>tfw what started as an anti-capitalist counter-culture movement is now being appropriated by the same type of companies that the movement was critical of
its like punk all over again
Wasn't vaporwave supposed to be dead in 2013? I want to stop hearing about it.
started as a niche meme
now its a common meme
>>66357583
Would it have gone any other way, anon?
>anti-capitalist
no
There's absolutely nothing wrong with capitalism.
You are a retard.
Vapourwave's been pretty much mainstream for a good two or three years now. It's basically a meme now anyway.
it was in no way anti-capitalist
if i got it right vaporwave was all about the beautiful and cool aspects of capitalism
except everything
>>66357617
There's plenty wrong with capitalism, but it's still the most ideal system we have.
If you'd rather live under Communism then move to Cuba or wherever.
>>66357583
Music for that feel
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RZGhv3QKXkI
what right does this music recommendation service have to recommend people listen to a genre of music which I have arbitrarily decided should be kept a secret? if they do that, how will I feel intellectually superior to those who haven't listened that music?
REEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>66357663
>if you want to live under communism
>go to cuba [a nation where economic castes exist]
you do not know what communism is, you are conflating specific forms of state socialism with communism
>>66357669
I'm not against vaporwave going mainstream, I just hate that it's now being used in a way that goes against its original message
>>66357742
That last bit was a joke
>>66357663
>most ideal system we have
>like 100 people have almost all the money in the entire world
OK Kid
>>66357583
>vaporwave was a anit-capitalist movement
Yeah, its kinda dumb and ironic but that's happened with almost every anti-capitalist movement in history. It's human nature and doesn't necessarily devalue its ideals.
>>66357646
Wrong. Vaporwave is pop-art. A jab at commercialism once again but for the computer age.
>>66357871
>100 people have almost all the money in the world
so basically what you;re saying is that you have no idea how much money the richest 100 people have nor how much money total is in circulation?
you can do the rest of the work to find out why that's fucking stupid what you said there, here are some useful links
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_World%27s_Billionaires
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money_supply
http://www.investopedia.com/terms/m/m0.asp
>>66357871
>because its better to live under a regime that murderers your entire family or sends you to a gulag
adults here are trying to talk mmmkay?
>>66357795
this
please dont respond to him anymore
>>66357871
You mean
>>66358002
it unironically is tho
don't upset them and you have nothing to worry about
>>66357871
T. Bernie
>>66358002
Communism ≠ Stalinism
>>66358081
Even so, name me one Communist government, or even one completely Socialist government (not Social Democratic) that is more successful than Capitalist governments.
>>66357996
>>66358002
>>66358055
>>66358060
>all these classcucks
>>66357638
>It's basically a meme now anyway.
>basically
>now
>>66358103
Nice moving the goalposts faggot.
lol vaporwave was never anti-capitalist, its always been a lazy meme of nostalgia that cannot decide if its the 1980s or the 1990s, it also couldnt decide if it was about computers, malls/consumerism, or even just being fake lost sounds of the past warped or new dance music with 80s flair
vaprowave has no coherency, not even its imagery is consistent to itself, its all based on the same shit new retro wave does, only sometimes with windows 95 and statues
>>66357583
VAPORWAVE AIN'T DEAD BBY
>>66358170
why music genre needs "coherency" or "consistency"?
>>66358103
There's never been a Communist government....ever
>>66357583
This happens to every subculture anon.
Companies repurpose culture into commodity so they can sell it back to the subculture they stole it from and those onlookers who think it's still imbued with some subversive power. Culture has to manifest through official channels, be it materials bought by punkers or social media platforms for vaporwave, and through that intersection the parent culture can control the subculture.
Until the subculture seizes the means of production, this will continue to happen.
>>66358170
This.
It still sounds nice tho.
>>66358199
any one that wants to actually exist outside of facebook meme groups and shitposting
>>66357583
I'm glad vaporwave is dead, I'm tired of it, it sucks.
>>66358103
define succesful
>>66358055
>>66358060
t. living memes
>>66358232
never heard of any of those
just admit communism kills
>>66357583
vaporwave's 'philosophy' was a buncha post-modern shit ripped straight from baudrillard. vaporwave itself is not anti-capitalist or pro-capitalist, it is simply a transparency which sustains both ironic (anti-capitalist) and post-ironic (techno-capitalist) layers of interpretation, thus giving us ample evidence to categorise the genre as a 'pure meme'
>>66358002
>adults
>mmmkay?
And obviously you don't fit that demographic
>>66357583
"Your new favorite summer music genre"
ITS HAPPENNING FINALLY !!!! YYYYUhhhhoooo!!!!!!!!
\o/
oooOoOOOOOOpppps....
http://www.gq.com/story/mtv-miley-cyrus-vma-vaporwave-seapunk
#ItNeverHappenned
>>66358280
dank
>>66358291
Max stirner has ruined /lit/
you have no clue what you're talking about.
tfw its summer and /mu/tards think this is
a. the first time vaporwave has "gone mainstream"
b. vaporwave doesnt already have the worst fanbase ever
c. anyone cares
d. anything will change
>>66358103
The USSR was.
>>66358081
not an argument
>>66358450
go to bed stefan
omg it's like every music genre ever.
>>66358566
cable street
>>66357755
THERE IS NO FUCKING MESSAGE ITS JUST SOUL AND AMBIENT FOR PEOPLE WHO LIKE DRIVE AND HOTLINE MIAMI
>>66357871
>>66357663
theres a difference between the ideal states of capitalism and communism, and CORRUPTION. idiots.
