Why do people that rag on EDM and dubstep always claim their music is better and then never offer any substantial examples
I literally have yet to see an example where someone shows me classic and minimalist electronic music that is more interesting or enjoyable than its equivalent in a song by someone like Skrillex
It isn't better because it's more underwhelming
that's because you're yet to experience the second best meme behind EDM and Skrillex
go check out the new introductory lectures on the system of transcendental qabala
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wr2o8qqc-1Y
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jSQa3M1rbPw
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PQfKFwa-jEY
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5UmIBBCx0qE
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oS-eh6GM9AY
wow that was hard
yeehaw
>>66455799
>omen
good post
>>66455799
All of that is remarkably middle of the road. I listened to all of those songs and I can't remember a single thing about them.
Again, being underwhelming doesn't make it good. You just have fun vapid music with the fun part taken out.
>>66456054
middle of the road is still better than edm and skrillex though
>>66456125
You're so dumb you're not even worth the mental real estate it takes to formulate an argument.
If you have a rebuttal I'm happy to hear it but otherwise go be an insufferable neckbeard somewhere else.
>>66456054
Everything I've heard by Skrillex was basically a simple pop composition, so I'm not sure what "middle of the road" means if that's not it
>>66456162
you're the one making unsubstantiated claims here m8, you're the one who should have to back his shit up
>>66456183
It's formulaic but it isn't forgettable, the production is remarkable.
Again, the resounding point is that it isn't automatically better because it isn't bright and obnoxious. You just have "simple pop" compositions with the only redeeming thing about it nullified.
>>66456205
The music is remarkably uninteresting. It has no direction, it has no flow, it doesn't accomplish anything, it doesn't exert any kind of feeling, it doesn't get across any kind of message. The only thing I can say about it is "it's music"
If you disagree I'd be happy to hear why you think dry and cavernous music like this is more interesting than sugary EDM.
>>66456336
>If you disagree I'd be happy to hear why you think dry and cavernous music like this is more interesting than sugary EDM.
because your outdated structuralist way of assessing music is incredibly unsuited to electronic music
>>66456336
>techstep production isn't remarkable
>>66456054
my thoughts on this:
skrillex and friends is enjoyable for like 7 minutes, there is a reason people binge-listen tpop song they like then get tired of it for a month. it's built to be immediately satisfying (usually the focus is always the chorus), which is fine, i enjoy edm every once in a while or when i need to exercise, but instant pleasure in music always seems to be mutually exclusive to lasting appeal. maybe it's because it is too much energy spent listening to a single song or the repetitiveness of the focus parts that gets to me, but pop music always seems to immediately grab my interest because it is catchy, but once i figure how much it is lacking in details and everything else, i get bored by it.
electronic dance music was not developed as it is now 2 decades ago, which is maybe why it did not resemble pop music or focus on its characteristics, even if it was the artist's intention. what we are left with is semi catchy music with occasionally really cool ideas and a lack of 'in your face explosive production' that tires people out, which is present in pop music. present day edm is more evolved, but seemingly sacrifices lasting appeal to be more attention-grabbing and loud.
>>66456367
>outdated
What is outdated about what I said?
>structuralist
The point is that it isn't inherently better or worse because it occupies a different genre.
Saying something doesn't make it true.
What are your cohesive point supposed to be, that you can't compare them because they try to accomplish different things?
You can make a movie that's 3 hours of paint drying and say "No this is what it's supposed to do", that doesn't make it good.
>>66456468
Well said anon
>>66456511
okay so you have no idea what structuralist listening entails and instead you're resorting to tired strawman argumentation. how about you explain why skrillex is good despite being tacky and obnoxious lowest common denominator targeted tripe that manages to sound dated 3 weeks after its release?
I like dark, minimal DnB because I'm an active listener and I like figuring out how it was produced by ear. Techstep especially is full of new, experimental sounds (at the time, and they are very difficult to reproduce in software), which is what makes them timeless.
Skrillex is far more transparent. He also hurts my ears.
>>66456468
The garbage you listen to is vapid trash, though. Prove to me you're not just another ape nigger trying to look cultured by avoiding pop
>>66456618
I also just tend to like anything at that tempo. I compromise by keeping up with neurofunk, which for the most part hasn't yet been taken over by sample abusers and cookie-cutter producers (looking at you, L 33, though Karate is still a banger).
>>66456468
>but once i figure how much it is lacking in details and everything else
I agree but I'm gonna beg to differ by saying that some dubstep/EDM is remarkably detailed. I listen to it on a regular basis because I just like the production.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxcrf8nXq2Y
>but seemingly sacrifices lasting appeal to be more attention-grabbing and loud.
I agree with that in premise but I just have yet to hear this "superior cool underground classic dubstep" that everyone tells me about. It's remarkably uninteresting.
I love IDM and Boards of Canada is my favourite band, for the record. I just admit that it isn't automatically better because it isn't bright and obnoxious. Whatever logic is supposed to be behind that.
>>66456618
>unironically thinking minimalism makes something automatically better
No wonder an autist like you can't wrap his head around Skrillex
>>66456645
oh heck you really got me there nice argument haha
also did you even read my post i said i like pop music on certain doses
>>66456708
I didn't say that at all.
