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>implying Grimes is not a David Bowie of our generation
>>66124764
She looks good in this.
21 pilots > this ugly bitch
>>66124855
Literally everything > 21 pilots > that ugly bitch
>>66124855
What a lame comment pleeeeb
>>66124911
a pleeb is not a word. Please get out
>>66124927
Please suck a pen15
>>66124764
nah not a david bowie of our generation, she just doesn't seem to have as much artistic drive or passion for her work as him, and she's trying way too hard to maintain her grunge/tumblr aesthetic while also trying to get herself into the pop-star scene to cement her career for years to come
>Grimes
>not Animal Collective
which medicine is her favorite?
>>66124927
am sorry
>>66124988
This is now an AnCo thread.
Centipede Hz is every bit as good as Strawberry Jam.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VesIkXdWrsw
>>66124952
>she just doesn't seem to have as much artistic drive or passion for her work as him
This is totally incorrect. She is passionate and artistic for her music and live perfomances like nobody else.
Check out her live at KEXP: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJ5XUw4qHZo
>>66125070
is this sarcasm? are u memeing?
>>66125070
Also this (early version of Genesis)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdGkWtmbMu4
I just figured out why Grimes is ugly. When she smiles, her eyes do not change.
>>66125093
No, I don't post memes.
>>66124952
>tumblr aesthetic
what do you mean?
>>66125018
I hear she's gonna need Trauma Therapy
I wonder if any of them feels envy for the other
>>66125497
>I wonder if any of them feels envy of the other
Grimes is a talentless, genderless, raceless, recovering crackhead, who would only cause envy to those who want to win an 'Ugliest Person Alive' award
>>66125544
>genderless, raceless
are those supposed to be insults?
>implying she isn't an autistic version of pic related
>>66125560
Except Jepsen looks amazing
>people really spend their time in threads of person they dont like
>>66124764
>Mainstream pop star
>Even close to Bowie
Sure.
>>66125629
>people spend their time on a music board masturbating to a girl who doesn't perform general hygeine and then get really upset when other people make them feel bad for having degenerate tastes and hobbies
how low are you if even betafaggots on /mu/ are telling you you're a faggot? seriously. reconsider your life choices, you fucking clod
>>66125629
>people spending time making these threads
>>66125497
Me on the left.
>>66125682
i replied to that as i saw it scrolling down on page 1 desu, as im replying to this right now
>>66125661
It took 20 seconds to make this thread
>>66125645
>Mainstream pop star
It's not Grimes.
>>66125645
>imlpying Bowie wasn't mainstream
>implying Bowie wasn't pop star
>>66125723
yeah, but she's kinda manistream now, and she is a pop star, whether you like it or not
>>66125889
No
Common things between Grimes & Bowie
- weird personalities
- strange fashion sense
- interesting live shows
- acclaimed music
- dedicated fanbase
- obscure albums before the proper breakthrough albums (Grimes has Geidi Primes & Halfaxa, Bowie has S/T album from 1967)
- eclectic music taste
>>66125924
Which point do you disagree with?
>>66125757
How many instruments does your beloved pop star play? How many acclaimed musicians has she cooperated with? Belew, Eno, Tina Turner? No?
grimes is just a more pretentious version of halsey, prove me wrong.
>>66125990
no, she is a female version of bowie
>>66125911
Differences between Grimes & Bowie
- making music that is good
- making music that is not mediocre
- making music that is not garbage
>>66125973
David Bowie is my beloved pop star, so fuck you
>>66126044
I was talking about Grimes and you know it.
>>66126077
they're both mainstream pop stars, doesnt matter how many instruments they play
i'm not op, desu
>>66124764
Grimes is a vapid and superficial pop musical whose following is entirely focused on her pretensions of (faux) avant-gardism and her image, despite the fact her music is entirely generic and wholly unremarkable. So yes, she is a David Bowie of our generation.
>>66126163
*pop musician
>>66124764
your waifu would hate you for comparison with any other artist
>>66124764
https://youtu.be/FJ5XUw4qHZo?t=20m43s
How does anyone unironically listen to this? Seriously... And there are musically inept people actually defending her...
>>66125911
Don't forgot, they were both junkies at one point
>>66124764
She's not, she's just overrated hipster garbage.
I love Claire
>>66126284
>he doesn't know about music tastes
are you retarded?
btw this live is really shitty
>>66126375
She can't sing in key and that's somehow a good thing. Keep telling yourself that. And if that's the case, why not just bring random people off the street on stage?
>>66125973
>How many instruments does your beloved pop star play?
Piano, guitar, ukulele, violin. Also she uses sampler, synthesizer and pedalboard for hel live shows.
>How many acclaimed musicians has she cooperated with?
Why does she need those if she can do everything herself?
>>66126410
she's not great singer obviously, i just like her voice
>>66124764
now that's a horrible outfit wtf
>>66125757
not that guy, but you can't be serious. You can't compare her with Bowie man, you're just proving that Grimes fans know nothing about music
>>66126284
1) cuz singing is not the only thing she does
2) cuz her liveshows are more of improvisation, that's why she sounds always different
>>66126035
Bowie did awful music (mid 80s - early 90s), Grimes never released sub-par material.
>inb4 Art Angels
Art Angels was great and acclaimed.
>>66126443
Sampler... Nice instrument bro. Repeating drum loops aren't music. By the way there are great pop musicians, but none of you know or listen to them: Phil Collins (it pains me to say this), Bowie, Michael Jackson, Amy Winehouse, Mariah Carey, etc.
Grimes looks like the inbred troll from harold and kumar 2
>>66126513
Singing is not the only thing she does. OK, fair enough. If she can't sing in key and ''play her instrument'', maybe she shouldn't sing. Take a look at how it's done: https://youtu.be/QilNVTZx5CI. Not only that the song is in an odd time signature (6/8), even the riffs he's playing are challenging and he still sings in key and is enjoying himself and laughing throughout this difficult performance.
>>66126497
you can't read properly? i just said that it's wrong to think that he wasn't mainstream pop star
i dont compare her to bowie, i generally hate to compare artists
>>66126592
>Repeating drum loops aren't music.
>what is techno
>>66126453
Not the she's not a great singer, she sings out of key. I hope you understand what that means. It can ''work'' if you're playing jazz and jazz fusion on a guitar for example, but it doesn't work for vocals.
>>66126640
Not a music worth listening to for anyone with even a little bit of ''musical sense''.
>>66126630
>maybe she shouldn't sing
maybe she knows better than you what she should do and should not to do?
>>66126583
>Grimes never released sub-par material
That's because she's only made music for like 6 years.
>>66126657
>techno
>not a music
Confirmed for being retarded.