>>66358450
You're right, it's not an argument. It's a refutation. I still win.
>>66357583
>dude capitalism is evil all hail Che Guevara
I wish I could strangle these idiots
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vc6PK7aqTO0
>>66358631
>PragerU
Consider suicide.
>>66358603
Honestly, a corrupt Capitalist system is better than a corrupt Communist system, and being as most governments end up with a certain level of corruption I'd rather live under Capitalism
>>66358631
dissidents in the soviet union were hypocrites for eating kolkhoz food
>>66358321
god damn how many more layers of irony do I need to ham up before you realise you're being memed
is capitalism without consumerism possible
>>66358654
>didn't even watch the video
>>66358674
no
>implying consumerism is bad
>>66358674
Theoretically yes. In practise it's very difficult if not impossible though.
I don't believe that consumerist capitalism is necessarily a bad thing though, only when it comes about as an infringement on free-market systems by the government.
>>66358704
I've watched it before and cringed. That guy has a video named "Why is Modern Art So Bad" for God's sake.
>>66358716
agreed
>implying consumerism is good
>>66358763
>muh gubberment
kek
>>66358631
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPvHoxlY3UY
>>66358764
The video is right though you cuck
Reminder Scaruffi is an anti-consumerist.
http://www.slideshare.net/scaruffi/how-to-kill-yourself-your-country-and-your-planet-in-a-few-easy-stepsand-feel-good-about-it
>>66358990
>Objective morality
>Real
>>66357617
>>66357663
Now the we (or at least the developed world) have gotten to where we are today thanks to capitalism, we should move towards a more communist society to try and fix the inequalities that are necessary byproducts of capitalism desu senpai
The problem is that the people who have historically been the major beneficiaries of capitalism stand the most to loose (even if it's comparatively not much). So of course they are going to refuse to believe or even acknowledge that anything BUT capitalism would work because their total belief in the ideology of capitalism makes up their entire view and understanding of society, culture, the world etc., because that belief is how they got to be at the top at this moment in time, and giving that up would go against everything about the life they are living.
>>66359113
This. Socialism is the end goal of capitalism.
>anti-capitalist counter-culture movement
>not a derivative meme from seapunk which was a derivative meme from witch house which was a derivative meme from chillwave whic was a derivative meme from bloghouse
oh boy
When's this thread getting deleted?
>>66358990
>doesn't provide sources or videos to show how the video is 'true'
>KEK KEK KEK KEK
/pol/ at it's finest
also see >>66358945
>>66359162
There is the problem of the need for capitalism to emerge as a result of a world crisis like a natural disaster or major war.
Now there's no way to outright prevent natural disasters through a socialist society. Though the potential damage done COULD be lessened through green economic policies and fast/effective aid policies.
Major world wars would probably be totally eliminated by the nature of a socialist society. There would be lesser conflicts between developing societies still using capitalism but nothing cataclysmic thats not taking into account nuclear weapons though.
Now developing societies that aren't ready to transition to socialism should definitely be capitalist so they can build themselves up to the point where a socialist society is realistically feasible. And thats okay.
The world doesn't NEED to be on the same page right now, but that doesn't necessarily mean we all won't end up in the same place at the end of the book. At that point we can close it and apply what we learned from our history in our individual everyday lives.
Now that Vaporwave is finally and permanently dead we can all agree that Saint Pepsi was the best artist to come out of the genre.
>>66359766
no, he's bland and created that shitty pol meme
>>66359766
>take obscure 80's japanese funk
>run it through a filter & put vengeance drums over it's beats
>best
"no"
>>66359766
Agreed.
His new stuff under Skylar spence or w/e if awful though.
Just proves vaporwave took little/no skill desu
>>66359853
>implying that isn't every vaporwave artist
>>66359883
vaporwave artists slow down their tracks in addition to applying filters, future funk artists can't be arsed to even do that.
>this whole tread
Vaporwave is about as anti-capitalist as Foucault; that is, it's vaguely critical but ultimately pointless and can be easily appropriated by capitalism for profit. Like those "This is what a feminist looks like" shirts made in sweatshops or Lenin-themed soda.
SHAKIRA SHAKIRA
Vaguely related to Vaporwave, but why are 80s songs so ethereal and comfy-sounding and perfect for driving along the sunset? Other decades' music, while good, generally don't have this kind of sound.
It's like Bernie Sanders all over again
>>66357583
How can they get away with this if an overwhelming majority of it consists of uncleared samples?
Man, I love this this about purely music on a board that's dedicated for music.
What really bugs me about this is that imo vaporwave is very bad music to play in social situations as it relies so heavily on personal nostalgia. And summer music? What?
>>66357663
This post is correct. Ignore all colon crisped commoners.
>>66359920
Foucault wasn't a liberal, he just didn't froth at the mouth whenever liberalism was mentioned like less intelligent leftists are trained to do.
>>66360153
Different approach to music production and mixing. Modern music is too sterile and lacks the warmth of 80's music.
I'm sort of ignorant on this subject but was their ever the thought of an entirely merit based society? Don't ask me exactly how it would work but it would solve the problem with the 1% having all the wealth in capitalism and solve the problem of no incentive to be productive in communism.
Please don't respond to me asking me how the fuck this would work I'm mostly just curious if any society tried to operate like this before.
