the weird frontier between pop and avantgarde
are these guys the saviors of music?
XD
The general consensus regarding painting or sculpure is that you can't simply paint/sculpt - there must be a concept behind it. Part of what I like about music is that you can say "I like this song" without having to explain why you like it or why it's significant to our time. Experimental music is moving in the other direction though, with OPs boys in the lead. I'm not saying a more concious dialog is all bad, but I hope it doesn't get as out of hand as the current state of the art world.
dont put that clown ferraro next to my boys dean blunt and opn thanks
>>66259995
ferrari is better than blunt tho
XD
>>66259951
There really isn't a way to explain why what any of them do is inherently good besides concept wise
Daniel and Arca are hacks.
Dunno who are the other two.
>>66260111
u take that back about danny
>>66260111
Kill yourself
>>66260135
no u
>>66260107
Of course, or arguably, but I mean that the concept is a really big part of their work (ok maybe not Arca as much as the rest?)
>>66259394
the only correct answer
james > arca > dean > opn
>>66260305
I agree with Arca and maybe OPN but it feels like Ferraro and Dean can't put out a project unless they have some concept in place beforehand they want to stretch out or some kind of social commentary to make
I guess that why I personally like Arca and OPN more, I think they take the music first approach as opposed to the other two
>>66260412
arca last two releases have been conceptual
and G.O.D. was also
>>66260412
Dean is definitely an artist first and a musician second. Still he touches all the right areas, BBF is a masterpiece
>>66260500
I know GOD was conceptual, also my favorite OPN project, but are you talking about Mutant and Xen? I didn't catch the concepts there
>>66260545
I'll admit I haven't kept up with Dean so Black Metal and Hype Williams are all I've listened to. I'll have to check Babyfather out
>>66260500
opn has said that he actually made the music for god first and sort of pieced the story/concept together after the fact. the concept was definitely secondary to the music, as that anon was saying.
>>66260556
Mutant and the last mixtape which dropped week ago
you're right about the music first concept 2nd especially with opn and arca tho.
>>66260545
bbf is a mess idk what to call it. the meaning and music is meh especially the 2nd half of the album.
AOTY
>>66260686
in wake of brexit i'd say the the concept of bbf is more relevant than ever
>>66260693
I really don't get this
HS3 is not even top 3 Ferraro let alone worth a perfect score
>>66260776
True dean was a genius on predicting that
>>66260693
still haven't gotten my cassetteeeeeeeeeeeee
>>66260686
What are the concepts?
>>66260808
it was more of a 7/10 desu
>>66260808
>>66260819
they're in the mail guy
priority shipping ;)
>>66260825
http://www.tinymixtapes.com/music-review/arca-mutant
gl reading this messs
how does ferraro creates those awesome guitar lines on lamborghini crystal, on air, etc? is it software or is he a guitar player?
>>66260865
TMT is cancer and should be expunged or at least prevented from reviewing music
That review was fucking awful
I think all 4 artists have definitely made music that you don't need to engage with the concept of in order to enjoy, but dean blunt probably the least.
>>66260955
why? because they're doing something different? fuck you. there needs to be something different in music journalism.
>>66261083
And TMT is the answer?
Hahahahahahahaha
>>66260865
a lot of this seems rather tenuous tbqh. i'd agree that a lot of arca's "concepts" are more extramusical (mostly wrt kanda's artwork and videos, as well as how arca presents itself) but the way that translates to the actual music is kinda...weak. i mean:
>sonic equivalent in the malleability of his compositions, works that bend rhythm and willowy synths over textures spilling over one another perversely, cataclysmically, and serenely.
>for this mutation of embodiment through detachment from body, shown sonically in severed rhythms and grossly warped texture
this sort of thing is sort of par for the course in experimental electronic music, no? fucked and strange textures, disembodied and off-kilter rhythms, messing with ones perception of space etc is very commonplace and isn't super unique to this "concept".