>>66125973
Grimes:
>singer
>songwriter
>producer
>sound engineer
>lyricist
>live performer
>visual artist
>music video director
Pretty much the complete artist.
>>66126692
Confirmed for not knowing what talent is and listening to ''music'' performed by people that lack talent and rely on copying and pasting drum loops on a PC.
>>66124764
Grimes is the mid-80s creatively bankrupt Bowie of our generation. Pic related is one of the few albums worse than Art Angels.
>>66126665
I agree, but who cares about being talented and all that? Who even needs that? Pfft
>woo hoo just finished what could def b a third single for this album, my first attempt at a glam rock style song, feeling queen and bowie
Which song from AA was that?
>>66126699
Artist that can't sing in key. OK.
>>66126707
>electronic music is not music
>>66126699
But she isn't good at any of those. I can try to perform open heart surgery but if it kills the poor sod I'm doing it on then I'm hardly a surgeon.
>>66126731
>Artist that can't sing in key
She can and she proved that a lot of times.
Listen to her singing Ave Maria live: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGLvUejoRb4
>>66126739
(You)
>>66126731
OK. Grimes is more like a songwriter/producer than a singer. Even her admitted she's not that good as a singer. But despite her vocals flaws, Grimes has a beautiful and versatile voice. She uses her voice more like another instrument.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjxqYdGWjgM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUe9rnucPoU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zENqcBs05ns
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fON6EE1PvlA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2EJMd7ZN7w
See how versatile is her voice?
>>66126731
how many times did you post it?
>>>66125629
>>66126757
>But she isn't good at any of those.
Explain her evergrowing fanbase and critical acclaim. And bigger touring venues. And endless /mu/ threads.
Maybe people really liked her music? Maybe she's doing something right? Maybe she's really fascinating?
>>66126780
(You)
>>66126707
>thinks that people sample music because they have no talent
You are even more retarded than I thought.
>>66126793
Justin Bieber has an ever-growing fan base, along with all the other mainstream Top 40 pop stars. Does that make him good?
>>66126795
Please tell me more about how talented you have to be to copy and paste sometime even pre-made drum loops. If you were a musician, you would be ashamed of what you're saying.
>>66126765
That's right. She's moving A LOT on stage (she also manipulates synths, samplers, pedals and mixers), so anyone expecting her to sing in tune all the time is fucking delusional. Other popstars would rely on lipsync. Not her.
She would be better live if she would hire someone to play the instruments and if she would move much less. As it is, she's still really good. I enjoyed immensely her recent Glastonbury performance.
>>66126809
He's not critically acclaimed. This is very important. Your point is invalid.
>>66126809
Music is subjective, so Bieber is good for his fans. His music was never meant for you. Or me, if that helps. I DON'T LIKE his music, but it doesn't mean he's objectively bad. See the difference?
Not liking something =/= objectively bad.
>>66124764
Kanye West is honestly the David Bowie of our generation, and it pains me to admit it but the similarities are blatantly there.
>Both reinvented themselves on every album
>Both have had large negative public reception
>Both slumped heavily in their middle age
>Has different personas for each album (Kanye and Bowie, for the most part, have had large aesthetic changes for each of their albums)
>Both were, at some point or the other, the most famous artists in the most popular pop genre at the time (Bowie for pop rock, Kanye for pop rap)
>Both have polarizing works in their fanbases (Bowie has Lodger and most of his late 90s output, Kanye has Yeezus, WTT and 808s)
>Both pioneered their own styles of fashion within the public reception
>Both combined experimentation (far more than their peers at least) with pop, to huge worldwide results
>Both have been met with large critical and mainstream acclaim
>Both can appeal to all races in one form or the other (something I didn't want to bring up but it had to be said, for example, Let's Dance by Bowie was huge in black-orientated discos, as well as Jesus Walks being popular in clubs most frequented by black people, while their other works, such as Black Skinhead and Heroes, appealed to white crowds)
>Both have struggled with their success and the fame it brought, usually to negative public reception
>Both have combined the popular trends in music with their own style of music (Bowie with Scary Monsters etc, Kanye with TLOP, MBDTF, etc)
i don't even like kanye outside TCD and LR (and some songs on TLOP and MBDTF) but it's hard to deny the similarities imo
>>66126840
>He's not critically acclaimed
Along with all of the other mainstream Top 40 pop stars.
>>66126721
But she's talented. Talent is not about singing perfectly. It's about making music that people find it relatable. Just ask Bob Dylan, Kurt Cobain, Leonard Cohen, Janis Joplin and endless others. Poor vocalists, but they did music from their soul.
>>66126820
>copy and paste sometime even pre-made drum loops
>If you were a musician, you would be ashamed of what you're saying.
If (You) were a musician you would at least know how common sampling is and that it's not as easy as copy-paste. Almost all acclaimed electronic music acts (Daft Punk, Prodigy, etc) are using samples to create an original stuff.
>>66126855
I understand that taking a critical eye at the quality of the music and artists you're listening to is too much of a mental burden for most people, but I don't think you can tell me with a straight face that all mainstream Top 40 pop stars are good ''musicians''.
>>66126860
dude he is black
>>66126884
Right. Few are very acclaimed (Beyonce) or moderately acclaimed (Taylor Swift). Anyone else is usually trashed by critics.
Grimes is in the envious position of having it all: bigger success, bigger acclaim, bigger fanbase, bigger importance with each album. Her trend is on the rise. She's liked by normal people and hipsters, by bankers and neets.
>>66126911
Their music is competently played and produced. Every little hook is clearly anaylized for the biggest impact. Technically you can't fault it. If you don't like it, so be it.
>>66124764
IMPORTANT QUESTION ITT
Did anyone record her live show which was streamed yesterday??
Please DO tell that someone did ;_;
>>66126907
Originality, huh? Do you know how computers are used for guitar playing for example? Guitar players create different effects for their gear (pedals, effect processors) and they don't use pre recorded music when they perform live. Even if they're using pre-made effects and repeat riffs, it always sounds different and unique, because it actually cam be reproduced by a real person. Most of electronic music can't be performed in real time and most of the time it isn't.
>>66126730
Pin for sure
>>66126937
As poppy as Grimes is, she's still in the indie sphere. My gay coworker who mostly listens to EDM likes her but my mom obviously hasn't heard of her. I foresee a crossover in the future but that's because she's already an unashamed sellout desperate for popularity.
>>66126820
Grimes is also a sound engineer, she made her own samples. And making great loops isn't easy. Millions of people are making electronic music (loop based) right now, but how many succeeded?
If you think that Grimes is just making simple beats, listen to this: http://picosong.com/N7QW
You may be surprised.
>>66126927
Grimes is a female, your point exactly?
>>66126994
>because she's already an unashamed sellout desperate for popularity.