>>66357617
Without the capitalistic company owners penny-pinching attitude there would be no reason to replace the workforce with robots. Capitalism will fuck itself over when the consumers dont have the money to buy products anymore, but by then its to late and we ended up with a fully automated meaningless society
>>66361095
It's called nature.
>>66361111
quads speaks the truth
the dissolution of society and return to primal barbarity is the solution to the problem that is society
It was incredibly lazy music that was appreciated by morons more interested in image than musical content. Its ideological implications never went beyond a high school level critique of capitalism; the vaporwave community deserves to have their shallow genre that they treated like a fashion accessory perverted. Its malleability just speaks to how weak its intellectual backbone was to begin with.
>>66361095
a meritocracy would be awful for the music industry
>>66359766
>OPN
>death's dynamic shroud.wmv
>░▒▓新しいデラックスライフ▓▒░
that's the only artists that I liked from the genre
>>66357583
>music is made from taking songs and chopping them up
How do they legally have this on there?
They better not have It's Your Move on there.
>>66358870
>/leftypol/
autism
>>66357583
Why does this make me sad
Not OPs post but the image itself
I guess its because finding someone else who ironically enjoyed vaporwave irl was such a neat and rare thing but now this basically signals that those times are long gone
>>66357583
i wouldn't mind if normies started listening to vaporwave desu
Why does /mu/ get so assblasted whenever someone says something positive about capitalism?
>>66361085
>the warmth of 80's music
stop this meme. there is no "warmth" in music. you're just a teen too drenched in nostalgia glasses.
>>66361403
this is a really sad post
What the fuck is this
>>66361531
capitalism
THERE IS NOTHING ANTI-CAPITALIST *OR* COUNTER-CULTURE ABOUT VAPORWAVE
AT ALL
IN ANY WAY
>>66360808
it's post modern and self referential so obviously
>>66361562
Yeah, sadly
>>66361578
there clearly is you retard
>>66361618
No, not really.
>>66361531
that's not even vaporwave its fuckin synthwave bullshit
>>66361489
don't you know that the arts are a breeding ground for dumb lefties?
>>66361531
This really harshes my mellow
At least some memer got to go on and live his dream of working on spotify and bring his favorite genres into the limelight
>>66358945
LSR is goat, Cameron's a cutie
>>66361578
If you don't see it you're a moron but hey who cares the genre's officially dead anyway
In a way, this is preferable to it dying than the route it was taking before with people just slapping the title on synthwave/ambient bandcamp projects
>>66357583
>tfw what started as an anti-capitalist counter-culture movement is now being appropriated by the same type of companies that the movement was critical of
Summer shows. Vaporwave started as, and always has been, a post-ironic celebration of 80's capitalist culture
>>66358002
because CLEARLY the only alternative to capitalism is despotism.
>>66361763
>post-ironic
it was ironic, and very tongue in cheek. not a celebration
>>66361763
>a post-ironic celebration of 80's capitalist culture
If you listen to how Daniel Lopatin or Ferraro describes it at all you'd know instantly it wasn't meant to be a celebration
The post-irony part comes from it being a reappropriation of shallow empty music to make something greater. At least, first wave vaporwave. This doesn't really apply to later most later stuff.
if you believe in capitalism you're a class cuck.
This thread reeks of /tv/ so I'm gonna start posting underrated vaporwave tunes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbRa6O-MG8s
>>66361821
How is that underrated? It's one of the most well known and recommenced vaporwave albums
>>66357583
You realize punk was invented so a new york jew could sell leather jackets to rich teenagers from london, right?
>>66361403
You sure showed him
>>66358103
Government being in place implies that a ruling class exists. The only way for something like communism to work would require it to be run by the people, not in the way that china likes to say it is but actually by every citizen for the good of their community and themselves. Unfortunately having universally better living conditions and abolishing class warfare isnt incentive enough to make people give up on currency.
>>66361764
Russia got capitalism but they're still under despotism.
>all these underage commucucks complaining about capitalism when their entire sheltered lifestyles are contingent on it
top fucking kek. i am literally laughing right now. not just breathing more out my nose, literally fucking guffawing.
>>66357583
shut the fuck up
>>66361855
I've only seen it talked about on /mu/ once around the time tmt reviewed it and whenever I bring it up to people who are into vaporwave irl its always new to them.
>>66361095
your just describing socialism, nice one comrade
>>66361936
>posts memepicture and claims to be laughing
oh boy you got em good
>>66361936
sounds you're having fun wagecuck :)
>>66361959
>libcuck tears
delicious. come november you're on your way >>>/out/ >>>/out/ >>>/out/
>>66361975
>>66361959
libcucks at it again
>>66357646
It's both
>>66361991
don't be mad, monday just started.
another day, another dollar
>>66361975
>implying i wasnt born into a wealthy family
never even worked an hourly wage job. fruits of my family's hard labor.
>/mu/
>>66362013
>/cuck/
>>66361980
To be honest Trump would be better than clinton, but clinton will probably win(sadly)
>>66361980
>>66361991
im not a liberal
nice memes though
>>66362009
>muh wageslave meme
better than being a filthy libcuck
>>66362025
its sad
>>66361957
>socialism
>merit based
lol
>>66361797
How was it tongue in cheek in any way besides being shallow, or goofy, in *your* eyes? If it is ironic, where and how does it seek to reveal the fallacies of the culture and its ideals, or the shallowness of the music for example? Surely, people knew 80's culture aged horribly before Vaporwave - It is seen as a tasteless, old fashioned decade ever since the late 90's... Exaggerating it's silliness would just come off as an obvious joke, not a clever one. What Vaporwave did was taking this culture to exaggerated, goofy places (which required some tongue-in-cheek-ness, hence post-irony and not pre/sincerity) in order to celebrate the beauty of a dead narrative - through a very nostalgic revival and exploration of its aesthetics.
