it would be profitable even in NYC.
>>887487
Should've build a tram tbh. I've rode those monorails during my brief time in Malaysia and they're short, small and packed with people especially around 4pm or so.
Heard that Malaysia is in the midst of rather large scale metro expansion there, what's the status?
>>891504
Ich weiß. Das Problem ist 'designed by', Dummkopf,
>>891574
>it still doesn't get an automatic green light
should have just made a dedicated bus lane and stuck something like the LINK routes on it if they aren't going to change the lights
>>891386
Now that's bullshit.
Some romanian city (Oradea?) bought some, god knows why, because there is too little advantage of lower floor over this humongous shit of a bogie. 18 centimeters of floor level isn't worth it, when you can have 24 on fixed bogies.
>>891379
goddammit vienna is fucking god tier.
>>891386
oh wow that explains why the articulations in those trams get so tight, it drew my attention when I was in Vienna. I guess it's a good setup to tackle your tram systems peculiarities.
Ironic that first gen systems are now the ones having more issues getting modern rolling stock,since you have to adapt it to the existing specs, while second gen systems are just built to low-floor specs from the beginning.
pic related
>muh fixed bogies cheap-o lowfloor trams
still , they do a fine job
>>891729
forgot pic
>>891486
actually it is more like a normal railway; because these Trains don't stop at every station. But they use the main route of the S-Bahnen.
Yes, i am from vienna;
>>891725
and still we get annoyed that we don't have more public transport and smaller run times even some lines run every 3 min.
>>891395
Because they got more capacity and less costs per unit. But they are ugly.
>>891416
Soon there will be a new new Schnellbahn because those not well designed. They are more for middle long routes and not for the City designed.
>>886420
Croatiabro <3
Here is the most Common Bus in my Town, Split Croatia
>>891744
What an aptly named bus
>>891382
tonight i made a little trip in one of the new mercedes buses.
i am really impressed. they are very silent. no vibrations inside. very comfortable.
much better as the older ones
only thing the lights inside are way to bright
you feel like in a solarium
outside it was dark.
saw nothing when i looked out the window.
but i am sure those are dimmable led's so no big problem i think.
>>891701
>Now that's bullshit.
what is bs?
>Some romanian city (Oradea?) bought some,
i knew this, but they are still designed vor vienna
>god knows why, because there is too little advantage of lower floor over this humongous shit of a bogie. 18 centimeters of floor level isn't worth it, when you can have 24 on fixed bogies.
low floor are good for: old people, people in wheelchairs, mothers with baby strollers, people with shopping buggys, cyclists, rollerbladers.....
>>891737
>But they are ugly
i dont think so. + they would fit perfectily to the new mercedes busses
but i dont like them because they dont have "ulf-portals"
i hate they way they mount the seats in all the usual low floor trams...
God-tier
>>891133
Metro de Madrid, it takes you from the city center to fucking nowhere
>>891889
>Bus in Huittinen
Well shit, that's like 20 km from where I'm originally from. (Kauvatsa.)
Is it time to start exchanging masonic handshakes or something?
Detroit People Mover: a 2.9 mile monorail loop in Downtown Detroit
>>892059
>Satakunta
Ewww
>>891999
https://www.google.ca/maps/@43.7938763,-79.5266945,652m/data=!3m1!1e3
That's where the new subway extension in Toronto will stop. Looks like we're not the only ones that like to build subways to nowhere.
>>892087
yay
>>891999
Metro de Madrid is the fucking worst thing ever. Shitload of lines and stations, but transfers are ridiculously far, trains stop at every station making it slow as balls, and infrequent as fuck. To top it all off trains are tiny. For all those gazillions spent on subways they could have built a shitload of tram lines, and a few well-placed subway lines with fewer stops to make them faster. It makes sense that everyone just goes by car seeing how shitty Metro service is. Only dumbass spaniards would actually think that's good public transit, having shitload of subway lines that get you nowhere at a snail's pace.