Tell that to David Bowie, Kate Bush, Bjork. Big label acclaimed artists that were heavily promoted and made poppy music too. Artists that relied on quirky tropes much more than Grimes (just see the whole Bowie 70s era or Bjork's persona).
Grimes is an indie artist, she making the music she likes. You have the option to like it or not. Don't call her a sellout for doing her thing and naturally becoming more popular.
>>66126907
Please listen to what this man has to say: https://youtu.be/JshARrVS_Q4?t=2m28s. I realize that the title of the video is a little misleading, but that's not what's important.
>>66126907
Yeah. Not forgetting the obvious ones, DJ Shadow and The Avalanches. Isn't their music art because it's sample based?
>A fairly regular Vancouver kid, with interests like anime, Harry Potter and Mariah Carey, it was during her adolescence that, as Garossino puts it, “something very strange happened.”
>“She changed into some kind of super-brain, exploring the internet all the time.”
>Teenage Boucher’s obsessions ranged from space travel, to the twelfth-century composer Abbess Hildegard von Bingen, to Russian existentialist lit. She crushed so hard on Dostoyevsky that she even flew to St. Petersburg to attend an intensive Russian immersion.
>But as with Grimes’ music, Boucher preferred autodidactism. Garossino recalls hearing Boucher teach one of Chopin’s nocturnes to herself, bar by bar. But only through the wall—at the time, Boucher had too much stage fright to even play the piano in front of her mother.
>“Something that people don't understand about Claire is her searing intellect and focus,” Garossino said. “Whenever you think you've figured her out, she's already three moves ahead. Things are never what they seem.”
>Her mother related how at McGill, the wunderkind wanted to take physics, but couldn’t stand introductory courses. Instead, Boucher entered higher-level classes and studied the prerequisite material at the same time. “She would nearly kill herself studying—surviving on almost no sleep for weeks at a time.”
>“And that's how she makes music today. In long, solitary blasts of blistering intensity.”
I'd like to know why Grimes is so much hated by /mu/? Envy? If you say her fanbase, you're an easily influenced naive dumbass that doesn't even know how to use filters.
>>66127076
>supposedly some kind of wunderkind
>drops out of the best university in Canada to do drugs instead of getting a solid financial backing so she doesn't have to make three albums on her laptop in a shitty apartment in Vancouver
Why is Grimes either a liar or an autist?
>>66127100
You guessed it. It's the latter. That's why these kind of threads get 100+ replies in a couple for hours and jazz threads get like 20 replies on a good day and die out the same day...
>>66127039
Grimes went so absurdly pop on Art Angels that it's impossible that it could have been anything other than capitalization on poptimism. I suppose it is possible that Grimes herself is an idiot who thinks that the popstars circlejerked by the media are actually artistes with creative control and massive visions, but that would be even more pathetic.
>>66127111
She's pretty weird and a true artist. You know that saying, true artists suffer for their art. Don't forget about her Mississippi boat trip.
>>66127100
Well I don't like her because her music is too sugar-y, "cutesy" for me and I could give fuckall about the politics around her, but I guess it's her fanbase that genuinely is the cause for her hatred.
Like, if I can remember correctly, I saw a thread on /mu/ a couple of months ago where a guy started spamming in a thread because someone said they didn't like Grimes all that much. And that's probably the entire reason why no one wants to like her music or at least be public about it because they'll be lumped in with that group.
That being said though, her music really sounds like Taylor Swift's stuff to me, albeit with less of a focus on stadium-filling and more on aesthetic and personality, which I guess can be seen as interesting.
>>66127111
>drops out of the best university in Canada
It was after she got somewhat of a success in music, so it was a reasonable step and the only way go further with her career, cuz she wasn't able to attend classes anymore.
>>66127162
Grimes is 28. Are you telling me she was successful circa 2009? Her first two albums were bedroom projects that came out after that.
>>66127185
She matriculated to McGill University in 2006 and dropped out in late 2010 or early 2011.
Grimes posting should be banned.
>>66125624
I agree
>>66127237
This.
>>66127250
I don't
>>66127124
That's completely wrong. Art Angels it's still electropop, just like Visions, but a different style.
To understand why she made Art Angels consider this:
- Grimes always loved pop music and now she had the perfect timing and knowledge to release a pop album;
- Visions was made under stress and under awful conditions (days with drugs, without food and sleep); she didn't want to repeat that.
- she's happier now and she needed to forget her dark past;
- all great artists evolve and try to reach for bigger audiences; she can't stay forever the obscure indie girl. However, her popularity is bigger than before but she's still an independent artist.
- she needed upbeat songs for her live shows. As great is her past work, it's just too gloomy to be performed live. Her AA songs trigger an amazing response from her audiences: see any Kill V. Maim live performances as an example.
In the light of these things, AA makes complete sense. AA was also very well received and earned her lots of new fans.
>>66124764
she doesn't use unusual key changes in her music though, and she's not really known outside /mu/
Bowie was immensely popular, and creating music that was very different from other popular music of the time. Look at "life on mars" and all the crazy key changes in it. No one was really doing that kind of things. Grimes isn't doing anything new, nor does she really have an understanding of music beyond triggering some pads and making a beat
>>66127237
Anti Grimes posting should be banned.
fify. Hate speech (just like the anti Grimes fans do) should be banned. Let us discuss this artist in peace.
>>66127237
>>66127296
>You will not post any of the following outside of /b/: Trolls, flames, racism, off-topic replies, uncalled for catchphrases, macro image replies
The anti Grimes fans always break these rules. Someone should ban these assholes.
>>66127277
>Grimes isn't doing anything new, nor does she really have an understanding of music beyond triggering some pads and making a beat
Finally, someone who gets it. That's exactly why she shouldn't be so highly regarded. Understanding music theory isn't a must, but every musician that got famous not knowing much or any music theory most definitely learned more about it over time.
>>66127027
bowie was a blackstar and kanye is just black
>>66127277
>>66127319
Hold on. Not so quickly. Not only that Grimes is a one woman band artist (that itself should be enough for praise), but she's also pushing the boundaries of music. She makes electronic music with pop elements but influenced by industrial, dreampop, kpop, medieval, r&b, idm. Her sound is unique and there's no other artist like her. Not even one.
This is as good as anything Bowie did: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGSwtEHE1dE
>she doesn't use unusual key changes in her music though
>implying that music should be complex in order to be great
>implying that Kraftwerk or Bob Dylan shouldn't be legends because their music is fairly simple and straightforward
How much of hipster are you?
>>66127413
Mainstream pop artist is pushing the boundaries of music... Ok.
>>66127451
>Mainstream pop artist is pushing the boundaries of music... Ok.
Yeah, Bowie did that. Grimes is just an indie artist pushing the boundaries of music.