>>66361804
As far as I know neither of the two is strictly Vaporwave, but just similar to/inspired by it - but I am interested in seeing the interviews you speak of. Link?
>>66362011
Doesn't that mean you're the sheltered one?
>>66361980
>>66361991
>Liberals
>Critical of capitalism
Nice understanding of ideologies there m8s
>>66362031
>defends cuckunism
>hehe but im not a libtard like the other girls
if you arent for trump you might as well be a liberal at this point
>>66362024
>/meme/
>>66362062
i didnt defend it though
i just called out an autist
this guy >>66361936
>>66362055
im not a neet who whines about wageslavery. i work hard in a field that requires my mental capacities rather than physical as you implied.
>>66362062
>Defends classcuckism
Trump 2016 xD
i like capitalism because i benefit from it, as i am intelligent, capable, and competent.
>>66361936
>HAHAHA CHECKMATE COMMIEKEKS
>>66362064
>alt-right memey XD
libcuck go whine about how capitalism is fucking you over some more
>>66362115
>defends the ideology that killed millions
do you only care about nigger lives?
>>66362101
Not whining, more like pitying
>>66362118
whatever helps you sleep at night, too bad that's cut off by your work schedule
>>66362135
stupid irrelevant fucking picture
you liberatards are amazingly bad at argument
>>66362118
pretty much this. commutards cant handle a merit-based system. they want everything handed to them by big government, which of course requires stealing from those who actually work.
If you would rather be a NEET than have a steady income you are lost and should kill yourself
Seriously just end it now
>>66362048
>"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs"
>From each according to his ability
wew, definitely talkin about welfare nanny states, keep it up senpai
>>66362150
>too bad that's cut off by your work schedule
>implying i have a work schedule
make my own hours m80. getting a college education in a competitive field pays off. that's the beauty of capitalism.
>>66362160
Is
>Cuck
>Libcuck
>Liberal
>Commucucks
Better arguments?
If one throws mud, another throws mud back.
>>66362160
Cuck cuck cuck trump libtards cuck cuck niggers is a great argument though
>>66362137
But I haven't, I'm just sad how literally every thread degenerates to /pol/memeshit, so better just embrace the retardness.
>>66362200
What do you work in?
>>66362196
you forgot the last part
>to each according to his needs
>>66362224
sandwich artistry
>>66362118
Didn't know patrick bateman posted here.
I mean this is a thread about the 80s but I'm a bit surprised
>>66362188
best post in this thread
>>66362243
i stole an orange juice from subway yesterday because i didnt want to pay extra
my pizza sub was already too much
People still make really good music inspired by vaporwave. The whole anti-capitalist BS agenda is retarded nonsense that was just made up to make it sound cooler in the early days.
VW is not dead, the new serious stuff just isn't a meme anymore and is made for the sake of how it sounds.
socialism
>hey who cares that you didnt work!! you can have this guy's stuff
capitalism
>work hard and you will succeed. you control your own destiny.
one is for the feeble-minded sheep who cant take care of themselves, the other for real men who know the true meaning of responsibility.
>>66362160
>liberals
>the guys who literally started capitalism
>through violent revolution
the image was a relevant deconstruction of your point, regardless of whether or not you disagree with it. Maybe next time you can come up with an actual argument for your position.
>>66362275
give it back
>>66362295
>hey who cares that you didnt work!! you can have this guy's stuff
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parasitism_(social_offense)
>>66362243
When the NEET does not prepare his own food, he goes to subway.
The most elite restaurant one could offer
>>66362188
Step to the light
>>66362295
FPBP
>all this ideology
>>66362230
>people aren't entitled to their basic needs
I understand that you want a productive society, but starving societies haven't been shown to be terribly productive.
>>66362331
>the people who work hard and provide jobs are the parasites
>this is what commucucks believe
>>66362319
i drank it all :^)
the asian lady saw me drinking it outside the window and she couldnt do anything
>>66362376
did you read the article?
NEETdom was persecuted by law in the Soviet Union
>>66359766
Not the BEST (that goes to Vektroid) but top 5 and is my personal #2, definitely
>>66362160
You didn't argument anything faggot. You only repeated cuck and libtard over and over.
Typical altistic righter.
>>66362372
the people who starve are disposable. if they had high iqs they would have learned to take care of themselves. the welfare state only worsens the gene pool by allowing poor (stupid) people to reproduce.
>>66362295
You're doing great, worker! Keep working and you'll be living the dream someday!
>>66362376
>The bourgi works hard
>exploiting the surplus value a worker creates is hard
nice meme
trump
>156 iq
>worth 8 billion
clinton
>failed her bar exam
>a fucking woman
>>66362425
im doing pretty well.
>>66362451
trump
>shady crook
hilary
>shady crook
whoever wins, the rest of the world looses
>>66362451
Who's talking about Hillary Clinton retard?
>>66362451
>Implying either are good/relevant to the topic at hand
Good thing communists don't like either
>>66362485
how is trump a crook, cuck? did he exploit the workers :(?
