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/prod/ - zynthesizer edition
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyMZ2vV0zqg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atvtBE6t48M
Does anyone have that program that plays notes really fast so you can get a pseudo poly effect out of a mono midi cable?
Should I fix the MC-303 someone gave me or just trade it for a Volca or something
Will romplers make a comeback once the analog craze is over?
What's a good cheap-ish midi controller? I only really want one for synth VSTs and shit like that but it'd be cool if it had pads too--something like the MPK25 but better i guess.
>>66182690
I don't really see why the analog gear craze would end. Software is getting better and better, there really isn't a point to buying digital synths unless you play live.
>>66182710
Just get the cheapest one you can find that suits your needs, as long as it's class-compliant (99% are) you should be fine.
But if you use ableton the automap function on the launchkey is heavenly
>>66182787
I've been using Reaper cus it's easiest but I wanna switch to Ableton soon so I'll keep that in mind ;^)
>>66182729
I know analog is not going anywhere, but maybe the 90s trance/big beat comes back in style and the 303 and Xtreme Lead1 (just to mention the two most 90s sounding pieces of gear I had) start raising their value.
After all, Grimes uses a fucking GAIA, a synth nobody wanted 5yrs ago and now hipsters praise it
might post some snippets from my Mopho x4 today after work.
It has this weird issue where it goes like a 1/4 tone flat if I touch the pitch wheel, so I think DSI is going to send me a replacement wheel.
>>66182331
Do you mean a mono synth?
>>66183089
No it's a polysynth, but I only have a mono midi cable atm.
Should I get an Alesis Multimix? It's the firewire model, I found one for kind of cheap
>>66183101
>mono midi cable
wut?
>>66183177
It's kinda uncommon/rare. It was to reduce latency on like shitty mid 80s stuff with slow processors.
>>66183177
Forced meme.
Don't believe a word he says. >>66183264
>>66183264
That's got nothing to do with the cable though. it's a hardware thing.
>>66183436
DIN is a meme to right?
>>66183488
should have specified it's a serial to mono midi computer cable
https://clyp.it/4ihcfjek
can I get a second opinion on this mix?
>>66184177
are the hi hats too loud?
i'm in headphones so you know..fukn kill me heh he
>>66182710
I use an MPK mini
8 pads, 8 knobs, 25 keys, $99
>>66183177
>>66184266
How is it? I've been looking at getting one
>>66185084
No complaints. Does what I need it to, lots of versatility. It's definitely a jack of all, master of none thing given that it has half the pads of an mpc and only 25 keys but that's more than enough to produce some bangin tunes.
My sole complaint is that the joystick thing that functions as a mod wheel doesnt have the smoothest action.
>>66184177
>are the hi hats too loud?Your Hi hats sound fine to me off my laptop speakers, but I'd consider adding more texture to it. It's pleasant, but doesn't have a whole lot of character
Help me out prodders.
Which of these versions is better and why? My ears are tired.
https://clyp.it/pnafugxb
https://clyp.it/navo33b0
Does anyone here have experience with Novation products? I heard they were good, and I can find some good deals for them on my local Craigslist. I heard the impulse series is superior to the launchkey series. There's also some 'nova' series keyboards up for tempting prices that look good, but they were more expensive.
To clarify, the keyboards I was looking at were:
Novation Mininova + vocoder (37-key)
Novation Ultranova keyboard (seemingly including the vocoder and 37-key)
Novation Impulse 25-key
Novation Impulse 49-key
I looked at some Alesis keyboards a while back, but can't find any on CL now. As I see it, Korg is very expensive, and Akai is slightly overpriced.
I would appreciate input on this, or simply some recommendations beyond "buy an MPK Mini". I'm just sick of not being able to make anything because of not having a keyboard, but not buying anything because the keyboard market is difficult for me to read. I don't mind shelling out for quality, but I don't need the creme de la creme, nor do I want cheap, poor quality equipment.
>>66186523
Just buy an MPK mini stepfam
>>66186561
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
>>66185302
the second one but you need to work on your build it goes on just a bit too long
>>66186523
What's wrong with buying an MPK mini
>>66182313
Where can I aquire this model Buchlabox?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JzOV1MjhJE
prod whats the best way to learning ableton? Should i watch all of sadowicks videos or do the lynda tutorials? Or should i just fuck around until i get it?
>>66186829
Fuck around duh.
>>66186728
It's probably fine, but I would want to invest my money in something better. I don't think I would be satisfied with one. There are alternative keyboards that have more functions and seem to have better build qualities.
It's like getting a guitar. I'd rather get a decent guitar now by spending a little more than what I would have spent on an inferior one, then upgrading to said decent one later. I would have a better experience for less total expenditure.
>>66186956
I'd see your point if the MPK mini were a piece of shit like a $99 guitar would be, but they're pretty solid units at one hell of a price, so
>>66186700
Thanks for listening pham.
That intro ain't gettin' any shorter tho.
>>66186786
Looks like a 200 series. You'll just have to find a collector and spend $x0,000 to get one
>>66187030
I don't believe I said the Akai brand wasn't solid, just overpriced (though admittedly, the MPK mini is a well-priced exception).
>I'm just sick of not being able to make anything because of not having a keyboard, but not buying anything because the keyboard market is difficult for me to read.
another suggestion here
Roland/Eridol midi controllers tend to be fantastic.