>>66127277
>nor does she really have an understanding of music beyond triggering some pads and making a beat
She was in a program at McGill called Electroacoustics where she studied a lot of how the brain interacts with music. She got an understanding of frequencies and kind of how the brain responds to things.
So for sure she knows some things, that many other musicians don't.
>>66127559
True. And claiming that Grimes is just triggering some pads and making a beat is absolutely ridiculous and show how little that idiot >>66127277 knows about electronic music. He probably thinks that those sounds were made automatically by a computer or something...
>>66126962
PLEASE RESPOND
>>66127623
I didn't find it. In meantime you could download the superior Glastonbury video on /r/Grimes.
>>66127613
The problem with technology and ''music'' as it takes the life out of art and music in general. Music therefore lacks human touch and emotion. And as I've already explained:
>Originality, huh? Do you know how computers are used for guitar playing for example? Guitar players create different effects for their gear (pedals, effect processors) and they don't use pre recorded music when they perform live. Even if they're using pre-made effects and repeat riffs, it always sounds different and unique, because it actually cam be reproduced by a real person. Most of electronic music can't be performed in real time and most of the time it isn't.
>>66127613
What she's doing clearly isn't pushing the boundaries of music. And why? Here's why: https://youtu.be/JshARrVS_Q4?t=2m29s
>>66127720
>The problem with technology and ''music'' as it takes the life out of art and music in general. Music therefore lacks human touch and emotion. And as I've already explained:
So, you're telling me Grimes doesn't express emotion in her music? Her music is like the perfect mix between technology and humanity.
Just listen to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svT2miDOc4M
Or this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvkNNRHo5nI
pls be bait for the love of god.
>>66127613
>show how little that idiot >>66127277 (You) knows about electronic music
yeah I been making electronic for 16 years. It aint hard, and what grimes is doing aint technical in any way.
>>66126583
Comparing an artist that has been making music for 6 years with 4 studio albums to somebody that has been making music since the late 60s and has multiple classics and masterpieces under his belt and overall great material with 27 studio albums.
Like honestly how autistic are you?
>>66127836
That's why you're a nobody and she's famous. You're doing MEDIOCRE electronic music for 16 years. Try harder if it's that easy to make boring music.
>>66127643
I already have that one. She was so adorable yesterday. That stage fright before WP2 was just omg, how is it even possible to be so scared of the crowd?
>>66127789
This is what I mean: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkLSoXSQcYQ. This is how technology aids you in making music, actual music as an art form. He's clearly got a lot of effects going (delays, reverbs, distortion, etc.) and even though he's one of the most technically proficient guitar players ever, here he is playing single notes most of the time and it sounds like every note is just ripping pieces of your heart. He didn't need any sampled drum beats for that, because there's an actual drummer playing with him. He also didn't need sampled bass tracks, because there's a real person playing bass.
>>66127873
Am i in a youtube comment section?
>>66126770
>>66127836
>>66126907
>>66126794
why do you guys write "(you)"? what does it mean? it's summer ya know
>>66127904
Neo /mu/ isn't very far from it, I can tell you that.
>>66127872
>of our generation
This means she is still to make a lot of music.
>>66127907
It's used when someone's answer you won't even dignify with an actual response.
>>66127930
and? Its still completely retarded.
>>66124764
bowie fans on suicide watch
>>66127872
I didn't initiate the comparision, fuckwit. I'm not the OP.
>>66127960
They're very triggered. But honestly, Grimes is more like Bjork of our generation.
>Common things between Grimes & Bjork:
>weird voices
>quirky, playful personalities
>strange fashion sense
>interesting live shows
>acclaimed electronic music
>dedicated fanbase
>obscure albums before the proper breakthrough albums (Grimes has Geidi Primes & Halfaxa, Bjork has S/T album from 1977)
>eclectic music taste.
>>66127948
The only thing different here is albums count.
>has multiple classics and masterpieces under his belt and overall great material
applies to both
>>66127897
>sampled drum beats
>real person playing bass
>implying Grimes' sampled bass/drums weren't created by a real person
>>66127904
You're baffled for being outed as a mediocre musician?
>>66128048
Thanks for not actually refuting any of my claims, even though you clearly understood what I was saying.
>>66128021
>i hate it when people compare me to bjork. not because i dont completely love bjork and think she is a fucking badass, but because it just seems like lazy journalism. i.e. any female artist who makes even remotely experimental music is constantly compared to bjork by journalists who completely ignore the legacy of every other experimental female musician who isn’t bjork. also good luck ever being likened to a male musican. the media seems to think that you can only be similar to musicians who have the same sex organs as you. i actually dont really see the point in comparing artists all the time.. but whatever… such is the state of journalism.
I think that comparing to Bowie is something that Claire would actually appreciate.
>>66127895
i can never tell if this is edited
>>66128082
My point is that Grimes relies on technology to express her music. Technology is just a tool, not the driving force. Her music is not like many repetitive soulless techno tracks, there is actual emotion in them and actual songwriting.
Just an example:
>In your videos this year, you played with these clichés of powerful and powerless female archetypes. What was that about?
>I was interested in the Japanese archetype of a female protagonist who is very small and very cute and very physically powerful. You don’t see that archetype in America. But in Japanese culture, there are female characters who can embody this girl uniform and still cut someone’s head off with a sword. “Oblivion” embodies that kind of archetype, going into this masculine world that is associated with sexual assault, but presented as something really welcoming and nice. The song’s sort of about being — I was assaulted and I had a really hard time engaging in any types of relationship with men, because I was just so terrified of men for a while.
>Is it important for you to discuss what “Oblivion” is about?
>It would be intense if it were an overwhelming part of my image. I can’t censor myself; it’s really important for me to say how I feel. I needed to put out this song. I needed to make this song. I took one of the most shattering experiences of my life and turned it into something I can build a career on and that allows me to travel the world. I play it live every night. The whole process has been positive — engaging with that subject matter and making it into something good.
It doesn't get more personal and genuine that this.
>>66128173
>I think that comparing to Bowie is something that Claire would actually appreciate.
St. Vincent is more like Bowie, she's also a huge fan of him.
Listen carefully: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgVUei2853A
>>66127872
The timeline is more impressive thus far
>>66127873
I dont even write electronic music anymore. More something during my teens and early twenties.
I write art music for real performers, something grimes is incapable of.
I'd like to see her try to write a fugue, or even just a basic key change.
>>66129304
>I write art music for
>real performers
>>66127277
She must know some music theory, a lot of her songs use standard chord progressions with fitting vocal melody lines upon them without off-scale notes, nowadays she knows structuring etc.
Literally no one outside of this board knows or cares or grimes is. Thats why she's loved here. I actually hope she does become a house hold name so I can watch you all turn on her
>>66129304
>I'd like to see her try to write a fugue, or even just a basic key change.