>>66362421
Not arguing for a welfare state, again. But do you seriously believe that social mobility is high enough that people who are born poor can simply work their way out of it? Most people don't even get a chance to go to school.
follow global rule #3: keep /pol/ in /pol/
>>66362480
Oh, we're sure, buddy
>>66362505
He said it again the madman xD cuck cuck xD
>>66362494
good thing there hasnt been and never will be a legitimate communist candidate in us history
>>66360808
yeah vaporwave is a very internally enjoyed genre
I'm not really sure how they got summer, other than someone found out about the "summer genre" meme and exploited that
>>66362515
We try
>>66362525
>no argument
>just insulting my diction
>this is what a libcuck thinks constitutes an argument
you have to go back
/mu/ is literally worst than /v/, we are supossed to talk about vaporwave not capitalism vs socialism
>>66362527
Well duh, anyone who calls themselves a communist and tries to run to be president of a bourgi democracy is a class traitor. It amazes me that anyone on the left thought Burn-it-up Sandman wasn't going to betray them too.
>>66362527
Never said I wanted one there. There'd be no way to actually get any strong-willed ideology through, there's so much branches of corruption that there couldn't be any reform.
>>66362516
>complains about economic system
>says the people who are fine with it are the ones struggling
k
>>66362554
We were actually having a pretty good discussion about the messages of vaporwave until /pol/ showed up
>>66361531
they just described seapunk or oceangrunge with those emojis, i'm so confused
Noise will still be untouched by big business because it's aesthetic is its abrasive sound and unmarketable nature.
r-right guys?
>>66362527
>A communist candidate
You really don't understand what communism is don't you
>>66362620
Not complaining. I'm just a neet who likes to laugh at wagies
Can you say again how well you're doing well?
>>66357583
>>66357583
>being appropriated
please OP, you are making a fool of yourself by using this phrase.
Vaporwave will not change because spotify decided to capitalize on it. Vaporwave will remain the same, dont worry. Why are you on twitter anyway?
>>66361804
this
Socialism is usually defined as a socioeconomic system in which workers own their means of production and a democratically elected government (or in a syndicalist system a federation of unions) focuses on defending this primary organization while also carrying out whatever else is needed by the workers
Communism is usually defined as a theoretical social scenario in which money, the State, and social classes have become completely irrelevant and all laborers get to decide for themselves how the yields of their labor are distributed amongst themselves
Tell me
A. Why either of these are bad (>inb4 "Well it works on paper...")
B. When either of these have fully been achieved and sustained without being subverted by outside Capitalist forces either through direct military action or economic sabotage of some kind
Can't do it?
That's what I thought
Also
>my face when all the retarded Americans who think Bernie "I'm with Her" Sanders is a Socialist in any way shape or form
I think that v a p o r w a v e being commercialized is what vaporwave is all about. It's criticizing the blind behemoth of commercialization. The behemoth cannot understand irony, it cannot see what it tramples, it just follows the smell of money and leaves behind rubble.
>>66358592
There's still a theme and a feeling it has - and it gets more and more diluted and off-course the more publicity it gets when people try and become a musician in the genre themselves.
It started with Tumblr trendhoppers thinking the genre is "cool" and "hip" and "underground", when all it started out as was music to emulate those certain feelings of old technology and old consumerism.
Soon there won't be any artists left that make genuinely satisfying vaporwave that matches the themes that make it, well, vaporwave. It's hard to even describe the current state of vaporwave...
Read guy debord
>>66357617
t. cuckfork
>>66362691
bumping your post for /pol/acks to see.
>>66357605
yeah vw died in late 2013
>>66360808
Most of the vaporware i listen to have classical or 70 -80 samples and sound like the furthest thing from summer anything.
>>66362663
>proud of being a neet
im in law school, but i dont have to worry about loans because of my trust (:
>>66362657
http://noisey.vice.com/blog/merzbow-haino-pandi-premiere
dunno, it's getting more attention definitely
>>66362719
>>66362719
>I think that v a p o r w a v e being commercialized is what vaporwave is all about. It's criticizing the blind behemoth of commercialization. The behemoth cannot understand irony, it cannot see what it tramples, it just follows the smell of money and leaves behind rubble.
beautiful, the art has trancended itself. The capitalist system now critics itself, it's contradictions revealed through the art called v a p o r w a v e
everyones complaining about shit meanwhile im playing skyrim
>>66361936
>>66361980
>>66361991
>>66362043
>>66362062
>>66362137
>>66362160
>>66362376
>>66362552
>Being so salty you make all these posts
>Thinking communists are liberals
>Thinking there any cucks but classcucks
>Saying others are bad at argumenting when the only thing you managed to do was ad hominem and appeal to ridicule
You're a fucking laughingstock dude.
>people arent going to vote for this absolute madman
>>66362810
>Law
Have fun, you have to have really good networking for that
>>66362818
As soon as i saw the link i rolled my eyes. Merzbow is the only big noise guy these fags know. And it's always pulse demon being talked about, the guy has a gigantic library but fucking hipsters always go to that album because of pitchfork.
>>66362845
>being this mad
>being this c u c k
>>66362845
>im a cuck
>>66362284
Do you have a favorite VW album released this year? I want to try something new.
Vaporwave pretty much became irrelevant after Floral Shoppe. It was too good that it killed the entire genre.
>>66362993
Floral Shoppe is cool but I never did see how it was groundbreaking or anything. Contemporary Sapporo is x1,000,000 better IMO. Better variety, better sampling, better atmosphere.