>>66261126
*himself
fuck sorry. what a tragic typo lol
>>66261121
answer my question first
>>66259995
>clown
>not dean blunt and opn the conceptuals faggotrons
kys pleb ferraro they dont deserve to be on picture with based ferraro
can't, like, they all be good? it's nice when i like the music and it's nice when i like the concepts and it's real nice when i like both the music and the concepts.
i find arca more personal
i find dean more political
i find ferraro more socioeconomic-commentary-esque
and opn is the best with the whole vaporwavey "nostalgia" anachronism thing. i even felt that on GOD with the nu-metal influences
could just be me tho
>>66261249
I listen to every one of them except for Dean Blunt
>>66261126
I think Arca, OPN, Lotic, etc. all make music that bends and twistes in a very certain way, and I actually don't think it's that far-fetched what TMT makes of Arca's album.
>>66260865
it's not even hard to read or comprehend.
>>66261249
for me, opn and yung lean are similar in the way that they both contributed heavily to the nostalgic engagement with the kitschy mess that is the early noughties, which i very much enjoy
>>66259394
I really enjoy the music of Dean Blunt, but his last few releases were a little disappointing.
OPN I think has established himself as one of the most sophisticated and groundbreaking contemporary producers of electronic music.
As for Ferraro, a lot of his output is mediocre, some is bad, some is good, some I feel very ambilvalent about. I like him.
Arca is a cool producer but should not really be grouped in with those in my opinion. He jumped on the bandwagon, he didn't create the bandwagon.
>>66261625
He jumped on the bandwagon? And what exactly do you mean by this when his sound isn't even close to any of the other three?
>>66260865
the fuck am i reading?
>>66260556
>I didn't catch the concepts there
just read the title tracks & watch the videos m8
>>66262420
I've done both and still don't see it
>>66262439
modern body/gender/identity fluidity & their inner/external/social consequences
tldr. "lol we're posthuman fags"
>>66262599
not him but how does that translates into music?
>>66262890
I'm being over analytical and im sorry in advance if I cum across an idiot(which I am)
Arca concept isn't really his for say but atm in this gay electronic scene thats in ny and berlin. Alot of these live shows within that scene will be taking top 40 pop vocals and mixing it with violent screams of people dying or being tortured.As a way of reminding people that these hits people dance to and play in their car/club have trauma that artist experience to make those songs. and actually more depressing than some guy making emo
but im going offtopic. with xen you can say the concept was about arca being sad and confused his sexuality and mutant being his acceptance and revolt against the people in his country and friends who shamed him. even after that he stills get a ton of blacklash for being a male who wears high heels and such. which again isn't from arca but from his friend shayne who runs hood by air the shitty fast fashion thing.
The sounds on xen and mutant kinda reflect it and yes I know it's very weak
i, for one, like these threads
>>66263111
good explanation, and if anyone tries to argue with you, just show them your trips
>>66263111
this looks like it was written by a 15 year old.
>>66263111
imo one of the most amazing "scenes" in the recent years, and i'm not a ny transboi or something
>>66263111
This actually helped me connect the concept to the music
thanks anon
>>66263111
trips have spoken.
GHE20G0TH1K nights showed alternative gay/lbgt club music (like arca, lotic, etc), more political than just house music that has been "stolen" by cis-het artists/crowds.
>>66263111
i'm sorry but your explanation barely touches on the original inquiry, "how does it translates to music?" it seems to me that the concept remains almost exclusively extra-musical (artwork, track titles, etc)
>>66263466
>context in art is irrelevant
>>66263466
if you can't hear sadness and confusion in xen or anger and determinancy in mutant you should listen to them a few more times.