>>892087
The most useless light rail system on earth
>>892263
It's so goddamn hilarious
>>892123
Since the only way to even theoretically recoup the costs of building a subway is through associated development, building subways to nowhere is the way to go.
Doesn't stop clueless public sector organizations from doing the metro to nowhere and not following up with development. You have to be a private developer building the metro and the development together to get reliable results.
>>892108
>ewww
How so?
>>892123
Don't worry, they'll build a bunch of ugly condos around it that will only further congest the line.
>>892087
damn
just searched for it.
>drives only in one direction
>in a small circle
WTF people?
>>892320
Until I clicked your quote, I thought you were talking about chicago
>>892123
I truly hate this city sometimes.
DLR. One of my favourite ways of getting around parts of this city.
>>890238
>Other than u of h they look like they go nowhere anybody would want to go. Maybe they're thinking ahead and those areas develop in the next 10-20 years?
Well when it comes to the downtown area, they both pass through some heavily trafficked areas (stadiums, convention center, parks, theater area). Those areas are rapidly growing and thus public parking is becoming less available, so taking a train (light rail) might be a better option real soon.
It's also suspected that the purple line (which serves the TSU and UH main) may be expanded to the Hobby airport in the future, but that could be 10+ years away.
>>892445
Actually now that I went back and thought about it, this map is a more realistic route. This way passes through major shopping centers, schools, parks, and high population areas. The previous route passes through alot of industrial areas.
>>892492
Nah. It was one of Coleman Young's flights of fancy.
![Photo%20by%20wu,%20Rynek%20Kolejowy[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Dpm3a10.jpg "Photo%20by%20wu,%20Rynek%20Kolejowy[1].jpg")
>>891999
>>892123
Budapest's new M4 subway also ends in some wasteland on the edge of the city.
Guess that kinda gives weight to this guy's comment >>892289 and it makes sense too; building transit lines to serve today's population centres while not extending them to areas which will be developed over the coming decades seems pretty short-sighted.
>>892536
>building transit lines to serve today's population centres while not extending them to areas which will be developed over the coming decades seems pretty short-sighted.
Not like you can extend them when the need arises, right?
Why not just build the subway for 2115 today?
Boston
>>892539
Of course you can but why not just do it all in one go while there are no NIMBYs objecting to new stations in their back yards or higher taxes; or while you can put infrastructure where you want it because nothing's blocking it; or simply in order to futureproof areas which you know are going to be developed in coming years.
The attitude you've put forward here is what fucks cities up in the long run.
>population is only X now, suburb Y is just on the city fringe / lacks population density / whatever
>forecasts predict 2X population in Z years but no let's just deal with that when it comes
Auckland is regretting this kind of thinking now. Train network capacity is currently capped at 15,000 people per hour coming into the CBD. Central govt won't release funds for a rail loop link which will double that until rail patronage hits 20 mil trips per year, but before that happens the trains will be working at capacity (with excessive demand for train services) for years while it's being built.
>>892539
>Not like you can extend them when the need arises, right?
Yeah, they can just bore a tunnel when the land is expensive and populated instead of just digging a trench when the land is nice and cheap.
Long term planing has its uses.
>>891744
Like almost everyhwere in yurop. MB, MAN, Solaris, VDL or Van Hool. Or some silly mashups with fittings from local companies.
>>892536
I wouldnt say its on the edge... And its terminal point is at one of the busiest train station of Hungary. (Kelenföld)
>>892523
>>892492
>>892320
>>892268
>>892263
(supposedly) it was originally intended to be the base model of a metro system for the region. If you look at the map, downtown Detroit is the center of a spoked wheel, with Michigan Ave. going west, Grand River going NW, Woodward going North(ish) and Gratiot going NE. While the people mover was going to move people around downtown, there were going to be lines going along those spokes outwards into the suburbs.
But federal funding for cities and things like that quickly dropped off during the Reagan years and Detroit suffered hard.
Today they are building a 3.3 mile light rail track along Woodward (the main street of Detroit), going from Downtown to about the center of the city. People wonder why this isn't going all the way to the suburbs--at least to 8 Mile--and many say it's simply another project destined to fail: a People Mover 2.0.