>>66362958
>>66362975
>Samefagging this blatantly
You only make yourself look more and more stupid and pathetic.
>>66363069
This, it's a wee bit sad
>>66362859
Kek, I'm a commie, but Berniefags got BTFO. They deserve this PROBLEMATIC president, it's the future they chose.
>>66363110
I know about inspect element too faggot. There's an almost exact 1 minute gap between the posts and the formatting is identical.
>>66363110
A real computer wizard
Just wiped away the (you) at the flick of a wand, then posted it
>>66363110
>>66363069
>>66363093
>cucks getting BTFO
kek
@66363037
Don't ever (You) me again with your shitty opinions and taste in music. I bet you never even heard of vaporwave until it spread to the normies a couple of years ago.
>>66363202
inspect element is new to you i see
>>66363202
You literally just BTFO'd yourself by pretending to be two persons like a complete autist to try and intimidate others because you have no arguments. You are at rock bottom dude.
>>66363338
the point still stands
Also,
>Utorrent
>Spotify
>Steam
>Mac
are you sure you're on the right site
Capitalism always wins, baby!
>>66357617
*in theory
>>66363396
he's got a tab for /pol/ open, he's just on the wrong board.
>>66363409
The chant of the wagecuck while their boss fucks their wife
>>66363396
this
you really gotta liberate yourself m8. Use gnu/linux instead of ios, you'll get the same familiar unix experience. Use a freedom respecting variant of firefox, it has all of the features of chrome minus the tracking these days anyways. Use qbittorent instead of utorrent. Use vlc player with icecast instead of spotify. Use i2p instead of tor. Stop using steam altogether.
>>66363435
Give me more bitter buzzwords, /leftypol/smoker
>>66363110
i believe you anon :*)
>>66363448
>using linux
>>66363448
Kek do you really think a /pol/yp wants freedom?
>>66363488
>cuck
>degenerate
>sjw
>multiculturalism
>jews
oh woops, sorry I thought you said /pol/ buzzwords
>>66363488
>/leftypol/smoker
I think i probably should give you some buzzwords, that's the worst "buzzword" I've ever heard
>>66358103
Republican Spain, during the Civil War, around 1936, before the nationalists took them down (with support of Nazis and Italian Facist), not exactly a Comunist government, but a Popular one, it's the closest that you'll get
>>66363533
open source is even more classcucked than working for porky for dosh. Whenever one makes something open source instead of libre/free they are basically asking someone to slap a copyright on their work and make tons of money.
Respect your freedom, use copyleft licenses like gpl for your code so that it will remain free and available to the public forever.
>>66362691
>he thinks a stateless society can effectively distribute resources
>he thinks the mere fact that every attempt to achieve communism or socialism has ended in failure and genocide is irrelevant
>he thinks an outside part is always responsible for the inevitable failure of Communist and Socialist countries
>he thinks that either of those two socioeconomic systems will ever be seen as anything more than failed systems supported only by madmen and 15 year olds
>>66363561
>anyone who disagrees with me is /pol/
>all these young people that want communism unironically
We don't have much time left.
>>66357605
>>66362794
it died in 2012 when this shithole board ruined it
>>66363659
>all these young people that fanatically support the global state capitalist regime unironically
it's already over
>>66363659
Well the altright isn't helping either. They love fags just as much as sjws (their outrage at orlando and their love of milo)
>>66363396
but i like those things (except spotify just use that because my friend do)
>>66363609
yeah, madmen like Einstein and Orwell
>>66363635
>anyone who doesn't like capitalism is /leftypol/
perhaps you missed that bit
>>66357617
Capitalism is the reason why you're gonna graduate with a Bachelor's and still be forever unemployed because you got replaced with a robot or some Chinese 3 year old.
honestly, it's really refreshing to see some resistance to /pol/. I hope that politics threads start popping up on every board more often, so that people have a place to discuss politics outside of the stormfag echochamber.
>>66363727
Yeah you got me there
>>66363697
>They love fags just as much as sjws (their outrage at orlando and their love of milo)
Don't make me laugh dude. They only used the Orlando thing to push their agenda against Muslims and they only like Milo because he's as autistic as them.
>tfw leftycuck who will probably vote for shilldog but ive been shitposting as trumpfag this whole thread
need help
>>66362043
>Mfw working my ass off
>still gonna be liberal till the day I die
Still feels good
>>66363738
Capitalism is the reason I won't
because I'm too poor to go to university
>>66362062
>if you arent for trump you might as well be a liberal at this point
this makes me want to vote for Clinton even more
>>66363758
Yeah, because the "enemy of our enemy is our friend" thing really worked when the us helped muslims
>>66362275
good
>>66363714
>But i like those things
tumblr likes those things too, seems like you'd get along well (different side of the same coin)
>>66357617
objectively false
>>66363802
>>66363759
>>66363772
Don't even vote. Unionize your workplace if possible, convince your friends and family that only a violent revolution will change anything. Just don't be an autist or they'll think your a terrorist.
>>66363875
>Just don't be an autist
Too late.
>All of the bourgousie dickriders ITT
>>66357871
This guy is right, well actually it's not 100 but 63. If that seems rational to you then get your fucking head checked.
>>66363875
Don't even bother trying to reach out to classcucks in your workplace.
Find other leftists in your local area and start a worker's co-op. Join the co-op with another co-op under a union and use some of the funds gathered from union dues to fund new worker owned industries.