>>66187030
no... mpk mini is literal shit quality , anything is better
>>66187278
Do you have anything to suggest? Any comments about those Novation series keyboards I listed, or Novation as a brand?
>>66187278
Nah, thanks for the shitpost though
>>66187334
not that anon but http://www.roland.com/products/a-88/specifications/
>>66187362
I likely won't play anything like a traditional piano, so I don't think I would need a full size keyboard. Space itself might show to be an issue in such a case too. Don't all those knobs and wheels provided in many MIDI keyboards offer a lot of variety in music production as well? I should have specified that I'm looking for a MIDI keyboard.
Thanks for the suggestion.
>>66186523
I've got a MiniNova. I'm pretty happy with it, although I wouldn't say I'm an authority on synth equipment.
Only flaw I would say is that, at least in my set up, there seems to be a bit of recording delay, so I usually have to move tracks back like a quarter second. But, there's probably a way to offset that that I don't know.
>>66182313
why this beat is so comfy? i could listen to instrumental hip hop all night
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVaqc8eQ2YQ
>>66187534
I'm tempted to pick it up just because I've found a good price for it, and like it offers a lot. I imagine a delay would push your work back a lot, though.
Do you use the vocoder? I'm given the impression that I would just screw with it once or twice, then go back to just using everything else unless I was making weird sound effects.
Isn't it powered and connected solely through a single USB plug?
>>66187534
>move tracks back like a quarter second
in most daws there a way to adjust for that delay so it records on time.
>>66187778
The delay isnt bad. And its not noticeable while playing and recording, its just the track may be a little off on playback.
I don't really use the vocoder much. Its fun, and has a fair bit of options. But, I only use to goof around or just map out vocals on some tracks. I don't see it as a great too for recording actual vocals.
Needs to plugged in outlet.
>>66187910
I've got ableton. I've assumed so, I just never took time to learn how.
I want to switch from analog to digital, should I get Ableton or Reaper?
>>66187278
Going to concur here. I have one that hasn't been used in like 3 years.
>>66187943
Do you know about the Ultranova? I just found one online which includes the vocoder and bag for $350 shipped. Any opinions between that and a mininova? There's a mininova in my local CL with a vocoder for $200 OBO.
>>66188041
The mini 2 (current model) is streets ahead of the one you've got in terms of quality
>>66182331
>>66183264
>>66183101
>>66183767
god, mono midi guy, you are terminally unfunny
>>66188361
>implying its one person
>>66188040
memes aside
reaper if you're a jew
ableton if you make complicated electronic tunes/you can afford it
doesn't matter in the end
>>66188537
kek
>>66188537
I'm not a jew reaper just seems easier :^(
I'll just torrent ableton I guess, I'm sure there are more tutorials for it too considering how many ppl make electronic music now
>>66188683
>I'm not a jew
>I'll just torrent
>>66188763
;^0
But if I was a jew I'd actually have money ya dingus
>>66188255
So they got rid of the minikeys, expanded it to more than 25 keys, and added real pitch and mod wheels?
>>66189197
Why the fuck did you ever buy one in the first place if these were your concerns
Does /prod/ have an IRC? Are there any other /mu/ IRCs related to music production?
What are some /prod/ recommended albums? I want to gain a better understanding of music by listening.
>>66189197
None of that has anything to do with the build quality which is what was being discussed
>>66189353
Got it for $20 and it fit in my backpack. Turns out that wouldn't make me use it.
>>66189445
I was simply agreeing with the dude about how it sucks.
>>66189413
UGK - Self titled. The drum programming is better than a lot of mediocre IDM albums.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32epQgWiGJo
>>66189494
Except we were talking about build quality and you're talking about design
What you did is like walking into a discussion about some artist's lyrics and going "yeah totally man I hate their production it's awful" and then acting like you contributed meaningfully to to conversation
Either way though if you can't make tunes with a mini, it's you that sucks, not the tool
Post battle stations
Got a couple more synths and various hardware but this is my current setup
>>66189582
>Either way though if you can't make tunes with a mini, it's you that sucks, not the tool.
So now you're doing the same exact thing you whine about me doing?
I said I agree with the dude that it sucks, not that I can't make music. Learn some reading comprehension, and don't get so whiny when somebody doesn't like the things that you like. Just because you don't like how people have differing opinions doesn't mean you need to sperg out when they bring them up.
>>66189685
>Aussie
Yea m8, fucking top stuff innit
>>66189719
Your complaints are all related to design and the obvious implication is that you don't feel a mini has the tools you need to make music with, to which I say: it is you that sucks, not the tool. Stay mad tho.
>>66189866
brb guize, trading my 88 keys for a mini to prove to myself and internet strangers that i'm gud at music
fuck this place is dumb sometimes lol
>>66189866
>>66189893
stop it mom and dad you're tearing this family apart
>>66189893
If you complain about a midi controller only having 25 keys, you're admitting that you can't get the job done with 25 keys, i.e. you suck.
Sorry stepfam, that's just how it be
>>66189866
There you go again bringing up things that have nothing to do with the discussion.
It sucks, stay mad that people will continue to point that out, and how your only argument is that I suck because I don't like what you like. It really says more about you than it says about my skill.
>>66189950
Lmao, not even the same guy. Just stop before you make yourself look even more stupid.