/thread
>>66129404
Your typical human sheeple would certainly do that.
>>66129404
Genesis has 37 million views on youtube you dolt
>>66129453
That's not what determines if music is actually good or not, nor does the ''chart'' placement. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgVUei2853A
>>66129363
For example the chord progression of Be A Body is fm-Bb-cm.
In the beginning the bass synth plays the root notes and the distorted-delayed poly synth plays the seventh form of the mentioned chords but without the bass notes. I think you need to know at least what a key is, what is a chord progression, how to build a chord and stuff like that to pull this off. Also her vocal notes are stable notes. (they are notes selected from the underlying chord)
The song could have ended up this way by going only by feeling without knowledge but that just shows that she have a talent for music theory.
>>66129453
Who cares, people still hardly know who she is. Probably 5% of people who know Bowie know Grimes. Probably less
>>66129495
See my analysis of the song and a lot of other grimes songs on the sidebar made by me.
https://www.hooktheory.com/theorytab/view/grimes/be-a-body
Btw it would be cool if /mu/ would put up a lot of /mu/core on the site, there are already shit like NMH, Anco etc.
>>66129528
For example the bridge (or whatever, her structuring was fucked up back then) of Sagrad (yes back from the "weird" days) is straight up pop genius, i've seen this shit done by Max Martin a lot of the times.
https://www.hooktheory.com/theorytab/view/grimes/sagrad
>>66124764
Grimes is pure shit.
Pure Diahreah shit
>>66129404
Look at her Facebook / Twitter / Instagram stats. 920K followers on Facebook!
>>66129479
You're fucking stupid or what? Stop spamming that Frank Zappa clip, you will not convince anyone.
>>66124764
>bowie of our generation
>is female
wew lad
>>66129629
Montie is pure shit.
Pure Diahreah shit
Fuck off asshole.
>>66129734
Certainly won't convince the typical human sheep like you. And thanks for the ad hominem attacks not refuting any of my claims.
Why are Bowie fags always such faggots? Serious question.
>>66129764
>That's not what determines if music is actually good or not, nor does the ''chart'' placement.
>not knowing the music quality is subjective
Idiot.
>>66129898
Pretentious morons, without any decency.
>>66129929
>>66130017
More ad hominem attack, great...
>>66129898
I dont even like bowie, I just know about his music, and grimes isn't even close to his level
>>66129330
yeah its called being a "composer"
>>66130035
Do you mean she's so much better?
>>66130032
attacks*
>>66130057
She's nothing special. At least bowie wrote some interesting music.
He used unusual key changes and weird shit and still became famous as fuck. Grimes is making safe boring music, and isn't anywhere near Bowie's level of popularity or influence. I've never heard anyone mention her outside of /mu/, and I spend a lot of time with musicians of all walks of life.
>>66130032
>>66130123
Bowie was a great artist, no one can deny that, but there's no reason to put down another talented artist (Grimes) in order to "defend" him. That's silly. Stop your anti Grimes propaganda, it's not working.
>>66130046
The use of the word "real" though, it's inaccurate.
>>66130123
>I've never heard anyone mention her outside of /mu/, and I spend a lot of time with musicians of all walks of life.
She's mentioned on most music sites all the time. Just today P4K reviewed her Glastonbury performance:
>Grimes’ Next-Level Rave
>Grimes’ strafing dance pop would be equally at home at Glastonbury’s trance haven the Glade, though she's considerably more ambitious than the shipwrecked rave casualties who populate that tiny stage. Before “Scream,” she explains that Taiwanese rapper Aristophanes can't be here to do her part and apologizes for not being able to sing the Mandarin lyrics. “I do the Russian version,” she says. “I hope you don't mind.” She then proceeds to spend the next few minutes sprinting between her synth setup and seemingly expelling every ounce of wrath from her body, snarling, roaring, and rolling on the floor, before joining her dancers for a twitchy and captivating rendition of “Ave Maria.” Nobody minds.
>In one way, it feels unfair that she feels she has to do absolutely everything onstage to be perceived as being in control of her art—and occasionally, all the effort thins the combined effect—but it's also staggering to watch her exert tyrannical control over everything, moving between roles in hyperspeed. Having Grimes headline one of the festival's key stages on the last night feels like a victory lap for the queered synth-pop that's made Glastonbury 2016 so much fun, and she owns it, tumbling and whirling through “Oblivion” as the crowd go ape, and closing on “Kill V Maim,” which deserves to join “Born Slippy” and “Hey Boy, Hey Girl” in the pantheon of feral, next-level rave that Glastonbury is famous for.
Bowie wasn't that great, by the 80's he was the imitator and dug himself into irrelevance until the day he died.
>>66130226
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJCBYUKMvMQ
Noway
>>66130178
https://youtu.be/FJ5XUw4qHZo?t=20m44s
''Talent''
>>66130278
grimes is great desu
>>66130302
(You)
>>66130123
>He used unusual key changes and weird shit and still became famous as fuck. Grimes is making safe boring music
You're obsessed with unusual key changes and weird shit. Let me tell you, Grimes' music is way weirder than Bowie.
Proof:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fON6EE1PvlA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zENqcBs05ns
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oqxz6hpGbs
Not even the great Bowie did something like that. That is not safe boring music by any stretch of the imagination. Something like Let's Dance is way more accessible than say Dream Fortress: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hy3FPRaeW3Y
>and isn't anywhere near Bowie's level of popularity or influence.
Are you fucking kidding me? You're comparing an indie artist that makes music for 6 years and literally learned to make music on the fly and all by herself with someone that had decades to make music, big budgets from his major label and with a lot of collaborators like Tony Visconti and Brian Eno? Don't you see that even the highest selling artist (Adele) is selling only a faction of what the past famous artists used to (because the internet happened) and do you expect Bowie levels of fame? You're completely delusional.
>>66130345
grimes is great
>>66130278
Yes. Love that performance. This is talent: to make such great music with so little music knowledge. That video doesn't support your argument ("talent") at all.
>>66130195
They're real people who read music from a real score.
Perhaps I should use the word "professional" performers
>>66130369
Eh I'm not listening to this trash. Bowie is shit, Grimes is more shit. Its all popular music, made for cash. All I know is bowie does interesting shit which makes him slightly less trash than your average popular musician.
>>66130374
Totally agree.
>>66130369
Bowie actually made music and Grimes wouldn't even be an issue if it wasn't for a website (tumblr).
You guys need to pull your head out of your asses and stop comparing stupid internet fad 'musicians' to historical world renowned artist, dipshits.
>>66130412
And you're the shittiest. Careful with those edgy opinions, hipster.
>>66127250
>>66127263
The day /mu/ was civil.