However, the People Mover is good at what it's used for. It's convenient to go to hockey games and it's much better than walking during the winter.
fug I forgot the map>>893701
also, I wanted to note that it can be read that Detroit's suffering is due to a lack of federal funding during the Regan era and that is not the case. I just meant Detroit was declining up to, during, and after that era.
>>893702
I've always found the People Mover interesting just because it's one of the few implementations of the UTCD LIM tech.
>>887934
i feel u
here the buses try to convince you to stay in shit town
>3rd best in buisness
>2nd best place to live for 20 year olds
fucking 20 year olds
>>886918
>underground busses
fucking french people
These are about as good as local buses get - high-backed, padded leather seats, subdued lighting, stylish decor inside and out, free wi-fi
>>894553
You don't have to force high density. There is a tremendous amount of regulation and red tape in place to *prevent* high density.
You do have to force low density, as people will sensibly want to build upwards and tighter when land values go up. Incidentally, this is also why there's such a thing as a housing shortage as well as unaffordable housing.
>>892569
Green line: Hot as Hitler's ovens, with the decor to show for it, too.
We yorkshire now
>>895307
That's a pretty accurate description of the line. Seriously, why does the MBTA not spruce up the stations a bit? Are they really that broke?
Wrocław. Poland
still Wrocław
there are 8,6 meter, 12 meter and 18 meter variants
now going for trams
skoda 16t & 19t. the 19t model is bidirectional and has A/C
aaaand that's pretty much it
>>895402
What are the dimensions of the meters?
>>895444
At least four cities in Poland paint their rolling stock in slightly different variations of yellow & red. Warsaw, Wrocław and Łódź use them because those colours are in their coat of arms. Wałbrzych also uses this colour scheme since 2012, dunno why cause originally it was yellow and green with a red stripe in the middle
>>895451
weird, i always remembered wroclaw as using white and blue when did they change?
The abandoned station house in this picture is getting refurbished now.
I present to you, possibly the ugliest trams on Earth.
Bay Area reporting.
>>886429
looks like a bus that's pretending to be a tram
>>895810
damn the windscreen looks like lego
>>886420
Velikiy Novgorod
>>887343
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tandy_Center_Subway
look like a toy ^_^
>>895810
I think the Japanese beat you guys.
>>895971
Their trams are tiny.
Posting this picture with all modes of public transport in Helsinki (excluding the Suomenlinna ferry).
>>896222
>on-demand bus
so that's how you call it
>>895971
holy shit this is sexy, more please
>>896240
Bad tongues say that it runs on heavy deficit, though.
>>896265
aww
>>892475
Some news out of Houston: we are getting a major new university (UT Houston) which is likely going to lead to an expansion of the light rail (red line). Pic related.
>>895841
It might be a BRT.
>>896222
WTF is a trunk bus?
>>896279
I assume he's referring to low headway, high frequency bus lines that traverse the major arteries of the city.
>>886690
I find it really weird that anything with rails that carries people is even allowed in the state of texas
Seems like there would be shrieking about how it's not the USSR, and a bunch of fat people would stand around protesting by brandishing guns and yelling don't tread on me
>>896345
god that thing is fucking ugly
>>896441
I think these buses are really sexy desu. The new flyer XN60s are even sexier.
>>896345
Ah yes Socal driving, eager to turn not caring about people crossing.
Also didn't we get the idea for these buses from the hue's?
>>896588
Thats actually a 3 way intersection, the buses make left turns there, and unless there's a green left turn arrow, the bus stops there until people pass.
In Los Angeles, these type of buses were first used on a dedicated busway system in San Fernando Valley: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_Line_(Los_Angeles_Metro)
Shortly afterwards, they began using the same buses for regular bus lines, and now lots of bus services use them.
>>896332
It is mostly a handful of politicians who fight tooth and nail against rail. They're probably backed by the oil and car industries.
>>886420
Jebeni zet
Our buses are good, I like our buses. They're noisy though.