>>66456687
>it isn't automatically better because it isn't [...] obnoxious
uh, yes it is
obnoxious is a negative characteristic
Popular EDM sucks, and so does a lot of the local/usa acts. But there's great EDM out there it's just burried in soundcloud where it's hard to find.
>>66455310
psytrance is the best meme genre
>>66456687
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxcrf8nXq2Y
this is electro house my friend (not that i blame anyone for getting that wrong since brostep fucked every genre tag related to dubstep, plus its not that important in the first place)
anyway the reason i mentioned that is because house music has a lot more history than dubstep or other breakbeat derived genres so it is no surprised that it has matured more than most other edm genres
>>66456849
https://soundcloud.com/hespelies/love-you
Here's a track that's not so bad for example
>>66456583
>okay so you have no idea what structuralist listening entails
I don't, no. I thought you were talking about how I'm criticizing music.
What am I missing about "structuralist listening"?
>strawman argumentation
I had to infer what your point was supposed to be because it was so loose and ambiguous.
Was it not true?
>skrillex is good
Both the production and composition are remarkable. It's very detailed and the way the music bounces around makes me never really get bored of it because it's unpredictable and it's almost like a new song every time. It's just good on a technical level.
It displays a certain level of self awareness, it is loud and in your face but the music doesn't try to sound hard or edgy. It grooves hard as fuck but it's mostly just about sounding cool.
It just sounds like it's in its own world. I like music that sounds like a self-aware entity.
And it just grooves hard as fuck.
If people are "lowest common denominator" because they like music that's generic and doesn't venture to accomplish anything else then I fail to see how that doesn't apply to people that like traditional dubstep that's dry as fuck and sounds incredibly nondescript.
He makes EDM but he makes other music too. If you haven't already just listen to this, he's just a really talented producer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-e_3Cg9GZFU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btDPtzCGNTE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpEOErRV-u4
>>66456936
i think skrillex is a great producer too
>>66456970
Skrillex is so played out it hurts. His label isn't terrible though.
I like to go out and ask people "Is this skrillex?" it's great everytime.
>>66456991
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9f8bD9pHjE
this is what i like :^)
here u gohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yYSTf0qNIM
zomby>skrillex
*Airhorn*
>>66456970
https://soundcloud.com/wiwek/wiwek-skrillex-ft-elliphant-killa
The first half of this is really good, there's another mix somewhere I can't find it though. I like it when I'm out at least. Not the best though. Seen this live!
>>66456920
it wasn't harmful but it didn't do anything to me either desu, the lead synth sounds like 8 saws put together which everyone has heard like 2 million times already. not a huge fan of these vocals either but i see what you mean, there is a surge of trap ish music (particularly on soundcloud) that really cares about percussion and some details. i don't think well crafted electronic dance music is extinct, it just needs to be found.
>/mu/ now defends Skrillex
i lived long enough to see this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glrqMY5yjog
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8Uu0HZoMNw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojYsJi0q6ko
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzIFjGcOKbg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_ONH3tGXxc
>>66457258
At my favorite club there's so much bass it's ridiculous, I seriously have wondered if the bass is gunna give me a heart attack. My headphones are pretty nice but it's so low frequency it doesn't even shake them or something. That really does add to it.
>>66457302
>66457302
Funny story I was talking to some DJ at the club I go to, and I showed him some jungle. He was like "Dude what is this! THis is so cool!" and I'm like it's jungle it's from the 90s. He's like "Dude we need to show the kids this!" I'm like, "what are you gunna do, play 90s tracks all over again?". He's like "Well I mean I could take influence from this or something" and he took a picture of what I was playing on my phone to keep note. Was funny lol.
>>66457302
Then there's the modern production wizard Billain
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bE0e2hA_iE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wy741RdHHZU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6tRwdVMIx4
>>66457421
>66457421
The kid was only 17 years old and this was a month or two ago
>>66457302
sick tracks, ed rush and optical are the best
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ulUHuON9jHM
>>66457584
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9BxdsBChb0
I listen to stuff like this when I'm home, I have one group of friends that listens to trap rap that I don't want to get into all the time, and another group of friends that listens to EDM all of the time. Both of them like jungle when they're with me, but they don't listen to it at home. I've tried. Unless I constantly burn them CDs, which worked for a while. But my CDs got old and I stopped because times changed in a way I don't wanna exsplain. Jungle is the best stuff to blast from a car system though, people's mind just gets blown. It's so great.
>>66455248
This is the same guy who thought skream and burial where shot versions of skrillex kek
https://youtu.be/ZHo7fQGpxrE
this is fucking unbelievable
>>66457785
Back in like 2008 myfriend's stoner cousin who looked like jesus and kicked ass was like "You heard of dubstep?" and I was like "Yeah dude!" and he gave me his ipod and it had scary monsters nice spirits on it. I thought "Holy shit this is so fucking awesome I can't even understand how awesome holy god jesus" and the entire time, and even when I went home. I thought dubstep was the band that made the song.
>>66457893
Or i guess it was 2010.
>tfw none of you have mentioned the best genre that has come out of electronic music
How about you try pick related.
Check and m8
>>66455248
At the controls - James Holden
Brainstorm: hard trance fusion - sharky
