Did Progressive Rock really deserve the flak it received from contemporary critics in the 70s? Or was it just punk kids doing the equivalent of shitposting back then?
I dont get why trying to experiment and move away from the three chords progression is a bad thing.
Its not
I think prog rock functioned back then like metal does now, so in that context it's easier to see why it was hated.
Because it wasnt RAW and DANGEROUS enough for critics such as Christgau
>>66046013
>Did Progressive Rock really deserve the flak it received from contemporary critics in the 70s?
No.
>Or was it just punk kids doing the equivalent of shitposting back then?
Yes.
>>66046013
You seem to be confused in your history. Prog was the critics darling until Never Mind the Bollocks came along in '77 and shook the whole industry by the throat.
After that no one wanted 20 minute jams, double necked guitars and melodic drumming.
Anglo Prog outside of King Crimson doesn't get critical praise because It did not inspire anything worthwhile and didn't have enough rock influence.
This is kind of a shame because there are so many great prog albums that people will just pass over because critics have their heads up their asses with "muh influence" and "muh relatability".
>>66046080
>Yes
>Genesis
>UK
>ELP
>Camel
>Pink Floyd (when they were prog)
Nothing worthwhile.
Jesus fucking christ!
>>66046112
Not him but while Yes, Genesis, ELP, and Floyd are influential, please name one band UK or Camel have had a major influence on.
>>66046112
Nothing worthwhile indeed.
>>66046135
Camel are just fucking awesome. And yes I'm deliberately not contributing to the discussion, but I think a band doesn't have to be influential to be relevant. What happened to sheer uniqueness?
>>66046135
Camel influenced quite a few neo-prog/modern prog bands. None of them were particularly good, but the influence was still there.
>>66046135
Where in the previous posts does it require I provide proof of influence? He said Anglo Prog made nothing worthwhile besides KC.
I refuted that point, obviously.
>>66046201
I think you misunderstood. He said that Anglo Prog bands apart from KC didn't go on to inspire many other 'worthwhile' artists.
>>66046201
Guess im terrible at reading, time to sleep I suppose.
>>66046180
Yeah I think I can see that.
>>66046013
CAN YOU TELL ME WHERE MY COUNTRY LIES?
"But although the leftward tilt of my politics back then was permanent, and although I figured correctly that too many young artists were getting cheated, anti-commercialism was never my line. I liked hooks and hits and DJ patter; I liked Motown and bubblegum; I preferred The Who Sell Out to Tommy. And because I'd heard a lot of jazz, I was underwhelmed by the cult of the guitar solo. So I firmly believed that rock wasn't about musicianship. It was about concept and short-fast-songs-with-a-good-beat.
Only it turned out this wasn't exactly true, because while I lacked the technical savvy to break it down, I liked musicianship fine. Almost everyone who's attracted to music does, even if they cream for punk naïfs and cheap guitars like me. In fact, musicianship often matters in what seem to be the crudest settings. If you don't believe me, ask some professors: SUNY Albany musicologist Albin Zak on the jazz pros who swung the Crows' "stiff, downbeat-heavy" "Gee," or Long Ryders bassist turned Ohio State theoretician Barry Shank explaining how the Velvet Underground's simplistic rock jelled around John Cale's La Monte Young-schooled proficiency at sustaining a drone.
So of course I love the music of what we'll call rock and roll, which remains the best catchall I know for all the beat-driven popular music of the past 60 years, from Chuck Berry to EDM. I love its profusion of individually distinct grooves and individually vernacular voices, I love its catchy licks and hooks of every description. I love its many lyrics--popular song is our great treasure-house of plain-spoken concision and wit. I even love some guitar solos. Moreover, I recognize that no matter how simple they seem, all these attractions are often undergirded by unheralded sleights of harmonic legerdemain as well as unpaid hours of practice practice practice."
>>66046390
mmmuh art rock
>>66046390
>this guy actually thought Chic - Le Freak was better than The Wall
>>66046328
CRIED THE UNIFORM TO HIS TRUE LOVE'S EYES.
>>66046478
What would you rather listen to? A fun, snappy, well-crafted dance tune or a bunch of British socialist whining.
>>66046478
The Wall is literally everything wrong with prog, and on top of that the song writing is dull as hell.