>>66363609
>He thinks that a Stateless society can effectively distribute resources
I'm not an "appeal to nature" type of guy but there's factual evidence that many Native American (both North and South) did this pretty well for quite a long time before settlers showed up
On top of that State-based society has done a pretty terrible job of effectively distributing resources wouldn't you say? I mean we definitely have the ability to use the power of the State to end poverty and unemployment, and I don't mean in some abstract global sense, but in in the Western world. Yet it still persists. So you can't say the State is better because it's better at doing something it consistently fails at
>he thinks the mere fact that every attempt to achieve communism or socialism has ended in failure and genocide is irrelevant
There's plenty of genocide and failure on behalf of Capitalism friendo so again that in itself IS pretty irrelevant. On top of that it isn't true, there have been several examples of Socialist societies throughout history which didn't end in genocide (such as the Paris Commune and Mahknovist Ukraine and arguably the modern day societies of the Zapatistas in Mexico and Rojava in the Middle East)
>he thinks an outside party is always responsibly for the inevitable failure of Communist and Socialist countries
Where have there been Communist countries? On top of that maybe I jumped the gun a bit implying ALL Socialist countries fail soley because of Capitalist subversion/intervention, but it's always a part of the failure
Also why do you say it's "inevitable"? Do you have evidence to back that up or are you just making shit up?
>he thinks that either of those two socioeconomic systems will ever be seen as anything more than failed systems supported only by madmen and 15 year olds
>calls me a fedora
>literally ends his argument that has barely argued the point with a huge ad hom
Nice
>>66363836
why should i care who likes it as long as i do
Why are you arguing about politics on the internet with total strangers who aren't going to change their opinion anyway? Not purposefully trying to act morally superior, but this is all completely pointless. We have limited time on this earth. Go outside. Eat a fucking fruit. Do essentially anything but this.
>>66363889
That's ok comrade, at least you'll never be as autistic as Maoists or Trots.
holy shit classcucks got absolutely rekt ITT
>>66363984
speaking only in memes are we? sure got us there
>>66357996
His point on wealth disparity still stands though
From one of your links and 10 seconds on Google I just learned about 2000 people have 10% of the worlds money. That's fucking crazy.
>>66363875
>unionize your workplace if possible
working class people arent anti-capitalism anymore.
>>66363924
That's fine comrade, whoever wins it'll be 8 more years of neoliberalism. Just thought I'd save you the trouble of voting at all.
>>66363932
This is even better if possible.
>>66357583
Jesus Christ Spotify are late to the party.
>>66364025
Just like
>Cuck
>Liberal
>Degenerate
>Sjw
this has been talked about numerous times itt
>>66364025
gotta fight memes with memes son
>>66363938
native americans organized themselves in tribal units. without a state, yes, but still under some hierarchal organization.
>>66364047
Aware working class people might be
The bourgeois aren't
I'm glad my parents are anti-capitalists
>>66363792
and whose fault is that?
>>66364059
>This is even better if possible
problem is, it's a relatively modern spin on old anarcho-syndicalist practices. Back in the day it was possible to convert private industry into worker owned industry with a series of strikes, but nowadays that's just not possible, so the function of the worker's federation must change from that of a force that incites direct action to a force that builds leftist infrastructure.
I plan on creating and decentralizing a pdf about this pretty soon. I hope it catches on and perhaps inspires some modern worker's federations.
>>66364132
You can have hiearchy without a State but the point was whether or not people need a State
The State=/=hiearchy
>>66364059
I'm just choosing the lesser of two evils
But thanks for trying though
COMMIESHITS GTFO MY BOARD
>>66363938
Are you implying that most Native American tribes were leaderless? Even if they were, these examples are too small-scale to serve as complete representations of communism.
>On top of that State-based society has done a pretty terrible job of effectively distributing resources wouldn't you say?
Nope. Capitalist countries generally have the highest standards of living. Central planning doesn't work and markets are better at distribution of goods. Poverty absolutely exists in Capitalist societies, but there is a reason the stereotype of the Soviet breadline exists.
>There's plenty of genocide and failure on behalf of Capitalism friendo
Absolutely. Pinochet is a shining example. However, nothing can compare to the death tolls racked up by Mao and Stalin alone. You can argue that the countries they led weren't communist, but that was the system they were attempting to emulate. The examples of socialist societies are again not large enough to be accurate representations, and they also exist within Capitalist countries.
>Where have there been Communist countries?
The USSR, Cambodia, North Korea, etc. We can have the discussion of whether these are really communist countries, but again, that is the system they were attempting to emulate.
Also why do you say it's "inevitable"? Do you have evidence to back that up or are you just making shit up?
Most socialist and communist countries (if we want to call them that) don't end well. This is pretty clear if you look at the last 100 years of human history. They either dissolve (Yugoslavia) or transition into other systems (USSR, Vietnam, Cambodia).
>>66363690
How about neither?
>>66363875
I'll shoot any commie that starts a revolution.
>>66364343
>Are you implying that most Native American tribes were leaderless? Even if they were, these examples are too small-scale to serve as complete representations of communism.
No, I'm just saying they existed without a State. Also I said some not all. That aside why are they too small? Mahknovist Ukraine was literally the same size as modern Ukraine and it was a Socialist society.