>>66130425
you're wrong
please go away
>>66130425
>mad edgy dumbass
Both actually did music. Tumblr has nothing to do with her popularity, her great music had. Grimes is the present and the future of music, Bowie is the past. Get with the time, sheep. And stop being such narrow minded dumbfuck.
>>66130489
yeah, it's much worse than halfaxa and art angels
>>66130506
>smug asshole being btfo
grimes >>>>> horseshit >>>>>>>>>>>> bowie
>>66130412
All qualifications are meme. There's no personal statement and no need to make music derivative of others, people just want to be in bands (see chvrches).
>this thread
>every grimes thread
>half of /mu/
>>66130489
What about the download card?
![cfe107bce3b084dd9892ba6fd347c190[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/9XPZXDr.jpg "cfe107bce3b084dd9892ba6fd347c190[1]")
Reminder Bowie probably fucked Freddy Mercury.
Grimes gets her ass plowed by the likes of nobodies like pictureplane and that james faggot
Daily reminder to be nice to Grimes. She did nothing wrong to you.
>>66130604
Are you calling her a whore? Anon that's just not her, that's not what her music is about.
>>66130747
Yeah I've met lots of girls that do stimulants like mdma that are just genuine saints.
>>66130747
Ignore that faggot. He's just trolling.
>>66130604
lol yeah and Grimes hasn't molested any underage girls.
>>66130788
I wouldn't count on it, anon.
>>66124855
i feel like this pic degraded over time
>>66130825
Just like her career
>>66130825
waht about this one?
>>66124764
She dresses more like hair metal bands, which were inspired by David...so she's quite derivative. A new Bowie would be doing something new and groundbreaking.
>>66130892
If she's a smoker you can poke her
>>66130744
Íf she lights me on fire though, is it wrong when Grimes does it?
I need some information about her harsh noise record
>>66130901
Bowie had a goal to normalize homosex, he was successful and strongly influenced the way people think. Grimes has at least made ugly hipsters secure about themselves.
Saw her live yesterday at a festival.
Shit was very good.
>>66130773
>I've met a lot of genuine saints that didn't write Dream Fortress.
>>66131267
Poland, right?
>>66131326
Yup
>>66131267
Was indeed, very enjoyable and so much fun.
I've read all this thread
what a fucking waste of time
thanks OP for attracting all the haters by doing that stupid comparison, just like you did with kate bush or björk some days ago
>>66131443
>I've read all this thread
What made you do that?
>>66131437
Did you see LCD Soundsystem?
I was very close to the stage and had the time of my life. I thought it was great.
>>66131443
Most of the ''haters'' just stated their arguments. And all the fans kept using ad hominem attacks and added nothing of value to the conversation to support your favorite ''artist''.
>>66131493
No, i'm sorry. I meant on the stream.
>>66131474
I like these threads, I'm not even that big of a fan but they're usually chill
>>66131539
I saw bad arguments from both sides
>>66131539
>And all the fans kept using ad hominem attacks and added nothing of value to the conversation to support your favorite ''artist''.
That's plain bullshit. There are lots of legit arguments:
>>66125070
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>>66130178
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>>66130369
The Bowie fans kept bashing Grimes for no reason. Their arguments were ridiculous at best.
>>66125109
>going up and down on the black keys
how disgusting
>>66131714
>>66131774
Ok, fair enough. Let's see a proper rebuttal then.
>>66131912
there can be no rebuttal, there's no objective opinion in music, it's all based in personal taste
>>66131973
That's right. Most discussions on /mu/: useless. Waste of time.
>>66132004
life is a waste of time and everything is meaningless, we on this giant spinning rock around a huge ball of fire in a small galaxy that could be wiped in a minute
>>66132004
Unworthy. Counter +1
AIDS
>>66129495
>>66129580
Pretty much the only music related posts in the thread but they are too high IQ for for plebeian shitfests like /mu/
>>66129495
>she knows music theory because she sings a fucking F during an F chord
Such musical scholarship omg
>>66132261
I've found meaning in making other people feel better
>>66129479
he was talking about her popularity not the quality of her music dumbass
>>66132360
kys
>>66125911
Things they don't have in common
-music that people want to listen to
Anybody see Grimes at Open'er yesterday? Good shit imo.
>>66124764
>implying Grimes is not a semen demon of our cocks
cutest nose ever
>>66133089
it's weird, but i think that mustache actually fits her
>>66133089
Yes, very cute indeed. Even that cute little mark is just perfect.
>>66132958
I missed it. Is there a recording of it up anywhere?2
>>66133434
Maybe someone saved it on her Reddit page.
>>66133434
>>66133474
Couldn't find anything on reddit. I have some videos I recorded on my phone, but the quality isn't great and I have no way to convert them to webms at the moment.
>>66124764
>Grimes
Lel
>Do you have a favorite meme?
>I truly love Gangnam Style. I guess it's a meme. I feel like it's one of the few times where the meme and the quality combines nicely.
>If you became a meme like Ryan Gosling and Keanu Reeves —
>Keanu Reeves is a meme? I knew about Ryan Gosling.
>So if you became one would it be horrifying or flattering?
>Probably a bit of both. It's obviously funny to be a meme so I could be down with it in that regard but it also belittles one's art.
if only she knew she was already a meme. basically confirms that she's never browsed here, at least.
>>66134000
That article was from 3+ years ago tho
>>66124764
Absolutely perfect analogy because Bowie and Grimes are forced-eccentric pop musicians who aren't that great.
Grimes would have been way more popular and mainstream if the modern demographics of the United States were identical to the early 1970s.
>>66134110
she was definitely shitposted into a meme as far back as 2012.
>>66127136
>Don't forget about her Mississippi boat trip.
For the hundredth time:
>Nothing you’ve read about that story online is true. There was no Huck Finn crap: I was trying to live on a boat because I was interested in alternative ways of living, and I didn’t like paying rent. It’s legal to live on a boat as long as you use an anchor and aren’t tied to shore. I had a full boating license, the boat was insured and licensed, my friend was a mechanic, and everything was in full working condition. The police attacked us at five in the morning, smashed the windows and told us they didn’t give a shit about our safety. They were just going to fuck us over because they “Didn’t like the way we looked.” So no, I was not planning to sail to New Orleans, because I’m not an idiot. I’ve been operating heavy machinery, including boats, since I was five years old.
>>66134270
Yeah, but the trip still happened.
>>66134000
Pretty sure she knows waaaay more than you think.
https://web.archive.org/web/20150604003625/http://actuallygrimes.tumblr.com/post/44498493588/mu-sings-oblivion-by-bencjoker-i-dont-even
HOLY FUCK STOP CIRCLE-JERKING OVER THIS LITERAL TALENTLESS HACK
>>66134426
I doubt she ever even visited here. Just because she knows this place exists doesn't mean she visited.