I'm doing you a favor at this point by telling you how stupid you look when your only argument is "hurr you must suck if 25 keys isn't enough"
I just wanted a keyboard, not a civil war.
>>66189998
Dude, never piss off the minikey daw warriors, they're the ones that shitpost the most when people don't do it their way.
You basically started it when you mentioned you didn't want the most budget keyboard on the market.
>>66189950
>you're admitting that you can't get the job done with 25 keys
no you're not lol, i could use my daw with a 25 key or even without any midi controllers, i just dont because why the fuck would i?
>>66189955
Its nothing to do with what I like. If you can't get the job done with 25 keys, you suck at making music; that's just a fact.
You're getting really mad and defensive about this, so I think you already knew that on some level
>>66190068
>get the job done
why are you so obsessed with this phrase?
>>66190068
So if I don't like having only 25 keys, I suck at music? Doesn't it usually go the other way around? As in wanting more keys is a sign that your keyboard proficiency has exceeded the limits of the keyboard.
It's nice that you've finally figured out how to make a umad argument though. It's cute to see how you can't help yourself from replying even though you're outnumbered.
>yet again /prod/ waylaid by a child who thinks their uninformed and irrelevant opinion is somehow pearls before swine
>>66182910
no one praises gaia lol
>>66190034
Now I'm even less sure of what to get. I've been on the fence so long I'm close to dropping the ball and heading home.
"This mininova looks good. Oh, but I can get the ultra for a good price point too. It's better, isn't it? I could probably go with those little keys in the mini, but apparently the larger keys are easier/better to work with, right? Oh, but apparently the ultra has a worse vocoder, doesn't have an arpeggiator, and has inferior knobs to the mini which improves on those negatives. Though, isn't that more of a personal preference thing? Wait, someone said to get some 88 key roland. I don't even think I can fit that in my room."
That's an example of my thought process, and in the end, I have solved less problems than I have made.
>>66190247
He's just sticking up for the guys who want to post their soundcloud man.
kek all these autists getting this mad
>someone actually bought a DAW
lol
you ever went to for example native instruments hq?
you wouldn ever feel bad about pirating if uve seen how much of a corpo shits they are
>>66190260
wiccans do... or whichever weird religion the whole gaia thing is from
>>66190300
i'm not the minikey guy, i was one of the people telling him he was an idiot
>>66190289
Ignore the haters, get an mpk
>>66190205
Why is this the case for keyboards, but when it comes to guitar, playing with more than six strings is mocked viciously?
>>66190289
Dude, just get something you can live with and don't look back.
>>66190397
Because standard pianos have 88 keys, like standard guitars have 6. It's the deviation that drives autists bonkers.
>>66190334
I did, although I waited until I was earning money from music to do it. It felt wrong to be making a profit from software I hadn't paid for.
>>66190289
IMHO:
Ultra has great keys, minikeys suck for anything velocity related, so keep that in mind.
In my past experience, minikeys are fine for monophonic stuff but my fingers are too big for polyphonic minikey playing, I get too many extra notes.
Idk about the specs of both synths, I only played an unltranova floor model for about 10 minutes like 4 years ago. It sounded good, better than a microkorg.
As per midi controllers, 49 and 61 seem to be the sweet spot for dedicated keyboard controllers for full sized keys. They hardly make 72 and 76 key models anymore, and 88 is just too damn huge unless it's actually an acoustic piano.
Arpeggiators are great fun, but make sure you're informed. I don't really like having a monophonic arpeggiator on a polyphonic synth, to me it seems like you're wasting voices.
That said, get either nova, I'm sure you'll be happy with it. It's a lot of fun, compared to buying a controller and realizing everything is the same but now you have keys and can work faster.
>>66190442
I think the difference here is that, like a 1 string guitar, your performance of complex pieces is severely hindered by a lack of keys.
If you're playing a 4 note melody into your daw which you'll quantize anyway a 25 key controller is more than adequate.
>>66190442
>It's the deviation that drives autists bonkers
nobody hates things for the sole reason of being different
>>66190442
Yeah but what electronic/hip-hop producer really needs a full 88-key setup just to lay down grooves that rarely span more than 3 octaves, tops?
Like if you're an actual pianist I get it but otherwise insisting on 88 for production seems just as pretentious and faggy as those neckbeards who insist they need 8 strings to make their shitty djent recordings
>>66190527
but you can still play a 4 note melody in a 1 string guitar
6 strings btfo
Production is tough. I hope you guys are doing well right now.
>>66190552
That guy didn't specify hip-hop and electronic.
Maybe he wanted to play with more than one hand on the keys.
>>66190486
>Ultra has great keys, minikeys suck for anything velocity related, so keep that in mind.
Would you clarify what you mean by "velocity related"?
>As per midi controllers, 49 and 61 seem to be the sweet spot for dedicated keyboard controllers for full sized keys.
The Ultra has 37 full-sized keys. Do you think this would hold me back? I could get, say, a Novation Impulse 49 for a bit more than the mininova.
What do you use now?
>>66190645
>That guy didn't specify hip-hop and electronic.
This is /prod/
>>66189685
what are you using for sequencing?
>>66190717
If you don't know what he means in regards to velocity you're putting the cart before the horse worrying about losing a few keys tbqh.
I apologize for actually continuing this conversation, but If you are interested in Kontakt libraries / orchestral libraries, then having at least 61 keys will increase convenience, as many keyswitches for the instruments are on a low octave vs the actual playable notes.