>ywn have silent trolleybuses running through your city
why live
>>886683
DRAGO JESI TO TI ??
LEGENDARY
BRAINTREE TRAIN! THIS IS A BRAINTREE TRAIN
>>896904
>They're noisy though.
Call me an autist but when I'm taking a bus and this heap of metal on wheels arrives, I sit all the way in the back, put my headphones away, and listen to the sound of the engine, door opening/closing, and stop name announcements. It's like music to my ears.
Newer, low-floor buses do sound pretty nice too, but I'm a nostalgiafag and like older vehicles more.
>>897136
>Black driver
That is odd, not sure if I would get on it
But can you make a breakfast in your tram?
>>897243
Of iron your clothes?
>>892569
I always liked how rustic the older stations looked. made the city feel old, you know? I miss Boston sometimes.
>>897157
>Call me an autist
you're an autist.
I hate the noise of internal combustion engines.
Trolleybuses are based af
Here's a new one
>>897629
>>892569
Gibe back A-brach.
Porto,Portugal
Last month the city's mayor wrote a newspaper peace saying the city's metro should be expanded with the new EU funds for the next 4 years. It's not included in neither the govermnent's plan for the next 5 years so I wouldn't count on it.
STCP (public bus carries) and Metro do Porto (metro) were going to be concessioned to a spanish consortium but as the socialists will the new government this deal wont go ahead as it was one of the main points between the communist party and the socialist's so that PS could have their support in parliament.
Trams: the city will begin a new public renewal plan for Foz's maritime front in Foz which will include the extension of the Tram line from Passeio Alegre to Castelo do Queijo making the city's maritime front reachable by tram.
Tommorrow I'll talk about Lisbon where I currently live.
>>899144
kek, you guys got legit gommies in power in Portugal?
>>899160
>European leftists parties
>not being hollowed out shells of their former selves
The name doesn't mean shit anymore.
>>899144
>Passeio Alegre
>Castelo do Queijo
I don't know what these are but they sound delicious
>>899160
No.They got 8,5% in the last elections. They are pretty orthodox but they've reformed: for example they support mixed economy, democracy and other things.
Things is that our in our last electios the right coalition only got 38% so they didnt manage to pass through parliament. Now the socialist 32% are preparing a government of their own while being support by the communist (8,5%) and a liberal left party (11,5%).
Gommies and leftists wont go to power but they'll support the socialists government.
>>899213
>Passeio Alegre
Happy promenade
>Castelo do Queijo
Cheese Castle. The fort's name is São Francisco Xavier do Queijo but most people use castelo do queijo. The reason for the cheese part is that the rock on which the fort is build is said to look like a swiss cheese.
Btw lad's got myself a map of Porto's tram lines
>>899219
The old cars are total dog shit. They are so poorly designed it's not even funny.
>>899377
Yeah I didn't mean gommies as in social democrats or anything, I meant commies as in hammer and sickle, duck marching, and public ownership of farms and factories type commies.
>>899396
Yeah but it is nice to know that is beginning a massive modernization program. Just too bad other big commuter agencies aren't doing the same. Metra desperately needs to join the rest of the world in the 21st century and electrify already.
>>899432
>Metra desperately needs to join the rest of the world in the 21st century and electrify already.
Do you think the electric division uses magic to power their trains?
>>899440
The electric branch is just a small line when you compare it to it's entire system. The BNSF is the most ridden line with UP west following close behind. Besides, the metra electric trains feel fucking ancient and the electric district will probably get gobbled up by the CTA and turned into the gold line in the future.
>>899442
>Besides, the metra electric trains feel fucking ancient
They're modern EMUs you twit.
>>899432
>Yeah I didn't mean gommies as in social democrats or anything, I meant commies as in hammer and sickle, duck marching, and public ownership of farms and factories type commies.
that's our type. They control the biggest union in the country, hammer and sicle, the internationale, summer festival with tents from brother parties across the globe (even north korea).
Duck marching, collectivisation and full state planned economy aren't their thing but they still demand to nationalize some companies.