>>66263520
>things I never said
i'm asking how the concept and extra-musical ideas translates into the actual work, music. james ferraro and dean blunt make their concepts abundantly clear through their music, with arca I can't say the same
>>66263552
lol that's it? confusion? i've listened to both of em dozens of times already, btw. i like the sounds, the concept seems bollocks
Ferraro, OPN, Dean Blunt. Who's the fourth cunt
>>66263602
listen how the sounds are twisted, sonically tortured, mixing euphoric moments & dramatic pauses at a rapid pace with shattering sounds of broken glasses and sensual synthetic noises, etc. it's so NOT subtle m8. Arca is the least subtle composer in this whole scene...
>>66263184
this is the first good thread i've seen about this guys in a while
![arca[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/POKBxWE.jpg "arca[1].jpg")
>>66263944
lurk moar
Entranas is better than Mutant and Xen
>>66265976
Entra-what now?
>>66266021
https://soundcloud.com/arca1000000/entranas
>>66266053
the boy did it again
>>66265976
meh
only the second half is great when he starts "singing" in an haunting way
I'm so fucking HYPED for Reverie
lmao first these threads were opn circlejerks, then ferraro circlejerks, and now theyre arca cirlejerks
>>66266310
thieving bastard :(
>>66260819
>>66266310
who the fuck buys cassettes? you deserve to be robbed 2bh
>>66261188
theyre butt buddies. make love not war.
can someone explain to me the appeal of Babyfather - BBF Hosted by DJ Escrow??! i don't get those weak beats & lazy compositions : is that just a post-ironical joke?
>>66266707
It's supposed to make you proud to be British
>>66259394
everybody who shits on blunt just hasnt heard the redeemer yet.
theres no way you can finish that album and not think hes a god.
>>66266741
I'm French tho... i guess I'll never get it
>>66266774
>>66266564
they all look like slobs
is there any /fit/ weird frontier musician?
>>66266774
he just makes really fucking great vibe music. i think ppl try to get too cerebral with his stuff in order to crack some code or find out some hidden intentions when they should just feel it desu
>>66266891
>his husbando isn't a qt slob
faggot
>>66266774
I don't think Blunt is bad, actually Black Metal is one of my favorites, but he's just not as good as the other three
>>66266891
dean isn't fat
>>66266707
it's mocking uk hip hop artist and nationalist
escrow represents a pirate radio who has his own problems at home but still has some kind of hope his "message" of being positive and weak rhymes will somehow give him success.
The art cover and stealth intro's and noise bits crack at the brexit folks who are promising the future generations something that will never come. the album cover of the hoverboard on top of the build makes that loud and clear. since in the past we thought hoverboards would be more than shitty scooters
overall the concept is good. the music itself besides couple songs is blunts weakest.
>>66260063
This. I'd rather have a nice car than weed
pic related needs to start getting added to these thread's header images
>>66267207
<3 qt talented tranny/10
>>66267207
demon queen was really good.
>>66260111
statements like this make me sad. it's like a blind person saying sight is overrated because he doesn't have it.
>>66263552
You don't understand you fucking retar. Music is garbage if you can't 100% precisely describe it in words.
>>66267299
"Writing about music is like dancing about architecture"
quote by some guy
What does everyone think of One Nation?
>>66267526
3rd fav hw besides untitled and find out what happens
Blunt shakes his head and laughs. “The devil known as Hippos In Tanks man,” he marvels. “Satan himself.” Hippos In Tanks was hypnagogic pop’s Altamont, a label that functioned as a high paying lightning rod for major thinkers like Blunt, James Ferraro and Daniel Lopatin of Games and Oneohtrix Point Never, while giving them access to visions of the kind of dark Babylonian capital and debauch that their music had previously only imagined.
"They was the ones who brought James and I together," Blunt explains. "But that man is the fucking devil. Shit goes wrong but I just remember a lot of weed and a lot of signing, no lawyers to look over it and I had to pay a lot of money to get them off my arse."