Of course, you can draw those keyswitches in manually, but it does increase productivity for me, at least.
I will add that I own the MPK61, and one of the original selling points for me was "wow it would be really neat to have pads, as well as faders". Well, a few years later here is the verdict:
The pads on the MPK61 at least are almost entirely unusable. You have to be the fucking terminator to trigger them. And forget trying to record fine velocity differences. I assumed that the company that made the fucking MPC would know how to execute pads, wrong. (now, some folks have told me this has been improved in the mini).
The faders do come in handy. It is cool that you can remap the midi CCs for each fader, and create presets. This is a must have feature, that I'm sure other brands have as well. I can setup presets that have my go-to modulation for various synths already tied into the faders and knobs. Useful.
I'm also a big proponent of having an expression pedal. Don't cheap out on this, anything you step on all the time needs to be of good build quality. Its fun to have an 'extra modwheel' under your desk (note, by default these send midi on expression midi CC 11). Some orchestral instruments assume that you have one.
At the end of the day of course, it comes down to how much room you have on your desk, how much you are willing to pay. In the bottom tier price point, you should be most concerned with build quality more than anything. Just get one that doesn't feel like a cheap piece of shit.
>>66190717
>Would you clarify what you mean by "velocity related"?
Keyboard velocity is how hard you initially press the keys. For minikeys can there's less key travel, and consequently, less range of velocity values (still the same amount of values, just less room to cram them in). This makes patches dependent on velocity a bit choppier to play.
>do you think this would hold me back
Honestly, not too much. There may be some times where it's frustrating that you can't hold a bass note one one hand and play chords on the other, but you can always record to a DAW.
>what do you use now?
A lot of crap I'd rather not get into right now. The thread has gotten pretty shitposty, and it might spark more shit if I mention any gear that I use. I can say my largest midi controller is 76 keys, but I tend to use a 49 key more, because it's not fuckhueg.
>>66190788
yeah, all of those all-in-one midi controller keyboards are trash. You're better off getting independent devices for each thing, whether its pads, faders, transport, keys...
with that said, there aren't any good midi controller keyboards in the first place under $800. better to use actual hardware synths for a midi keyboard, their key beds are much better.
>>66190788
>I'm also a big proponent of having an expression pedal
Fucking this. I have a Roland stereo volume pedal that also has an expression out. Built like a tank, and plenty of I/O. I normally use it for my Hammond organ, but it's handy for anything, even guitar.
Whatever you do, don't buy the Moog EP-2 expression pedal, it's absolute trash.
>>66190944
>Spend thousands of dollars on equipment for your idle hobby
What are you, a dentist or something
>>66190944
>there aren't any good midi controller keyboards in the first place under $800
there are plenty of decent keys for under $800... and if you're saying not to buy all-in-ones i really have no fucking clue what you'd even be spending $800 on in a midi controller. just buy an electric piano with midi out for a couple hundred if you dont like the usual midi stuff, no need for this $800 nonsense
>>66190771
I know what key velocity is, but I don't understand how the velocity would be changed much simply by a size difference, assuming they have the same kind of weighting.
>>66190892
>For minikeys can there's less key travel
I should have considered that, good point.
I'd be working within a DAW, so I don't need a large keyboard. I just didn't know if 37 keys would suffice without forcing me to drop or raise scales often. I would probably be playing harmonies and melodies, bass, etc. separately.
I appreciate your time and input. I need to make the jump on a MIDI keyboard already, and it helps to have some constructive support. I think I might go for the 37-key ultranova, unless you have any other suggestions or notes to make.
>>66190944
> all of those all-in-one midi controller keyboards are trash.
I've been given that impression, which is why I wanted to avoid things like the MPK Mini in the first place. That's why I thought the mininova would have been a good investment originally, despite not having pads.
>>66190944
>>66190988
I can see how regular keyboards with midi support might offer better keys, but that makes me consider what music production features I would lose having just that.
>>66191193
>I can see how regular keyboards with midi support might offer better keys, but that makes me consider what music production features I would lose having just that.
really just knobs/sliders/pads, which i personally get on fine without. plus sometimes there's crazy deals on keyboards that people are getting rid of, like i got my 88 key roland e piano for $25 used, which is a pretty once in a lifetime deal, but i've seen other used casio/yamaha/etc stuff with velocity sensitive keys for pretty cheap too
>>66191193
Honestly, take everything you lead here with a grain of salt. It's like 70% shitposting here, but the other 30% tends to be solid stuff without bullshit attached.
My final advice is to go to a guitar center or Sam ash or whatever you have and try out as much as possible. Yes you'll fall in love with some $3000 gizmo that sounds amazing, but you can also compare key actions, and all that other mumbo jumbo.
You can also have your solice in that the consumer has much more power these days, if you're not satisfied, they'll make sure you are, or they'll refund you.
>>66191193
If you're wanting to record automation to your instruments as you play you'll want some pots and faders. Perhaps you'd even like transport control. If these are things you can live without (and it's certainly possible) then you're not missing anything and if you do feel that is the case after the fact one of the small novation controllers is perfectly suited for the task and cheap.
>>66191193
Most of the time faders and knobs on keyboards are fine. It's only the pads that suck.
If you want pads, just get a dedicated pad controller, but all of the other extras tend to be good.