>Capitalist countries generally have the highest standards of living
Okay but this in and of itself means nothing if only a certain type of person is allowed that standard of living. Even in Social Democratic or "Progressive" (sorry to use such an abstract term) countries, which are still Capitalist, the only reason the majority of the population enjoy a high standard of living is because of reforms assimilated by the Ruling Class from Socialist or Labor/Union-oriented movements. FDR said his greatest achievement as President was saving Capitalism and it was because half of the New Deal was giving Americans as much as they could of what the Socialist and Communist parties were offering as long as it meant those Parties not getting power and crushing the resistance movements in the process.
>Central planning doesn't work
Socialism=/=Central Planning
>There is a reason the stereotype of the Soviet breadline exists
There is a reason the stereotype of the American soup kitchen exists
>Nothing can compare to the death tolls racked up by Stalin and Mao alone
How about WW1 and WW2 combined not to mention the Korean War and the Vietnam War, which are two of the shining examples of Capitalist powers not allowing Socialism of any kind to take hold in other countries because it would threaten their interests
>The USSR, Cambodia, North Korea
Not Communist, sorry
>transition into other systems
Yeah that's part of the Capitalist subversion I was speaking of. Do you think Pinochet (your own example of a failure of Capitalism) just came into power all on his own?
>>66364249
No hard feelings comrade, as I said it really doesn't matter. And to be sure, you will always be my comrade as long as you don't espouse shit like >>66364523
>>66364273
Sorry, didn't mean to intrude on your safespace
>>66364551
>communist
>country
End this meme, countries can't be communist. Countries can be socialist, and we can debate whether or not self-proclaimed socialist countries actually have workers owning the means of production, but communism means the dissolution of the state i.e. no country anymore.
>>66364715
Communism is a meme.
>>66364715
I'm not the one who was arguing that countries could be communist m80 I was just saying historically anything resembling communism hasn't existed on a country wide scale.
That anon still failed to give an answer to either of my questions that wasn't based on false presumptions about socialism and communism or need to skew their meaning in some way to make his arguments cohesive
>>66364607
this whole comment is so cringe holy fuck kill yourself faggot
>>66357617
good one
>>66364831
No, you're right, we really haven't seen socialism or communism on a large scale. The problem with most socialist projects to this day is that none of them occured in first world late-capitalist countries. I there was anything Marx was wrong about (of which there is a lot, read the German Ideology if you wanna see him be wrong for an entire book) it was that he thought that capitalism was advanced during his time. We can't really blame him for this given the immense technological growth we've experienced recently, but it's something everyone reading Marx should keep in the front of their mind. Now, taking the USSR as an example, I don't know if Lenin ever trully believed socialism could have worked in Russia. Obviously now it's irrelevant, but the problem with Russia at the time was that there were too many peasants that could not read or write. This is a HUGE issue if you plan on setting up a democracy and expect people to vote and run their own workplaces. Lenin I think realized this which is why he put the NEP in place which added some capitalist elements to the USSR to speed up industrialization. Stalin took this to it's logical end, and to his credit he managed to rapidly industrialize while he was in power. Of course, this resulted in all the shit people blame Stalin for, which they are totally justified in blaming him for.
But to answer the question of "will Socialism always degrade into totalitarianism", the answer is yes if the populace is unable to participate in democracy. However, with the introduction of the internet and the fact that the US and most of Europe is in the late stage of capitalism in which service industries start to take precedence in the economy, I think a socialist revolution in one of these countries would go far more smoothly. To reiterate, if the United States had it's own Red October, I think the populace would be sufficently engaged politically to prevent a Stalinist regime (provided the Vanguard is democratic).
>>66364886
>GOD I'M SO FUCKING TRIGGERED
stay mad
>>66365305
commie even sucks at insulting lmao
you'll grow out of this one day kid, nothing personal
>>66365352
>this whole comment is so cringe holy fuck kill yourself faggot
>cringe
>kys
>faggot
Teach me how to be good at insults like you senpai!
>>66365242
>But to answer the question of "will Socialism always degrade into totalitarianism", the answer is yes if the populace is unable to participate in democracy. However, with the introduction of the internet and the fact that the US and most of Europe is in the late stage of capitalism in which service industries start to take precedence in the economy, I think a socialist revolution in one of these countries would go far more smoothly. To reiterate, if the United States had it's own Red October, I think the populace would be sufficently engaged politically to prevent a Stalinist regime (provided the Vanguard is democratic).
I completely agree with you here. Where Marx completely fucked up was thinking that his own part of Europe would be the springboard of the revolution.
My own gripe with the Bolsheviks is that they didn't even get Marx because if they had they wouldn't have shot for revolution in the first place due to understanding that Russia was under-developed. In turn the Asian countries which shot for Communism wouldn't have done so.
This is just even more evidence for why there was such strong opposition from the United States and later on other Western powers to Communism as an idea. Because the leaders of the ruling class knew that if it gained too much speed in the United States it'd be the end of the game, since the US and some European countries in the 20th century and now are the highest development. Marx was off based by about 100 or so years but he still was generally correct. We're going to have to wait for the most advanced Capitalist Nation to collapse before Socialism can be established correctly and that is looking to be the USA
>>66365458
>communist
>weeb
you're hopeless
at least birdy is great
>>66365524
Wow good argument. In fact, I take it back, I want to renounce my sinful ways. It's only now that I truly see, the holy free market never failed me! It was the corruption of the evil government that caused this, that created the inefficiencies we see in the markets. I'm going to begin reading Mises and Rothbard immediately. Farewell fellow comra... err... sovereign citizen!!
>>66365926
never go full autism