>>66134321
'Trips' imply travel. It was a stationary pursuit.
>>66134445
Good. The more enraged you are, the better I feel. She's more talented than all your favorite artists combined. And by the way: stop listening to that shitty Kanye and Death Grips.
>>66134552
>implying i would ever willingly listen to kanye
death grips is okay but i got bored of them after no love
>>66125911
HOLY FUCK.
Claire has a better taste than anyone on this board: http://www.last.fm/user/chairmandore/library
>Not everyone can become a great artist, but a great artist can come from anywhere. It is difficult to imagine more humble origins than those of the genius now making music as Grimes, who is, in this critic’s opinion, nothing less than the finest musician in Canada. I will be returning to her live shows soon, hungry for more.
>>66134462
We are talking about the kind of person who uses the Internet/social media to conduct sociological experiments and studies the statistical results - for fun:
>"I’ve done these sociological tests where I try different hair colours. Blue and purple hair gets the most likes on Instagram. It’s almost double the likes that it is for blonde, brown or pink. I find it very interesting that you can directly measure what kind of visuals people respond to."
I guarantee you she knows what's up with this place.
unless you fags actually understand music theory, you have absolutely no right to be talking about who has musical talent. it's obvious that none of you know what you're talking about because nothing that grimes does requires any compositional talent whatsoever. it's literally just a matter of mindlessly arranging the same seven notes from one major scale
>>66134934
>because nothing that grimes does requires any compositional talent whatsoever. it's literally just a matter of mindlessly arranging the same seven notes from one major scale
Absolutely stupid opinion. Discarded.
>>66135022
oh my bad. SOMETIMES she uses a natural minor too if we're talking about a bridge or a song that's entirely in a minor key
Grimes exists
>>66135118
Why?
>>66135184
To annoy her haters and to inspire her fans with her heavenly music.
>>66135184
Mayonnaisee
>>66124911
look how disgusting her hand looks
>>66135118
>>66135184
>>66135288
I'm not surprised to see this in Grimes thread.
Why the fuck people are talking nonstop about Grimes?
>>66135445
summer
>>66135445
Because sh's really interesting.
>>66135469
It was before summer, since Visions came out
>>66135489
Both in terms of the sound of her music and the way she goes about making/presenting it.
>>66135507
there didn't used to be an active grimes general at any given point in time. there were still a lot of threads, but nothing this consistent. every other general on this board is dedicated to an entire genre of music, and they still run out of shit to talk about. it astounds me that a general based around one mediocre pop singer has been able to stay alive for so long
>>66135605
Maybe you're wrong and she's better than mediocre
>>66135605
Grimes is an entire genre of music - it's just being produced by a single person.
>>66135489
That makes sense.
>>66135675
or maybe these threads are entirely comprised of shitposts and people trying to justify their unhealthy obsession to haters like me
>>66135118
>>66135184
>>66135288
>>66135489
>>66135563
>>66135675
case in point
>>66134934
>>66135104
Implying anyone here is a musician and actually knows what you're talking about. Neo /mu/ is just terrible...
>>66135745
Your 'case in point' is 6 posts out of more than 308...
>>66135745
What if you have unhealthy obsession to hate Grimes? Imagine visiting daily a thread about an artist you hate just to shitpost. How is that normal?
>>66135758
If any of the white knights defending her were actually musicians, they would be ashamed of what they're saying - calling a mainstream pop star talented and actually comparing her to actual musicians.
>>66135104
>>66135758
This.
>>66135795
you're just a delusional misogyny
>>66135758
>Implying anyone here is a musician and actually knows what you're talking about. Neo /mu/ is just terrible...
>implying you must be a musician to talk about music
>implying you must be a politician to talk about politics
>implying you must be a game maker to talk about games
>implying you must be a actor to talk about films
>>66135871
Thanks for not refuting any of my claims. Do you even know what a major and a natural minor scales are?
>>66135871
>b-but she's a woman so she gets a musical handicap!
if anyone is a misogynist here it's you. and that's not even acknowledging the fact that you're desperately slinging out strawman arguments to cover the fact that you're wrong
>>66135739
Underrated post.
>>66135888
You can be at least informed about the subject you're talking about, even if it's not your profession. Nothing is stopping you from doing that. But hey, who actually has the time to take a critical look at the subjects they're discussing?
>>66135888
you don't have to be a musician to talk about music that you like subjectively. obviously that's a matter of opinion. the problem is that grimesfags are constantly trying to assert that she is an OBJECTIVELY talented musician when in reality they don't even understand what an objectively talented musician is. you can talk about her all you want. i don't care if you enjoy her music. just don't try to say that she's an objectively talented musician because that's extremely offensive to actually talented musicians
>>66124952
fucking this
I can't believe there are people shilling so hard for her, maybe its her
>>66135912
Yes
>>66135939
No a good bait
>>66136007
>dismissing a legitimate rebuttal as bait
once again trying to cover the fact that you're wrong
>>66135605
>it astounds me that a general based around one mediocre pop singer has been able to stay alive for so long
It astounds you because you're stupid. Grimes is not mediocre, she's not just a singer and she's not just pop.
She's a talented electronic singer/songwriter/lyricist/producer/sound engineer/visual artist/music video director.
>>66136007
And you can still objectively claim that she is talented and that her music is experimental and groundbreaking?
>>66136062
Here we go again: >66136063
>>66134914
are you insinuating that she is/at one point in time was preforming sociological tests on grimes threads in /mu/?
>>66136123
shes the one who probably makes all them
how crazy do you think aliens would think we are for caring this much about deliberately arranged sound?
that we'd post about it on our interconnected net of communications non-stop, even about a single artist? how ridiculous it must seem from an outsiders perspective. at least until they actually learn about queen, then they too would join the ranks of people posting non-stop about the one of the best artists of the decade!
>>66136078
None of it, I just like her music, is it something weird to like music even it's not groundbreaking?
>>66136123
No. But it wouldn't surprise me at all to learn that she was a lurker/poster on 4chan in general long before she decided to take up music as a profession. She seems the type.
>>66135989
>the problem is that grimesfags are constantly trying to assert that she is an OBJECTIVELY talented musician when in reality they don't even understand what an objectively talented musician is.
They never used the word OBJECTIVELY. You did it. The Grimes fans simply said that Grimes is a talented musician. And that is proved by the fact her music is liked by listeners and critics ==> her craft has value.
>just don't try to say that she's an objectively talented musician because that's extremely offensive to actually talented musicians
That's bullshit. Who are you to say that she isn't a objectively talented musician? Do you know what is talent? Explain how a girl that never studied music started making and producing music all by herself became so successful and appreciated. If that isn't talent, I don't know what it is.