>>66191293
I've seen some well-priced keyboards like you describe in my local classifieds, but most of them seem to be either too big (88 key) for my space or too old/abused. I think I could use some of the extra bells and whistles some midi keyboards provide too.
>>66191358
I think I will just go to a local store to try them out. I went before for that reason/, but I didn't know about specific models as much then.
>>66191422
>Automation
>Transport control
What do you mean by these things?
>>66191456
I was thinking about getting a dedicated pad controller in the future, so I didn't care about having, or otherwise really want pads on my keyboard. They don't seem to be very expensive, and I'd prefer to have nice ones if I had them.
>>66189685
ayyy senpai
>>66191570
automation in that context means the movement of parameters, like if you wanted to assign however many things to knobs/sliders and then record the modulation of those parameters. transport means the play/pause/stop/record/back/forward buttons that you see on controllers sometimes
>>66191627
fuck, forgot to post the reasonably sized one
>>66191627
Cool ゴジラ stuff man.
>>66190996
you can literally buy a used synth with a better keybed and even knobs/faders that transmit midi for less than a new midi keyboard controller.
>>66191627
omg too many keys kys desu famiglia
>>66191665
Pumped for Resurgence
>>66189685
Hows the system 1m?
Keep getting tempted by it but then put off at the fact its basically a vst housed in a dedicated controller...like any digital synth I guess. Is there anything you particularly like about it?
>>66191570
Recording automation while you play would involve assigning physical controls to parameters on your digital instrument. You can then twiddle knobs to alter the sound and those twiddlings are recorded too.
Transport controls are general playback controls. Play, stop, record, where you are in the track etc.
Both of these can be done in the software of course although live automation recording allows for much more versatile an expressive playing.
>>66191651
>comfy/10
Get some monitors man. I feel bad about seeing that comfy cove without some good monitors in there. Don't buy a synth next, get monitors. I hear that reputation is great for getting people to remember things, get some monitors.
>>66191649
>>66191724
From what I gather, automation and transport controls seem to be more conducive to live play, rather than regular workflow. Is that more or less accurate?
My biggest worry with any keyboard I would get is being stifled with my expression due to "incompatible" hardware.
>>66191714
I didn't even know a new one was coming out, sweet.
>>66189685
We have similar budgets it seems
>>66191814
I find transport controls super useful, when recording melodies and shit. Click Click Click, back to bar 4, hit record, woo, hit stop click click click now i'm at the next section, and my hands never left the keyboard.
Isn't there usually a pastebin in the OP?
>>66191703
:)
>>66191734
I'm saving up for it right now, but I'm pretty happy with just using headphones for now. Especially since my apartment's walls are paper thin and my neighbor's a bitch who looooves to call in noise complaints.
>>66191814
>Is that more or less accurate?
it's down to preference really, like i said before, i dont really care about sliders/knobs and tend to just do my automations with a mouse but some people like to use knobs/sliders in real time for programming theirs
>>66191888
when did you become an arca fanboi?
>>66191888
nice setup, what stand is that?
>>66191870
I wonder how much time that actually saves.
>>66191899
If I had sliders and knobs, I would utilize them, but probably still do some fine-tuning after I finish playing a segment. I imagine that would allow me to be accurate, yet follow a steady workflow. If my workflow could be fast and accurate enough with a PC keyboard and mouse, I would have pursued that more, but it's just not going to work for me.
What keyboards do you guys use?
>>66191993
Who?
>>66192025
Not sure, threw away the package and it doesn't seem to be labeled
>>66191689
>Buy used
What are you, a peasant or something
>>66192190
more deals for the rest of us, you pretentious doosh lol
>>66192381
>Paying for equipment sullied by the hands of others
>Playing music on an instrument the previous owner probably rubbed their genitals all over
You can keep your "deals", peasant
>>66192454
how do you know the factory workers or the sales associates didnt rub their genitals all over it? and who cares about people's hands? who are you, howie mandel?
>>66192532
>those mental gymnastics
kek
enjoy your secondhand rubbish, pauper
>>66192659
And enjoy your shitty nu analog were they cut so many corners it's a circle.
>>66192659
i do lol, every time i sit down to make music with it. especially knowing that i didnt buy it new like a stooge
>>66192740
Kek
Oh the rationalizations that you proles come up with
>>66192381
I think he's just taking the piss.
That said, I broke down and hand to buy this thing used. Glad I didn't buy new.
>>66192791
How does that compare to the sound of the Monark?
>>66192902
> volca sample
MY
NIGGA
If only it could actually record samples it would my favorite piece of gear
>>66192876
I've used Monark. It's unplayable if I play it from a keyboard and don't sequence it. Critically useless since I play live shows.
If I get some gaymen rig that might change, but I don't play many video games.
As per the sound of Monark, it's good and thick, but if doesn't sound like my Minimoog. It would probably fool somebody if you told them it was a Juno though.
>>66193004
What the fuck are the you talking about?
hey guys
as an exercise I'm trying to imitate this guy:
https://soundcloud.com/jam-city/today
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiFbb6Waj_A
it would really helpful if you could help me with the mix. I'm struggling with getting the drums and dynamics right, so if you have any tips thank you
>>66193112
It can't record input, you have to use that weird sample loading script
>>66193112
Not him, but volca sample can't sample on its own. You need some app or some other convoluted bullshit to put your own samples on it. Only reason I didn't buy one.