"They hooked us up with a gig at the 50th Birthday party of the guy who made e-cigarettes," he recalls. "He just got divorced from his wife and so he thought The Redeemer was helping him or something. He had this huge mansion in Fort Lauderdale in Florida, and James and I played at it, just non-stop white powder truth sessions. He had paramedics bringing us IV drips so we could keep going. Then on day two he had this thing called Fifty Is My Fantasy where he hired a bunch of ladies of the night and he rented this island and all his friends turned up and they basically ran through the forest hunting these women down like dogs. The whole thing was hooked up for us by Hippos In Tanks, it was fucking intense and all the time they were chasing these women, they were playing Billy Joel really loud across a PA system. It was totally surreal and kind of fucking disgusting really, but it was powerful, you know? Certain things are just bigger than judgement.”
>>66267658
lmao dean is a great storyteller
>>66266915
Normally I disagree with dismissing music as just being music for itself, but that's really the only way to appreciate Dean. Dude makes some nice music, but I see people trying to tie in the rise of PR and the psychoanalytic tradition of marketing and trying to staple it onto a Fleetwood Mac sample with some karaoke over it and it just doesn't stick. His solo work has a little more depth to it than HW, but I don't feel like he belongs with the rest in anything other than general aesthetic and label relations. At least not as much as >>66267207 - American Drift has more depth to it than Dean's entire career. Still love him though
Is he a genius?
>>66267846
I think so
>>66266298
so now we gotta do blunt next i guess
OH SHIT ITS THAT NIGGA DEAN
>>66267934
Nobody actually likes meme blunt
>>66259394
Ive seen this thread for months now and I can already name 3/4 of them
no idea who the black guy is though
>>66267833
nah blunt still belongs because his vibe still has alot of cultural references layed in his lyrics and titles whatnot
I mean the freaking stealth intro is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziTRpJy2g2o a craig david speech
clever guy
elysia is great also. but If anything i think blunt has mastered the art of making highbrow art accessible to the layman.
>>66267962
:(
dean is brutally underrated in these threads desu
>>66267962
i do
>>66263111
>Alot of these live shows within that scene will be taking top 40 pop vocals and mixing it with violent screams of people dying or being tortured
Shout us a link pls senpai
>>66267230
You mean Demon City ? New Crampton leaked ?
the redeemer is fantastic, definitely the best album any of these four ever released
>implying celtics fans are capable of rational thought, let alone making music
>>66269027
>sports
sudoku yourself my man
>>66269563
>basement dweller detected
>>66268376
yeah its on slsk
>>66268991
black metal is better desu senpai
>>66269586
epic broooo xD *high fives*
>>66269606
how good is it? better than American Drift??
>>66267207
thisssssss
>>66267846
what the fuck man
It looks like the left side of his face is a painting but right is irl
>>66270140
imo it is but i've only giving it 3 listens
>>66267846
he looks like a pug
>>66271060
a cute pug?
if opn is this generations aphex does that make ferraro scanner
>>66271754
amnesia scanner is this generations scanner ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k96vf9DkPjI
>>66272533
eh it's okay
>>66271754
Who is Blunt? I legitimately cannot think of a comparison.
>>66271754
Squarepusher
>>66272764
fuck no lol
this new elysia crampton album is really fucking good
>>66272939
is it better than american drift? thought that was okay but i didn't really get the hype.
>>66273161
Blows it out of the fucking water. I wasn't that impressed with American Drift, only liked the last two songs, but this is much better imo
>>66273161
i'd say it's as good as american drift
>>66273838
Can anyone upload Demon City to mega? No luck with the slsk
>>66274033
http://www61.zippyshare.com/v/UlrcXNTN/file.html
too lazy 2 mega
>Elysia crampton- Demon city
Experimental reggaeton,trap
>>66272939
gracias
I didn't realize this leaked like three weeks early
>>66273161
Just finished it
Much better than AD
>>66274181
Thank you so much! You just made my evening.
>>66274181
just finished listening to it, really nice
