88 Key mono midi edition
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what's mono midi?
>>66256815
it's a shitty format for 80s budget keyboards with slow processors
>>66256815
>>66256827
but it's making a comeback, mono midi signals means lower latency for bigger setups
>>66256815
meme
>>66256887
aaayyyy
for a long time i have been adding a heavy amount of multiband compression to my master track just to beef up everything and make everything gel.
But i've noticed doing this makes it difficult to adjust the overall mix later on. LIke if i lower the kick just a bit (or anything for that matter), it can drastically change the mix due to the amount of compression happening on the master.
should i not do the multiband on the master and instead try to get everything 'beefed up' as individual tracks? if so, how do you make everything gel?
This isn't my song in particular, it's a friend's of mine. He recorded everything himself without any knowledge of what he was doing, and I just mixed and mastered it. It's supposed to KIND OF sound lo-fi but not TOO lo-fi, that'what he was going for. With that in mind, what do you guys think either of us could improve on?
>https://clyp.it/y5yui1il
[spoiler]It's about heroin lel.[/spoiler]
>>66257031
my master bus is always empty until the very last stage where I simulate a typical mastering chain on it so I can make some final tweaks to the mix to make sure it will work in the mastering.
I heavily use busses, though. usually I go with the typical quad bus thingy, means I set up four groups of main busses that glue together things that belong together, in most cases it's: 1. percussive stuff, 2. melodic stuff, 3. harmonic stuff, 4. FX
so everything drums, bass, funky attacky guitars and so on go to the first bus, vocals and leads to the second one, pads and other comping to the third and so on
glue compressing these parts together based on their function in the track works pretty well with the typical bus compressors like the api 2500 or ssl bus
multiband compression is a great tool to solve certain problems, but can be easily overused especially on busses. use as needed
>>66257106
Oh on a side note (and also a bump), here's some of my personal stuff. Might be more /prod/'s speed.
>https://clyp.it/vswrpfki
>>66257106
nice job. sounds crisp and clean...maybe a little too clean? it might just be the reverb doing that, maybe it's little too spacey/large?
i think your friend could do a little better on the vocals, specifically the parts when he falls out of key. I understand this is probably intentional, but it's happening too much i think, kinda loses the believability in his voice if you know what i mean. The lyrics are really really great, but i think there needs to be more confidence in his voice, especially the chorus. I think having him belt it out in full voice could really help.
>Half dead
i know this is about heroin, but i think this would emote better if this was thought of as a broken heart...really need to feel that "i'm half dead" pain.
>half asleep
got that vibe pretty well, but needs to sounds more aggravated i think.
>you'll never hear from me
there needs to be more strain here, "you'll never hear from me" implies the other person won, he is defeated and reluctantly giving up
Filter plug ins worth stealing?
>>66257331
>it might just be the reverb doing that, maybe it's little too spacey/large?
I think that's just how it was recorded. Pretty sure he recorded it in a large room. The instability in his voice was intentional. The reason he lacks "confidence" in his voice is because he was actually on heroin when he was recording it. That's the way he wanted to do it. Think John Frusciante's solo stuff.
The "other person" is the drug itself. Not an actual person.
Would it sound better if I dulled the high end a little bit? Maybe add some tape saturation?
>>66257471
yeah maybe do that... or just dull the high end on the sides and leave the middle.
>>66257575
There wasn't really much of a stereo image so only lowering the highs on the side didn't really do too much but I did what I could. Also added some tape saturation. Sounds more "bedroom recording" now, which is what he wanted.
>https://clyp.it/qqmy54uw
made this thread before this was posted or I saw this ->>66256765
but is it a good midi pad if I want something simple to make drums tracks with for hip/triphop and house? My only other controller is a korg microkey 2. What are some things I should know about midipads in general to? I've only made midis in tuxguitar and applied vsts to them
>>66257359
none. whatever proprietary plugin you have is good enough honestly. I think that filter/filterdrive units need to be hardware. they just respond to volume levels in ways that software has difficulty, especially given weird headrooms in software.
>>66257790
bump
Been a while since I've been here, got lost in finishing an album. Has the wiki been disowned or something?
>>66258150
Poorfags will get very mad at this post.
Is there an easy way to convert a bunch of wav files to 44.1k 16bit?
>>66259401
the 'quick convert' function in f2k is pretty powerful and easy
>>66257331
>>66257575
Here's another one that's a little more upbeat.
why are cirklons so hard to find?
is an octatrack a better choice?
I need a sequencer pls help
I have a few synths but I'm lacking a sequencer
I make mostly bleeps and "electronica"
>>66260152
>why are cirklons so hard to find?
So few made, high price
>octatrack
More of a sampler, not sure on the sequencing abilities
What kind of things do you want to sequence? Do you want to program with keys or on the unit itself?
>>66260152
Aren't cirklons made to order?
The OT sequencer is decent, but kinda sucks at the same time. It's 4 notes polyphony per track, you can assign multiple tracks to the same synth for more if you want. Your best bet is to just use a computer though, non analog hw sequencers are dated.