>>66193208
>>66193216
I don't know about you guys but I use the app and it is the most simple straight forward software ever, and it actually has pretty in depth editing capabilities.
>>66193004
Its really good I think
>>66193036
>As per the sound of Monark, it's good and thick, but if doesn't sound like my Minimoog. It would probably fool somebody if you told them it was a Juno though.
How far out do you think it is and in what way?
>>66193260
Is it no longer just for the iPhone?
>>66193260
The fact that it has no record input has impeded me from buying it. That's all. I have an iPhone and realize how easy it is to use many apps, but I want my gear to be usable in the future, so I don't want to have to rely on legacy apps on an iPhone running a legacy OS to keep my sampler running.
I'm glad Korg has made the current app usable, but I will not be a volca sample customer
>>66193260
Yea I use Vosyr to upload the samples I don't find it a problem, but what anon is talking about is that it doesn't have any audio inputs so you can't sample from something like a turntable like a traditional sampler...its more of a sample player
>>66193298
>>66193338
You might want to check out third party software like Vosyr and caustic. so you can use your computer to upload the sounds
rate this wip
https://clyp.it/2amnom0u
>>66193295
>How far out do you think it is and in what way?
Highly subjective question. Do you want the sound of an analog synth and want to fool your listeners? It's plenty to get you there.
Do you want to fiddle around with it live with controllers mapped to its parameters to emulate playing an also synth? I wouldn't be that courageous.
I do a lot of resonant filter modulation stuff in a band I play live shows with, and I'm just not convinced I can get the characteristics I need without heavy aliasing and other digital artifacts. If I was just doing slow pads, I would be fine, but that's just not the case.
If it makes you feel any better, I run it through a cheap digital delay.
Hey y'all
Buy my ESQ-1
http://www.ebay.com/itm/18219515167
it runs like a dream, hidden waves firmware, new battery, and new pots
only problem is some rust because it sat in a humid high school for 30 years.
>>66193428
That's splendid and all, but Korg still neglected to put in an audio input for recording samples.
>>66193481
Shit, sorry
http://www.ebay.com/itm/182195151672?
My current poorfag setup
Need a phone with a better camera, besides that, it gets the job done
>>66193502
Fair price. That's what I sold my EPS for.
>>66193481
>Buy my used gear
What do you take me for? A peasant?
>>66193481
>>66193502
Very tempting, but I, like many others, am looking for retro synthetic because I DON'T want to spend $500
>>66193338
>>66193361
Alright I feel ya
>>66192902
Does that arturia work as a standalone synth or does it need computer?
>>66193481
Nice
>>66193677
The minibrute and Microbrute are analog synths. It wouldn't be analog if they required a computer connection. Well, unless Waldorf made it.
Saw this on /fit/ and though it was worth sharing here
Don't produce music if you're not a musician. It invariably sounds shitty, for a variety of reasons.
>1. You don't have a trained ear. Listening to a bunch of music does not do this for you.
>2. You don't understand the basics. Chord structure, harmonics, scales, technique, etc. Producing scores and songs without this knowledge would be like trying to diddy 4pl8s without knowing proper form, you're just going to fuck your shit up.
>3. You don't understand musical quirks, intricacies, and subtleties. I've been a musician, trained classically, play in band setting, and been trained in jazz for over a decade and I still don't understand everything there is to understand.
>4. Even if you do play one instrument (which I assume you don't seriously, gathering from "I need a hobby"), that's not enough to produce. You need to understand a full ensemble to create good music. What is the bassist's job? What is the guitarists job? What is the melodic leader's job? What are they doing individually? How can they not step on each others toes? How much is too much? How little is too little? When should the bassist stop playing? When should the EG take it down a notch? Which pieces go where? Why? etc
Not trying to be a dick, but "music production" is a waste of your time if you're not already an accomplished and skilled musician.
Thoughts?
>>66193498
In all fairness at the price point the volcas are at adding some kind of audio editing (a screen) and audio inputs would have priced it out I think. I know what you are saying a sampler that can't sample is not much good,but also I like most other people have most of my samples on my computer as I use an software audio editor for cutting and processing my samples so it's no big deal for me, plus I mainly use my sample as a drum machine so I'm not constantly swapping out the samples.
It's a pretty fun and powerful cheap little sampler IMO
>>66193733
My bad, thought it was a keylab, not used to see a white minibrute, having said that, damm the new red ones are ugly
>>66193820
>don't make music if you suck at it
>you can only get good at making music if you keep doing it
?
>>66193820
>thoughts
Bullshit
>>66193855
S.E bby ;^)
>>66193513
hey, somebody else with a g1on lol
>>66193867
The point was that you shouldn't try music production if you don't already play an instrument well. It doesn't make sense to try to make music without fundamental understanding. Your time is much better spent learning an actual instrument, not composing full songs without any direction
>>66193876
elaborate.
>>66193820
I knew most classically trained musicians were stupid shits.
>>66193946
>implying synths aren't instruments
>>66193956
lol what does that even mean. they don't play your type of music so they don't know anything about music?
>>66193946
not that guy, but it's bullshit because there's sampling and just writing melodies by hand or with chord and scale tools for midi... why would you ignore all of the advances in the technology that allows you to create and say "LOL IF U CANT DO IT THE OLD FASHIONED WAY Y BOTHER XDD"
Fuck, people are too stupid and easily baited on this thread.