Your dislike of her music has nothing to do with her talent. Got it?
>people still spend their time to talk about person they don't like
>>66136319
Weird isn't? At least they're good at bumping Grimes threads...
They seem deeply affected by her existence.
>>66136220
see i have absolutely no problem with this. you can like her music all you want. punk is one of my favorite genres, but i understand that it's extremely simplistic and easy to write and play. i don't go around trying to say that jonny ramone was a guitar god or anything like that. i just personally enjoy his music. i wish other grimesfags would understand this
>>66136319
>they can't stop talking about me
>>66136078
She is talented and that her music is experimental and groundbreaking. Deal with it.
>>66136398
(You)
>>66136378
I agree. Sadly, it's very rare for a person that's not a musician to think the way you do about music.
>>66136078
Halfaxa is pretty experimental
>>66136378
thread/
>>66136378
you fail to understand why grimes is a big deal
its not about breaking the boundaries of music. its not about being the best keyboard player, or the most prolific guitar player.
its about a single person being filled with such an innate skill and passion that they single handedly made themselves a pop star. they produced their music, engineered most of their discography, taught themselves everything they know and they only started when they were 22. and yet they've gone from a druggie fuckup to a world princess. ON THEIR OWN.
They made good art, art that means something and cuts deeply, relateable art, and they've done so in a unique and inspiring way. They didn't just pull themselves up by their bootstraps, they garroted life with them. And she did it all without sacrificing the fact that her music is nice to listen to. It doesn't suffer from it's experimental roots, and that means all the world when you consider she has zilch training in the way of making music. It's her intuition.
If you aren't impressed by that you can fuck right off because you are never going to understand the appeal of Grimes.
>>66136585
so what you're saying is that people love grimes for purely contextual and non-musical reasons. i'm not sure why we'er arguing, it seems like we're on the same page.
>>66136378
Except that Grimes makes layered music. Listen to Be a Body: don't fucking tell me anyone could such a song.
holy shit 344 replies DUDEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>66136378
Not that guy
I don't think that she is one of the best, but her music is enjoyable (except some of the live shows) even her first record which she made almost without skills i've listened more than once just because it sounds good
maybe it's kinda talent
>>66136725
>get a DAW
>record a melody in a major scale
>record a different melody in the same major scale on top of it
>repeat step 2 as many times as you like
bam! layerd music
>>66136716
>so what you're saying is that people love grimes for purely contextual and non-musical reasons
Only people who use foolish terms like "poptimist" can't appreciate Grimes' art on it's own because they are afraid they'll get outcasted by their friends for liking a sensually evocative sound.
It's fucking ridiculous. As though it takes away the fact of how complex her compositions are. For fucks sake I'm STILL finding small details in Art Angels.
Context simply transforms her art from a "This is really fucking good" to "Holy shit, this is a fucking masterpiece"
>>66136833
Do the same. See who gives about your music.
>>66136287
>And that is proved by the fact her music is liked by listeners and critics ==> her craft has value.
Justin Bieber's and Nicki Minaj's ''music'' is liked too, so does that make their ''music'' good?
>Explain how a girl that never studied music started making and producing music all by herself became so successful and appreciated. If that isn't talent, I don't know what it is.
There's a deeper underlying issue. People don't take a critical eye at the music they're presented with. Who cares if every popular ''musician'' nowadays is mediocre at best if millions of musically inept people like them?! Most ''musicians'' nowadays are nothing more than jukeboxes - their music can't be played live or if it can be, it always sounds the same and is therefore devoted of any emotion. Music doesn't have to be complex in order to be good. Most rock music follows a I-IV-V chord progression and there are great rock songs as well as great jazz songs, which are far more technically complex. Even though music doesn't have to be complex to have value, rock and jazz music for example is played by people that are great or groundbreaking at their respective instruments (not drum loop machines and samplers) - not mediocre. Not many people know and are willing to acknowledge that today's music is getting more and more mediocre and it's getting further and further away from what music should really be - an art form.
>>66136882
Honestly what Grimes didn't wasn't actually that hard.
She sucked, but she built a cult following on Montreal hipsters around the time when she released Lethe and most of her work was live. When she'd beg to be put on the bill and would play absolutely fucking awful shows that sounded like organ noise music.
This gave her a name which passively snowballed. Word traveled around of the gothy and mysterious Grimes who would show up and play her ukulele or keyboard and go home.
She'd seek out people who had bigger names than her and try to squeeze as much out of them as possible.
This got her a small Myspace following eventually, which was essential to the success of Geidi Primes. Geidi Primes paved the way for her name to be even bigger, she got payed for gigs and eventually used her new experience to make an album that wasn't just 100% samples with her singing into a shitty mic.
Halfaxa put her on a larger map in total and she was an underground darling. She went on a real tour and dropped an album with d'Eon who was bigger than her at the time. These combined lead up to the release of Visions which was finally when she broke out of the underground scene and reached farther than she'd ever done so before.
The rest is so well documented, I don't even think you need me to tell you. She barely needed to lift a finger at that point, she could tumble down the stream and her popularity would only grow.
>>66136909
>Justin Bieber's and Nicki Minaj's ''music'' is liked too, so does that make their ''music'' good?
Liked by fans but not by critics. Grimes has both.
And yes, their music is good to those that like it. Not for me or you, but for them. Subjectivity.
>>66137074
So basically what you're saying is she WORKED REALLY HARD to get where she is?
That doesn't sound difficult at all...
>>66137208
>Worked really hard
Working really hard is starting from nothing in an African country and building a corporate empire when all you had in the world is a corregated metal shack in the bumfuck of the wilderness.
Making friends and playing bad music for 3 years isn't hard. It was her only option.
>>66137208
do it, then
give me a shout-out when you get a pitchfork interview or something like that in 3 or 4 years
>>66137080
What's your response to more and more prevalent mediocrity in music nowadays? Should we just be like all other obedient human steeple and swallow it all, even though there's real talent out there?
>>66137208
I'm gonna do it
And I'm going to do it without a publicist, a manager and a label. I'm going to do it with nobody's help but the chinese children who built the equipment I use and the people who turn up to shows.
I'm going to show you what DIY looks like.
Grimes is great.
/thread
>>66137409
k dude, good luck
>>66137366
>What's your response to more and more prevalent mediocrity in music nowadays?
It's a lie. Mediocrity in music has always been the prevailing trend - hence the term middle.
>>66137409
>>66137431
Yeah totally - go for it!
>>66137409
somebody should make a version of this with claires and changed dates.
>>66137074
She worked hard to be that successful. You don't know what were her struggles.
>>66137409
The real question is - when it comes time to make that big awards acceptance speech - are you going to have the balls to admit that the whole thing was inspired by Grimes?
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