>>66260261
OT is a sampling groovebox/looper type of thing. It has 8 tracks of machines and 8 tracks of midi sequencing. It's hard to describe what the OT is because you can use it in a ton of different ways. You can use it as a 4 channel mixer/fx box if you want.
>>66260261
It has a sampler yah but I was eyeing to load drum samples on it so I can get rid of my drum machine. I don't really spend a lot of time making crazy drums anyway
Mainly to program on the unit itself, and maybe somehow map some of my synth controls in either the sequencer or some other controller...
>>66260266
oh ok, thought so. and yeah, it does have some limitations but I can get around the 4 notes thing. Thing is, I don't want to use my computer anymore, at least not for the sequencing. I know ableton is a very capable DAW, I've been using it for years. I want to move away from it as far as arranging/sequencing a track
>>66260435
What drum machine ya got?
>>66261038
electribe
https://clyp.it/hq02il2d
thoughts please
>>66261743
>>66260435
>>66260152
they don't make too many great midi hardware sequencers anymore. The beatstep pro is pretty impressive for a step sequencer. Beyond that you can find some great older stuff for pretty cheap.
Check out the emu command stations.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJgq-bZ2Y_A
genre/rom based groove boxes, but with a really great onboard sequencer and tons of programmable midi knobs. I used to have a xl-7 as my main sequencer for all my gear.
the yahmaha rm1x is also good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_kkHL5tz4s
Roland's grooveboxs are pretty good too, but i don't remember good they were for sequencing external synths.
Question...
How great is the difference in quality between vocals recorded in a proper soundproofed studio, and vocals recorded in an untreated bedroom with the windows/doors closed?
I'm aware that room ambience or background noise/buzz will be picked up in the recording, but let's say I remove the bulk of that from the vocals using a program. Would a studio-recorded vocal still be significantly superior to that in terms of audio quality? And if so....how/why?
>>66263932
Its the early reflections that you are usually trying to avoid. Just think about all the times you have heard some person on youtube and the audio is shit- you can tell they are in an untreated room, Same idea.
The good news is, your average bedroom with carpet, a bed, a bunch of random shit lying all over the place is a better scenario than a near-empty room- the worst possible scenario.
Despite being a drum demonstration, you can see what profound effect dampening the reflections in a room can have on the signal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cp56A6TcL1E
>>66257359
Waves Metafilter, Fabfilter Volcano, or use the filters in kontakt (they are fuckin great).
>>66259302
I know I did. I got so mad, I deleted all my fruit loops
anyone want to trade invites to torrenting sites?
>>66257282
hmm, thanks for the input...i actually do it kind of similar already. except i bus to 5 groups then down to 2 then to master/stereo bus. I guess I have never really known at what stage to add the compression and how much...
Do you only do compression at the bus stages?
are you also compressing the individual recorded tracks before they get to the bus?
I've never tried those bus compressors you mentioned, only native ableton compressors. I'll have to check them out.
>>66264483
i mean 6 groups, not 5
>>66264483
of course I process individual signals where needed and this often includes both the dynamic control you get from compression and the 'color'. And then there's a lot more busses to compress on the way to the four main busses, for example a drum bus needs (parallel) compression in most cases, backing vocals need to be grouped, and so on
IMO: just don't overdo it, no matter how many or how few compressors are involved in the mix. lots of subtle control on all the single stages of the mix > one master compressor pumping hard
well unless that's the sound you want, of course then it's legit
>>66257790
i like this one better
>>66262887
thank you, I'll check those ones out
Posted my first jam of my modular /hardware set up today.... any advice from experience eurorack people?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHEIrWcIJEI
I'm looking for a good sequencer as well. the korg sq-1 is just ok.
>>66265527
Juicy
>>66265527
omg that eurorack sounds incredible. whats the make?>>?
Can you rec me any VST synths that can sound vintage and analog, but are actually really flexible?
I love Charlatan or TAL U-NO, but I'm starting to feel really constrained.
>>66265527
sounds cool
i recently got into eurorack too, but i don't have a full case yet haha. I have a beatstep, which i think is about the same as your sq-1. have you looked at a beatstep pro? or even better, a Make Noise Rene...
I need some cheap-ish headphones (around 100 bucks) for general /prod/uction, what would you guys recommend?
>>66266162
Sony MDR V6 all day
I think i've got the arrangement down. still looking for a good lead vocal, that is why it sounds kinda empty
https://clyp.it/profile
opinions so far?
>>66266514
>>66266514
wrong link
https://clyp.it/xhnor0t4
>>66266130
just learn how to use them
Anybody know a good DAW? I wanna make goth, Post-Punk, Dark Wave, and Ethereal Wave.
>>66267073
There aren't really better DAWs it depends of how your conceive music
If you can grab cubase it could be adapted but honestly search for a few of the big names and see which interface looks the clearer for you i'd say
>>66267241
Well IMO the current edition of Garageband sucks, I'm looking for something more extensive and versatile.
>>66266130
Diva sounds pretty good to me in that regard. Also Bazille.
>>66267329
If you are already familiar with garageband, then moving to logic should be relatively smooth. Logic has great built in fx, too.