>>66193975
>implying someone with zero training on a piano or organ has the technical skill or chordal and harmonic understanding to make music with a synth
>>66194006
By production I meant full songs and post, not making synth parts. Doesn't take a whole lot of skill to play triadic/diatic chords in C and hit rather random notes in the scale on top, nor does it sound very good.
>>66193913
It's the best cheap ass gear around
Shitton of fx + looper + decent cheesy drum beats
Love that little piece of shit
>>66193946
>elaborate?
Well I guess it depends on what the definition of music isn't?
Are they saying you shouldn't learn how to programme drums into a sequencer or drum machine unless you are a professional drummer? Can you not be creative and teach yourself? If something sounds nice to you is it wrong as it isn't in some form of chord progression?
Plenty of musicians have been self thought and a lot have no idea about music theory
>>66194088
i never really use the looper or the drum beats, what sold me was the price tag and the ability to chain 5 effects. definitely great bang for the buck
>>66193820
>how dare people have fun stop doing that everything is terrible
lol fuck off and kys
>>66194068
>and post
lol there's literally no music theory in post though
and you can make full songs with the other techniques i mentioned, see: a shitload of producers
>>66194092
>Plenty of musicians have no idea about music theory
Calling bullshit. Anyone who plays at a professional level understands theory at least at a rudimentary level. They may have "taught themselves", but are entirely influenced by western harmonic, tonic and chordal rules and understand them.
>>66193985
woah way to bend words you fag
in my experience most trained musicians are pretentious fags who think they know everything because they're good at an instrumnet, while on the other hand they're horrible at composing. and they love to look down on anything that's not classical or awful jazz fusion.
Also, what consitutes "being a musician"?
point 1 is bullshit
point 2 is stupid: "you can't make music if you're not a musician-you don't understand things that even I as a musician don't fully understand"
and how the fuck are you not going to understand the functions of each member of a band? point 3 assumes that anyone without his very same education is a stupid fuck with no ears.
>>66194127
You should try the looper, it syncs surprisingly well. The drum beats are just, funny
>>66194185
oops 2 and 3 are actually 3 and 4
>>66194185
>how the fuck are you going to understand the functions of each member of a band?
...by, playing in a band? by fucking up and seeing what doesn't sound good? by getting advice from experienced musicians?
>>66194224
>point 4 assumes that anyone without his very same education is a stupid fuck
not at all. I've played with a myriad of musicians that, while technically skilled, sounded super shitty because they didn't know what their part was. If an actual musician can make that mistake, of course a non-musician can.
>>66194236
what about listening to a lot of music and noticing patterns?
or fucking up and seeing what doesn't sound good ON A DAW? that's a lot of the point of /prod/
This thread went from good to awful in like 10 posts
whats the best way i can record something with literally just a macbook and an iPhone
>>66194287
it's the /prod/ way
>>66194179
Ok most musicians that play conventional instruments I'd agree.
But there are a lot of musicians that make more experimental music that have no idea about music theory. Even instruments like the buchla had the standard keyboard omitted from the instruments as they weren't ment to be played that way, they were made to be different.
Again you could argue that nothing made on a buchla is musical...it depends what you consider the definition of music to be
>>66193197
bump
if I don't have a decent result by the end of the week I'm going to let people down
>>66194327
... by recording it
what do you wanna hear from us exactly?
>>66193820
sounds like a retard tbqh. u can figure out what your doing if u just put the time in.
>>66193820
You fucking idiot, you should know that /prod/ looks down on virtuosity and the ability to play in a band.
>>66182313
/prod/, I'm new to recording. Right now I have microphones, a soundproof room, a digital mixer, a synth, a directbox, a noisegate, a pop filter, plenty of cables and a DAW. Do I need anything else?
>>66194355
im not really sure i guess I'm sorry
>>66194336
>it depends what you consider the definition of music to be
exactly
not trying to get pretentious and stuff but why should computer music stick to the rules of tonal music on such a level that you can't even try your hand at it if you don't know tonal theory? even though the 90% of us make tonal music I think that's a point imo
>>66194433
Nope.
Just make sure you get really good at equating and envisaging waveforms in your head, because it's really hard to do it without a set of speakers.
>>66194441
just try to record in the quietest space you have available i guess and maybe test out a few positions with the phone/mac book mic if you wanted to really get the most out of what you have, but if you dont have anything to work with there's not much to tell you really
>>66194336
problem is most people think DAWs have a "MAEK MUSIC xD" button that you click on, and music comes out
my boss literally told me that. He said people who used "computers" aren't musicians because "all they do is push buttons". He became like this after he had a midlife crisis, decided to pay for guitar lessons, and now that he can play a 3chord "I LUV U BABY" type of tune at 10bpm (with his teacher on rhythm guitar of course, literally holding his hand) he is a 'true musician'
>>66194327
Irig pro is probably the cheapest and best quality you can get.
>>66194443
I don't think a lot of it does. I've read numourus interviews with electronic artists that have no idea about music theory. If it sounds good it sounds good. Would music only sound good if it sticks to these theory's or can it sound good outside of these theory's?
>>66194508
Show him piano covers of sophisticated electronic music and they'll destroy his prejudices instantly.
>>66193481
were you the guy in the synth thread earlier?
>>66194541
Most of that music tends to strictly follow music theory. It's pretty difficult for somebody untrained in theory to break the molds of music theory, as ironic as that sounds. Humans just tend to stick with what sounds good to them.
Excuse the cables. I finally found a pretty cheap tiered stand a few weeks ago. Still need to get another one for the rest of my boards, and a much bigger desk
>>66194541
for an untrained ear it would probably sound awful
anyways, playing on key is as easy as playing "only the white notes".
why did atonal music never go popular, /prod/?
>>66194657
you're privileged and I hate you for that
>>66194608
If that's the case then why the fuck should anyone learn theory? Apparently you don't need to know the rules to follow them because it happens naturally, and "know the rules to know when/how to break them" is bullshit too, because you just go against your natural tendencies and see if it sounds good or not, keeping the change if it does or scrapping the change if it doesn't
>>66194560
it'd be a waste of time. rockists, specially the old farts that don't mind spending 5k on guitars only to do "covers" (read: butcher) of Neil Young tunes and whatnot, tend to be the most close minded pricks on earth re: music. if it isn't in a scale they understand, if it doesn't have a guitar and if its not derivative american rawk they literally don't give a shit about it.
anyway, I told him that computers are literally just like the old synths a lof of his rawk bands have
>yeah but its on a computer
its the same fucking thing 99% of the time, just more modern
>but all you do is push buttons
so did keith emerson
>........ELECTRONIC MUSIC SUCKS K?? IT JUST DOES
you can't argue with these people. Supertramp is the best thing ever, boomers were the greatest generation, all you lazy young people don't even bother playing our outdated shitty classic rock tunes what's wrong with you
>>66194680
doesn't satisfy expectations as often as tonal
people don't derive from it the pleasure of guessing patterns correctly
>>66189685
Here's my shitty setup :^)^:
>>66194702
I'm not privileged. You just need to step up your game
>>66194508
How is pushing buttons any different than strumming a string?
Ok it's not quite the same thing but people are just narrow minded that say shit like that. Believe me I've been pushing buttons for about 20 years now and it's not that easy. If I'd spent those 20 years learning how to play 6 strings on a guitar I'm sure I'd be fairly good at guitar.
We as producers learn lots and lots of different things, I know my way round a few DaWs, I know how to programme my old 80's gear with hundreds of menus and a tiny screen, we know about effects units, vst's mixing and mastering, programming drums, cutting up audio and so much more.
Electronic musicians arnt confined to 6 strings, we might not be real musicians but who said we ever wanted to be?
>>66194657
Where'd you get the three tier stand?
>>66194657
That chair looks comfy anon, what make is it?
>>66194704
well that would require an amazing musical sensibility most of us don't have. that's why I'm learning music theory, to know how conventional music works.
>>66194750
Music Go Round. It was $70, which is pretty good considering a two-tiered Pro-Line stand is about $70 at Guitar Center
>>66194657
that's a pretty shitty monitor placement
>>66194704
There's a lot more to music theory than I-IV-V7. It just happens that most people who don't know theory only follow the most basic parts of it like that one.
I mean, you can always remain ignorant and tout that as knowledge, but what's the point in that?
>>66194744
>we might not be real musicians but who said we ever wanted to be?
oh come on lmao
>>66194477
Thanks my man.
>>66194788
So all those electronic musicians who don't know theory yet still make good music are rare prodigies? I don't know if I buy that.
>>66194780
Can't remember. I got it on sale from Office Max years ago. The make/model is 8376 PBO0000582. Nothing else on it from what I can see. It's comfy enough, but some of the leather is coming off
>>66194806
It's just about centered with the keyboard tray. Offset a bit, though I'm ok with it since sometimes I'll put my feet on the sub and watch the screen
>>66194508
This is horribly inaccurate, I'm making my own.
Does learning theory (in depth) really help with writing? I only really know the basics and I don't think it's helped much
>>66194908
actually maybe not because I'm lazy and it won't be worth the one laugh it will give me
>>66194829
You do realize theory is an after-the-fact explanation of musical constructions, right?
>>66194908
Do it
>>66194843
Sorry I couldn't help myself, but it's kind of true. Look at kraftwerk they arnt real musicians they just push buttons and make music with calculators, pretty sure they weren't trying to be like any of the other "musicians" around at the time
>>66194913
Yes. You can try creating chord progressions for verse/chorus, then derive the bassline and melody from those, for example
>>66194913
Not particularly. It's a lot more useful for improvisation than composition.
As far as composition goes, try a bunch of shit, keep what sounds good.
>>66194874
I'd argue that most know music theory pretty well, they just don't know the language or have the vocabulary of music theory.
Show them notes on a piano roll and they'd read that no differently than someone sight-reading a written score, and if you think about written scores they're just programs, but for orchestras instead of electronic systems.
>>66194953
Ok, you convinced me
>>66194981
>Look at kraftwerk they arnt real musicians they just push buttons and make music with calculators
:^)
>>66194982
You can do that without knowledge of theory by just using your ears
>>66194995
;^)
>>66194874
depends on what you think good music is. a lot of music I love doesn't require much theory knowledge
I was refering to his point about going against your natural tendencies. Do you know of any musicians with zero understanding of theory that go against tonality (the natural tendency) with good results?
>>66195006
Yeah, but how is that better? You can draw a portrait without knowing about lighting, shading, perspective, human anatomy, and so on. Just look at a person and draw. But would you really expect a good picture to come from that process without any understanding of the craft?