They are all good though, pretty much.
does prod have a tip for having kick drums stick out or bump more? even when i side chain compressed the bass it still feels small and doesnt bump. i've even layered it with a sub kick but it doesn't make a difference. the only way to have the kick drums sound right is lower everything to fuckin cricket levels.
also have another problem. for some reason i have to have my computer volume at about 60-70 just h=to hear shit in ableton. how do i fix this?
>>66268438
good compression and transient shaping
also leave some space for it in your spectrum
>>66268438
#1 prod tip that nobody on here follows, if a drum sounds bad use another one, if it still sounds bad then try another one, if it still sounds bad after checking 2 different ones than it's probaly not the drum.
>>66268494
Good points. Everyone acts like they are stuck using hardware drum machines that have one kick sound.
>>66265706
it's the pittburgh moduler foundatiion
>>66268494
ive already tried that. it's like everything else just overpowers it even when the volume on those tracks is lowered. only way to have unch through the mix is to have them BARELY clipping. i always have this roblem with kicks drums i want th to stick out but almost every synth over powers the even with light side compression
>>66268937
You could try layering several kicks
Which VST synth would you recommend for IDM/glitch?
korg minilogue or dsi prophet 08
cant fucking decide
prophet 08 is clearly better but 3x the price better idk...
Ok. Is there anyone here who has used both the Maschine Studio and a Push 1 or 2? I'm getting tired of trying to find an easy way to complete a song, since Maschine doesn't have an arrangement mode and I'm thinking Push might be a better option for me.
Do the two hardware units work at all well together? Am I being stupid and just not finding an easy way to integrate Maschine into a DAW?
https://clyp.it/rven2cgb
wip
>>66269630
Mopho x4
The sub oscillators are a nice addition, plus you can add a tetr4 and make it more than a prophet 08
The minilogue looks neat, but I think you should wait until the price drops to get one. Minikeys are fine for monos, but I don't like them for polys.
>>66269775
You know maschine runs as a plug in in your DAW right?
>>66270733
Yes, but it has made no sense to me. I might be over thinking it though.
>>66266130
Reaktor blocks, build your own synths using the incredible sounding Monark blocks
>>66270210
compositionally its good, as a whole it sounds publishable
not experienced enough with mixing to comment on that though.
i feel like you should push it even further at the end of section 2 of 3, and develop it even more, texturally, before you finally back off in section 3. tension and release, i believe you can push it further
im a fan, where can i follow you?
>>66270822
I can't really help you then. I set mine up with multiple outs in logic when I first got it, but I've not used it inside logic since. I must be a freak but I absolutely love using the Maschine software. I tend to use it with my monitor off most of the time and work from the controller. It's always a bit more basic than running a proper daw but I always seem to find an easy work around for what I need if it's not obvious in Maschine?
What are you trying to do in Maschine that you want to do in your daw?
>>66270822
I'd imagine most people either just work inside Maschine or get the basics of a track down and then export the audio to your daw to finish off. Exporting the audio is easy and then you can arrange it how you want in your DAW.
I fall more in love with my Maschine studio everytime I use it. For a long time everytime I was using it I'd be trying to work how to do something that I was used to doing in my daw, but I think I'm finally getting past that stage and getting to know it much more intimately. The biggest thing for me was having the option of working in the software on my computer as it kinda defeats the point of the studio hardware, once I got the hang of turning the monitor off and working out to do everything from the hardware my workflow has sped up so much.
Stick with it anon.
>>66271230
idk what u mean by section 2 of 3 desu.
my sc is:
https://soundcloud.com/theloungersz
>no spoilers on /mu/ still
baka
>>66271230
I also just noticed I uploaded the wrong wip...
I'm too lazy to upload the right one desu unless u wanna hear it
https://clyp.it/ystszimu
just started this a few hours ago
general thoughts?
also does the high end on the kick sound flimsy?
>>66260152
maschine studio or ableton push (if you use ableton obv)
>>66271507
section one drums -- 0:00
section two chord prog -- 2:15
section three outro -- 4:30
>>66271583
upload it man
>>66266514
>>66266541
No bass, weak kick. But what else is new, this is /prod/
>>66272208
Try listening on something other than laptop speakers
>>66272245
beyerdynamic DT-770s nigger try again
>>66272273
Figures that you would have those memephones
>>66266541
hard to give advice, i dont really connect with this kind of music
>>66271807
there's a musical idea there, but the combination of patches/samples you've used don't seem to work together. keep tinkering with it
https://clyp.it/xffmobzz
i can get a skeleton arrangement down, but polish is difficult. general thoughts? mix advice?
>>66272382
What do you call this style of music?
>>66272472
i have no idea
sample is from 'sega sunset' by lorn, maybe i'm channelling a bit of him
>>66272311
ok so i can't tell the difference between a good mix and a bad mix beyond a minimum threshold
what is there on the web to train your ears in how to mix?
>>66273287
I have no idea if there is a place to train your ears, but just listen to your favorite albums and try to make your mix sound similar to it. It takes practice.
>>66272382
Kek this is shit
